Why you need to QUIT Notion for Obsidian MD... (App Comparison for Note Taking and Productivity)
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- I compare Notion and Obsidian for different use cases like productivity, note taking, and journalling to see the strengths and weaknesses of each app. Find out which app best fits your lifestyle and needs :)
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Notion vs Obsidian MD App Comparison 2022 (Note Taking, Productivity, Journalling, School)
Why you need to QUIT Notion for Obsidian MD... (App Comparison for Note Taking and Productivity)
#notion #obsidian #notetaking
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Learn about notion: • I Tried Notion for 7 D...
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00:00 - Introduction
00:30 - Productivity (task and project management)
02:20 - Note taking
03:14 - User experience and efficiency
04:52 - Journalling and reviews
06:19 - Use Case Example (School Studying and Organization)
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Trying to manage tasks in Obsidian is painful, so I'm glad you're comparing the two based on different use cases
tyty :) ehh its gotten better now imo but i just feel like an actually dedicated software for task management is simpler and more intuitive
Community plugins (work both on desktop and mobile)
"Checklist" - for Todo List pane, shows you every "- [ ]" task in a file with specified tags (#ToDo is default one) in a dedicated pane as separate tasks. Click on it to open note, click on checkbox to mark it done, without opening your tab.
Can show either tasks with #tag directly above or below them, or all tasks in a file with a #tag inside it. I use second one, it is really good for recalling old tasks, my monkey brain is happy 🐒
"Reminder" - for timed todos, system-wide notifications (limitation - only works on mobile if you open the app) and dedicated Reminder pane for all timed todo's. In conjunction with "Natural Language Date" addon kinda works like Todoist. A little bit finicky, because you actually have to type, not tap and select. But, honestly, works, does it's job. I'm on a tiny hair before removing google calendar from my setup because of it.
"Day planner" - I didn't try it yet, but it looks like a day view in calendar. I definitely will try it, although can't say my monkey brain would use it much unless it just integrates into everything nicely (which it actually could, since everything inside Obsidian is just an .md file. If it works, I will be happy)
"Calendar" - it is just like a regular calendar where you tap on a date and get a daily note attached to it. And from within a note you can feel free to create #todo tag and "- [ ]" tasks, or add "ToDo" to filename, or put file into "Todos" folder, or do all of it together, just the way you like it.
I use clickup for task management and project management. Obsidian for detailed notes when I am studying or researchinh
@@BoopyTheFox all of those you mentioned are all in notion by barebones! Lets stop being biased because you did it for obsidian that was already there on notion
@user-mj9tr3ym5t Does notion parse your whole vault for "- [ ]" to show as a separate pane or creating a file where it shows every task? I don't remember this functionality, but once again, i haven't used Notion in a long while ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, i am biased towards Obsidian for different reason, not ToDo's.
"I might be a little biased toward Obsidian" LOL that was cool. Thank you for your honesty.
I love those floating interconnected nodes that's very cool.
This was perfect, thank you
I've managed to build up a content calendar and planner in Obsidian that's comparable to Notion (I came from Notion to Obsidian). It's definitely got a much steeper learning curve than Notion, but if staying in the same app is important for you (it is for me, I struggle with hopping around to different apps for different types of information), it can be done. I've begun to look at the difference between Notion and Obsidian as being a bit like the difference between a playset of toys vs a box of Lego. The Lego is definitely more involved and difficult to get what you want from it, but it's also more versatile. I definitely occasionally miss how easy it was to figure some things out on Notion, though!
Yeah I had a kanban and system in Obsidian too but I didn't find myself using it much for some reason, the analogy is spot on :D If you didn't know already, there's some new notion tables plugin and drag and drop plugin that can help bring back some notion features ;)
@@itsjohnmavrick Mine is built around Tasks, Calendar, and Dataview. That drag and drop plugin looks handy!
@@itsjohnmavrick Until now, I did not understand what the benefit of the graph is, regardless of whether it is Cool I did not understand what I could benefit from it 🙂
In my opinion it's not the graph that is important but more so the connections between the notes.
One big issue I have experienced when trying different apps is that when you stick with an app for a few weeks or so and move to another app, you have to transfer the old data to the new app. This is why I like Markdown. Much easier.
I use a few apps that allow me to copy, but not paste. This is a real issue as one can well imagine.
I've toyed with the idea of using Notion for my project management and Obsidian for my note-taking and writing. Maybe it's time to revisit this, especially before the next level of my undergrad course starts in October. 🤔
Bro you're actually hilarious xD. I am someone who could not STAND the lagginess and limitations that came with using OneNote for note taking and in search for a better alternative and going down the rabbit hole of PKM and productivity this summer (please help, it’s getting bad), I stumbled across both apps. I've essentially imported my livelihood into both applications. I agree with you on both of your use cases. Notion is my planner, and Obsidian, my notebook. I also, personally, prefer journaling in Obsidian because my journaling information isn't uploaded to a public server and I don't have to worry about Notion staff laughing at my entries. Notion, for me, is like apple, and Obsidian, android. In the future, because I am a technical person, and a little nuts, I'll likely switch to Obsidian for both but Notion does feel very comfy for now.
Also you're kind of a psychopath for using the 80s Neon theme
Welcome to the rabbit hole B) And yeah the exact same happened to me when I first started lmao, I was drowning in all the new concepts I had to learn in terms of PKM and Obsidian so that was fun :,) After making that video I switched to doing all my reviews in Obsidian as well just to have them all in one place, I guess the privacy is also a plus (but they probably know everything about me already anyways xd)
If you check out my latest video you can get a glimpse on how I currently use Obsidian for projects and its related tasks :) I still do use todoist for a simple checklist though. It shouldn't be too hard to convert if you're somewhat tech savvy :p
And ???? 80s neon best theme, the colors, aesthetic, everything 😤
Lol then you are just a fanboi of obsidian aka android
apple is much stable and smoother.
great video ! I really wish there was a way to make obsidian and notion more integrated - almost as if they would auto-sync so I could just seamlessly interact with my vault in notion or obsidian depending on the mood haha. like it would be great if I could seamlessly link a note in my notion to a note in my obsidian.
Yeah that would the dream 🤩 im not sure if having them pool from the same notes would be possible because of their difference in design, but having quick links would be gamechanging for sure hehe
Power of Notion is 🗓DATABASES 📊 (and interlinked databases)
Power of Obsidian is 🖇LINKS 🔗(#tags, embeds, and just actual links)
Their common powers are: 🌳TREES, #TAGS/SUBTAGS
Interlinked databases work great where structure is predetermined or at least sketched out in advance, but variables, well, vary.
Links works great when structure itself morphs and changes it's form over time. Works great for my monkey brain.
I've only just started looking into either Notion or Obsidian, trying to figure out which is best for me. I am a creative and a college student, so I have countless projects and interests I'm trying to balance. I do appreciate Notion's simple "click and go" style for things like tracking school, habits, and finances. However, since I am a novelist writing a tetralogy atm, I am intrigued with Obsidian's system for linking and connecting notes together. I may just settle for using both, but for different areas of my life. Thanks for the video!
np! yeah separation is probably best for most people, finances are much easier to manage in notion 😭
Very nice video! I am looking forward to see some software development content from you... stay mindfull
hi gregor :D ehh if anything i would make content on my journey as a smol startup co-founder/dropping out of school and speedrunning an internship, but i'm not sure if it would match the channel's purpose :p what kind of content were you thinking of specifically?
and yes, stay mindful indeed ;)
hi, great video! how did you change the theme in the notion?
great comparison, curious, hope you will make one comparing costs and syncing of each, seems to me considerable costs of syncing for obsidian for multiple platforms? especially for youths/university students? how is that compared to Notion?
I use Onedrive to sync for free which I have a video on, but the official sync service is much more reliable ubtl like you said expensive.
I have 5000 notes and it still works fine, as long as you don't put too much pictures/files or store them in the cloud instead in a separate storage that you link to
Notion is free right off the bat so it's better in that aspect :p
Please make a video on notion vs clickup...both are very powerful. Notion focused on knowledge management and clickup focused on task management but still we can do anything we want in both the apps.
from first glance clickup just looks like jira haha, I'm a bit busy right now so I'm not sure if I have the time to switch systems
@@itsjohnmavrick oh no problem.. I don't know about jira but I love clickup so much because it has endless possibilities but with a steeper learning curve.
How do you create a new note using the template of yours?
I have the template in my vault, but using the hot keys for a new note doesn't fetch the template. Can you tell me how?
Great vids!
By the template do you mean the "meta" template with all the if statements? I use the templater community plugin and made it so whenever I create a note in the root folder (/) of my vault, the template gets automatically inserted, and depending on the title, it inserts the correct note.
I have been using Trello for personal project management type use cases and it's been nice. But I've found that certain features that I've wanted to use are behind paywalls which is a pain. I think I may switch over to Notion for this type of use case as the UI is really nice and I like the way everything is laid out.
With that said though I do really like Obsidian for pure note taking. Using both together for different use cases may be the best option.
I prefer to use just one app. I am a simple guy who like simple solutions. But hey... use what works for you. Kinda the point, I suppose. In the end, we all want our checklists checked and done.
Hi John, thanks for your content. I’ve recently built my second brain in Notion, however the data privacy aspect has me worried and I’m considering transferring over to Obsidian. I’ve been trying to find a good video that explains how to import my Notion information into obsidian do you have any good methods for this?
Ooo I haven't had experience with that sadly, when I converted from Google docs to Obsidian I had to manually copy paste each note :,)
Ik there's a built in feature to export your notes into text format, are you able to do them in bulk or is it mainly for single notes?
@@itsjohnmavrick Thanks for the reply. Luckily I didn't use Notion for too long so I can just manually copy across.
@@Josh-iq1zu That's good, fingers crossed you won't have to make the switch for a while with Obsidian hehe :p
Hey great video but what's that theme you are using at 5:39 ?
yin and yang dark theme!
I have everything in notion
And i am good with it
But the way how obsidian organize notes and the grafic view is totaly something else
I would like to use obsidian to takes notes but since everything is connected in my notion app i find it hard to use them both
yeah I tried using both at the same time but at one point I would just keep asking myself why I wouldn't just put them all in one app so I did so in obsidian. you can see how I do it in my published notes notes.johnmavrick.com to see if it would also be suitable for what you want
I can't give up Notion for one big reason. My clients have dashboard (secure, password protected) where they can see info about their projects. I don't think Obsidian can do that.
Yeah, Notion is definitely a better choice for your use case then 😅
we have google calendar and all other task manager in the market, why use notion? note taking is most important part, it take most of the time. other task, calendar, journlist stuff only take a few minutes...
i use notion to plan projects and do weekly reviews as i like having a space to elaborate and write, and use Todoist for task execution and google calendar for time blocking. and for the average person daily journalling can be done with any medium, but i have lots of prompts i answer to reflect and record so having things like templates and visualizations of my statistics help :) it depends on what you want from the tools i guess
Coz in real life your task manager r more complex.
Because it can be a reading list , random website you wish to explore more, pictures and quote and blah blah .
U need notion to sort that out
And know Notion give possibility using beta version of free AI for users and at the same time Obsidian has a extension which allow using gpt if user has a token
Hey!
How do you scroll horizontally through the open panes?
the community plugin called "sliding panes" :)
@@itsjohnmavrick Thanks!
Yeah, that's what I thought. But the panes on 04:47 are not sliding (like they do with default settings), you literally scroll them with the scrollbar. Can you tell me, please, what settings do you use?
@@alexrosstube i don't think i did much to the settings? i just scroll with shift + mouse wheel to do so horizontally
"my prescious purple child" lmao
;) i mean with the amount of time ive spent maintaining and growing it, i feel like its a fair title 🤷♀️
Do you manage projects and dependent tasks in Obsidian?
i host my tasks using todoist which i have a video on, but my projects are made in obsidian
Are you using the Neon Template or custom CSS?
80s neon theme + transparent background with custom css to apply the transparency to the note as well :)
@@itsjohnmavrick I sorta kinda guessed so. I am not sure I like the Neon theme but I do love neon graphics. Kinda torn, I am.
@@robertmaxey5406 you can always modify the css of the theme yourself and create your own modification :)
@@itsjohnmavrick I thought about doing just that.
I really wanted to love Obsidian, but it really feels like the devs are only interested in hyper specific bullshit instead of basic things I would expect out of software like this...
>Relative paths to images for CSS styling?
Nope.
>Organizing notes manually in the folder view?
Nope. Gotta star everything and do it that way.
>Unique CSS per note page styling?
Nope. You get snippets and be thankful you get that despite how restrictive they are :]
I hate it because there are genuinely things I really like about Obsidian, namely the community plug-ins and some of the themes. But the lack of certain basic things + lack of ease of use aesthetic changes per note page are a MASSIVE turn off for me, personally.
I mean you can use things like the folder note plugin to have a more organized folder view, or just to have your organization system based on links and notes rather than folders.
What kind of aesthetic changes would you want per page? If I recall there's already plugins that can help you set up your own stylings depending on blocks/elements, and if you're code-savvy you can create your own plugin or find a workaround like the rainbell obsidian vault.
But yeah, it's not like notion where you can visually create your pages seamlessly, but I do think it is possible.
@@itsjohnmavrick
First and foremost, thank you for responding so quickly. I wasn't expecting that and I really appreciate it.
I haven't looked into the folder note plugin. At the moment I am just creating every note ahead of time and organizing by creation time. It is not ideal, but it alleviates my OCD for now.
As for aesthetic changes per page, I am a very creative mind that's mostly interested in moving all of my writing notes from the many different systems I have used in the past (word, onenote, private IRC chat snapshots[not kidding], online only rich doc platforms, etc etc) into something that is more centralized, manageable, but customizable. Something that I can create a different looking page for each note (if I wanted). My friends and I used to have our D&D sheets on a private site with each person's OC sheets being different pages with vastly different styling. It was great, but that was mostly a group effort and trying to recreate something like that alone is a bit of a daunting project, so I have been searching for something that's more...seamless? Something where I can set a background image and its opacity for the whole page. Something where I can drag and drop images, rotate (basic transformations) and wrap text around them. Just colorful, "prettifying" stuff that would help keep my creative muse going.
Lastly, I definitely want to use something that at least can be offline and store stuff locally on my drive because I made the mistake of using an online only system in the past and then it went under while I was on a writing hiatus and I lost over half a year's worth of work :( Something losing its support like that has become a major fear for me.
And yeah, a friend has recommended notion to me as well, but I am not entirely sold on it just yet. I am trying Obsidian out for now, but I keep running into roadblocks as far as ease of use and certain functionality is concerned.
I am probably just too ignorant of Obsidian and Markdown in general though. Honestly if you ever up for a chat over discord or something. It might be easier to explain there.
@@JustSomeDinosaurPerson Yeah you can join my discord discord.gg/BDmYZmZb , unfortunately obsidian sucks at image manipulation, i would also recommend checking out scrintal but im not sure how advanced it is over there either. i would also recommend having both the local files and an online backup for extra measures!
and thats a lot of different inputs 🤯 i personally use Obsidian for Virtually all text/info stuff so i dont import much files, i would recommend you adopt a system like para or maps of content to help see what organization system you could use (i briefly go over this in my free gumroad course)
@@itsjohnmavrick Understood! I'll be joining here shortly under the name "Vishnu" with an Oppenheimer profile picture :)
And yeah, you are right :( It unfortunately sucks at image manipulation, which is a big part of the creative writing process for me. Writing down notes on a colorful journal with some images thrown in that are related in some way.
No worries! I back up my entire vault using google sync at the moment :) Offline and online haha Never making that same mistake again.
I'll look into para and MoC when I have a chance! Thank you.
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4:45 lol.
what the loli is that shit
shhh i was too lazy to re-record 😭
your anime wallpaper is surely distracting :3
sounds like its working then 😎