I am delighted to have found this video and your channel. Good job. Good presentation. I will buy soon the Leica M10 Monochrom. This decision was taken previously yet I am benefitting hugely from your work. Thank you.
Couldn't agree more. I own an M10-M as well in addition to the M9-M. Both are great, but the M10-M is really proving itself as the dominant monochrom cam. Not sure why people are so anti-monochrome cameras. They are incredible at what they do. Also, great, comprehensive review and great images to go with it. Thanks
These are awesome. I opted for the Q2 Monochrome myself but the results are very similar despite being different sensors. I encourage people (like you said) to be patient with either b&w camera should they buy one. It takes a little bit of time to understand it, and now I’m hooked. I’ve never enjoyed shooting a digital camera as much as I do now. I use my orange filter during the day and take it off during the night.
Thank you! & I agree with you on your points. You really do have to give it time. I think an investment of that size you always second guess it but when you can work thru those first few months I think it really clicks in and starts to make sense. The mono for me as well has totally shifted my idea of digital photography! I’m happy you have been loving the Q2!
@@splootan Nah - you maybe could try and trigger someone, which is what you’re trying to do, if you made this statement about the SL2, but you’d still be wrong.
Definitely glad I found your video. Been wanting an monochrome camera for a year now. Best experience I got before was using Panasonic’s L Monochrome picture profile on my old Lumix G9. But a true monochrome camera is completely next level. I believe that you can really play and work with light a lot more and make it the main focus of an image when it comes to black and white photography. And that kind of photography not only challenges me more but inspires me more and really helps me put more of my own soul into my photography. So I may actually be getting an M10 Monochrom in a couple of months once I sell off a couple pieces of gear and cameras I don’t use anymore. Let’s just say selling all the gear and stuff I don’t use anymore will easily help pay for a M10M. Fingers crossed all goes to plan but with the arrival of the SL3 coming within a year and me wanting to upgrade from my Leica SL typ 601 I may have to prioritize that money towards the SL3. I’ll try to rent an M10M just to experience it and see if I’ll truly love it. While your review and images help I think it’s still best to experience it for myself and help me make a final decision if I’ll buy it or not.
Not many people have much content on youtube about the M10M. Being an owner of an M10M for about a month, you explained owning one perfectly. Your portraits are amazing, which is something I'm still learning how to do. Anyways great video man 👍🏽
Thank you so much! Best advice I can give for portraits is find a friend that is willing to work with you for a few months as you grow you skill set. Working on portraits in a comfortable environment first is extremely helpful when learning!! Best of luck!
Thanks Braxton. I enjoyed to see you are really passionate about b&w and this beautiful camera. I am still wondering if I should buy this Leica Monochrome. A M10R also performs well in low light and although converting to b&w will never be the same as shooting with the M10M, iIfound this not to bad either. Choices, choices... Thank.
I had a M9 monochrome and I found the that the camera was fantastic at rendering black skin tones. There was a Spanish guy that I followed on Facebook that made a lot of terrific portraits in Jamaica and generally just made the M240 monochrome camera with a 35mm summilux asph really sing. It was the only lens that he used. Others have gotten great results with other lenses such as an old 50cm that was great for natural light portraits. It can be a great camera but I tried and tried to get landscape photos with my monochrome M9 and just couldn’t get into a good flow with it. Motorcycles and their chrome also were an exceptional subject for the monochrome. I traded it in because of the sensor issues and have enjoyed the SL with M lenses. The SL has a monochrome function for jpegs and for viewing that I use from time to time but I don’t see myself ever buying another M, monochrome or otherwise.
Shooting with a M is special. Shooting monochrom is special. So I gladly believe that shooting with a M monochrom is more adapted to my taste than a Q2 monochrom. I just bought a M10M in addition to my M262. I'm sure it will make a great combo with my Elmarit 28 or my Summilux 50. And I've just added a Summarit 90 f:2.4. I don't need anything more to enjoy shooting.
A phenomenal video! Granted this camera has its flaws like any other, it wont change my love for it 😆. Also those portraits and the heavy shadows on the clouds is truly something so beautiful! Appreciate you for giving us a great vid🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Very good video Braxton. Very nice images. It always takes me a while to get to know a camera. I fully agree that the ability to use slower lenses is a plus. I’ve been using the 21mm 3.4 with the M10M and love the way it renders.
Glad you enjoyed it! I think the Elmarits have such a wonderful render. You can tell they are able to be so much technically accurate because they don’t require as much engineering!
Daft question. How do you know if the effects that you are getting are either the Lens or the Sensor? I know I have had vastly different results on a camera by using different lenses, which can come down to the lens coatings or if they are producing a vintage look like the Voigts Classic. Just interested. I love the idea of the mono sensor, but I have had mixed reviews regarding the sensor quality - ie white spots on new sensors.
You've done most ,of inspiring me to but the M10 monochrome, but I'm confused for buying an expensive 35mm F1.4 Leica kens with it. What woukd u suggest for Zeiss or Vogtlander variants??
I unfortunately have not been able to use any of the other M Mount variants. A great budget leica lens is the 28mm 2.8. It’s actually probably the lens I use the most to be honest.
Awesome video, Braxton. I dig your video style. I don't own a Leica yet but can still connect with the general photographic & creative discussions. Keep up the great work. You have new subscriber here.
Thank you! I’m glad you were able to resonate with the video. I want to have a space here where photographic discussion is on the forefront. & Thank you for subscribing!
Hi, interesting and beautiful pictures, i suppose it is the second version of the monochrom? -40Mp-? And is that all your samples here are Jade With the 28mm or there is some taken with other lenses (50 or 35?) excuse those questions because i don t speak very much English , so, same with the subtitles, i can understand, but sometimes i m not sure..! ;-) thanks for your review
Really nice video and enjoyed your images. i picked up M10P in Paris last year on business troop just before lockdown and still learning and loving it. Great bit of kit and amazing how it performs in low light. Keep producing good content and interested in anything you have on S3. BTW...My M9P still the best file size!
I am a big fan of the M10P as well! I have one video up on the S3 but am working on making more images as of late. I will do a "long term" review on it after I compile enough images! Happy to answer any questions on it in the meantime though. The M9P is still such a fantastic camera!!
Good question. For not just using the m10: the m10 Monochrom sensor is from the ground up rebuilt and different than the m10. The color filter array was completely removed so this camera measures light in luminance. So the M10M allows for better iso performance and more detail. I personally don’t need color, I sold my m10 p to get this. It renders unlike any other of the digital color M’s. However if one needs color, shooting on the m10 works just fine and allows for more flexibility. And Q2 vs M10m: I prefer the M10 mono over the Q2 mono for the main fact of glass. I prefer M glass over the Q2 28mm. I also have a lot of m glass that I like. So I’m already bought into the m bodies. They both function very similarly. So lenses are the determining factor in what one chooses id say.
Great video, probably the best Leica M10M review I have watched. It positivity separates itself from other videos which always try to sell fastest M lenses as absolutely needed. Also great that the example photos reveal clearly why for your style of photography high ISO is so beneficial in monochrome. As film shooter I admit that many of those photos wouldn't been able to take with film easily. Hope that a new firmware at some point resolves the start up time issue with the camera.
Thank you! I try to come at these reviews in an unbiased way as possible. Between you and me, I think some of the slower/older Leica glass’s “look” is better than the fast stuff depending on application. & Yes I totally agree the high iso has really helped my style and to be honest kinda made a style. A lot of these shots like you said, I couldn’t have gotten any other way! Appreciate very much your comment and discussion pieces.
Can I say right off that I am jealous that you have shot with 2 different Leica monochrome cameras. I shoot 90% monochrome and would give to science any part of my body to hold a Leica Monochrome Q2. I really like your videos and the photos are spectacular! Looking forward to your next video. Kind Regards... Jerry in Fort Wayne Indiana. Cheers!
It is a big blessing to be able to use these cameras at length! I am happy to be able to bring more context to the conversation on both cameras with these reviews. Both truly contain magic in my opinion. Very special devices. When photo events pick up keep an eye out for Leica Akademie events. Oftentimes, you can get cameras in hand for an afternoon! & lastly thank you! I'm flattered that you enjoy the videos and photos!
I had a yellow filter on for a few months , however I felt it didn’t make a big enough difference to me. I know lots of ppl that use them religiously tho and swear by them. With digital stuff I think it matters a little less however the way the mono sensor works I do think they still make a difference. I did always keep a regular clear UV filter from Leica on my lenses! But that’s more for front element protection honestly.
Good advice on filters. You should treat the Monochrom as if shooting film and control contrast using colour filters. I use the Monochrom and depending on the situation will change the colour filter to suit. Very rarely do I shoot without.
The need for fast lenses is still there. Because if you want to have the distinctive character of a Noctilux wide open for example in portraiture. Thats the main reason why people buy a Noctilux or something similar. Noctilux are mostly used by portrait photographers. Thats a point you missed. I have the M9 Monochrom, which came out in 2012. Even with that Mono there is no need for fast lens in the sense you have curated it.
Agreed! I stated in the video “unless you want the look of fast lenses”. I’ve shot with all the nocts and absolutely love them! The non fast lenses point is just a fun point to be able to talk about the power of this cameras iso capabilities! Thanks for checking out the video!
Hi Braxton ... thanks for the inspiring review on this M10M .... what lens or lenses did you use to shoot all pictures you share on this video? Thank you.
Enjoyed the review. I am on the fence between this and the M11 (or even the SL2). I primarily shoot film leicas (and an M9). Would you still buy the camera?
You said M10 mono is the best camera of all time when you were making this vid. Now that M11 Mono is out, what are your thoughts? Are you planning to upgrade? I own M11M and wonder whether it was worth spending all that money. Maybe should've gotten M10m?
"the Sl2 is not great in low light." I have to strongly disagree with you on this. I think the only other camera in the league of the sl2 for low light is the sony a7s3.
I really think it does. Overall I don’t have too many gripes, I work the way I prefer, the size is PERFECT for me and I make my favorite work with it. So I say yes!
I am a professional photographer (documentary) and use a Q1 and an M9. When I need to do an event shoot -rarely- I use a Nikon D850 and a Fuji X-T2. And when I am doing a precision job in the studio, a shot that will require perfection, I use an S2 (and a Fuji GFX 100 for what the S2 does not reach). With all due respect to wedding photographers… they have a very hard job that I would never do, it is absurd to use a Leica or a medium format camera. What you need is a Sony or a Nikon Z9. Some use them to differentiate themselves, but they aren’t using the right tools.
Nonsense. I shot a wedding with a Hasselblad 500CM. 12 frames a roll, manual focus and much slower than any 35mm camera. You can use any camera for weddings if you have a clear vision that you communicate to the couple beforehand.
Thank you! I have used it with the flash on and also with a flash off camera. I, unfortunately, didn't include many taken with either set up because they were more "test shots" However, the image at 18:29 was with off camera flash, and the image at 19:21 was with on camera flash. I use the Leica SF60 because I like staying native with flashes. I also have used the SF240 as well and that is another fantastic option for a flash. The mono doesn't really ever need a flash to be honest because of its low light ability, but when you want the look it does a great job with it.
I was on a fence between m10m and m10r. B&W rangefinder was so different from my Sony. I ended up getting m10r and no regrets. I love m10r, but m10m is still on the back of my mind. It would be awesome to see comparison between them. I also saw that you shoot s3 in b&w. What is your feeling about image difference between them? Tonality is one of things that medium format good at, but it looks like m10m should be pretty good at that too.
You can’t go wrong with the m10R, the color is so nice from that camera! I’d say very similar to the S3. I’ll be doing a video on it soon! I think for me, I’ve shot most of my cameras either with Kodak trix or converting to black and white anyways. So a monochrom made a lot of sense to me! I think if you like using color at all an M10M can be excessive for those not in my position. And yes I do shoot the S3 in b&w, I have come to really love it’s color tho. So main differences will be on the ground floor the sensors themselves, they measure light in very different ways. The M10M is strictly based on luminance so you will naturally get a closer feel to a black and white film stock. The S3 measures thru the color filter array sensor layer but forsure has more dynamic range. That being said, the iso capabilities are very limited. Top end pushing it, the best it’ll do is 1600 while keeping out grain. The M10M gets great dynamic range and tonality even to 12.5k iso, but not as good as the S3 at its base iso 100 to 400ish. So that extended iso range can be a big game changer when comparing them. The S3 does have the advantage of having the “medium format” look while the M10M feels kinda closer to a big 35mm negative.
Nice video! One thing I would add re not needing "fast lenses:" One of the great capabilities of a fast lens is to isolate a subject. Of course, if the primary picture-taking style of the user does not include the need to do that, then it is of no consequence. But one relatively fast 50 or 90 can be very useful in that regard.
Game changer. I had an M10 but the M10M eclipsed it completely. Takes a while to get it to sing, but that's the case with all digital Ms I have had. Will check out your point about 6 bit lenses, but I have got gorgeous shots with the Canon 50mm f1.2 LTM and an 85 Nikkor f1.4 Ais, as well as my 24 lux which just about lives on the camera most days.
I agree! It does take a while to get in a rhythm. & yes I think the six bit point will probably end up pretty subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say lol those lenses are fantastic tho, I imagine they will do a great job on whatever body they are put on. I love the 24 lux! I opted to get the 28 lux instead tho. Happy shooting with the m10m!
I just want say I appreciate the way you chose to present this review. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned camera “lanes”. Also: Bruh this track is pretty 🔥, and the photo change on every 3rd click is fucking mint! Don’t ever change that cause it works on a great track. Sincerely a B&W fan and Sony shooter🤣
I'm grateful you enjoyed the video! I think it is important to talk about cameras more as tools with a purpose. Focusing on what they do well. Like you reiterated, every camera and camera brand has a "lane" and they are perfect for that lane! Also I'm very excited you said something about the music! I make pretty much all of the music on this channel, except for a few of the earlier videos. A way to express some more of my creativity! Happy shooting!
I have a Typ 246 Monochrom. I also started with black and white film shooting and did my own darkroom work. Shooting with the Monochrom took me back to that special place. Seeing the images you want in my mind before shooting then having them appear in monochrome on the back screen is not unique to this body of course. Yet I found that I take fewer and arguably better photos with it because I am in the black and white artistic mindset from the get go. That is what I overpaid for. Haha. For what it is worth, I also had buyer's remorse and contemplated selling it but then I bought the 35mm Summicron and found my niche. For me it works. First time I have ever liked shooting a 35mm lens. Thanks for the vid. --Michael
I know exactly how you feel, the monochrom series is just special. They create a very film-esque workflow in my opinion. I’m glad I wasn’t alone on that buyers remorse front, good thing we stuck it out! Funny how you found a 35 and I found a 28 and it made the cameras work for us. I wonder if there is something to that! Lol
None taken! I think you are onto my point that I made in this video. Photography and cameras in general are so subjective. There is no real best black and white camera. Whatever the individual views as best is best. Appreciate you joining into the discussion!
If you are looking at the results uploaded onto UA-cam or Facebook then you are right...but in print or on a high resolution monitor right from the RAW image... you might.... but if the XE1 makes you happy....that’s great.
Thank you for a very nice video and the photos. Q - how do you handle the blown highlights problem with the camera. I know one can under expose via ERV or just expose for the highlights and then bring up the shadows in post but the metering seems very sensitive to this compared to other high quality mirrorless cameras and this ended up driving me nuts. I found the M10R had the same d problem when using the rangefinder.
have had a M10M but was just boooring, all pictures were good and all the same. Back to my loved M6. Sorry but digital still has a very long way to go.
Love the concept of monochrom, love the simplicity of Leica bodies. Two reasons why I dont get one: 1) bodies susceptible to digital rot like any digital camera 2) blown hilights (easily fixable if Leica did what Fuji does with their DR400 mode) I use a summilux 50mm and a 28 summicron on a fuji body. Fuji’s dr400 mode gives you about 3 stops of hilight retention (but you have to shoot at iso 640 and above). Works in RAW & jpg Fuji’s xtrans sensor gives you a filmic grain, not noise. I rented a leica m11 and shot it in the same venue as the fuji. The files had a color noise inferior to the fuji’s when shot at iso 1600-12,800. Also, Fuji’s ability to edit highlight and shadow tone curves give you a filmic rolloff instead of a clipy digital sudden falloff. Fuji’s film sims offer amazing preset options and customizations. Fuji’s color chrome effect and blue color chrome effect reduces the luminance in highly saturated colors that tend to blow out in digital sensors: again giving it a filmic appearance. Fuji’s have a built in evf, eliminating a $700 leica accessory that eats up a flash shoe spot. 1/10 the price of a leica body. Because of new fuji bodies are introduced every 2 - 3 years, the used market has plenty of fuji bodies with plenty of life left in them. If you can afford it, get leica M glass and mate it to a fuji body: xpro 3 if you want a (almost) rangefinder experience, or an xt3 for a truly retro camera with amazing dials for control. If you can’t afford leica glass, get a fuji x100v (it has a 35mm equiv lens. Get the wide angle conversion lens to widen to 28! I really love the direction the m11 is taking leica with the modernized design. But they really need to take a page out of fuji’s handbook. Shooting underexposed images because digital sensors are what they are when you can circumvent it in software as fuji did is inexcusable. If Leica did that AND beef up the Maestro to keep up with 60mp, I’d deal with the digital rot and get a limited edition safari and a monochrom. In the meantime, film leica bodies are the only leicas that are timeless! Thanks for reading and posting❤
7:40 This kills me. Fuji cameras have a mode called DR400 that, internally under exposes the shot, then automatically brings up the mid tones and highlights. Basically what you do in Lightroom But automatically in the camera. Also works in Raw. This way you have. Normal looking jpg at the back of the camera and not u defe posed images because you “corrected for the right hand side of the histogram”. That’s not photography. It’s all software. Leica can do this tomorrow in software, for any Leica….
Leicas are not about bytes, luminance values and all that chip jargon. If you need to justify a Leica with a tech lexicon, it’s beat you sell your Leica.
I am delighted to have found this video and your channel. Good job. Good presentation. I will buy soon the Leica M10 Monochrom. This decision was taken previously yet I am benefitting hugely from your work. Thank you.
Couldn't agree more. I own an M10-M as well in addition to the M9-M. Both are great, but the M10-M is really proving itself as the dominant monochrom cam. Not sure why people are so anti-monochrome cameras. They are incredible at what they do. Also, great, comprehensive review and great images to go with it. Thanks
These are awesome. I opted for the Q2 Monochrome myself but the results are very similar despite being different sensors. I encourage people (like you said) to be patient with either b&w camera should they buy one. It takes a little bit of time to understand it, and now I’m hooked. I’ve never enjoyed shooting a digital camera as much as I do now. I use my orange filter during the day and take it off during the night.
Thank you! & I agree with you on your points. You really do have to give it time. I think an investment of that size you always second guess it but when you can work thru those first few months I think it really clicks in and starts to make sense. The mono for me as well has totally shifted my idea of digital photography! I’m happy you have been loving the Q2!
The Q2 Monochrom is basically a Panasonic, dressed up.
@@splootan Nah - you maybe could try and trigger someone, which is what you’re trying to do, if you made this statement about the SL2, but you’d still be wrong.
@@splootan Q2’s lens is a dressed up minolta!
Definitely glad I found your video. Been wanting an monochrome camera for a year now. Best experience I got before was using Panasonic’s L Monochrome picture profile on my old Lumix G9. But a true monochrome camera is completely next level. I believe that you can really play and work with light a lot more and make it the main focus of an image when it comes to black and white photography. And that kind of photography not only challenges me more but inspires me more and really helps me put more of my own soul into my photography.
So I may actually be getting an M10 Monochrom in a couple of months once I sell off a couple pieces of gear and cameras I don’t use anymore. Let’s just say selling all the gear and stuff I don’t use anymore will easily help pay for a M10M.
Fingers crossed all goes to plan but with the arrival of the SL3 coming within a year and me wanting to upgrade from my Leica SL typ 601 I may have to prioritize that money towards the SL3.
I’ll try to rent an M10M just to experience it and see if I’ll truly love it. While your review and images help I think it’s still best to experience it for myself and help me make a final decision if I’ll buy it or not.
20:16 is this with 50mm 1.4 ASPH ?
I loved this review! Great passion in your work!
Not many people have much content on youtube about the M10M. Being an owner of an M10M for about a month, you explained owning one perfectly. Your portraits are amazing, which is something I'm still learning how to do. Anyways great video man 👍🏽
Thank you so much! Best advice I can give for portraits is find a friend that is willing to work with you for a few months as you grow you skill set. Working on portraits in a comfortable environment first is extremely helpful when learning!! Best of luck!
20:08 is sick. Almost makes me want to trade my M10-R for a Monochrome haha keep up the good work!
Thank you! That’s one of my favorite shots with this camera!
Just find a way to have both 😉 lol
I couldn’t really understand your Ig name. Went to description and wasn’t there either. Can you clarify for me? Anyone know.
One of the first images, the car park is my fave . Absolutely love it! Thanks for the vid
Thanks Braxton. I enjoyed to see you are really passionate about b&w and this beautiful camera. I am still wondering if I should buy this Leica Monochrome. A M10R also performs well in low light and although converting to b&w will never be the same as shooting with the M10M, iIfound this not to bad either. Choices, choices... Thank.
I had a M9 monochrome and I found the that the camera was fantastic at rendering black skin tones. There was a Spanish guy that I followed on Facebook that made a lot of terrific portraits in Jamaica and generally just made the M240 monochrome camera with a 35mm summilux asph really sing. It was the only lens that he used. Others have gotten great results with other lenses such as an old 50cm that was great for natural light portraits. It can be a great camera but I tried and tried to get landscape photos with my monochrome M9 and just couldn’t get into a good flow with it. Motorcycles and their chrome also were an exceptional subject for the monochrome. I traded it in because of the sensor issues and have enjoyed the SL with M lenses. The SL has a monochrome function for jpegs and for viewing that I use from time to time but I don’t see myself ever buying another M, monochrome or otherwise.
Shooting with a M is special. Shooting monochrom is special. So I gladly believe that shooting with a M monochrom is more adapted to my taste than a Q2 monochrom. I just bought a M10M in addition to my M262. I'm sure it will make a great combo with my Elmarit 28 or my Summilux 50. And I've just added a Summarit 90 f:2.4. I don't need anything more to enjoy shooting.
A phenomenal video! Granted this camera has its flaws like any other, it wont change my love for it 😆.
Also those portraits and the heavy shadows on the clouds is truly something so beautiful!
Appreciate you for giving us a great vid🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Thank you so much bro!
Very good video Braxton. Very nice images. It always takes me a while to get to know a camera. I fully agree that the ability to use slower lenses is a plus. I’ve been using the 21mm 3.4 with the M10M and love the way it renders.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed the video. & Yes the slower lens plus is huge!
I haven’t ever tried the 21mm focal length, I should give it a try!
What lenses do you shoot with the M10 Monochrom?
Really enjoyed this review and love that you’re using the Elmarit instead of a Lux like in most other reviews.
Glad you enjoyed it! I think the Elmarits have such a wonderful render. You can tell they are able to be so much technically accurate because they don’t require as much engineering!
You are so right about this camera. I love it
Daft question. How do you know if the effects that you are getting are either the Lens or the Sensor? I know I have had vastly different results on a camera by using different lenses, which can come down to the lens coatings or if they are producing a vintage look like the Voigts Classic. Just interested. I love the idea of the mono sensor, but I have had mixed reviews regarding the sensor quality - ie white spots on new sensors.
Please get back on here!!! Just got my M10 mono. Beautiful work!!
Great video, thanks. Love 16.54 and 16.57, mesmerising; just like the camera I imagine. Who needs speed and AF when you can have art!
You've done most ,of inspiring me to but the M10 monochrome, but I'm confused for buying an expensive 35mm F1.4 Leica kens with it. What woukd u suggest for Zeiss or Vogtlander variants??
I unfortunately have not been able to use any of the other M Mount variants. A great budget leica lens is the 28mm 2.8. It’s actually probably the lens I use the most to be honest.
Really really great review! There are no bad camera's. It all comes down to your workflow ✨👌🏼
Awesome video, Braxton. I dig your video style. I don't own a Leica yet but can still connect with the general photographic & creative discussions. Keep up the great work. You have new subscriber here.
Thank you!
I’m glad you were able to resonate with the video. I want to have a space here where photographic discussion is on the forefront. & Thank you for subscribing!
Great review and nice images ! I traded my m10 for an MA but if I come back to digital I’ll go M10M.
@liquid_leica still have the MA..
@@splootan yup I still do ; I pair with an m6 .72 and a 50 cron most photo walks
Hi, interesting and beautiful pictures, i suppose it is the second version of the monochrom? -40Mp-? And is that all your samples here are Jade With the 28mm or there is some taken with other lenses (50 or 35?) excuse those questions because i don t speak very much English , so, same with the subtitles, i can understand, but sometimes i m not sure..! ;-) thanks for your review
Really nice video and enjoyed your images. i picked up M10P in Paris last year on business troop just before lockdown and still learning and loving it. Great bit of kit and amazing how it performs in low light. Keep producing good content and interested in anything you have on S3. BTW...My M9P still the best file size!
I am a big fan of the M10P as well! I have one video up on the S3 but am working on making more images as of late. I will do a "long term" review on it after I compile enough images! Happy to answer any questions on it in the meantime though. The M9P is still such a fantastic camera!!
Some sample dng to download would be nice to try that recovery thing oneself 😊. 1 or even 2 stops underexposed would be perfect.
Why are you shooting with a monochrome instead of a color M10, then converting the images to black and white? And why the M and not the Q2 mono?
Good question.
For not just using the m10: the m10 Monochrom sensor is from the ground up rebuilt and different than the m10. The color filter array was completely removed so this camera measures light in luminance. So the M10M allows for better iso performance and more detail. I personally don’t need color, I sold my m10 p to get this. It renders unlike any other of the digital color M’s. However if one needs color, shooting on the m10 works just fine and allows for more flexibility.
And Q2 vs M10m: I prefer the M10 mono over the Q2 mono for the main fact of glass. I prefer M glass over the Q2 28mm. I also have a lot of m glass that I like. So I’m already bought into the m bodies. They both function very similarly. So lenses are the determining factor in what one chooses id say.
Great video, probably the best Leica M10M review I have watched. It positivity separates itself from other videos which always try to sell fastest M lenses as absolutely needed. Also great that the example photos reveal clearly why for your style of photography high ISO is so beneficial in monochrome. As film shooter I admit that many of those photos wouldn't been able to take with film easily. Hope that a new firmware at some point resolves the start up time issue with the camera.
Thank you! I try to come at these reviews in an unbiased way as possible. Between you and me, I think some of the slower/older Leica glass’s “look” is better than the fast stuff depending on application. & Yes I totally agree the high iso has really helped my style and to be honest kinda made a style. A lot of these shots like you said, I couldn’t have gotten any other way!
Appreciate very much your comment and discussion pieces.
As I'm making 90% of b&w photos, I'm getting my M10M in 2 days. I keep my Q2 for color option when needed.
Can I say right off that I am jealous that you have shot with 2 different Leica monochrome cameras. I shoot 90% monochrome and would give to science any part of my body to hold a Leica Monochrome Q2. I really like your videos and the photos are spectacular! Looking forward to your next video. Kind Regards... Jerry in Fort Wayne Indiana. Cheers!
It is a big blessing to be able to use these cameras at length! I am happy to be able to bring more context to the conversation on both cameras with these reviews. Both truly contain magic in my opinion. Very special devices. When photo events pick up keep an eye out for Leica Akademie events. Oftentimes, you can get cameras in hand for an afternoon! & lastly thank you! I'm flattered that you enjoy the videos and photos!
Great video. Superior to just about any other. We need more images!
Have you experimented with different color filters - yellow, orange etc?
I had a yellow filter on for a few months , however I felt it didn’t make a big enough difference to me. I know lots of ppl that use them religiously tho and swear by them. With digital stuff I think it matters a little less however the way the mono sensor works I do think they still make a difference. I did always keep a regular clear UV filter from Leica on my lenses! But that’s more for front element protection honestly.
Good advice on filters. You should treat the Monochrom as if shooting film and control contrast using colour filters. I use the Monochrom and depending on the situation will change the colour filter to suit. Very rarely do I shoot without.
I really appreciate how you explain things. Great video!
Thank you very much!!
The need for fast lenses is still there. Because if you want to have the distinctive character of a Noctilux wide open for example in portraiture. Thats the main reason why people buy a Noctilux or something similar. Noctilux are mostly used by portrait photographers. Thats a point you missed. I have the M9 Monochrom, which came out in 2012. Even with that Mono there is no need for fast lens in the sense you have curated it.
Agreed! I stated in the video “unless you want the look of fast lenses”. I’ve shot with all the nocts and absolutely love them! The non fast lenses point is just a fun point to be able to talk about the power of this cameras iso capabilities! Thanks for checking out the video!
Hi Braxton ... thanks for the inspiring review on this M10M .... what lens or lenses did you use to shoot all pictures you share on this video? Thank you.
I mostly shot on the 28mm 2.8 but a few were on the 35mm 1.4 , 50 1.4 and 75 2.8 all Leica glass!
@@braxtonmiller7502 thanks for sharing 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Enjoyed the review. I am on the fence between this and the M11 (or even the SL2). I primarily shoot film leicas (and an M9). Would you still buy the camera?
You said M10 mono is the best camera of all time when you were making this vid. Now that M11 Mono is out, what are your thoughts? Are you planning to upgrade? I own M11M and wonder whether it was worth spending all that money. Maybe should've gotten M10m?
"the Sl2 is not great in low light." I have to strongly disagree with you on this. I think the only other camera in the league of the sl2 for low light is the sony a7s3.
Good to know about the highlights on the monochrom.
Every camera has its lane. Well said. Does the camera work for your purpose and process?
I really think it does. Overall I don’t have too many gripes, I work the way I prefer, the size is PERFECT for me and I make my favorite work with it. So I say yes!
I am a professional photographer (documentary) and use a Q1 and an M9. When I need to do an event shoot -rarely- I use a Nikon D850 and a Fuji X-T2. And when I am doing a precision job in the studio, a shot that will require perfection, I use an S2 (and a Fuji GFX 100 for what the S2 does not reach). With all due respect to wedding photographers… they have a very hard job that I would never do, it is absurd to use a Leica or a medium format camera. What you need is a Sony or a Nikon Z9. Some use them to differentiate themselves, but they aren’t using the right tools.
Nonsense. I shot a wedding with a Hasselblad 500CM. 12 frames a roll, manual focus and much slower than any 35mm camera. You can use any camera for weddings if you have a clear vision that you communicate to the couple beforehand.
Hey Man, thanks so much for the video! I really enjoyed your images. Have you ever use flash with the mono?
Thank you! I have used it with the flash on and also with a flash off camera. I, unfortunately, didn't include many taken with either set up because they were more "test shots" However, the image at 18:29 was with off camera flash, and the image at 19:21 was with on camera flash. I use the Leica SF60 because I like staying native with flashes. I also have used the SF240 as well and that is another fantastic option for a flash. The mono doesn't really ever need a flash to be honest because of its low light ability, but when you want the look it does a great job with it.
I was on a fence between m10m and m10r.
B&W rangefinder was so different from my Sony.
I ended up getting m10r and no regrets. I love m10r, but m10m is still on the back of my mind.
It would be awesome to see comparison between them.
I also saw that you shoot s3 in b&w. What is your feeling about image difference between them? Tonality is one of things that medium format good at, but it looks like m10m should be pretty good at that too.
You can’t go wrong with the m10R, the color is so nice from that camera! I’d say very similar to the S3. I’ll be doing a video on it soon!
I think for me, I’ve shot most of my cameras either with Kodak trix or converting to black and white anyways. So a monochrom made a lot of sense to me! I think if you like using color at all an M10M can be excessive for those not in my position.
And yes I do shoot the S3 in b&w, I have come to really love it’s color tho. So main differences will be on the ground floor the sensors themselves, they measure light in very different ways. The M10M is strictly based on luminance so you will naturally get a closer feel to a black and white film stock. The S3 measures thru the color filter array sensor layer but forsure has more dynamic range. That being said, the iso capabilities are very limited. Top end pushing it, the best it’ll do is 1600 while keeping out grain. The M10M gets great dynamic range and tonality even to 12.5k iso, but not as good as the S3 at its base iso 100 to 400ish. So that extended iso range can be a big game changer when comparing them. The S3 does have the advantage of having the “medium format” look while the M10M feels kinda closer to a big 35mm negative.
Nice video! One thing I would add re not needing "fast lenses:"
One of the great capabilities of a fast lens is to isolate a subject. Of course, if the primary picture-taking style of the user does not include the need to do that, then it is of no consequence. But one relatively fast 50 or 90 can be very useful in that regard.
Game changer. I had an M10 but the M10M eclipsed it completely. Takes a while to get it to sing, but that's the case with all digital Ms I have had. Will check out your point about 6 bit lenses, but I have got gorgeous shots with the Canon 50mm f1.2 LTM and an 85 Nikkor f1.4 Ais, as well as my 24 lux which just about lives on the camera most days.
I agree! It does take a while to get in a rhythm. & yes I think the six bit point will probably end up pretty subjective. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say lol those lenses are fantastic tho, I imagine they will do a great job on whatever body they are put on. I love the 24 lux! I opted to get the 28 lux instead tho. Happy shooting with the m10m!
I just want say I appreciate the way you chose to present this review. You hit the nail on the head when you mentioned camera “lanes”. Also: Bruh this track is pretty 🔥, and the photo change on every 3rd click is fucking mint! Don’t ever change that cause it works on a great track. Sincerely a B&W fan and Sony shooter🤣
I'm grateful you enjoyed the video! I think it is important to talk about cameras more as tools with a purpose. Focusing on what they do well. Like you reiterated, every camera and camera brand has a "lane" and they are perfect for that lane!
Also I'm very excited you said something about the music! I make pretty much all of the music on this channel, except for a few of the earlier videos. A way to express some more of my creativity!
Happy shooting!
Great video, thanks
Thank you!
I have a Typ 246 Monochrom. I also started with black and white film shooting and did my own darkroom work. Shooting with the Monochrom took me back to that special place. Seeing the images you want in my mind before shooting then having them appear in monochrome on the back screen is not unique to this body of course. Yet I found that I take fewer and arguably better photos with it because I am in the black and white artistic mindset from the get go. That is what I overpaid for. Haha. For what it is worth, I also had buyer's remorse and contemplated selling it but then I bought the 35mm Summicron and found my niche. For me it works. First time I have ever liked shooting a 35mm lens. Thanks for the vid.
--Michael
I know exactly how you feel, the monochrom series is just special. They create a very film-esque workflow in my opinion. I’m glad I wasn’t alone on that buyers remorse front, good thing we stuck it out! Funny how you found a 35 and I found a 28 and it made the cameras work for us. I wonder if there is something to that! Lol
Great talent,great image,...
Thank you!
great job!!!!
Beautiful photos. And I love the format of the video overall.
Thank you very much!
No offence but I don't see better B&W rendering with the M10 (at $6,000 used on ebay) than I do from my Fuji XE1 ($300 on ebay).
None taken! I think you are onto my point that I made in this video. Photography and cameras in general are so subjective. There is no real best black and white camera. Whatever the individual views as best is best. Appreciate you joining into the discussion!
If you are looking at the results uploaded onto UA-cam or Facebook then you are right...but in print or on a high resolution monitor right from the RAW image... you might.... but if the XE1 makes you happy....that’s great.
Thank you for a very nice video and the photos. Q - how do you handle the blown highlights problem with the camera. I know one can under expose via ERV or just expose for the highlights and then bring up the shadows in post but the metering seems very sensitive to this compared to other high quality mirrorless cameras and this ended up driving me nuts. I found the M10R had the same d problem when using the rangefinder.
Amazing!
Thank you guys!!
Great review
Best camera of all time" Modern tech talk. Cameras dont take pictures, its a tool to capture light.
100% agree, everyone has a preference for how they work with their cameras! For me it’s my favorite camera of all time. Thanks for watching the video!
Nice pictures. 👍
Thank you!
Cool images!
Thank you!
have had a M10M but was just boooring, all pictures were good and all the same. Back to my loved M6. Sorry but digital still has a very long way to go.
I feel where you are coming from and agree. Digital will probably never be superior to film!
Great images
Thank you!
Compare it with the Q2 😁
I have plans of getting around to doing a Q2 video here soon!
Nice Job
beautiful!
Thank you!!
Appreciate your enthusiasm and attempt to cover everything but perhaps try to be more succinct in saying what you want to say.
Love the concept of monochrom, love the simplicity of Leica bodies.
Two reasons why I dont get one:
1) bodies susceptible to digital rot like any digital camera
2) blown hilights (easily fixable if Leica did what Fuji does with their DR400 mode)
I use a summilux 50mm and a 28 summicron on a fuji body.
Fuji’s dr400 mode gives you about 3 stops of hilight retention (but you have to shoot at iso 640 and above). Works in RAW & jpg
Fuji’s xtrans sensor gives you a filmic grain, not noise. I rented a leica m11 and shot it in the same venue as the fuji. The files had a color noise inferior to the fuji’s when shot at iso 1600-12,800.
Also, Fuji’s ability to edit highlight and shadow tone curves give you a filmic rolloff instead of a clipy digital sudden falloff.
Fuji’s film sims offer amazing preset options and customizations.
Fuji’s color chrome effect and blue color chrome effect reduces the luminance in highly saturated colors that tend to blow out in digital sensors: again giving it a filmic appearance.
Fuji’s have a built in evf, eliminating a $700 leica accessory that eats up a flash shoe spot.
1/10 the price of a leica body.
Because of new fuji bodies are introduced every 2 - 3 years, the used market has plenty of fuji bodies with plenty of life left in them.
If you can afford it, get leica M glass and mate it to a fuji body: xpro 3 if you want a (almost) rangefinder experience, or an xt3 for a truly retro camera with amazing dials for control.
If you can’t afford leica glass, get a fuji x100v (it has a 35mm equiv lens. Get the wide angle conversion lens to widen to 28!
I really love the direction the m11 is taking leica with the modernized design. But they really need to take a page out of fuji’s handbook.
Shooting underexposed images because digital sensors are what they are when you can circumvent it in software as fuji did is inexcusable.
If Leica did that AND beef up the Maestro to keep up with 60mp, I’d deal with the digital rot and get a limited edition safari and a monochrom.
In the meantime, film leica bodies are the only leicas that are timeless!
Thanks for reading and posting❤
The real BMillTicket
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Had to come back on the real UA-cam lmaooo
7:40
This kills me. Fuji cameras have a mode called DR400 that, internally under exposes the shot, then automatically brings up the mid tones and highlights.
Basically what you do in Lightroom
But automatically in the camera. Also works in Raw.
This way you have. Normal looking jpg at the back of the camera and not u defe posed images because you “corrected for the right hand side of the histogram”. That’s not photography.
It’s all software. Leica can do this tomorrow in software, for any Leica….
They…. Have. They have a highlight retention mode they added in a firmware update like a while ago.
You must not put photos on Instagram YOU HAVE TO PRINT THE PHOTOS ‼️😃
A long-term year
Q2M is much better!
Leicas are not about bytes, luminance values and all that chip jargon. If you need to justify a Leica with a tech lexicon, it’s beat you sell your Leica.