Winding you up with a gramophone repair.
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Fixing this Pathé Olotonal was easy, fun and educational. If just all things were this simple to service.
The Pathé Olotonal was a series of gramophones manufactured in the 1920's and 1930's. I don't know how old this exact model is, there doesn't seem to be a serial number or any other identifying details on it.
Hi. A great repair. I've never tried regreasing a spring without removing it from the barrel but it seems to have worked OK for you, maybe as you used petrol. I use paraffin, which works out economical as you can re-use it several times and it doesn't attack gloves etc. Paraffin is 'gentler' stuff, but still effective as a solvent, and also I find I can clean my hands with it, too.
Oh, that's good to know.
Thank you for sharing this! I have a made-in-England Columbia unit with this exact same issue and no idea what to do about it. Looking forward to attempting this repair and breathing new life into this old beauty. Many many thanks!
Good repair, and having just read an old book on gramophones it was interesting to note they also recommended just soaking it all in petrol rather than trying to take the spring out. I have regreased a couple of gramophones and have so far just used cheap motor grease, though there do seem to be some differences of opinion between some gramophone collectors as to the 'best' to use. Thanks for posting 😀 👍
I have just received a gramophone cabinet which has seen better days but I am going to try and restore it as best I can. This really helps with the workings. Thanks
Thanks brother, great video. Will be doing this on a Phonola 46a unit. Appreciate the simple fix and great tips.
Gonna try this out soon! (Kind of afraid to even look at the spring since last time my nephew overcranked it and it made the loudest bang i ever hear)
What a delightful old gramophone! I have restored several gramophones and don’t often fine an easy repair like this (if you call dismantling the motor and cleaning it in petrol “easy”). The soundbox sounds very nice. Pathe is quite rare here in Australia and I have never seen one of these.
My interest in gramophones led me to radiogram, automatic changers and finally valve radios, but I still have an interest in gramophones and your video has encouraged me to look for another one to restore.
Thank you for a most enjoyable video!
Thanks. I am about to fix my 1938 HMV 102 gramophone. This will help! Cheers from Holland.
thank you for this video! i have a Columbia Grafonola that i inherited from my grandparents years ago that is having this same problem. this gives me the motivation to take a crack at fixing it, as i recently purchased a load of shellac classical records from an estate sale for next to nothing, so if i can get this working, i can fill the house with that lovely music.
Love it! Have now got two to fix, and this video gives me some clear guidance! Thanks 😊
Thanks very much for the video...it will help me fix an very old hmv that i founded in old culture house. I bought some records to play and this happens. Now I will repair it, reshape the exterior, and try to make a charity auction to raise money to fix the roof of the place.
Excellent.👍
Thanks for the information. It was very much useful. I would have appreciated more if you would have shown how spring is to be removed and inserted again before greasing it.
Well, I didn't do that, I just dunked the whole thing in petrol as it was, because the spring didn't want to come out...
There are other videos you can find about how to remove the spring but that's usually because it needs replacing or fixing because it's broken.
Sounds fantastic. Having it play on your video was fun to see.
Finding enough records that have survived to call it a collection would be my next thought. Enjoyed hearing you made a party with it. It played at the right tempo for your whistling and I think my foot tapped a few times. : )
Thanks for this, I'm about to restore an old hMV wind up model of the same ilk which winds up and goes but as soon as you put a record on it slows down and stops. i've taken a look inside already and the whole thing is covered in a thick layer of grease probably dating from when it was originally built.
Ce modèle de Pathé Olotonal à été fabriqué de 1927 jusqu'à la moitié des années 30, mais les premiers olotonal date de 1924/1925, les modèles antérieures sont dans de jolies caisses en acajou où autres bois. Il existait même à l'époque le Olotonal grand modèle, il y avait deux bras de lecture équipée d'un diaphragme pour disque à saphir et l'autre pour disque à aiguilles. Il y a aussi les Pathé diamond beaucoup plus anciens, la plupart date des années 1910 mais ils ont été construits jusqu'au millieu des années 20. Olotonal et diamond sont des licences Pathé il me semble.
Merci pour l'information! Les disques á saphir, est-ce le vielle disques Pathé, avec gravure vertical?
@@RegebroRepairs Non, en fait Pathé a commencé à enregistré des disques à saphir en 1906, parce qu'il n'avait pas le droit de fabriquer des disques à aiguilles à cause du brevet d'Emile Berliner. Pathé à enregistrer des disques à saphir jusqu'en 1930, mais en 1920, le commerce du disque à saphir commence à s'effondrer, alors la marque à fabriquer ces premiers disques à aiguilles, les fameux Pathé Actuelle, ces disques étaient destinés au Etat Unis, puis il ont commencé à en fabriquer pour le Royaume Unis toujours sous le nom Actuelle et après en France et en Allemagne sous le nom Pathé, mais il y a aussi eu des disques Actuelle français. La firme Actuelle c'est aussi éteinte en 1930
There are petrol resistant pvc and nitril gloves, natural rubber will just dissolve. You might have to seek out something marked "petrol resistant" or something like that to be sure. Basic nitril gloves from the grocery store tend to stand up to white spirit. If you can soak metal in hot water and washing powder for laundry (white fabrics), it work strangely well on old grease and grime. You have to rinse and dry off well and limit soaking time to avoid rust. The worst of grime dissolves withing a 30 minutes, and might need a second soak in clean hot soapy water. Petrol and white spirit are very efficient, but smelly. Very nice repair, the motor looks tricky to take appart and reasseble.
Great and very useful video! I have the exact same machine. The case was stripped long before I got it and the black leatherette covering is all gone. Would you have any advice on how to restore the case? Thank you.
No, I have never done anything like that, and don't know if it's hard. I guess giving it to some furniture guy is an option.
Also, these cases came in different designs, so you don't need to limit yourself to black leatherette. You can go with everything from just the wood to real leather, although I assume real leather might be even harder to do... I've also seen blue and Bordeaux leatherette online as well.
I would look for a “amplifier guy”. They often re-cover vintage guitar amplifiers etc. so I bet if you can track down someone that works on old amps they could help you from there.
To prevent overwinding can you feel tension when it’s getting tight? Or do you recommend a certain number of rotations?
You can feel it. You should be able to wind it without any significant force and it should be able to play a whole side of a 12" record on one winding.
Good video. I was watching to find any discussion about the ratchet. I just procured a small travel gramaphone . I stuffed up the ratchet by turning the handle counter clockwise like one does with some models to take off the handle . I have deconstructed the motor, but I can’t figure out how the ratchet mechanism works .
Great video. I have 1929 Columbia Gramophone but the arm keeps slipping so that the needle slips forward and round part holding the needle sits on the record. Hopefully there will be a video to show how the arm arrangement should work without being loose and slipping. But at least I know how to grease it.
That can look different on different machines, but on the ones I have seen, the part with the membrane has a slot, and the arm has a pin that should go into that slot.
Hello, great video very helpful, but I’m having problems removing the lid to the mainspring case to clean.
I don’t like using too much excessive force if there is an easier way?..maybe that’s how yours was cracked.
I guess different motors may have a different design there? Could it have something that holds it in place?
@@RegebroRepairs ..l’m thinking there’s an O ring but it’s so tight.
@@paulrowland2931 Could be. There are more windup gramophone repairs on UA-cam, maybe someone is opening a motor that looks more like your?
@@RegebroRepairs ..I read on one forum, saying it’s a really tough job to spring the clip apparently.
@@RegebroRepairs ..pleased to say my gramophone is running fine now 👍
Thank you Thank you
Greetings from Ukraine and thanks for the video!
@LennartRegebo thanks for the lesson. Are the foils transferable from one machine to another? I need a replacement for my Neuphonic
If you mean the soundbox diaphragm, which is often a bit of corrugated metal foil, then those are different for different models. I'm not an expert, and can't find any information on Neuphonic, different brands were often sold under many names, maybe you can find another brand name somewhere?
But otherwise they are probably replaceable with any diaphragm of the same diameter.
Hi i have a question my gramophone needle is pushing too hard on the vinyl and it would not spin and it would damage my record. How do i fix it?
Well, you can't play vinyl records, firstly. It needs to be 78 RPM shellacs. If it is a shellac record and it's being damaged, then it's probably from the 50s, they often made them softer then, and in that case, don't play it with a mechanical gramophone. You will notice if it's doing that by the needle getting some black dust on it. That shouldn't happen.
Secondly, make sure you use a fresh needle, it should be changed for every record. Yup, gramophone needles are one time use.
If it spins before you put the needle down, but stops when you put down the needle, you likely have the same problem as I did: The grease in the motor is old and sticky, and it needs to be disassembled, cleaned, regreased and put back together again.
@@RegebroRepairs Thanks i will try it
Is good🎉😂
I have a gramophone and the arm is too heavy it stops the record how can I lift it up a little
That's exactly the problem I had, it's not the arm that is too heavy, it's the motor that doesn't have enough power.
Thanks for this video. My problem is more difficult. The bakelite cogwheel(gear) of the axis of the platter has broken and tooths are worn-out. Any helping ideas to make the box singing again?
You would probably have to replace the whole motor in that case. You can find motors online, but I've never replaced one, so I don't know what to look for to find one that fits.
@@RegebroRepairs Thanks!
Shame you didn't show which way the spring went in or how to do it, other than that it's a good video.
Yeah, that spring refused to come out for cleaning, so I just decided to dunk the whole thing in petrol, and that worked.
There are other videos that show you how to replace the spring, broken springs is a common problem.
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