Is Toyota's "Starter Track Car" More Than A Pretty Face? Yes. | 2022 GR86

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  • @Mgoblagulkablong
    @Mgoblagulkablong 3 роки тому +97

    How well this sells will decide the future availability of affordable sports cars.

    • @WhatisaLee
      @WhatisaLee 3 роки тому +14

      Sports cars like this--affordable or otherwise--has no future regardless of their financial success. I'll cherish my 86 until it dies knowing that our time with it and others like it will soon pass.

    • @4ft3rburn3r
      @4ft3rburn3r 3 роки тому +14

      This car will be the last of its breed regardless of how well it sells.

    • @TheLivedeath
      @TheLivedeath 3 роки тому +16

      I think Mazda will continue to sell the Miata. It's too much of an iconic car for them.

    • @jamesvelvet3612
      @jamesvelvet3612 3 роки тому +3

      @@TheLivedeath I think Mazda will be out of the car business in North America within a decade.

    • @4ft3rburn3r
      @4ft3rburn3r 3 роки тому +8

      @@TheLivedeath I doubt there will be another Miata. If you recall, Mazda needed funding from Fiat to build the current Miata. I don't think Mazda will be able to get funding for the next Miata as there is not much profit in the sports car segment.

  • @treads2595
    @treads2595 3 роки тому +34

    I love how committed Alex is to the truck space test. How hard it must have been to lay down through that end!

  • @hereigoagain5050
    @hereigoagain5050 3 роки тому +31

    A Porsche Cayman for the working class bloke. I like it! Save on speeding tickets and still have some fun.

    • @michaelsmith9308
      @michaelsmith9308 3 роки тому +2

      When i test drove the previous model it seemed like i was doing 65 MPH, then i looked and it was 40..haha

  • @juanfangio8418
    @juanfangio8418 3 роки тому +52

    This review offers the most detailed, insightful review of all interior features now on UA-cam. In particular, a reasonable assessment of rear seat advantages.

    • @joec1774
      @joec1774 3 роки тому +1

      Also, perspective on the Toyota-Subaru alliance and the benefits it has yielded. E.g., the existence of this vehicle.

    • @joeyt8643
      @joeyt8643 3 роки тому

      Agreed, I've done the Home Depot run in my BRZ many times. It really is nice to have.

  • @Notadrianmonroy
    @Notadrianmonroy 3 роки тому +15

    Alex on Autos and Savage Geese are my 2 favorite reviewers. Great job, Mate. 🤙👍

    • @vitor2650
      @vitor2650 3 роки тому +3

      Did you see Jason in Engineering Explained’s review? Tremendous.

    • @vitor2650
      @vitor2650 3 роки тому

      Check out this review. ua-cam.com/video/QaR843im04A/v-deo.html

    • @benedictdonald4338
      @benedictdonald4338 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed. They’re absolutely the best out there right now.

    • @Notadrianmonroy
      @Notadrianmonroy 2 роки тому

      @@vitor2650 I do!! He’s great too

  • @joec1774
    @joec1774 3 роки тому +14

    The FR-S debuted as a 2012 MY. A little misleading to say it dates back to 2007 when at most, it was a concept exercise called the FT-HS.

    • @Caribeno787
      @Caribeno787 3 роки тому +4

      I was like, there’s no way the FR-S came out in 2007

    • @RDKelly12
      @RDKelly12 2 роки тому

      Actually I'm pretty sure the first MY was 2013 at least in the states

    • @joec1774
      @joec1774 2 роки тому +1

      @@RDKelly12 - you're correct. my point remains, though.

  • @lambodp
    @lambodp 3 роки тому +10

    Didn't realize how much slower the last generation was. I swore it was closer to 6 seconds. New car looks good and glad they kept it around for another refresh.

    • @Barbwire710
      @Barbwire710 2 роки тому +1

      You actually can get a 6.0-6.1 sec 0-60 on the stock 2017+ Manuals if you do a high Rev, perfect clutch dump. There’s a video of it on the Topher’s channel.

    • @jansonb482
      @jansonb482 2 роки тому

      @@Barbwire710 so the new one is like 5secs, that's not bad at all.
      I love these cars :)

    • @Barbwire710
      @Barbwire710 2 роки тому +2

      @@jansonb482 close! Jason C. from Hagerty got a 5.6 sec 0-60 on the base GR86. Most people will probably be in the six second range unless they’re really beating on it though..

  • @geohubert1195
    @geohubert1195 3 роки тому +20

    Simplicity done Japanese style.. newish Celica of 2021

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 3 роки тому +7

    i want an affordable porsche so now i want this. Toyota GR86 for fun, Honda Civic Si for the missus

  • @borisdemelo
    @borisdemelo 3 роки тому +14

    5:20 No one really seems to complain about the Subaru-Toyota alliance. I think it might be because they’re both Japanese companies whereas BMW has a perception of high maintenance requirements that goes against what Toyota fans like about Toyota.

    • @ImtheIC
      @ImtheIC 2 роки тому +2

      Subaru is affiliated company of Toyota

    • @WhereBrentWent
      @WhereBrentWent 2 роки тому +1

      Well said!

  • @stephenhendricks103
    @stephenhendricks103 3 роки тому +7

    Very, very impressive update to an already excellent sports car. For those who believe the British invented the sports car, who feel the Austin Healey 3000 still ranks as one of the most beautiful automobiles ever made, and know that a turbocharged engine is not only not needed but is not even desirable, the GR86 gives the magnificent Mazda MX-5 a run for the money and has the significant advantage of a back seat that can accommodate a small child or a big dog.
    However, while I realize that fuel economy is barely more important than cargo capacity in a vehicle like the GR 86, the reported fuel efficiency is not only atrocious, it's puzzling. At 19/26/21 it's approximately the same as my KIA Sorento with a naturally aspirated V6, the aerodynamic shape of a brick, and a weight disadvantage of about 1200 lbs. My GTI that weighs the equivalent of an NFL lineman more than the GR 86 with approximately the same performance numbers routinely turns in well over 30 mpg on the highway and around 26 mpg in town. According to the EPA a MT Mazda MX-5 provides 26/34/29 mpg. The only comparable sports car I can recall with worse mileage was my Mazda RX-8 that struggled to yield 20 mpg on the highway and about 18 mg overall. But the Mazda had the excuse of having a notoriously thirsty rotary engine.
    As I said, it's puzzling. Could the gearing of the GR 86's manual transmission make such a significant difference in efficiency? Inquiring minds want to know.

    • @effa114
      @effa114 3 роки тому +1

      Gearing is absolutely going to be the reason.

    • @DeletedDenizen
      @DeletedDenizen 3 роки тому +2

      To me it really shows that they didn't engineer it to pass the standard test, but for the performance 🙌

    • @Chilicharger665
      @Chilicharger665 3 роки тому

      @@effa114 They actually moved the rear gear back down to 4.1 from the 4.3 in the 2017+ model. The mpg drop, besides the bigger engine, makes no sense.

  • @fearlessknight1343
    @fearlessknight1343 3 роки тому +3

    The more reviews I see on the red and black trim, the more I'm liking it. But the '22 BRZ smiling front end has me at a tie..Ahhh! Either one, it'll be my first sport manual! Excited :) Thanks for the detailed review Alex!

  • @alexortiz8216
    @alexortiz8216 3 роки тому +3

    I have to say, they’ve hit the ball out of the park with this one. I absolutely am liking everything this car has to offer. Only downside is the MPG. Although it’s understandable why it has the numbers it’s received, I sure would not mind if Toyota/Subaru were to eventually make a 86/BRZ with a turbo to serve the community looking for solely more power without having to opt for a Supra. And perhaps with that, we would attain more generous MPG numbers. My 2¢.

  • @angusp5515
    @angusp5515 3 роки тому +9

    Thats a big difference in mpg between the Auto and manual

    • @michaelsmith9308
      @michaelsmith9308 3 роки тому

      Tottally AGREE, however, i understand its because the manual is geared to RACE standards:) 0-6= 6 , not bad, however, it REALLY should have been 0 - 60 = 5 :):) Yes, i know a simple tune will bring this to 5 add a stage 3 and 0-60 = 3.5 with a supercharger:):):) and $9500.00:(

    • @angusp5515
      @angusp5515 3 роки тому

      @@michaelsmith9308 what type of tune can bring it to 5?

  • @A_guan
    @A_guan 3 роки тому +10

    I can't believe the take rate on the automatic is so high on a car like this

    • @KTH96
      @KTH96 3 роки тому +1

      For some reason, Toyota made the manual more expensive than the auto.

    • @iDanceWithNoPants
      @iDanceWithNoPants 3 роки тому

      Supply is also a thing. Was shopping for one in 2019 and I couldn’t find a base model that was manual. Seemed like manuals were reserved for the TRD version which was a decent amount more than base.

    • @Forke13
      @Forke13 2 роки тому

      Because it isn't

    • @RDKelly12
      @RDKelly12 2 роки тому

      @@KTH96 it's the opposite actually, the automatic is $1,500 more expensive than the manual

  • @colt2206
    @colt2206 Рік тому

    Yes I need a good drift car when I go thru the drive thru and my boss loves to see me drifting into the parking lot at work. 😂

  • @Deamon93IT
    @Deamon93IT 3 роки тому +6

    As a Euro who is going to move States side seeing another manual is music to my ears (plus the sound from that boxer is good)

  • @bikebudha01
    @bikebudha01 2 роки тому +1

    "you have to rev the nuts off of it"... where can I buy that t-shirt???

  • @Twinguin
    @Twinguin 3 роки тому +7

    Had a GT86 for a couple of years and loved it. I am glad they kept it NA. About your comparison to the Mustang: the Mustang has one big advantage: it comes as convertible :-). Good review, thanks.

    • @cadsux
      @cadsux 3 роки тому +3

      Having owned a Mustang GT and driven an 86, I'd say the Mustang's advantage is also a more compliant ride, more front seat room, truck space & options. The 86's advantage is agility, tighter turning circle, easier to park, better rear seat room. With the first gen 86, I would also say MPG, but with this 2022 model, the MPG is about the same as the V8 Mustang!

  • @colt2206
    @colt2206 Рік тому

    I want a top of the line race car for my drive to work. Those fractions of seconds come in really handy driving to work 😂

  • @colt2206
    @colt2206 Рік тому

    Yes helmet clearance is a big concern to me when I go to get a coffee

  • @colt2206
    @colt2206 Рік тому

    My dealership thought it was cool when I told them I was going to use it primarily as a drift car and track car. They said sure warranty is perfectly good for that

  • @GCWieser
    @GCWieser 3 роки тому +1

    I wish more manufacturers iterated over their cars like this. Looks like they tweaked all the right areas from the prior model. Excited for the Subaru review.

  • @Tinrs80
    @Tinrs80 3 роки тому +5

    You were right...alot of Whining cause of companies working on a vehicle together. grief! Such whining

  • @ivanaceves3089
    @ivanaceves3089 2 роки тому

    Hahahaha I’m pretty sure some one passed by him while he was laying in the back and just like “wth is that dude doing” 😂😂😂

  • @JohnnyErnestoCampino
    @JohnnyErnestoCampino 3 роки тому +2

    Humidity wrecked Alex's hair.
    PS: great review.

  • @rightlanehog3151
    @rightlanehog3151 3 роки тому +9

    Alex, If Toyota can sell a Subaru why won't Subaru sell Toyotas? A re-badged, 50 mpg, AWD Corolla wagon sold as an Outback Junior® would be an excellent fit in a Subaru showroom.

    • @sonic_genesis
      @sonic_genesis 3 роки тому +1

      Toyota helping Subaru build this sport car. That’s their unique perk.
      All of subaru cars are AWD with the exception of the BRZ. Toyota don’t have AWD like subaru. So rebadging is less likely

    • @cadsux
      @cadsux 3 роки тому +1

      @@sonic_genesis It's Subaru helping Toyota build this. Back in 2008, Toyota asked for Subaru's help to develop the FT-86 concepts which originally had a V6 hybrid or turbo boxer on a WRX chassis. Furthermore, these are all built at Subaru's Gunma plant. How is rebadging unlikely, when Subaru initially refused to help Toyota, because this was not an AWD rally car, ended up helping Toyota realize this? Exceptions can work both ways.

  • @petermccann2561
    @petermccann2561 2 роки тому +2

    Most of the track guys I know would consider a $5K (all in) NA Miata a "starter track car", but you probably need some actual track experience to reach that conclusion: Don't track anything you can't afford to walk away from (or pay for expensive track insurance, on top of tires/brakes/gate fees, etc.). regular track beatings on a brand new car is generally considered more of a newb/wealthy person thing...though I have tracked newer cars on occasion.

    • @frxstyking5912
      @frxstyking5912 2 роки тому

      Great info. Fr I’d like to know more cuz I can see ur POV

  • @groberts1780
    @groberts1780 3 роки тому +4

    Only thing I want to know: who makes the head gasket?

    • @Bludersbunch
      @Bludersbunch 3 роки тому +2

      GDI subarus don't have head gasket problems.

  • @adhithyasodhi3203
    @adhithyasodhi3203 2 роки тому

    We can all thank Akio Toyoda for great machines like this that are so much more engaging than the current sea of mobile appliances from most other manufacturers

  • @anydaynow01
    @anydaynow01 3 роки тому +2

    Maybe we can get another 3000GT, when Mitsubishi puts a body kit and a tri-diamond on a GTR.

  • @zinny999
    @zinny999 2 роки тому

    I like the camera angle with front and gear shift.. this way we know what gear selection in the type of corner this car is being pushed in.

  • @bmanz8117
    @bmanz8117 2 роки тому

    I absolutely love my GR 86. went with the classic steel color. I switch from Mt Mustangs over to this vehicle. why, fell in love with the body style, handling capability which is awesome. Get in one a drive it, you won't regret it. Amazing how quick for only 228 hp. The vehicle weight allows for the car to perform well at 228 hp. Not much to forgive on the GR 86 making this vehicle a pleasure to own and drive. My car turns heads all the time. I went with base, like the wheels better, less to spend on the tire. The GR 86 drives great on the 17s, also like the look of the base spoiler wing better, finding it not over the top. If Toyota gets this car to produce 250 hp, it will truly be a vehicle to be reckoned with. I went with the automatic and very happy with it. The difference in 0 to 60 isn't enough to make the manual worth it, besides most can't drive, shift quick and correctly to get that 6 second mark.

    • @tone3560
      @tone3560 Рік тому

      What year mustang mt did you switch from? I was cross shopping s550's

    • @bmanz8117
      @bmanz8117 Рік тому

      @@tone3560 2017

  • @mickeyhartsell6096
    @mickeyhartsell6096 3 роки тому +1

    I love it ! Looks almost as good as the Honda S2000.

  • @mikepollastrelli7725
    @mikepollastrelli7725 3 роки тому +1

    I never say this but white looks the best on the GR86. Red being a close second. Anyone else agree?

    • @jansonb482
      @jansonb482 2 роки тому +1

      Same for me!
      I also like baby blue somehow
      If the white is a clean white and not a cream white, I would get this car in white.

  • @Affalterbach1967
    @Affalterbach1967 3 роки тому +1

    5:04. If there are going to be computerized safety enhancements I want something more like overtake assist for two-lane roads, or drift modulation so I don't spin out.

  • @Tinrs80
    @Tinrs80 3 роки тому +3

    Weird old school Graphics for the Gauges. hmm

  • @MT-vi6vb
    @MT-vi6vb 3 роки тому +7

    All things being equal, is a boxer engine thirstier than an inline? 21mpg combined seems bad for a 4-cylinder, even with the aggressive gearing ratios. I'm an FRS owner and I love the manual, but... 19 in the city is hard to accept. Great video Alex :)

    • @james2042
      @james2042 3 роки тому

      What car are you comparing this to for the fuel economy?

    • @cadsux
      @cadsux 3 роки тому

      @@james2042 Uh, how about his own 1st gen 2012-2016 FRS? That got 25/34 mpg, 28 combined
      How about the the 2021 86? That gets 21/28/24 combined with the manual, and 24/32/27 with the automatic.
      How about the current Mustang GT with the V8? That gets 15/24, 18 combined.

    • @james2042
      @james2042 3 роки тому +3

      @@cadsux 24 mpg on the prior gen manual to 21 mpg on the current gen manual (which is a 13% decrease in fuel economy) doesn't seem too bad of a tradeoff for 20% increased displacement, 20% increase in torque (and getting that torque lower) and more aggressive gearing. The auto loses 14.5% fuel economy and doesn't have the more aggressive gearing, but that 6 speed auto isn't known for being super efficient.

    • @MT-vi6vb
      @MT-vi6vb 3 роки тому

      @@james2042 True true... so boxer engines aren't inherently thirstier? I knew that a larger engine with more aggressive gearing would result in some losses, but I didn't necessarily think it would be directly proportional to the increased displacement, considering some 5.7L V8s out there get city mpg only 2-3 mpg lower than the new 86, but that's more than 2x the displacement... though perhaps those larger engines also employ cylinder deactivation.
      More apt comparison: last-gen Civic Si had a 2.4L I4 with a manual, and made 22mpg city. So is it down to the gearing, or does the architecture also play a role?

    • @james2042
      @james2042 3 роки тому +1

      @@MT-vi6vb the hemi gets 15 city, do not let them lie to you with etorque. My hemi gets 13 city, but its a first gen one from 08.
      As for actual comparisons, this engine was actually designed to be turbocharged and then modified to be naturally aspirated. So there's probably some fuel saving tech it's lacking that wouldn't play nice with a turbo. Also this engine makes a lot more low end torque than expected which means it probably breathes a lot at low rpm which means it needs more fuel at low end rpm to burn all the O2. Remember Toyota modified this engine with a focus on good torque and much higher rpm.
      For reference a 2019 subaru legacy with the 2.5 got 25 city and with a 3.6 v6 got 20 city. I know that's partially due to the cvt but that also goes to show subarus engines can be more efficient when designed to be

  • @Ill06Taco
    @Ill06Taco 3 роки тому +2

    EPA MPG estimates can be off. I average 33mpg and have got up to 38mpg with my manual trans 17 BRZ, without trying too hard.

    • @wayward03
      @wayward03 2 роки тому

      Saw a video of a guy driving one from Corvallis back to Cali and was getting 28 in a manual.
      Guessing it'll be less than the older version but less fake than say all the suvs and trucks claiming 22 and getting 17

  • @SnoopysVet
    @SnoopysVet Рік тому

    I am six foot one and easily fit, also most are sold as manuals

  • @ttinnovations3310
    @ttinnovations3310 3 роки тому +1

    Nice !!! ahhh another cool car coming out in 2022, wish I could buy all of them

  • @Jaylyons1
    @Jaylyons1 2 роки тому

    I’m amazed at the sheer amount of fade information in this video. The quality, design, and delivery is fantastic, but there are simply too many pieces of misinformation.

  • @LucklessGun
    @LucklessGun 3 роки тому

    I wish they had done something g about rear seat headroom. No idea what that even could be, but it would be nice.

  • @mpa350z
    @mpa350z 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the trunk space test, subscribed!

  • @rightlanehog3151
    @rightlanehog3151 3 роки тому +6

    Alex, When this 86 had its debut there was no such thing as a GR Yaris. Toyota has now clearly demonstrated what it can do all by itself when it makes performance a priority.

    • @dylanhale7300
      @dylanhale7300 3 роки тому +1

      Doesn't matter if they won't sell it to us.

    • @brodiwheeler7583
      @brodiwheeler7583 3 роки тому

      The driveline development will show up in the US in a GR Corolla.

    • @smilepermile8165
      @smilepermile8165 3 роки тому

      @@dylanhale7300 Count yourself lucky when you get to have the Lexus IS500 V8 and the Nissan Z unlike us in the UK

    • @Chilicharger665
      @Chilicharger665 3 роки тому +1

      @@brodiwheeler7583 yeah, but the Corolla body will add a chunk of weight, which kills the whole point of the "GR" in the first place.

    • @brodiwheeler7583
      @brodiwheeler7583 3 роки тому +1

      @@Chilicharger665 Tonight... sorry I had to. You’re not wrong, but still will be one of the best offerings in it’s segment (would buy that over another WRX in a heartbeat) and a lot cooler than a regular Corolla Hatch. I would love to see Toyota part ways with Mazda on the Mazda 2 Yaris here in North America and bring the global Yaris to the US too.

  • @MrMegatron85
    @MrMegatron85 2 роки тому

    had zero interest in the first gen, but this one is freaking gorgeous

  • @badboy-gn8fu
    @badboy-gn8fu 2 роки тому

    the 86 is a beautiful car my 2014 FRS still getting compliments to this day. imo the 86 will be a collectable car in the future. i fear toyota will discontinue the 86

    • @jansonb482
      @jansonb482 2 роки тому +1

      I feel like this will be the last generation of 86 :(

  • @cadsux
    @cadsux 3 роки тому +3

    Personally, I don't mind automaker partnerships, such as Mazda & Fiat for the Miata/124 Spyder. Heck, Ford and GM developed that 10 speed automatic. However, I do wonder how Toyota, who has the 2nd, 3rd, & 4th bestselling vehicles in America, can sometimes act so stingy & stodgy, while Ford can solely & continue to invest in the Mustang, and offer so many options to customers.

  • @Clodrock
    @Clodrock 3 роки тому

    The animated cylinders aren't accurate. Lol. Great video. Very informative.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider Рік тому +1

    0:32 2007? Is that the year of the concept car?

  • @alex310110
    @alex310110 2 роки тому

    I just rented a GR86 today. I found the multifunction LCD control buttons on the right side of the steering wheel is controlling the LCD on the left of the dashboard; and the buttons on the left side of the steering wheel is controlling the media on the Head Unit which is to your right. I find this counterintuitive design bugging me like crazy...

    • @alex310110
      @alex310110 2 роки тому

      @gym princess Hi there, I used special side mirror adjustments (no overlapping among mirrors) so that I don't find blind spot on lanes next to me. I still need to watch out for 2 cars merging into same lane at same time though.

    • @alex310110
      @alex310110 2 роки тому

      @gym princess No problem at all! Good luck hunting your car purchase. :)

  • @aliendroneservices6621
    @aliendroneservices6621 3 роки тому +1

    6:59 "And, I'm only six feet tall." Nice stature flex, Alex.

  • @tjs114
    @tjs114 3 роки тому +3

    I would be interested to see if there is an insurance rate difference between the Toyota version and the Subaru one. I know there is a rather large one between the BMW z4 and Toyota Supra.

    • @vitor2650
      @vitor2650 3 роки тому

      The BRZ insurance is higher because Subaru drivers are inclined to take them off road.

  • @peterpabian
    @peterpabian 3 роки тому +1

    It's so good looking. Imagine if it looked like a Camry or Prius shhhhheeeeeeeee

    • @markday5797
      @markday5797 3 роки тому

      I sure don't want to imagine that. OR the new GTI that front end worst ever.

  • @pixelking_871
    @pixelking_871 3 роки тому +2

    I appreciate all these sports cars along with the boxy Bronco 2021

  • @2010ngojo
    @2010ngojo 2 роки тому

    Much prefer the look of the gt86 vs the Subaru variant. If I have to get either of the two, it would be this version.

  • @colt2206
    @colt2206 Рік тому

    Well considering if I get one it will definitely be from Subaru dealership as I am a Forester Wilderness owner I definitely won’t be racing it or going on a track. I might however sprint to the coffee place or grocery store 😂

  • @diamondrmp
    @diamondrmp 2 роки тому

    Those rear taillights looks like the came off a Civic.

  • @SilverScarletSpider
    @SilverScarletSpider 3 роки тому +1

    honestly, the going to the trsck segments are not too important

  • @spadecheck8874
    @spadecheck8874 2 роки тому

    Calling my Dealer soon!

  • @anthonytriana4209
    @anthonytriana4209 3 роки тому +2

    Could the faux engine sound be omitted or disabled?

    • @anydaynow01
      @anydaynow01 3 роки тому

      Hopefully the wires going to the speaker are easy to get to.

  • @joshuazavala2311
    @joshuazavala2311 2 роки тому

    I am having trouble deciding which transmission to get. I have never driven a manual before but I would love to learn especially in this car ! Should I stick to the auto or save the money and become a manual purist. thoughts anyone ??

  • @micho_3715
    @micho_3715 3 роки тому

    It’s okay all I need is the downhill where power doesn’t matter. Let’s see how fast I can deliver my tofu orders.

  • @chadbaptiste4227
    @chadbaptiste4227 3 роки тому

    Your legs sticking out of the boot would've been the perfect YT thumbnail

  • @leom00n79
    @leom00n79 2 роки тому

    When are you testing and give score to GR86 Automatic

  • @Mgoblagulkablong
    @Mgoblagulkablong 3 роки тому +5

    Happy Hachi-Roku Day! First Alex, then Savagegeese :)

    • @Noukz37
      @Noukz37 3 роки тому

      You don't follow TheTopher?! :'-(

    • @Mgoblagulkablong
      @Mgoblagulkablong 3 роки тому +1

      @@Noukz37 If I had listed everyone the post would have gotten far too long ;) My whole youtube page was just 86 videos lol

    • @sonic_genesis
      @sonic_genesis 3 роки тому

      Savage Geezer lmao

    • @Noukz37
      @Noukz37 3 роки тому +1

      @@Mgoblagulkablong Haha true dat XD

  • @dachanist
    @dachanist 3 роки тому

    The real manual trans 0-60 improvement is likely closer to 1/2 second better since the 2013-16 was faster to 60 with the 4.1 final drive. The 2017-2021 had a 4.3 fd that required a shift to 3rd to get there. The GR86 adjusted gears allow the retention of the 4.3 fd but get to 60mph at the top of 2nd gear. It should be noted that the 2013 FRS 0-60 of 6.2s followed the 1 foot roll out convention while the claimed 0-60 for the GR86 is only 0.1s quicker at 6.1s (rollout convention unknown) though real world demonstrations regularly show 6.5ish actual for the gen1 FRS. Since the 2.4 is just a bored out FA20, I'm curious if the red aluminum intake will fit as Toyota claimed it flowed better than the plastic one and provided and extra 5hp up top. So far there has been no mention of a new exhaust... So I also wonder if the old ft86 catted ones will fit, maybe providing another 10% bump up top. At that point, the header, intake and tune route would finally be around 250crank (depending on air temps and gas quality) on 91/93 NA and carb legal. Note to owners that the recommended gas is 93 octane, so using 91 will increase the likelihood of pulling timing in the summer. Personally as a several year 12a and 13b Wankel driver and current FA20 owner, the necessity to rev the nuts off a car is not a big deal for me, but torque is nice to have. Shout out to your low key left foot braking skills in the chicane at 16:30.

    • @Chilicharger665
      @Chilicharger665 3 роки тому

      No, the rear gear is back down to a 4.1. They got rid of the 4.3 from the 2017+ models.

    • @falkin42
      @falkin42 2 роки тому

      Thank you for useful insight. Most of these comments are not about driving or modding which are the only two real points of this car.

  • @kevinW826
    @kevinW826 3 роки тому +2

    I would consider this for myself as my wife has the suv and I currently have a mazda3 hatchback. I will wait a couple of years to see reliability and maybe look for a gently used one.

    • @hondaftw1234
      @hondaftw1234 3 роки тому +5

      Please buy new so we might see a 3rd generation.

    • @kevinW826
      @kevinW826 3 роки тому

      @@hondaftw1234 no. Unfortunately Toyota didn’t sell them under the Toyota name up here in Canada, only Scion and Subaru. I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.

    • @smilepermile8165
      @smilepermile8165 3 роки тому +4

      @@kevinW826 Have you seen the GR 86 videos by 'TheStraightPipes' and 'Throttle House'? They're based in Canada so its bound to be sold there. And I agree with Ethan, if we really want companies like Toyota and Mazda to continue developing affordable sportscars like these, we have to buy them brand new, regardless of the depreciation hit.

    • @kevinW826
      @kevinW826 3 роки тому

      @@smilepermile8165 I was talking about the first one. And when Toyota killed scion they never put them under the Toyota name.
      As for buying them new, no thanks. I won’t do that again, having a depreciating asset and a loan that is more than the vehicle is worth. I have found a couple of scion FRS, 2014/15 with 100,000 kms for $15,000.
      That’s my price range. I don’t care if buying new props up the small car segment, I’m not doing that again. Unless I lease.

    • @smilepermile8165
      @smilepermile8165 3 роки тому +5

      @@kevinW826 I was responding to your comment about 'I haven’t seen anything on Toyota Canada’s website about the new one.'. And FYI, you're the reason why sportscars don't sell, and you're the reason why the roads are filled with boring SUVs and EVs in grey, black and white. All for saving that short term money.

  • @hukmai
    @hukmai 3 роки тому

    This do be looking like a model 3 with an open mouth and NSX rear

  • @leom00n79
    @leom00n79 2 роки тому

    Where are the official scores Alex????

  • @Buxtonphil
    @Buxtonphil 2 роки тому

    Can we unplug the fake audio module?

  • @aeronYTco
    @aeronYTco 3 роки тому +1

    Is it practical enough to daily drive the GR 86?

  • @LearnAboutFlow
    @LearnAboutFlow 3 роки тому +4

    I still can't believe with a car of this nature 70% of buyers still choose an automatic. Hopefully they don't ultimately kill the manual.

  • @saulespino2510
    @saulespino2510 2 роки тому

    Dual exhaust tips not dual exhaust, know the difference please.

  • @blueryxfalls7949
    @blueryxfalls7949 3 роки тому +1

    I don't have any problem with the subaru/toyota alliance

  • @damilolaakanni
    @damilolaakanni 3 роки тому

    5:16 this!

  • @wbwayne8887
    @wbwayne8887 3 роки тому

    Love this new GR86/BRZ. The changes have brought it more close to perfect than ever before. As the father of 3, with 2 close to leaving on their own, I am looking forward to another Sporty/Sports Coupe, especially with a manual.

  • @edysinsimon8646
    @edysinsimon8646 3 роки тому

    I'm a big fan of any 2 door coupes what are priced for the average person! @ 6'4" tall I would not by buying/leasing this vehicle. But still...It is a 2 door coupe.

    • @DeletedDenizen
      @DeletedDenizen 3 роки тому

      There's a video of a reviewer elsewhere that has a 6"3 driver with a helmet driving a couple laps no problem; who knows 🧐

  • @Hallowsaw
    @Hallowsaw 3 роки тому

    Looks like a supra, tiburon and a porsche had a baby together

  • @malifestro3319
    @malifestro3319 3 роки тому +1

    The bonkers thing to me is the MPG. I had a 2016 Ford Edge Sport that I got 18 City 26 HWY. It weighed as much as a tank and had a twin turbo 2.7 v6 in it.

    • @cadsux
      @cadsux 3 роки тому +1

      I did too.4400 lbs! It weighed more than a minivan, but it can sure fly. I also had a 2015 Mustang GT, and that got 19 city and as much as 25 hwy. Sometimes I wonder, when one has 3 to 4 times the horsepower of a Prius, why doesn't the Prius have 3 to 4 times the MPG?

  • @TrojanRabbit521
    @TrojanRabbit521 2 роки тому

    Love the car but please don’t call it a babies trainer car. I’m about to trade in my Guilia Ti for the BRZ. The Guilia doesn’t have a 3rd pedal & for those of us with self control issues too fast. To enjoy the speed I risk my license all the time. So I want the balance but to be enjoyable somewhat within the speed limits. Can’t wait for my BRZ to arrive.

    • @frxstyking5912
      @frxstyking5912 2 роки тому

      Daaamn brz is nice Fs! I might get the gr86 tho I’m having so many arguments in my head abt what car to buy in tht price range 😓

    • @TrojanRabbit521
      @TrojanRabbit521 2 роки тому

      @@frxstyking5912 since I’m looking for predictable behavior I went Subie but if you want more tail happy go 86. Outside that it’s a Subaru engine & trans built in Subaru factory if that matters to you.

  • @labjujube
    @labjujube 3 роки тому

    hope not too much dealer adjustment is required for this car….

  • @cpl8168
    @cpl8168 2 роки тому

    They have a pair of gas struts for the trunk, but a prop rod for the hood! smh

  • @bmshaven
    @bmshaven 3 роки тому +1

    Hands down best car reviewer out there.

  • @aballz622
    @aballz622 3 роки тому

    Lol "rev the nuts off of it"

  • @Hoodean
    @Hoodean 3 роки тому

    Z4 has existed forever on its own, doesnt need toyota money to keep existing. But the Supra needed the Z4 100%.

  • @andrewwang3900
    @andrewwang3900 3 роки тому

    Who makes the 6 speed automatic transmission? Toyota?

  • @bluezklewz8351
    @bluezklewz8351 3 роки тому

    When is the 2022 Honda Civic review dropping???

  • @bird718
    @bird718 3 роки тому

    this brings up the interesting question of who is king of the small (budget) hill?

    • @LearnAboutFlow
      @LearnAboutFlow 3 роки тому

      I'd say the Veloster N but its new price is like $2K to $4K higher. The upcoming Honda Civic Si might be the winner because it will be priced roughly the same but much more practical in every way. Not that the GR isn't insanely awesome, it's just more limited in usability like a Miata.

    • @bird718
      @bird718 3 роки тому

      @@LearnAboutFlow
      forgot the Veloster N existed....

  • @Fuwa_san
    @Fuwa_san 3 роки тому

    Great look

  • @codyepperson6796
    @codyepperson6796 2 роки тому

    Seat 4?

  • @ModestMonkey
    @ModestMonkey 2 роки тому

    The first FR-S did not debut until 2012 for the 2013 model year, and I believe Toyota's FT-86 concept wasn't even unveiled until 2010. Not sure where you got 2007 from, but it kinda breaks some credibility for those watching that are familiar with the car especially when you said that so early on in the video

  • @jameslatief1
    @jameslatief1 3 роки тому

    Can someone tell me why I shouldn't buy a Mustang Ecoboost and instead buy this car? The numbers seem more attractive on the Mustang.

    • @kevincrockett5155
      @kevincrockett5155 2 роки тому

      Then that's what you should buy. Having choices is a good thing.

  • @badboy-gn8fu
    @badboy-gn8fu 2 роки тому

    imo cars like the 86 isn't a daily driver. if you need to put people in the back then get your priorty striaght and buy a minivan.

  • @mikejaynekennedy4790
    @mikejaynekennedy4790 3 роки тому

    @AlexonAutos Would a turbo fit under the hood?

  • @tomdulaney4552
    @tomdulaney4552 3 роки тому

    2007??? Try FRS started in 2011 as a 2012 model.

  • @ryanlittleton5615
    @ryanlittleton5615 2 роки тому

    Must have.

  • @Forke13
    @Forke13 2 роки тому

    11:21 There is no way. Last generation was bought what... 85% manual? So more than 4 out of 5 people are choosing NOT automatic. Which makes total sense on this kind of cars. It's a driver's cars, not an arriver's car.

  • @1g2002541
    @1g2002541 2 роки тому

    The fuel economy doesn't make sense. Ford mustangs have similar fuel ecumenical, but much much more powerful, and much heavier. Also the German sports coups are better than it.

  • @tryonco
    @tryonco 3 роки тому

    Cool… I think I want one!