The Rhizome - A Thousand Plateaus, Deleuze and Guattari
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- I look at the first chapter of a Thousand Plateaus on the Rhizome. This is one of Deleuze and Guattari's most well-known concepts, and can serve as a useful image or metaphor for Deleuze's entire philosophy.
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Van Der Klei, Alice. "Repeating the Rhizome." SubStance 31, no. 1 (2002): 48-55. doi:10.2307/3685805.
Marco Abel. "Speeding Across the Rhizome: Deleuze Meets Kerouac On the Road." MFS Modern Fiction Studies 48, no. 2 (2002): 227-256. muse.jhu.edu/ (accessed December 18, 2018).
Deleuze and Guatarri, A Thousand Plateaus
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"I have a cold. The virus is a rhizome"
>2020 has entered the chat
100% what I thought!
I always think of Deleuze when doing the gardening.
I had a big garden plot in the back of my house that no one had touched for probably close for a decade until I decided to clean it up. I took the natural, centerless, rhizomatic structure of weeds I had found back there. I chopped down these two huge shrubs in the center of the garden and dug out the root system, and it completely changed the sense of geography. I pulled out thousands of weeds that had established these weird whorls of patterns, growing together. There was an old weed cloth there that had been fully integrated into the plants root systems. I pulled out so many little ant colonies that had become integrated into it. Finally I turned over the entire garden with a pitchfork and lined up my six garden mounds and planted. It was such an incredible act of violence to force an arboreal structure on the garden.
I was amazed at how quickly the garden became overgrown again, the new searching roots of green things plugging into the garden structure I created. The part which amazed me is how the old arboreal structure got reincorporated and how the rhizome reestablished itself not by destroying the hierarchical structure, but by creating new pathways and connections through it so that the old structure became meaningless--it was a revolution by way of affirmation, as if the people of Oceania found that the best way to overthrow Big Brother was to get really into exhibitionism and sadomasochism. The thing is you have to fend off those rhizomatic interlopers, the little searching weeds, but a successful garden also has to invite it back in. You need to work together with the wild bees, for example, who come to plug your garden into their own little pollinating world. The bee hive connects to the garden connects to the human gardener connects to the home depot store where I got the plants connects to the whole system of global capital.
All of this is to say that I also like Deleuze and gardening :)
Kikuyu and couch grass grows off rhizomes. They are bloody hard to remove.
@@BlueMorningStar Does the 'morning star' of your name come from the example used (in What is Philosophy? and other places) for extension and intension?
@@BlueMorningStar i like your thinking. i have an idea that i would like to write a philosophy of weeds. how weeds are linguistically determined by human preference. and yet how many weeds are really foods and medicines, sidelined by our prejudices. there's plenty of room for thought in the garden
goddamn u forgot about guattari
What deleuze doesn't tell you is in order to understand a Thousand Plateaus, it is best to start with it's conclusion (Concrete Rules and Abstract Machines). Then proceed to read chapter one. The rest is captivating to the mind and spins a wonderful image of thought.
It would be great if you'd stayed on Deleuze and make an entire series. Thank you for the vid!
i couldn't agree more
I am in a rhizomatic state of mind after I wake up in the morning. Everything seems possible in any direction. This usually comes to an end after the first cup of coffee... 😂
Ugh - pointless jargon. Spooky pseudo intellectualism at its finest.
A Thousand Plateaus is the most schizophrenic book I ever tried to read. Decided to read it from the end and it all started to make some sense... because at the end all the terms are finally explained!! Although, still when trying to read it, I'm not sure if its genius book or just Deleuze and Guattari being trolls and making things up as they go.
Sokal was right
perhaps it is philosophical play. the system builders have created some unintentional dystopias. perhaps their aim was to avoid such
6:37 the virus is a rhizome
just curious but how does one read a book backwards? page by page or paragraph by paragraph?
To create, one must play. This act of play, of creating, means more to the creator than the bystander. The created thing, may or may not resonate with the bystander, but there is a deeper sense of understanding to the act, the play, the creating, that can only be attained by creating something new yourself. This is the rhizome.
I just want to let you know that this video had such a profound effect on me that it lead to me moving from New York to France.
I love your channel.
Just know that the content you make is changing people's lives.
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How?
Interesting how the metaphor visualized is topologically homologous to the brain
"Many people have a tree growing in their heads, but the brain itself is much more a grass than a tree." D&G
you are giving me a better understanding of sociology/politics than my uni course rn, thank you :)
Wonderful using Kerouac as an example of explicating Deleuze and Guattari.
Anti-oedipus? Your content is by far the best exploration of post-structural theory on UA-cam.
John Rawls (Theory of Justice) vs Robert Nozick (Anarchy, State and Utopia) debate would also a make a great video in the field of political philosophy
Keep meaning to get around to one on Rawls/Nozick... lots already on UA-cam though. Trying to work out a way to give it an original spin
You can read about Deleuze & Guatarri's concept of the rhizome contrasted Derridean ideas through the fictions of Jorge Luis Borges here: thoughtpressings.wordpress.com/the-library-of-babel-and-the-book-of-sand-by-jorge-luis-borges-a-post-structuralist-analysis/
Do High Theory people really pronounce "rhizome" like that? Wild!
Perhaps that's how D&G pronounced 'rhizome' in French? But this vid is in UK-English, so /ˈrʌɪzəʊm/
Deleuze is enough for the next 2500 years just as socrates was enough for the past 2500 yrs.
Arastoomii agree completely. I hath prophesied to my professors that Deleuze should/could be the ground breaking philosopher for the next... however long
wonder what deleuze would say about that
@@matthewfrazier9254 let alone that
Guattari, though? Ehh, maybe a clump of decades. Psh. Talk about hangers-on!
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For Heidegger yes, that is true
What I love about this, is the way it explains artistic freedom, the creation of an artistic fluidity. As a musician that consciously avoided learning music theory and who refuses to remember what the keys on a piano are, I find the possibility of ‘constantly becoming’ ever present, it’s an adventure each time I’m in a creative moment. I follow where the moment takes me:)
from my understanding the rhizome is two fold - an extension and critque on kants schematism?
Bingo.
This is a 'Then and Now' masterpiece.
Thank you! Very nice to hear :)
@@ThenNow 6:39 'the virus is a rhizome' any thoughts on how the virus is deterritorialising planet earth?
I watch it almost daily
Interesting connection to Kerouac. I wouldn’t have seen it otherwise
Was Deleuze high?
From what I've heard, both Deleuze and Guattari were very stoned writing this book
I need to study deleuze and Guattari and bro, i think they fukkin were
he might be deleuzinal
Alain Badiou, as well as Deleuze and Guattari, Lacan are french joke.
Lewis: I like how much you emphasize Habermas’ ‘public sphere’ for democratic discussion/argumentation. The structure of YT is oppressive in how it gives power to YT channel users in discussion at the expense of other commenters. Though, on your last video you removed my 1st intellectual property abolition thread without notice to me. And you removed another comment in this video. So instead of immediately removing comments (or blocking users) from now on, I have a suggestion that you respond to each user with the same or similar following comment:
“YT channel users can remove any comments and block other users from commenting for any reason. This is anti free speech and gives power to YT channel users at the expense of other users commenting on their channel. Your last comment _________, however I won’t immediately remove this comment. So instead I’m giving you until 24 hours from now to explain why I shouldn’t remove your last comment.
(I’m also open to hearing explanations from anyone for why/how I should change this process)”
Please let me know your thoughts. You could substitute “remove your comment” with “block you” or “remove your comment & block you” whenever it seems appropriate. It’s also important YT channels don’t ban any particular terms: *All terms can be ethically used in the right context* . It would be very beneficial for free speech & democracy on the internet if more channel users (& users/mods/platform holders on other sites) started conducting themselves like this.
So basically reductionist nihilism mixed with word mangling in the language part?
no this is just proto monism
Great channel, great video. But I am not sure on the idea that the rhizome is progressive, as you say. If anything, it is without a pre-determined direction...forward, backward, up, down; by steps and leaps and stagnation and offshoots.
Wow, this is great! Love your channel
I remember Land (who of course is influenced by Deleuze) remarking that power is not top down like our traditional views of hierarchy but is sprung from the bottom and multiplied like a web, is the rhizome a concept that aligns with such a stance?
That's exactly what a Rhizome is
Quality content as usual. You are doing an excellent job. Merry christmas from Sweden.
Thank you! Merry Christmas to you too
I don't think The Archetype as Carl Jung ment it is at odds with Deleuze/Guattari 's Rhizome. They seem to either overlap or be different ways hinting at the same unspeakable "concept/thing" or whatever mouth noise you want to use to infer what's it infer or points at as I believe both "concepts" are so far abstracted that language can only scratch an echo of their echoes. Or they could be the antithesis of one another and thus be something unkind to two sides of the same coin or like qliphoth and qabalah if anyone reading this is familiar with hermeticism
Beautiful video and nicely read. Thank you. My mind hungered for something like this. I appreciate the time and effort taken to put this out in the world.
What's the essential difference between "Difference and Repetition AND A Thousand Plateaus"?
I just subscribed to your channel yesterday and was wondering if you'll ever do a Deleuze video and by the slimmest of coincidences, you uploaded it the very next day. I tried reading A Thousand Plateaus, I couldn't get past few pages. It's an extremely hard read
Rishi Joe Sanu It’s quite worth it. The issue is that you have to get almost all of the terms/signs at the same time to read any of it. Look for “The Deleuze Dictionary” if you want a good resource that will help
One of the things I find bothersome with the idea of the rhizome is the, well, contingent weight that it sets upon contingency. Are things truly unhierarchical in the rhizome? In truth things of the most bearing to each other are needfully nearer to one another and thus have a hold on one another and their development. Things are ultimately linked, of course, but that still means things forthgo according to local hierarchies of intensity (things of nearer relationships to one another win over another by means of intensity), and overall there might a hierarchy of all relations and how much each bears upon the other. 'Contingency' itself is an illusion, since things are already foreset in such a way that things cannot be otherwise (though of course we may not see how things turn out) by their intensites and foregoing tendencies. The universe may be a rhizomatic relation of all things, but if there is contingency and no hierarchy of bearing and intensity, then there would be no relations at all, no difference (t.i. intensity and change needfully betoken a kind of hierarchy of how things forthgo and unfold, like there would never be a case where a man laughing would suddenly make the sun of a faroff galaxy go supernova or vice versa, as the intensity of relation between one another hardly exists). So I don't see how there is no hierarchy at all within a rhizomatic structure (see: how in the rhizomatic structure of the throng, folk often go according to foreset paths of least resistance, both through the general living space that the throng besits, as well as through the shifting paths of each other; amongst each other, further, there are those more or less willing than others to yield inroads to others, all already foreset by the given rhizomatic relations between everyone in the crowd, t.i. how everyone feels already before gathering into a throng, how they feel amongst it, how they feel getting out, so on).
I'm just starting to learn about the rhizomes and see of it has potential to use as a conceptual framework or methodology. I find it interesting what you guys are saying. Do you know of any literature that expands on this criticism?
@@partners9531 Not at all afaik. The current understanding of Deleuze is the status quo and it's hard to find critiques without them being overconservative tracts that miss the point, or overprogressive tracts that also don't make any true critique
Really interesting comment. I think it's okay to be sanguine about the structure that remains in the rhizome-the premise isn't that it's an aggregate of perfect entropy, like gas in a bottle at equilibrium at the ambient temperature. Yes, there is structure that conditions its present function, but it's mutable and can neither guarantee the persistence or degree of existing relations, nor prevent the emergence of new ones. I don't think there's any attempt to dispense with structure in that looser, descriptive rather than normative sense
Whatever you are trying to get at here, it's not quite as plain or articulate as other videos I've seen. At least it's not working or getting through to me. I wish I knew what the point of this rhizome model was - what context it is a benefit to look at with.
I tried to read the books 3 or 4 times. Almost went crazy, didn't understand a thing.
reezome
I always heard it pronounced Rye-Zome before
what the fuck is a reezome
So the Rhizome is basically similar to an artificial neural network?
How do I create a body without organs?
*Deleuzean anxiety increasing*
We are ultimately, beyond the body.
the structure of this video is kinda like a rhizome
Fascinating. I'm off to read Deleuze now...
You’re always a few days behind truediltom
Love how you're able to explain Deleuze concepts in such and easily digestible way! Keep it up, man!
I have difficulties to undestand the concept of stratification in Thousand Plateaus....help!
What is the music used here??
wwooww great video
this is excellent! keep up the good work. greatly appreciated!
Good luck escaping hierarchy
Uhhh... truediltom?
6th Plateaux , no-keeping highTidal
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TueM. Thanks
I love your videos but I think that for the metaphorical imagistic notions , especially when the narrative and meaning depends on such notions, it would be worth it to let them take shape for a longer time before moving on. If not, it can just feel hand wavy even if it isn't.
That is to say that I felt like this video was too fast-paced in a way: the sentences were too dense with words that carry too much meaning, or the time given in the video for these sentences were too short for the meaning to unfold and carry through.
Hope you also appreciate the constructive criticism!
Cheers and love your stuff!
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ELEMENT-282 TueM.
Rhizome is pronounced RYE-zome
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I swear I am starting to think you and truediltom are the same person.
My Mom I know right? They are posting videos on the same topic at a interval of few days away. Weird
Very strange indeed.
Truediltom is alt-right trash. Then & Now has a far more nuanced view about things
@@TheRishijoesanu How is TrueDilTom alt-right? He has made countless criticisms of white nationalism and edgelord larping.
I don't think he so easily fits into a narrow box that you want to put him in tbh.
@@BakerWase I wouldn't call him Alt-right, but when you make videos like "Some Concepts on Absolutism" and "The Metaphysics of War" and also devote many of your videos to "refuting" leftist youtubers and allegedly refuting Marxism, you can understand why one would be shoved into that box. If anything, Truediltom isn't a leftist by any means, and Then & Now is a self-professed leftist.
Loved this, thanks for making it. What was the background music, btw?
Artificial multiplicity is another type of singularity.
Only natural multiplicity has it's importance.
Worshiping of multiplicity is the main error of Deleuze.
If the only part of the field we can see is the chaotic field of the Logistic Map, we may walk away thinking there is no hierarchical structure in the pattern. Yet if we were able to observe, in the field, iterations before and after, we might find hierarchical structures more easily detected. In other words, random is probably much more ordered than we have the ability to observe without a scientific lens-such as chaos math, or the convergence of the Logistical Map and the Mandelbrot Set.
Why did they demonetize you?
Not sure!
Tripping on acid oh god oh fuck
book distribution is a rhizome. the typography shows where it came from. look at the bible. it's always with the awesome Lord's type.
Plus ca aveți reclama la reMarkable
.not.diverse.enough.
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Yeah... I'm just going to pretend I understood any of that
I have a cold as well
Some of the most challenging reading you'll ever do
6:50 youtube demonitized this channel!? WHY would they do that??
Great video! Where can I find the Jazz quote?
This sounds similar to Timothy Mortons Hyperobjects
I need close captioning for this video. It is not accessible to deaf people.
3:00 Aunts are not Rhizome, they have biology, BUT
6:41 Virus is a Rhizome. Is not seem Paradoxical? Virus is also have biology.
BTW, a great intro, thanks.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5406846/
Looking good Then & Now, loving the casual look.
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Thanks! :)
I miss truediltom 😭
Amazing video mate! Non-representational theory one would be great!
Go for Foucault next
epigenetics
&
neural pathways
A lot of parallels to Aleister Crowleys chaos Magick, I can see why Nick Land in the late 90s fell deep into the occult
Crowley took it from other people
great vid, great channel. what's the music here?
This guy was on drugs when he wrote this , dont get me wrong
Could you please do a video on territory, mileau, and the refrain because without it this won’t really be understood by many
you should go on Truediltom's podcast, The Absolute State.
Do you have a link? I can't seem to find this podcast.
It's funny, truediltom *just* did a video on this exact same subject. Is there something driving interest in deleuze or is it just a coincidence I wonder.
Paul Kennedy I was thinking the same lol
Interestingly, Philosophize This! also just released its second episode on Deleuze as well.
@@breezy33768 OMG you're right! Agh, coincidences like this really bother for me a reason I cant put my finger on... It feels like a puzzle that I'll never find the solution to.
@@paulk314 No puzzle unfortunately guys... a complete coincidence! I only came across Truediltom after the comments on my first Deleuze video! The more Deleuze the better though!
@@paulk314 For some reason they keep happening, for various things recently.
Like thinking roughly about something for a few days, two days pass, then suddenly my favourite channel makes a video about this specific thought I was having. And it happened 4 times.
And now this.. suddenly I'm curious how nobody has been talking about Deleuze and dived into his stuff myself, then Poof! Two weeks after I ordered the books, 4 channels (Those you quoted here) appeared to have made a video concerning Deleuze.
Such a mysterium~.
❤❤❤Thank you
I watched this one a lot. A fascinating idea and an amazing video giving it life
Outstanding. Thank you.
Beautiful!
Hi Lewis. Could you create a little more transparency about who you are. Credentialing you is like credentialing Banksy! If you want subscriber spend, best to put the cards on the table. ; )
Hi Andrew, what would you like to know?
Academic credential would be good. Is this available on your website? I suspect it would be useful if it were. A. @@ThenNow
I see there are now ads on your site, so I presume you are now getting a funds flow?
what
Aaaaaaaaaa make it stop I need *STRUCTURE* !!!!!! (jk I'll be fine)
Beautiful voice!
neatly underlinked there
sorry about the demonetization
just an early bird, planting their rhizome.
great videos!
What about blockchains or fractals?
That would not be a critique, but rather an elaboration. Blockchains would be closer to a rhizome but, in itself isn't necessarily a rhizome because it can be used as a constraint of structure. Fractals are definitely not rhizomic as they are a dimensional description that can be used in emergence. By that way they can describe the rhizome. Fractuals lack the ability to frame.
nelson phillips fractals lack a center though, right? Or every part is the center. And how are blockchains a constraint of structure? Anyway, my point isn’t a critique it’s trying to find ways rhizomes find expressions in modern culture.
@@oaxacachaka Fractals exist is cellular automata where every cell is a "centre". So yeah, right question every and no part is the centre. Describing rhizomes as fractals is possible but, that requires abstraction so they are not the same. Think of fractals as a tool and rhizomes as the medium. But, then again rhizomes are used as a tool for describing societal structure........ and the circle of life continues.
thank you
If you take the definition of rhizome seriously, you will unfortunately find that almost nothing is a rhizome. Most of the examples of the video are wrong... Traffic, stated here in this video, is everything BUT a rhizome. Jazz certainly isn't a rhizome, what a ridiculous claim, it's highly ordered and composed with much rationality, also it's very easy to argue that the instruments in jazz do not have the same importance, which is why there are ALWAYS leaders in jazz. We know our jazz musicians by names of people (e.g. Miles Davis, unlike "bands" which we call by a name they chose and that reflect a little more equality, e.g. Beatles). The rhizome is an epiphenomena, an interesting concept but a very limited one in terms of extension.
Sorry for disappointing you ideological followers.
The problem here is that the proponents have an ideological agenda that they want us to accept as non-ideological
Rhizomes are not "disordered" or "irrational", and jazz is a kind of sound or affect more than it's the politics of specific ensembles of musicians. That's why Steely Dan can chuck a "mu" chord in "Deacon Blues" and thereby tie a painter from their boat to the whole harbour and city of jazz, most of the streets of which have never been visited
Ultimately, pretentious drivel
more of a dribble of the ball of sense across the court of intensities..
You seriously need to go on Truediltom's livestream - The Absolute State
Gardez s'il vous plaît vos montages écœurants pour séduire les jeunes gens. N'entachez pas cette pensée de vos expressions excessives et presque grotesques.
Le cliché peut être sympathique. Or ici, on se trouve à entendre une répétition sans fin d'articulations de mâchoires et de lèvres extenuante.
Bon baisers aux auditeurs de ce monsieur.
Deleuze a accepté "à l'époque" d'être filmé alors qu'il préférais un auditoire vivant. Certaines de ces captures sont disponibles sur internet et notamment sur youtube.