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@@kubowich they ARE, just in control layout, and the bottom plate design, also you use the SAME lens selection, film or digital, so you can have the same look, but taking an eg further, if you shoot say a Noctilux 0.95 you technically have a better hit rate on the M-10 as the LV and focus peaking negates to some degree the shallow dof, and problems with manually focussing such a lens.
@@KarinMajokaperfectly socially acceptable in most German cities right? I visited a few German cities a few weeks ago but unfortunately didn't get to talk to more people.
I love the m10 p series so much that I also got the monochrome version in addition. I started shooting film this year with a Nikon FM as I already had 3 ais lenses so a less expensive start in learning film which I develop/scan at home. I'm thinking when I have black and white film loaded I'll also bring the m10 p for color if needed. If I'm using color film I will bring the m10m. I think an m6 may be in my future because I'm loving the film experience.
About the shutter sound: I believe Leica changed it to become much more silent in the M10-R. I also have the M10, and you are right. It is a bit clunky and noticeable. But it is a nice sound though, and if you don't shoot much street, it doesn't really matter. Karin, think of it as your "Harley Davidson" designed cool Leica-designed sound ;-) I think it kind of flattering for your subjects to be depicted with the Harley Davidson of street photography 😀
For years, the Leica M6 was my favorite 35mm rangefinder camera. I looked forward to Leica producing an ergonomically similar digital rangefinder that accepted my M-mount lenses. The M10 looked like it would meet my needs. I had planned on using the M10 for digital color images. I had planned to continue using the M6 for B&W film images. However, my first Leica M10 I bought was so defective that Leica gave me a full refund for it. My second M10 was also defective. Based on my bad experiences with the M10, I concluded that the M10 was not as well-made as my M6 and I could never depend on it for reliable shooting.
Nice video, great arguments. The M10-R has a more silent shutter compared to the M10. I do not have M6 and no longer shoot film, shot enough film since the early ‘80s!
Yes, the silent shutter on the R and P would actually be a great argument to upgrade! When my M10 was at Wetzlar for repair I actually asked what a shutter upgrade to the silent shutter would cost... sadly it wasn't really worth it for me for the price, but I have to admit that I was pretty tempted.
Great video about the similarities and differences :) I almost stopped shooting film (Leicaflex SL), but i miss it sometimes, but its so damn expensive that Leica looks cheap now ! :)
Thanks for your comment Anders. :) I love film too much to stop entirely, but I also feel the price raise and sometimes think twice about if something is "worth" beging shot on film
Cool video! I do something similar. I use my M3 for film and my Sony A7s for digital. I have an M-mount adapter for the Sony so I share the same lenses between the two.
They turned the shutter-time wheel after M6, and that confuses me every time I switch between M6 and M10. Otherwise it is almost the same experience. The screen on the M10 doesn't distract me, I forget that it is there when I'm shooting at an event like e.g. a wedding - then I'm too much in the situation and have no time to look at screen. However if I photograph nature scenes, I use a tripod and compose and control the exposure via the screen. The M6 I prefer when shooting street - that is almost like a sport, and then I feel that a digital camera is like cheating :-)
Maybe Leica should implement a "GF2"-Mode for the LCD. On my little beloved Panasonic there is no way to have a "real" preview when light is coming from the "wrong" direction. To frame there is enough from identifiable up to imaginable, the rest is left for having fun while "developing" the RAWs later... . Yes I know - there is an EVF which I don't have and won't buy at the called prices. Would be different if I get a GX1 which is insanley priced too... BTW: where is a Leica MFT with a b/w sensor version? Would sell like hot cakes...
Love that commitment to film, kudos for sticking to film only! Stealing the partner's camera every now and then is a must though, so good that there is a backup Q3 haha.
@@rakshithappaiahhs4186 for more than 10 years I just had my M6 and an old 50mm Summicron. Worked and saved up hard for them when I was 20y old. In the end gear doesn’t rly matter. Enjoy what you have, a new shiny lens or camera doesn’t rly make you a better photographer after all 😊
@@KarinMajoka yeah one reason to sell the M11 was to found that Q3 for him. He isn’t that much into photography as I am but always wanted to get a Q. So now we can both shoot together ❤️
Almost same here. I started with film over 50 years ago. Went completely digital 13 years ago when I became a wedding photographer. This will be my last year shooting weddings. Then going 100% film. More specifically b&w film. I have a few Nikon film cameras but later this year getting an MP and a black repainted M2
That was a great comparison about your experience, great video! I wish I would use my M6 and M9 more often but having to small kids I use my Nikon Zf and lately X100VI simply because I can’t manual focus fast enough 😅 Keep up the great work und Grüße aus dem Süden / Esslingen (bei Stuttgart) :)
Thanks so much for your comment and viele Grüße in den Süden. :) Fair enough, especially when wanting to shoot wide open, an autofocus camera with face-detection is probably the better choice for fast moving subjects like kids. ☺️ I actually sold my X100V to a friend who recently became a dad, I think it's a great snapshot camera for these kind of family and everyday situations.
Since (almost) bankrupting myself with buying an M11, I primarily shot black and white with my M6. At first because I love it to develop by myself and at second because Colorfilm is disproportionate / insanely expensive. A used M11 equals roughly 220 developed rolls of Portra 800 (for me 2-3 years of shooting). At least this was my “Milchmädchenrechnung” to justify the M11 purchase 😂
Honestly, this "Milchmädchenrechnung" (aka "girl math" equation) is pretty shocking if you think about it since 220 rolls are really not a lot. I shoot roughly 60-80 rolls a year, so I would have reared an M11 in three years already haha. I actually really like your system of shooting primarily black and white film - if I ever run out of the film I already have one day, I might actually do the same.
I'm a bit more extreme. When I shoot film then I want the full mechanical experience from vintage cameras (60s and earlier). When I shoot digital then I want all the benefits of modern technology: EVF, eye detection, video, IBIS, focus bracketing and so on.
After shooting film, Leica M3 & Nikon F2, for most of my photography the acquisition of a Leica MD 262 changed the way I now shoot. The biggest reason is the cost of film, optical prints, premium scans, flash drives and shipping costs that are over $100 a roll! The MD262 satisfies my experience of film but shooting digital also. Having a camera that shoots like film with a digital soul. I`d think you'll love the MD262! I did have a chance to visit my daughter and son in law in the Netherlands in May 2024. I used my Nikon F2 and four rolls of film. Luckily I managed to avoid X-Ray screening and customs was gracious enough to hand check the film. My next vacation will be in Italy where I`ll take the Leica MD 262...!
The M D versions intrigue me a lot, given that I enjoy the pure experience of shooting without the temptation of a LCD screen, and the handling of the classic Leica M bodies.
I would NEVER put serious money into a battery dependent camera. I shoot with mechanical cameras and only buy old classic digital SLR Nikons for my digital shooting using manual focus Nikkor AIS lenses. I've shot for 50 years and learned the hard lessons. I love photography more than ever but will not tolerate depending on electronic cameras.
Lovely video again Karin! Iam also a Hybrid Leica "shooter". Leica M4, M6, M8 and M(type 240). So have the best of both worlds. The Kodak CCD-sensor in the M8 comes very close to film actually.
What a great arsenal, thanks for sharing! I know the M8 is beautiful and the colors are unmatched on any other digital camera. I actually bought an M8 before getting the M10 but sadly the M8 was not for (as an only digital camera at least) so I returned it and got the M10 after some more saving up
funny thing that I just realize is that I think only German will answer the question "störe ich?" with "ja" 😂😂. Then with a nice "but it's not bad, so don't worry". I think almost all the other culture would answer "no". Only German mindset is "yes, you are technically interrupting me, but it's okay"🤣🤣
There are enough germans which would answer "a bit more" polite like "nur ein bisschen" or "nein, nicht wirklich" 😆. So the answer shows Karins personality as my answer does mine. But at least in germany no one is offended by that. BTW: the best answer would have been "jetzt erst recht"
Hahahhaa, I honestly did not realize that this interaction is so funny to others before reading all these comments about it 😂 I am just a bit too honest sometimes. I guess it's a mixture of being a bit of a "German thing" but also... just being me 😂
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Very nice, creative video! I just got an M10 to complement my Q3. I usually shoot with my Q3 in manual mode, but I find the M10 makes you slow down even more. And of course, more lenses!
I only recently discovered your channel and have enjoyed very much the few videos that I have watched so far. This particular video is very interesting for me. having grown up in an analogue age where the only option was film and in particular black and white due to costs. It is interesting how in the modern era people try to compare film and digital. To me they are different experiences but having grown up with film my attitude towards using digital camera still is grounded from using a film camera. I think the user needs to slow down in a digital age and think about the craft and not focus too much on the modern technological advancements. It is of course great to have a digital camera like you mentioned that gives an experience close to that of a film camera. I was interested in the your comment about the Q that you used and how you felt it was more of a digital camera. At present I have the Q2 and the Q2M but keep thinking about getting a M11 but I have never used a rangefinder camera before. Thanks for the great videos Karin and look forward to watching more.
Great comparison. My current M is the M10-D, and it is a dream. Not having a screen or buttons on the back makes for a much better ergonomic experience. Nice thing is you can always pop the Visoflex on if you really need a screen. Only one thing would make the M10-D perfect would be if it was black paint.
At the beginning of my career in the news I had a plastic autofocus camera (which I still have), and after a couple years or so of heavy usage I broke the shutter (and that wasn't my only camera). I managed to replace the shutter back then despite the camera being discontinued so it's still a new shutter inside, in contrast to the camera which looks like it went thru hell and back, what she did. Now, with a guarantee of at least 150000 actuations for that particular camera, we are talking about 4000 rolls of film, easy. Just saying...
I also have the M6 and M10 (with thumb rest). Since I like to process my own film, I use the M6 for BW photos and the M10 for color. I like both cameras very much, but I also enjoy medium format film as well.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I appreciate it! Using one for color and one for black and white is actually a really nice system. I still have a lot of color film in my fridge but in case I ever run out (hopefully in many many years and not too soon) I also considered to only shoot black and white film and do color on digital.
The Rollei 35 is a fantastic camera. I have shot one for years. The lens is fantastic and talk about a quiet unassuming camera. You will love it. Will really teach you to judge distance.
I owned both the M6 and M10 but ended some selling the M10. As a street photographer the one thing I really disliked about the m10 was how loud the shutter was. Compare this to the M6 where the shutter is barely audible by others. I have, however, heard that the m10-p shutter is much quieter.
Oh yes, I see you on this one! I actually thought about upgrading my M10 to the silent shutter, but sadly it's just too expensive. If I ever upgrade to an M10P or M10R the shutter sounds would be the only reason.
I agree with every point you had to make! In then end I sold my M10 but this was purely because I decided to dedicate myself to film only. The M10 itself is great but if I do get another digital Leica again it will be a P,D or even M11.
Thanks for your comment Alex, I truly respect your dedicating and commitment to shooting film only! I feel like we have swapped places, since you were shooting the M10 and I was shooting purely film like 2 years ago haha.
very good video! I use Digital, more and more. The convenience! The cost! BW, I develop and scan, color negative at lab. Film has a look! Not better, simply different. I could never afford a Digital Leica. My M's are film and old.! I was a pro, mainly photojournalist, so lots of other cameras! SLR in Nikon-F, F3, etc. Lots of Pentax SP and K series. But now, my age, the Phone camera the best! Enjoyed video. Bravo.
In the UK Kodak Portra 400 is £89 for 5 rolls and £12 a roll to scan. £29 a roll, £145 a 5 pack to shoot and process. It’s very expensive, but the results are great. I’m saving most of my 35mm film for people and events now, and using my Leica Q3 for day to day pictures! My Nikon 35Ti is much smaller to pack than my Leica, has onboard flash, but hates the rain!
As I love to go out shooting, actually I nearly never leave the house without a camera … I like to take digital and film cameras with me, sometimes like today even three… the M240, the M4p and a Hasselblad 500c/m, whereas the M6 is mostly left at home… it’s actually not my favourite Leica M at all… although it offers light meter. Anyway I was very surprised when I did some fun test shooting and compared the portra 400 with digital … great dynamics, rich in details as well as wonderful colours. Hard to achieve similar results on digital, although there are certain presets for LR, but on print… still the film results are more kind of pleasing. Yes the M10 shutter sound is a joke, here I definitely prefer the M240 or even the M8 - which I use for monochrome mostly… Always good light!
Personal experience: Started with a M6, and then added an M9 to the kit. More recently added a M10-M to the collection. For me, between the M6 and M9 are seamless. Probably because the M9 requires, or rather rewards, you to be slow and deliberate. The M10-m is a great modern Leica and you can still shoot it slow, but it's more "effortless" compare to the M6 and M9. If that makes sense. Photography has this effort/ reward effect for me.
I still try to convince myself that I don’t need a Leica rangefinder at all. 😅 But in the end it is maybe more a question of wanting and not needing. 😂 For compensating gas I bought a Voigtlander Bessa R and later on also a Canon P rangefinder. That is good enough for me to not want the Leoca M6 (at the moment), but a digital Rangefinder Leica is a one in a Kind experience. So if I had to choose in my situation the M10 would be the choice. But the M6 and then in Titan is definitely more beautiful. 😊
I guess us photographers can easily trick ourselves into thinking we "need" something... but I think your comment nails it actually, because most times it's more about wanting and not as much about needing 😬 Thanks for your comment, I hope you will manage to stay strong with current setup for a while :)
I love shooting my M10, but I recently bought a Leica MP Chrome (2021). Used it for a few months and realize my love for film, decided to trade in my M10 for a Leica MP Black Paint instead.
Great video. I’m really getting into your channel! I don’t have a film M and, having bought an M11, I have no money left to buy one. My film rangefinder is a Ricoh 500G which feels like a clockwork toy next to the Leica but has a good lens and as I’ve had it since 1979 I can use it pretty much without thinking. I’ve largely stopped using film though. It’s just too expensive and as I don’t have a darkroom I have to scan and then work on the image on the computer. It’s easier to cut out the middle step and just keep everything digital. I’ll have to try Dehancer though. At the moment I’m using Classic Presets which are pretty good.
I shoot M10M and was thinking of going back to Leica iiig. I shoot mostly landscapes but what you see as a negative of overshooting - I look at as one of the biggest pluses of digital. I can spend an hour on a scene with different compositions. Come home and pics that I thought were going to be great - weren't - but others were. I would also have a hard time giving up the convenience of editing images right after a fun shoot. Instead of waiting until my roll of film is gone.
Nice comparison. I feel like we're very similarly minded. I have the M4 and M10. I love shooting both but make the decision to shoot like you. Sometimes I just want to shoot film. Sometimes I want a faster turnaround. I love them both. Also similar issues. I didn't mind the M10 as-is but I do like the thumb grip I added and I wish the shutter were a little quieter. I think my main issue with the M10 is that I feel drunk all the time. I seem to struggle shooting level. 🤔I've only had it a few weeks so I'm sure I'll figure it out but it's crazy. I swear I'm "perfectly" level and I look at the camera and I took a picture of the leaning tower of Pisa.
M10 and a 28mm lens would be my ideal street camera. Being in Canada though, that would be over 10K for me. So I am good with Sony and voightlander e mount lenses.
I own a beautiful black Leica M9. It is a wonderful camera. I love it for many of the reasons that you mention with your M10. Sadly, I no longer shoot film. I do still own a Canon Canonete QL17 film rangefinder. But, since film is so expensive, I hardly ever shoot with it. I rather shoot with my M9 and make prints if I want physical photographs. Thanks for another great video!
The M9 is known to be one of the most iconic digital cameras, I heard the files look amazing due to the CCD sensor. And I get why film might not be an interesting option for everybody due to the raising prices. Since I still feed from my stock I have in my fridge and since I develop (mostly) myself I am luckily good for the next few years. :)
Great video Karin! I'm a hybrid shooter like you. M10 and my father's M2 and a few others as well. Switching between the M's is very easy like you said. I also felt like the M10 wasn't as discreet as the M2 even though the M2 is bright silver. I think it's the giant red dot on the black body that stands out so much, I put a little black gaffer's tape over it and now I don't feel like I stand out as much. The M10 is my daily driver but the M2 is never far away.
yes, I love the 'hybrid' workflow, I have a Hassy H1, with film backs too, so one body for both!, a boon to this is that if I am unsure of light, just switch backs, and use the histogram of the digital back, esp. if B&W is in the film back, then I can switch out and do colour too.
Good evening Karin, interesting and honest comparison. My experience is M7 and M10M. M7 bought new over 20 years ago, and M10M recently new (to me). I have always been a fan of aperture priority, so both are perfectly similar and therefore interchangeable. Muscle memory as you say. Now sound wise they both are discreet, I think the M10M is quieter than your version. Now for years I have liked the artisan and artist half case for the M7 for its thinness and softness to the touch. I recently added the artisan and artist M10 half case to the M10M. To me it is acceptable and soft to the touch, which I appreciate. May be you should give it a try. I won't comment on use case as we are all different!
Hello Karin, for me M10 is more joyful to use than most of mirrorless digital cameras. It is simple and imperfect in exposure metering, which is on pair with 1970s film cameras, but it is predictable after practicing.
Like what you are doing Karin! Keep going. Don't feel guilty about using digital, looking at the screen or eating alone either! Eating alone is cheaper and so is digital! Old Terry x
I feel like the 10 might also be less “discreet” because of the red dot in black, which feels more contrasting than the red dot on the titanium finish. That’s how it feels through a screen at least.
Karin, i had love/hate relationship with m10 leather case. I find that if you put some small magnet on the right place between the camera and case you can skip the bottom plate and so feels camera less bulky with the case.
Tolles neues Intro und sehr schöner Vergleich der beiden Systeme. Die alte Dame war ja süß. „Stör ich ?“ - „Ja..is aber nich schlimm…“ Ich hab immer noch Tränen vor lauter Lachen in den Augen😂😂😂 Bitte auch mehr Content aus der Serie „Karin und die Kanadagänse“ 😊
Vielen Dank für den Kommentar! :) Jaja, ich bin da manchmal wohl etwas zu ehrlich 😂 "Karin und die Kanadagänse" klingt doch mal wie ein guter Titel für eine Dokuserie 😂 Herrlich!
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was good to hear the pros and cons. Overall, it sounds like it was a positive experience for you to get the M10. 👍🎞️📷
I have the exact same half case for my M10, and I enjoy the fact that it is well protected and quickly got adjusted to the feel of the camera. Also I developed the habit of not always checking the shots on the screen and totally agree with you. It's nice to have the possibility when I am unsure of the lighting conditions or otherwise. I also enjoy the slow down and not "overshoot" like you mentioned. But it is the closest I get to the analogue experience and feels tactile very homely. I later bought the M3 and had the reverse experience: It felt very homely ;-)
I sometimes use the half case on itself (without the screen protector) too. I don't know why, but that flap just makes it extra bulky and less comfortable in my hands for some reason. And thanks for sharing your experiences! :)
Try a camera who has the best of both worlds (Analogue and digital) : The Nikon F6 (sold between 2004-2020) is a Film camera not developed for professionals but for film connisseurs. It has auto winder/rewinder for film, a TTL Phase Detection Autofocus (11 zone) system [the Nikon Multi-CAM2000 autofocus module, same a in the DSLR the Nikon D2X]. Selectable AF Area Modes: Single Area AF, Dynamic AF, Group Dynamic AF or Dynamic AF with Closest-Subject Priority. Etc…
Thanks for the recommendation, I appreciate it! :) However, for me the Nikon F6 is honestly not really as interesting. I want a digital camera that feels as close as possible to a film camera and not a film camera that feels more like a digital camera. The more automated modes it has, the less interesting it usually is for me. I have a Contax G1 and even though it's a beautiful camera, I almost never use it (and am in the process of selling it) since I simply don't enjoy film cameras with autofocus (unless it's a point and shoot camera). So, I was pretty surprised that the automatic shutter mode on the M10 is actually something I use.
Hi Karin! Would that be the 28mm color-skopar type I that I noticed on your M6? If so, how are you enjoying the lens (ergonomically speaking let's say)? I'm eyeing one for my M camera as well as it's the only 28mm from Voigtlander that supposedly has a 0.7m minimal focus, whereas the other Voigtlander 28mm lenses tend to have a MFD of 0.5m which doesn't sit too well with Leica M film cameras. U very much enjoy this video of yours. Super fun and creative person you are. Take good care of yourself...and the M6...and the M10...and the person recording you too. ;)
Hi Brian, thank you for your comment, I appreciate it a lot. :) It's a 28mm lens on my Leica M6 but not a Voigtländer one actually but the TTArtisan 28mm F5.6. It's a rather slow lens and has that "focusing handle" instead of a proper focusing tab but overall I like it due to the small size and portability. I haven't used any 28mm Voigtländer lenses so far, so sadly I cannot say much about them. But I understand your problem with the minimum focusing distance! I returned the 35mm Ultron because it was just too annoying to have this "dead space" in the viewfinder in that close focusing range.
Hello back to Düsseldorf! I acquired an M10-R recently when I relaized I wouldn't shoot film as intuitively and low-threshold as I always did - mainly due to film prices. While on 135 it will be gone, I will remain faithful to film on large format 4x5". My combination will thus be the M10-R for the more frequent explorative shooting and the Linhof Master Technika for slow, meditative image making. I think this combination serves me well; I like both kinds of experience and the cameras get a long perfectly, sometimes even sharing one backpack! 🙂
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experiences! Actually, using digital on a more fast-paced everyday basis while staying true to film in large format sounds like an ideal combination to me! I also shoot 4x5" but use it for dedicated projects and this is still the most meditative and conscious way of photography for me.
I used to be extremely opposed to the screen, but in my search for something small but capable I bought the Ricoh GRIII. Luckily I really got into enjoying the LCD experience. Now because the GR is with me most often, I will even forget to use the EVF on my other cameras. Even on sunny days I catch myself squinting at the back screen, before I think "oh yeah, I have a solution for this." 😂
I have to agree with you regarding the shutter, my M-P (Typ240) reminds me of a 1980's compact camera shutter noise and is not discreet at all. Cannot understand with technology as it is today why Leica haven't managed to get their digital shutters to sound like the film rangefinders.
The shutter sound of the M10 is actually really beautiful... but just a bit too loud for my taste. A friend of mine has the M240 (not the M-P though) and I remember it to be even a bit louder than the M10
@@jr8440 true that😂 I just came back from a 10 week roadtrip through Europe. Shot the whole trip on my 7 years old Fujifilm XT2. The trip incl food, gas, pleasures, campgrounds etc cost less than a used Leica lens. I think we should all shoot with what we have. Learn to love the camera and spend the money on trips, adventures etc instead, when we're all old we won't remember our expensive new gear we bought in our youth but we will remember the adventures.
Great comparison Karin! I am a hybrid shooter: M4 for film and X100F for digital. I hope the M10 is somewhere in my future. The main reason for switching from Fuji to Leica for digital would be having almost the same camera in both cases. It's the 'muscle memory' you talked about. And also being able to use the same lenses for digital and film. Grüße aus der USA.
Vielen Dank! :) That's also a pretty nice setup! The X100F is great, if I ever find one for an affordable price I might actually get it as a small pocketable EDC camera.
Ah man.... feeling sad watching this, my M9 finally gave up on the sensor, so it's no more. Really missing that camera a lot! And if that wasn't bad enough, my Fuji X-Pro1 shutter failed at the weekend too. :/ Great video as always though Karin. Keep pushing :)
Ohhh no, what a bummer! Two cameras dying at the same time, so sorry to hear about that! Hope you will find a worthy replacement though! And thanks for your kind words. :)
interesting take, I am a hybrid shooter as well, Canon new F-1 and a Fujifilm X-T30II I can't afford a Leica lol but am happy with both of them, usually I am always carrying both cameras since they fuji is so small and depending on the scene and how I want to capture it I decide if I shoot digital or analog or sometimes even both
Great to hear your experiences shooting two cameras designed to be almost the same but in different mediums. I shoot both digital and film. I shoot with nikons, D810, D780 (FX digital) and an FM3a (mechanical film camera). I mention that because the cameras are totally different and the experience shooting them is totally different. When I try to shoot both digital and film at the same time I just end up shooting digital. But making the deliberate decision to just shoot film produces a different, maybe more mindful process, from vision to capture. I think much of that is camera driven, so it's interesting to see how it works for you.
Thanks for your comment! Really interesting to hear about your experience. As I also said in the video the photographer alone is responsible for how she/he shoots - but I think some camera interfaces really enhance a specific shooting style so in the end influence how we shoot with it. So it's interesting to hear you mostly shoot digital when having both options at the same time. :)
Great to hear your thoughts around this Karin. I too am use Hybrid setup with M6, M11Mono and a Q2: with my main thinking similar to yours about using film for special/specific projects/events. However, I have certainly not shot my M6 very much at all mainly down to the cost of film and processing etc…. I love it but it is certainly an investment in money and time!
Thanks for sharing your setup and your experience! :) Interesting to hear you seem to have a similar strategy! I love film development actually (I hate scanning though...) but sometimes I just don't get around to doing it timely after a shoot. I still have many undeveloped rolls from summer last year, so if I know I need the results more timely I just shoot the M10.
Have only recently found your channel and really enjoy it. Thanks for an informative and entertaining video. I use an M10-R and am tempted by the M6 for film. Couldn't afford both though, so losing the digital M might be too much of a wrench :) I shoot film every day, but on an old Nikon and a Spotmatic. The M6 rangefinder would add a lot I think to the film experience.
Thanks so much for watching the videos, I appreciate it! :) I totally get that temptation for the M6, especially if you have a digital M already. However, the M6 also leads to me neglecting my other film cameras even though my Nikon F3 or Pentax Mx would deserve some more love too. So enjoy the time with your Nikon and Spotmatic as long as you can before an M6 moves in eventually haha
I have not devised a system for when to shoot digital vs Leica. I use the MP film camera and M10-P but since I don't shoot really professionally but more as a hobby, I tend to shoot both in tandem. I do small photoshoots with family/my spouse or streetphotography or as a daily documenting tool but there's no system at all. I really wish I had a system but since I develop and scan at home myself, I don't really need to think about it. There are times when I shoot both cameras, maybe one M10-P with a 50 Lux and the MP with a 35mm Cron to distinguish the outcomes but again, no system. I do try to vary composition between the two if I shoot at the same time but not religiously. Daily, I might carry the MP with me or the M10-P, no rhyme or reason. I did want to add that I bought a thums up rest for my M10-P but I actually didn't like it. Having no grip on is kind of tactile reminder that I'm shooting digital vs film also and I prefer the slender feel of the M10-P; my camera also came with a hotshoe cover so I don't have to worry about dust gathering there. I like your general idea of using film for more "special" occasions, for important subjects so that means you shoot digital as a documenting tool to save on cost. I may borrow that idea.
Interesting to hear that I am not the only one with no system. I would not stress about it too much to be honest, if the "no system"-system works for you, that's actually all to ask for. Also, it can be freeing to just decide on the spot and whatever feel right in that moment.
I thought you would mention ISO when deciding which camera to take. Maybe winter in germany was not so dark this year after all :) I find myself often wanting to shoot indoors scenes, or after 18:00, where a high ISO would really help, but then if I have a film camera with me, if it's loaded with slow film I'm pretty screwed. Of course, I will sometimes push, but then you have to consider what other pictures are on the same roll, etc.
Oh yeah, good point I could have mentioned it too! So yes, for lower light situations (at least when shooting handheld) the M10 is also in action more often than M6. But I still like to shoot long exposures with a tripod on film :)
Hi Karin! Thanks for the video and was looking forward to this comparison. I myself have only film Leicas and have been thinking about adding a digital M but haven’t just yet. What are your thoughts on the digital v film experience eg. Overexposing or underexposing for highlights? I feel this would bother me for some reason
Thanks for your comment! :) Good questions, I actually wanted to include this topic in the video too but somehow forgot (which probably already indicates that it's not such a big topic for me). I simply put my exposure compensation to around -0,3 as a default and never had any problems with overexposure
I’ve been shooting with the Pixii range finder camera for about a year now. It’s a digital range finder with Leica M mount but without any LCD. It’s made by a small company from France. Only downside is that’s it’s not a full frame sensor. But maybe it’s a camera you might be interested in.
I actually got an ad on a UA-cam video about the Pixie the other day and also got really curious! So thanks for the recommendation, I think I will do some more research about it. Only having an APSC sensor (and mainly shooting a 35mm lens) this might be a dealbreaker for me though...
Yes, Hybrid, Leica M2 & M9 with the same 2 lenses, a 35 & 50mm Summicrons. Light and compact, the only decision is film or digital or both 😊 Thanks Karin
I've been shooting an MP for over 10 yrs now and I had an opportunity to purchase an M10 last year but I got an M6 instead. I think I'm indifferent when it comes to digital Leica Ms. I do like the SL line though. Thanks for the video
Good for you, everybody has different preferences and I understand that the M6 is hard to resist! :) And I think the MP and the M6 also go really really well together! I haven't tried out any SL cameras yet, but I have heard good things.
thank you for posting. Been toying with the idea of adding a digital M to my M6. At the moment, I am leaning towards waiting for the M11 to come down in price. Gives me time to save money for it, and maybe for a proper Leica lens. I like the M10 also, but by the time I save the money, the cost of an M11 might be the same as the M10 today. Only concern would be the status of my eyesight a few years from now.
Thanks for your comment! :) That sounds like a good plan! Even though I have no idea how long it would take to get the M11 prices down to the current M10 prices. The Leica M10 is from 2017, so already 7 years old, let's hope it won't take as long for the M11 to drop in price haha.
I just got an m10-p and I can relate. I wanted to find what I shoot with what, and it is a bit like you. I also decided to shoot more B&W with the m6 this year and have the m10 be the color little buddy. Love your larger leather strap in this video too! What is it?
Interesting, love the idea of separating between color and black and white with both cameras. :) The strap I use is from Wotancraft - I have the Peak Design version but it's also available with regular O-rings. :)
I shoot both digital and film; I come from the days when there was no choice, although there were film decisions to make. For several years I had an ongoing debate in my head about committing to film or giving it up entirely. Add to this, I have medium format cameras I like to use, too. The best way for me to deal with all these choices is to assign specific projects to certain cameras, including film choice when applicable, so there is consistency throughout a series.
Thanks so much for your comment, I appreciate it! I think the idea of assigning cameras (and film) to specific projects is actually pretty interesting, thanks for the inspiration! :)
What a fun video, It's fun and creative in so many ways, as well as informative on your experience, thanks. M10D is sexy indeed. I am barely touching my M6, came from M9-P to M11, it rocks the world a lot, don't need to think about metering and manual compensation as much, and yeah using manual shutter priority at times and the camera does the rest, so easy.
Thanks for your kind words, I appreciate it a lot! Yeah, I totally understand why sticking to your digitals Ms is more convenient. I love film too much to give it up, but I have to admit that it's great to have a digital option that feels so close to home. :)
cool was du machst, ich habe nach vielen digital M‘s eine MP gekauft, lass uns doch gerne in DUS einmal zusammen shooten, ich würde gerne ausprobieren welcher Film am besten zu meinem Noctilux 0.95 passt… liebe Grüße Dein Markus, Kö66
Really nice comparison, actually the shutter sound is one of the reasons why I really don't like using the Bessa 2a that much. I have to agree though that I more often take the M240 rather than the M6 just because to have a camera.
Hallo Karin, wie immer tolles Video! Ich habe auch zunächst mit meiner M6 fotografiert. Dann echt günstig an eine M9 zum üben gekommen. Nun nutze ich überwiegend die M9 als tolle „analoge“ Kamera. Also - best of both worlds 👍 Viele Grüße aus der Pfalz
Womit man gerade fotografiert, hängt vom Verwendungszweck ab - zumindest bei mir. Ist es nur für mich, dann kann ich auch Film verwenden, solls zwingend Digital und vielleicht auch noch für Dritte sein, dann eben gleich mit einer Digitalkamera. Leica besitze ich so nicht, aber gönne sie jeden und jeder, die sie hat und damit gerne fotografiert.
Thank you for watching! What are your thoughts: Are the Leica M6 and Leica M10 same same but different? And once again thank you to Dehancer for supporting my channel with this collaboration. In case you want to try out Dehancer to colour grade your images and footage, there is a free trial available. But if you like Dehancer and want to buy any of the licenses, you can use the code KARINMAJOKA to get 10% off your purchase.
What do you even mean? One is a film camera, other is a digital camera. How are they supposed to be same?
@@kubowich they ARE, just in control layout, and the bottom plate design, also you use the SAME lens selection, film or digital, so you can have the same look, but taking an eg further, if you shoot say a Noctilux 0.95 you technically have a better hit rate on the M-10 as the LV and focus peaking negates to some degree the shallow dof, and problems with manually focussing such a lens.
"Stör ich?" - "Ja?"
My favorite interaction in a UA-cam video this week 😂
Well... I might be a bit too honest sometimes 😂😅
@@KarinMajoka you did pivot well after that initial "yes" but the speed and directness made me laugh 😂
@@KarinMajokaperfectly socially acceptable in most German cities right? I visited a few German cities a few weeks ago but unfortunately didn't get to talk to more people.
Lovely piece - thanks for sharing !
I love the m10 p series so much that I also got the monochrome version in addition. I started shooting film this year with a Nikon FM as I already had 3 ais lenses so a less expensive start in learning film which I develop/scan at home. I'm thinking when I have black and white film loaded I'll also bring the m10 p for color if needed. If I'm using color film I will bring the m10m. I think an m6 may be in my future because I'm loving the film experience.
About the shutter sound: I believe Leica changed it to become much more silent in the M10-R. I also have the M10, and you are right. It is a bit clunky and noticeable. But it is a nice sound though, and if you don't shoot much street, it doesn't really matter. Karin, think of it as your "Harley Davidson" designed cool Leica-designed sound ;-) I think it kind of flattering for your subjects to be depicted with the Harley Davidson of street photography 😀
For years, the Leica M6 was my favorite 35mm rangefinder camera. I looked forward to Leica producing an ergonomically similar digital rangefinder that accepted my M-mount lenses. The M10 looked like it would meet my needs. I had planned on using the M10 for digital color images. I had planned to continue using the M6 for B&W film images.
However, my first Leica M10 I bought was so defective that Leica gave me a full refund for it. My second M10 was also defective. Based on my bad experiences with the M10, I concluded that the M10 was not as well-made as my M6 and I could never depend on it for reliable shooting.
Nice video, great arguments. The M10-R has a more silent shutter compared to the M10. I do not have M6 and no longer shoot film, shot enough film since the early ‘80s!
Yes, the silent shutter on the R and P would actually be a great argument to upgrade! When my M10 was at Wetzlar for repair I actually asked what a shutter upgrade to the silent shutter would cost... sadly it wasn't really worth it for me for the price, but I have to admit that I was pretty tempted.
Great video about the similarities and differences :) I almost stopped shooting film (Leicaflex SL), but i miss it sometimes, but its so damn expensive that Leica looks cheap now ! :)
Thanks for your comment Anders. :) I love film too much to stop entirely, but I also feel the price raise and sometimes think twice about if something is "worth" beging shot on film
Cool video! I do something similar. I use my M3 for film and my Sony A7s for digital. I have an M-mount adapter for the Sony so I share the same lenses between the two.
Great setup! Especially since the Sony is full-frame, it's a pretty good match. :)
They turned the shutter-time wheel after M6, and that confuses me every time I switch between M6 and M10. Otherwise it is almost the same experience. The screen on the M10 doesn't distract me, I forget that it is there when I'm shooting at an event like e.g. a wedding - then I'm too much in the situation and
have no time to look at screen. However if I photograph nature scenes, I use a tripod and compose and control the exposure via the screen. The M6 I prefer when shooting street - that is almost like a sport, and then I feel that a digital camera is like cheating :-)
Maybe Leica should implement a "GF2"-Mode for the LCD. On my little beloved Panasonic there is no way to have a "real" preview when light is coming from the "wrong" direction. To frame there is enough from identifiable up to imaginable, the rest is left for having fun while "developing" the RAWs later... . Yes I know - there is an EVF which I don't have and won't buy at the called prices. Would be different if I get a GX1 which is insanley priced too... BTW: where is a Leica MFT with a b/w sensor version? Would sell like hot cakes...
awesome!!
Just got an M3 and sold my M11. Together with my MP, I am analog-only now 😎 (but still can use my husbands Q3 😄)
Phew that’s a lot of dough.
I wish I could do that
Still with my M6 + 35mm cron
Trying to buy a 50mm cron from ages😭😭
Love that commitment to film, kudos for sticking to film only! Stealing the partner's camera every now and then is a must though, so good that there is a backup Q3 haha.
@@rakshithappaiahhs4186 for more than 10 years I just had my M6 and an old 50mm Summicron. Worked and saved up hard for them when I was 20y old.
In the end gear doesn’t rly matter. Enjoy what you have, a new shiny lens or camera doesn’t rly make you a better photographer after all 😊
@@KarinMajoka yeah one reason to sell the M11 was to found that Q3 for him. He isn’t that much into photography as I am but always wanted to get a Q. So now we can both shoot together ❤️
Almost same here. I started with film over 50 years ago. Went completely digital 13 years ago when I became a wedding photographer. This will be my last year shooting weddings. Then going 100% film. More specifically b&w film. I have a few Nikon film cameras but later this year getting an MP and a black repainted M2
That was a great comparison about your experience, great video!
I wish I would use my M6 and M9 more often but having to small kids I use my Nikon Zf and lately X100VI simply because I can’t manual focus fast enough 😅
Keep up the great work und Grüße aus dem Süden / Esslingen (bei Stuttgart) :)
Thanks so much for your comment and viele Grüße in den Süden. :) Fair enough, especially when wanting to shoot wide open, an autofocus camera with face-detection is probably the better choice for fast moving subjects like kids. ☺️ I actually sold my X100V to a friend who recently became a dad, I think it's a great snapshot camera for these kind of family and everyday situations.
Since (almost) bankrupting myself with buying an M11, I primarily shot black and white with my M6. At first because I love it to develop by myself and at second because Colorfilm is disproportionate / insanely expensive. A used M11 equals roughly 220 developed rolls of Portra 800 (for me 2-3 years of shooting). At least this was my “Milchmädchenrechnung” to justify the M11 purchase 😂
Honestly, this "Milchmädchenrechnung" (aka "girl math" equation) is pretty shocking if you think about it since 220 rolls are really not a lot. I shoot roughly 60-80 rolls a year, so I would have reared an M11 in three years already haha. I actually really like your system of shooting primarily black and white film - if I ever run out of the film I already have one day, I might actually do the same.
I'm a bit more extreme. When I shoot film then I want the full mechanical experience from vintage cameras (60s and earlier). When I shoot digital then I want all the benefits of modern technology: EVF, eye detection, video, IBIS, focus bracketing and so on.
Same here!
After shooting film, Leica M3 & Nikon F2, for most of my photography the acquisition of a Leica MD 262 changed the way I now shoot. The biggest reason is the cost of film, optical prints, premium scans, flash drives and shipping costs that are over $100 a roll! The MD262 satisfies my experience of film but shooting digital also. Having a camera that shoots like film with a digital soul. I`d think you'll love the MD262!
I did have a chance to visit my daughter and son in law in the Netherlands in May 2024. I used my Nikon F2 and four rolls of film. Luckily I managed to avoid X-Ray screening and customs was gracious enough to hand check the film.
My next vacation will be in Italy where I`ll take the Leica MD 262...!
The M D versions intrigue me a lot, given that I enjoy the pure experience of shooting without the temptation of a LCD screen, and the handling of the classic Leica M bodies.
I would NEVER put serious money into a battery dependent camera. I shoot with mechanical cameras and only buy old classic digital SLR Nikons for my digital shooting using manual focus Nikkor AIS lenses. I've shot for 50 years and learned the hard lessons. I love photography more than ever but will not tolerate depending on electronic cameras.
13:40 I don't believe that with you present anyone is noticing the camera :). Thanks, I always appreciate your videos!
hahaha, I am blushing! Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it. :)
Lovely video again Karin! Iam also a Hybrid Leica "shooter". Leica M4, M6, M8 and M(type 240). So have the best of both worlds. The Kodak CCD-sensor in the M8 comes very close to film actually.
What a great arsenal, thanks for sharing! I know the M8 is beautiful and the colors are unmatched on any other digital camera. I actually bought an M8 before getting the M10 but sadly the M8 was not for (as an only digital camera at least) so I returned it and got the M10 after some more saving up
funny thing that I just realize is that I think only German will answer the question "störe ich?" with "ja" 😂😂. Then with a nice "but it's not bad, so don't worry". I think almost all the other culture would answer "no". Only German mindset is "yes, you are technically interrupting me, but it's okay"🤣🤣
There are enough germans which would answer "a bit more" polite like "nur ein bisschen" or "nein, nicht wirklich" 😆. So the answer shows Karins personality as my answer does mine. But at least in germany no one is offended by that. BTW: the best answer would have been "jetzt erst recht"
Hahahhaa, I honestly did not realize that this interaction is so funny to others before reading all these comments about it 😂 I am just a bit too honest sometimes. I guess it's a mixture of being a bit of a "German thing" but also... just being me 😂
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Once again thank you for this collaboration! And thank you for hanging around in the comment section to answer questions :)
I'm a 93% film shooter and the 7% remaining are done on my R-D1, the only digital camera i actually enjoy. So ... yeahhh :o)
Me too. Also I use Kodak DCS 645 digital back on Mamiya body
Very nice, creative video! I just got an M10 to complement my Q3. I usually shoot with my Q3 in manual mode, but I find the M10 makes you slow down even more. And of course, more lenses!
I only recently discovered your channel and have enjoyed very much the few videos that I have watched so far. This particular video is very interesting for me. having grown up in an analogue age where the only option was film and in particular black and white due to costs. It is interesting how in the modern era people try to compare film and digital. To me they are different experiences but having grown up with film my attitude towards using digital camera still is grounded from using a film camera. I think the user needs to slow down in a digital age and think about the craft and not focus too much on the modern technological advancements. It is of course great to have a digital camera like you mentioned that gives an experience close to that of a film camera. I was interested in the your comment about the Q that you used and how you felt it was more of a digital camera. At present I have the Q2 and the Q2M but keep thinking about getting a M11 but I have never used a rangefinder camera before. Thanks for the great videos Karin and look forward to watching more.
Great comparison. My current M is the M10-D, and it is a dream. Not having a screen or buttons on the back makes for a much better ergonomic experience. Nice thing is you can always pop the Visoflex on if you really need a screen. Only one thing would make the M10-D perfect would be if it was black paint.
I like it both. You got the best of both worlds now! 📸. No need to look at any either as a replacement. They can live happily together.
Very well said, totally agree! :)
"Hold my beer" .... said the Leica M11 monochrom
At the beginning of my career in the news I had a plastic autofocus camera (which I still have), and after a couple years or so of heavy usage I broke the shutter (and that wasn't my only camera). I managed to replace the shutter back then despite the camera being discontinued so it's still a new shutter inside, in contrast to the camera which looks like it went thru hell and back, what she did.
Now, with a guarantee of at least 150000 actuations for that particular camera, we are talking about 4000 rolls of film, easy. Just saying...
I also have the M6 and M10 (with thumb rest). Since I like to process my own film, I use the M6 for BW photos and the M10 for color. I like both cameras very much, but I also enjoy medium format film as well.
Thank you for sharing your experience, I appreciate it! Using one for color and one for black and white is actually a really nice system. I still have a lot of color film in my fridge but in case I ever run out (hopefully in many many years and not too soon) I also considered to only shoot black and white film and do color on digital.
M6 for slide, M10 for BNW/Colour
Nice video, which lenses you are using on M10 for street photography?
I started with Fuji but just bought a Rollei 35 SE for the small pocketable size. Can’t wait to play with it
That sounds like a pretty great combo! Have fun trying out your new Rollei. :)
The Rollei 35 is a fantastic camera. I have shot one for years. The lens is fantastic and talk about a quiet unassuming camera. You will love it. Will really teach you to judge distance.
@@jsshayes1 Nice to hear. That’s what I get from reviews. Seems a surprisingly fun camera. I enjoy manual lenses and zone focusing
I use both the m10m and m11m. Great camera. I have no desire to shoot film.
I owned both the M6 and M10 but ended some selling the M10. As a street photographer the one thing I really disliked about the m10 was how loud the shutter was. Compare this to the M6 where the shutter is barely audible by others. I have, however, heard that the m10-p shutter is much quieter.
Oh yes, I see you on this one! I actually thought about upgrading my M10 to the silent shutter, but sadly it's just too expensive. If I ever upgrade to an M10P or M10R the shutter sounds would be the only reason.
Stör' ich? Ja! :)
I am sometimes a bit too honest 😅😂
Nice video. I like your editing! What language did you switch to in the video?
Thank you, I appreciate it! :) We switched to German
I agree with every point you had to make! In then end I sold my M10 but this was purely because I decided to dedicate myself to film only. The M10 itself is great but if I do get another digital Leica again it will be a P,D or even M11.
Thanks for your comment Alex, I truly respect your dedicating and commitment to shooting film only! I feel like we have swapped places, since you were shooting the M10 and I was shooting purely film like 2 years ago haha.
Hoffe du bekommst mal ne M8u oder 8.2 in die Hände...wie Film nur ohne Rollenende
Loving the new intros lately K!
Thank you! Those intros are probably also my favorite part to come up with and shoot. :)
schöne Leicas und dein feiner Humor - tolle Combi ;-)
Vielen Dank für den herzlichen Kommentar. :)
very good video! I use Digital, more and more. The convenience! The cost! BW, I develop and scan, color negative at lab. Film has a look! Not better, simply different. I could never afford a Digital Leica. My M's are film and old.! I was a pro, mainly photojournalist, so lots of other cameras! SLR in Nikon-F, F3, etc. Lots of Pentax SP and K series. But now, my age, the Phone camera the best! Enjoyed video. Bravo.
Once upon a time in the west
In the UK Kodak Portra 400 is £89 for 5 rolls and £12 a roll to scan. £29 a roll, £145 a 5 pack to shoot and process. It’s very expensive, but the results are great. I’m saving most of my 35mm film for people and events now, and using my Leica Q3 for day to day pictures! My Nikon 35Ti is much smaller to pack than my Leica, has onboard flash, but hates the rain!
As I love to go out shooting, actually I nearly never leave the house without a camera … I like to take digital and film cameras with me, sometimes like today even three… the M240, the M4p and a Hasselblad 500c/m, whereas the M6 is mostly left at home… it’s actually not my favourite Leica M at all… although it offers light meter.
Anyway I was very surprised when I did some fun test shooting and compared the portra 400 with digital … great dynamics, rich in details as well as wonderful colours. Hard to achieve similar results on digital, although there are certain presets for LR, but on print… still the film results are more kind of pleasing. Yes the M10 shutter sound is a joke, here I definitely prefer the M240 or even the M8 - which I use for monochrome mostly…
Always good light!
Personal experience: Started with a M6, and then added an M9 to the kit. More recently added a M10-M to the collection. For me, between the M6 and M9 are seamless. Probably because the M9 requires, or rather rewards, you to be slow and deliberate. The M10-m is a great modern Leica and you can still shoot it slow, but it's more "effortless" compare to the M6 and M9. If that makes sense. Photography has this effort/ reward effect for me.
I still try to convince myself that I don’t need a Leica rangefinder at all. 😅
But in the end it is maybe more a question of wanting and not needing. 😂
For compensating gas I bought a Voigtlander Bessa R and later on also a Canon P rangefinder. That is good enough for me to not want the Leoca M6 (at the moment), but a digital Rangefinder Leica is a one in a Kind experience. So if I had to choose in my situation the M10 would be the choice.
But the M6 and then in Titan is definitely more beautiful. 😊
I guess us photographers can easily trick ourselves into thinking we "need" something... but I think your comment nails it actually, because most times it's more about wanting and not as much about needing 😬 Thanks for your comment, I hope you will manage to stay strong with current setup for a while :)
I love shooting my M10, but I recently bought a Leica MP Chrome (2021). Used it for a few months and realize my love for film, decided to trade in my M10 for a Leica MP Black Paint instead.
Interesting transition, actually committing fully to film ans selling the digital M. Thanks for sharing. :)
Great video. I’m really getting into your channel! I don’t have a film M and, having bought an M11, I have no money left to buy one. My film rangefinder is a Ricoh 500G which feels like a clockwork toy next to the Leica but has a good lens and as I’ve had it since 1979 I can use it pretty much without thinking. I’ve largely stopped using film though. It’s just too expensive and as I don’t have a darkroom I have to scan and then work on the image on the computer. It’s easier to cut out the middle step and just keep everything digital. I’ll have to try Dehancer though. At the moment I’m using Classic Presets which are pretty good.
I shoot M10M and was thinking of going back to Leica iiig. I shoot mostly landscapes but what you see as a negative of overshooting - I look at as one of the biggest pluses of digital. I can spend an hour on a scene with different compositions. Come home and pics that I thought were going to be great - weren't - but others were. I would also have a hard time giving up the convenience of editing images right after a fun shoot. Instead of waiting until my roll of film is gone.
Nice comparison. I feel like we're very similarly minded. I have the M4 and M10. I love shooting both but make the decision to shoot like you. Sometimes I just want to shoot film. Sometimes I want a faster turnaround. I love them both. Also similar issues. I didn't mind the M10 as-is but I do like the thumb grip I added and I wish the shutter were a little quieter.
I think my main issue with the M10 is that I feel drunk all the time. I seem to struggle shooting level. 🤔I've only had it a few weeks so I'm sure I'll figure it out but it's crazy. I swear I'm "perfectly" level and I look at the camera and I took a picture of the leaning tower of Pisa.
M10 and a 28mm lens would be my ideal street camera. Being in Canada though, that would be over 10K for me. So I am good with Sony and voightlander e mount lenses.
I own a beautiful black Leica M9. It is a wonderful camera. I love it for many of the reasons that you mention with your M10. Sadly, I no longer shoot film. I do still own a Canon Canonete QL17 film rangefinder. But, since film is so expensive, I hardly ever shoot with it. I rather shoot with my M9 and make prints if I want physical photographs. Thanks for another great video!
The M9 is known to be one of the most iconic digital cameras, I heard the files look amazing due to the CCD sensor. And I get why film might not be an interesting option for everybody due to the raising prices. Since I still feed from my stock I have in my fridge and since I develop (mostly) myself I am luckily good for the next few years. :)
Great video Karin! I'm a hybrid shooter like you. M10 and my father's M2 and a few others as well. Switching between the M's is very easy like you said. I also felt like the M10 wasn't as discreet as the M2 even though the M2 is bright silver. I think it's the giant red dot on the black body that stands out so much, I put a little black gaffer's tape over it and now I don't feel like I stand out as much. The M10 is my daily driver but the M2 is never far away.
yes, I love the 'hybrid' workflow, I have a Hassy H1, with film backs too, so one body for both!, a boon to this is that if I am unsure of light, just switch backs, and use the histogram of the digital back, esp. if B&W is in the film back, then I can switch out and do colour too.
2:49 hahahaha
Good evening Karin,
interesting and honest comparison. My experience is M7 and M10M. M7 bought new over 20 years ago, and M10M recently new (to me).
I have always been a fan of aperture priority, so both are perfectly similar and therefore interchangeable. Muscle memory as you say. Now sound wise they both are discreet, I think the M10M is quieter than your version.
Now for years I have liked the artisan and artist half case for the M7 for its thinness and softness to the touch. I recently added the artisan and artist M10 half case to the M10M. To me it is acceptable and soft to the touch, which I appreciate. May be you should give it a try.
I won't comment on use case as we are all different!
Hello Karin, for me M10 is more joyful to use than most of mirrorless digital cameras. It is simple and imperfect in exposure metering, which is on pair with 1970s film cameras, but it is predictable after practicing.
Like what you are doing Karin! Keep going. Don't feel guilty about using digital, looking at the screen or eating alone either! Eating alone is cheaper and so is digital! Old Terry x
Karin, one point at 14:19, that IS discreet, try shooting a Hasselblad 500C/M ! that has a noise all it's own.
Giveup M6
I feel like the 10 might also be less “discreet” because of the red dot in black, which feels more contrasting than the red dot on the titanium finish. That’s how it feels through a screen at least.
Karin, i had love/hate relationship with m10 leather case. I find that if you put some small magnet on the right place between the camera and case you can skip the bottom plate and so feels camera less bulky with the case.
be carefull with coffee open spaces and two nice cameras on the table ;-)
Haha we actually said the same while filming and were extra careful 😬
@@KarinMajoka Yeah, it's a pitty that one can not be at ease, but we don't want another yt video ' I've lost ALL my gear' 😉😉
Karin do you know if Worancraft has some EU reseller or something? Or is it just their web online shop?
Tolles neues Intro und sehr schöner Vergleich der beiden Systeme.
Die alte Dame war ja süß.
„Stör ich ?“ - „Ja..is aber nich schlimm…“
Ich hab immer noch Tränen vor lauter Lachen in den Augen😂😂😂
Bitte auch mehr Content aus der Serie „Karin und die Kanadagänse“ 😊
Vielen Dank für den Kommentar! :)
Jaja, ich bin da manchmal wohl etwas zu ehrlich 😂 "Karin und die Kanadagänse" klingt doch mal wie ein guter Titel für eine Dokuserie 😂 Herrlich!
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Das wäre auch ein super Titel für ein Kinderbuch 😊
Hi Karin, cool video! I think you meant to say aperture priority instead of shuttle priority?
Thank you for sharing your experience. It was good to hear the pros and cons. Overall, it sounds like it was a positive experience for you to get the M10. 👍🎞️📷
love the intro !!! omg
thanks! 🥰
I have the exact same half case for my M10, and I enjoy the fact that it is well protected and quickly got adjusted to the feel of the camera. Also I developed the habit of not always checking the shots on the screen and totally agree with you. It's nice to have the possibility when I am unsure of the lighting conditions or otherwise. I also enjoy the slow down and not "overshoot" like you mentioned. But it is the closest I get to the analogue experience and feels tactile very homely. I later bought the M3 and had the reverse experience: It felt very homely ;-)
I sometimes use the half case on itself (without the screen protector) too. I don't know why, but that flap just makes it extra bulky and less comfortable in my hands for some reason. And thanks for sharing your experiences! :)
Try a camera who has the best of both worlds (Analogue and digital) : The Nikon F6 (sold between 2004-2020) is a Film camera not developed for professionals but for film connisseurs. It has auto winder/rewinder for film, a TTL Phase Detection Autofocus (11 zone) system [the Nikon Multi-CAM2000 autofocus module, same a in the DSLR the Nikon D2X]. Selectable AF Area Modes: Single Area AF, Dynamic AF, Group Dynamic AF or Dynamic AF with Closest-Subject Priority. Etc…
Thanks for the recommendation, I appreciate it! :) However, for me the Nikon F6 is honestly not really as interesting. I want a digital camera that feels as close as possible to a film camera and not a film camera that feels more like a digital camera. The more automated modes it has, the less interesting it usually is for me. I have a Contax G1 and even though it's a beautiful camera, I almost never use it (and am in the process of selling it) since I simply don't enjoy film cameras with autofocus (unless it's a point and shoot camera). So, I was pretty surprised that the automatic shutter mode on the M10 is actually something I use.
Hi Karin! Would that be the 28mm color-skopar type I that I noticed on your M6? If so, how are you enjoying the lens (ergonomically speaking let's say)? I'm eyeing one for my M camera as well as it's the only 28mm from Voigtlander that supposedly has a 0.7m minimal focus, whereas the other Voigtlander 28mm lenses tend to have a MFD of 0.5m which doesn't sit too well with Leica M film cameras.
U very much enjoy this video of yours. Super fun and creative person you are. Take good care of yourself...and the M6...and the M10...and the person recording you too. ;)
Hi Brian, thank you for your comment, I appreciate it a lot. :) It's a 28mm lens on my Leica M6 but not a Voigtländer one actually but the TTArtisan 28mm F5.6. It's a rather slow lens and has that "focusing handle" instead of a proper focusing tab but overall I like it due to the small size and portability. I haven't used any 28mm Voigtländer lenses so far, so sadly I cannot say much about them. But I understand your problem with the minimum focusing distance! I returned the 35mm Ultron because it was just too annoying to have this "dead space" in the viewfinder in that close focusing range.
Hello back to Düsseldorf! I acquired an M10-R recently when I relaized I wouldn't shoot film as intuitively and low-threshold as I always did - mainly due to film prices. While on 135 it will be gone, I will remain faithful to film on large format 4x5". My combination will thus be the M10-R for the more frequent explorative shooting and the Linhof Master Technika for slow, meditative image making. I think this combination serves me well; I like both kinds of experience and the cameras get a long perfectly, sometimes even sharing one backpack! 🙂
Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experiences! Actually, using digital on a more fast-paced everyday basis while staying true to film in large format sounds like an ideal combination to me! I also shoot 4x5" but use it for dedicated projects and this is still the most meditative and conscious way of photography for me.
I used to be extremely opposed to the screen, but in my search for something small but capable I bought the Ricoh GRIII. Luckily I really got into enjoying the LCD experience. Now because the GR is with me most often, I will even forget to use the EVF on my other cameras. Even on sunny days I catch myself squinting at the back screen, before I think "oh yeah, I have a solution for this." 😂
Hahaha, that's actually pretty funny, thanks for sharing! 😂 The GR looks like such a fun camera too, I get why so many people enjoy it so much :)
I have to agree with you regarding the shutter, my M-P (Typ240) reminds me of a 1980's compact camera shutter noise and is not discreet at all. Cannot understand with technology as it is today why Leica haven't managed to get their digital shutters to sound like the film rangefinders.
The shutter sound of the M10 is actually really beautiful... but just a bit too loud for my taste. A friend of mine has the M240 (not the M-P though) and I remember it to be even a bit louder than the M10
The Leica 10 cost more than my full budget for a year incl, rent, food and travels
yeah well, it is what it is.
@@jr8440 true that😂 I just came back from a 10 week roadtrip through Europe. Shot the whole trip on my 7 years old Fujifilm XT2. The trip incl food, gas, pleasures, campgrounds etc cost less than a used Leica lens. I think we should all shoot with what we have. Learn to love the camera and spend the money on trips, adventures etc instead, when we're all old we won't remember our expensive new gear we bought in our youth but we will remember the adventures.
@@stayuntilforever Sure, i can do the roadtrip of my life in a beat up ford or on a porsche, i guess the drive is only one part of the journey
@@jr8440 well for the price of the Porsche you could travel for years without working in the Ford and still spend the same amount of money.
Great comparison Karin! I am a hybrid shooter: M4 for film and X100F for digital. I hope the M10 is somewhere in my future. The main reason for switching from Fuji to Leica for digital would be having almost the same camera in both cases. It's the 'muscle memory' you talked about. And also being able to use the same lenses for digital and film. Grüße aus der USA.
Vielen Dank! :) That's also a pretty nice setup! The X100F is great, if I ever find one for an affordable price I might actually get it as a small pocketable EDC camera.
Ah man.... feeling sad watching this, my M9 finally gave up on the sensor, so it's no more. Really missing that camera a lot! And if that wasn't bad enough, my Fuji X-Pro1 shutter failed at the weekend too. :/ Great video as always though Karin. Keep pushing :)
Ohhh no, what a bummer! Two cameras dying at the same time, so sorry to hear about that! Hope you will find a worthy replacement though! And thanks for your kind words. :)
interesting take, I am a hybrid shooter as well, Canon new F-1 and a Fujifilm X-T30II I can't afford a Leica lol but am happy with both of them, usually I am always carrying both cameras since they fuji is so small and depending on the scene and how I want to capture it I decide if I shoot digital or analog or sometimes even both
That also sounds like a portable and minimal setup, nice! :) Thanks for your comment and for sharing your experience!
Great to hear your experiences shooting two cameras designed to be almost the same but in different mediums. I shoot both digital and film. I shoot with nikons, D810, D780 (FX digital) and an FM3a (mechanical film camera). I mention that because the cameras are totally different and the experience shooting them is totally different. When I try to shoot both digital and film at the same time I just end up shooting digital. But making the deliberate decision to just shoot film produces a different, maybe more mindful process, from vision to capture. I think much of that is camera driven, so it's interesting to see how it works for you.
Thanks for your comment! Really interesting to hear about your experience. As I also said in the video the photographer alone is responsible for how she/he shoots - but I think some camera interfaces really enhance a specific shooting style so in the end influence how we shoot with it. So it's interesting to hear you mostly shoot digital when having both options at the same time. :)
Great to hear your thoughts around this Karin. I too am use Hybrid setup with M6, M11Mono and a Q2: with my main thinking similar to yours about using film for special/specific projects/events. However, I have certainly not shot my M6 very much at all mainly down to the cost of film and processing etc…. I love it but it is certainly an investment in money and time!
Thanks for sharing your setup and your experience! :) Interesting to hear you seem to have a similar strategy! I love film development actually (I hate scanning though...) but sometimes I just don't get around to doing it timely after a shoot. I still have many undeveloped rolls from summer last year, so if I know I need the results more timely I just shoot the M10.
Have only recently found your channel and really enjoy it. Thanks for an informative and entertaining video. I use an M10-R and am tempted by the M6 for film. Couldn't afford both though, so losing the digital M might be too much of a wrench :) I shoot film every day, but on an old Nikon and a Spotmatic. The M6 rangefinder would add a lot I think to the film experience.
Thanks so much for watching the videos, I appreciate it! :) I totally get that temptation for the M6, especially if you have a digital M already. However, the M6 also leads to me neglecting my other film cameras even though my Nikon F3 or Pentax Mx would deserve some more love too. So enjoy the time with your Nikon and Spotmatic as long as you can before an M6 moves in eventually haha
I have not devised a system for when to shoot digital vs Leica. I use the MP film camera and M10-P but since I don't shoot really professionally but more as a hobby, I tend to shoot both in tandem. I do small photoshoots with family/my spouse or streetphotography or as a daily documenting tool but there's no system at all. I really wish I had a system but since I develop and scan at home myself, I don't really need to think about it. There are times when I shoot both cameras, maybe one M10-P with a 50 Lux and the MP with a 35mm Cron to distinguish the outcomes but again, no system. I do try to vary composition between the two if I shoot at the same time but not religiously. Daily, I might carry the MP with me or the M10-P, no rhyme or reason. I did want to add that I bought a thums up rest for my M10-P but I actually didn't like it. Having no grip on is kind of tactile reminder that I'm shooting digital vs film also and I prefer the slender feel of the M10-P; my camera also came with a hotshoe cover so I don't have to worry about dust gathering there. I like your general idea of using film for more "special" occasions, for important subjects so that means you shoot digital as a documenting tool to save on cost. I may borrow that idea.
Interesting to hear that I am not the only one with no system. I would not stress about it too much to be honest, if the "no system"-system works for you, that's actually all to ask for. Also, it can be freeing to just decide on the spot and whatever feel right in that moment.
I thought you would mention ISO when deciding which camera to take. Maybe winter in germany was not so dark this year after all :) I find myself often wanting to shoot indoors scenes, or after 18:00, where a high ISO would really help, but then if I have a film camera with me, if it's loaded with slow film I'm pretty screwed. Of course, I will sometimes push, but then you have to consider what other pictures are on the same roll, etc.
Oh yeah, good point I could have mentioned it too! So yes, for lower light situations (at least when shooting handheld) the M10 is also in action more often than M6. But I still like to shoot long exposures with a tripod on film :)
Hi Karin! Thanks for the video and was looking forward to this comparison. I myself have only film Leicas and have been thinking about adding a digital M but haven’t just yet. What are your thoughts on the digital v film experience eg. Overexposing or underexposing for highlights? I feel this would bother me for some reason
Thanks for your comment! :) Good questions, I actually wanted to include this topic in the video too but somehow forgot (which probably already indicates that it's not such a big topic for me). I simply put my exposure compensation to around -0,3 as a default and never had any problems with overexposure
I’ve been shooting with the Pixii range finder camera for about a year now. It’s a digital range finder with Leica M mount but without any LCD. It’s made by a small company from France. Only downside is that’s it’s not a full frame sensor. But maybe it’s a camera you might be interested in.
I actually got an ad on a UA-cam video about the Pixie the other day and also got really curious! So thanks for the recommendation, I think I will do some more research about it. Only having an APSC sensor (and mainly shooting a 35mm lens) this might be a dealbreaker for me though...
Yes, Hybrid, Leica M2 & M9 with the same 2 lenses, a 35 & 50mm Summicrons. Light and compact, the only decision is film or digital or both 😊 Thanks Karin
Sounds like a really nice setup! :) Thanks for sharing your approach! ✌️
I've been shooting an MP for over 10 yrs now and I had an opportunity to purchase an M10 last year but I got an M6 instead. I think I'm indifferent when it comes to digital Leica Ms. I do like the SL line though. Thanks for the video
Good for you, everybody has different preferences and I understand that the M6 is hard to resist! :) And I think the MP and the M6 also go really really well together! I haven't tried out any SL cameras yet, but I have heard good things.
thank you for posting. Been toying with the idea of adding a digital M to my M6. At the moment, I am leaning towards waiting for the M11 to come down in price. Gives me time to save money for it, and maybe for a proper Leica lens. I like the M10 also, but by the time I save the money, the cost of an M11 might be the same as the M10 today. Only concern would be the status of my eyesight a few years from now.
Thanks for your comment! :) That sounds like a good plan! Even though I have no idea how long it would take to get the M11 prices down to the current M10 prices. The Leica M10 is from 2017, so already 7 years old, let's hope it won't take as long for the M11 to drop in price haha.
„Stör ich?“
„Ja“
😂😂😂
Ich bin manchmal etwas zu ehrlich (oder zu Deutsch) 😂
I just got an m10-p and I can relate. I wanted to find what I shoot with what, and it is a bit like you. I also decided to shoot more B&W with the m6 this year and have the m10 be the color little buddy.
Love your larger leather strap in this video too! What is it?
Interesting, love the idea of separating between color and black and white with both cameras. :) The strap I use is from Wotancraft - I have the Peak Design version but it's also available with regular O-rings. :)
I shoot both digital and film; I come from the days when there was no choice, although there were film decisions to make. For several years I had an ongoing debate in my head about committing to film or giving it up entirely. Add to this, I have medium format cameras I like to use, too. The best way for me to deal with all these choices is to assign specific projects to certain cameras, including film choice when applicable, so there is consistency throughout a series.
Thanks so much for your comment, I appreciate it! I think the idea of assigning cameras (and film) to specific projects is actually pretty interesting, thanks for the inspiration! :)
Put your ring better on your camera M6 looks better
What a fun video, It's fun and creative in so many ways, as well as informative on your experience, thanks. M10D is sexy indeed. I am barely touching my M6, came from M9-P to M11, it rocks the world a lot, don't need to think about metering and manual compensation as much, and yeah using manual shutter priority at times and the camera does the rest, so easy.
Thanks for your kind words, I appreciate it a lot! Yeah, I totally understand why sticking to your digitals Ms is more convenient. I love film too much to give it up, but I have to admit that it's great to have a digital option that feels so close to home. :)
cool was du machst, ich habe nach vielen digital M‘s eine MP gekauft, lass uns doch gerne in DUS einmal zusammen shooten, ich würde gerne ausprobieren welcher Film am besten zu meinem Noctilux 0.95 passt… liebe Grüße Dein Markus, Kö66
Really nice comparison, actually the shutter sound is one of the reasons why I really don't like using the Bessa 2a that much. I have to agree though that I more often take the M240 rather than the M6 just because to have a camera.
Thanks for your comment, I appreciate it :) I think I haven't heard the shutter sound of the Bessa 2a yet - is it louder than the M6?
Hallo Karin, wie immer tolles Video! Ich habe auch zunächst mit meiner M6 fotografiert. Dann echt günstig an eine M9 zum üben gekommen. Nun nutze ich überwiegend die M9 als tolle „analoge“ Kamera. Also - best of both worlds 👍 Viele Grüße aus der Pfalz
Will be working around Fairbanks Alaska with a collection of Zeiss/Contax film cameras that have become my camera of choice recently.
Sounds pretty amazing! Enjoy. :)
Womit man gerade fotografiert, hängt vom Verwendungszweck ab - zumindest bei mir. Ist es nur für mich, dann kann ich auch Film verwenden, solls zwingend Digital und vielleicht auch noch für Dritte sein, dann eben gleich mit einer Digitalkamera. Leica besitze ich so nicht, aber gönne sie jeden und jeder, die sie hat und damit gerne fotografiert.
This is exactly the review i've been looking for
If the camera feels perfect in your hand, why would you need to buy an additional thumb grip?
Because it only feels perfect with the thumb rest.
im personaly are a hybrid and its fun :D , i really really liked the Video espacaly the Tarantino Western Vibe real great :D
Thanks for your comment Toby :) I also had so much fun shooting this episode, glad to hear you enjoyed it!