The complex relationship between regular and hyperbolic trig functions

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  • @msolec2000
    @msolec2000 5 років тому +199

    9:27 isn't it? or isin(it)? ;)

  • @fernandogaray1681
    @fernandogaray1681 5 років тому +63

    I love this kind of videos. I love all the proof videos! Thanks!

  • @barthennin6088
    @barthennin6088 3 роки тому +4

    WoW! I haven't been this blown away since when I was shown Euler's identity!

  • @plaustrarius
    @plaustrarius 5 років тому +7

    looking at the series expansions for exp(x) cosh(x) and sinh(x) is what really drove this point home for me.

  • @nomadr1349
    @nomadr1349 2 роки тому +2

    this is by far the best take on hyperbolic functions I found on youtube so far. And I looked far and wide too!

  • @andresxj1
    @andresxj1 5 років тому +6

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    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 років тому

      Thank you Andy! Glad to hear that you like it!!!

  • @retired5548
    @retired5548 5 років тому +30

    complex relationship
    well played, good sir, well played

  • @idolgin776
    @idolgin776 Рік тому +1

    I've been fascinated by these patterns for a while, and yours is an excellent explanation. Thanks!

  • @rafaellisboa8493
    @rafaellisboa8493 5 років тому +1

    It's like you can read my mind comrade! second time I was studying some maths and you made a vid exactly about what I was studying, great vid!

  • @rockapedra1130
    @rockapedra1130 2 роки тому

    Excellent video! This is super interesting! Thanks for making these videos!

  • @hemanthkotagiri8865
    @hemanthkotagiri8865 5 років тому +1

    Your videos are pretty amazing man. Keep going. 👌

  • @MaChanceSevapore
    @MaChanceSevapore 5 років тому +1

    I just discovered your channel. Your videos are brilliant! Good thing they're your sponsor :D

  • @axelreispereiravaz1699
    @axelreispereiravaz1699 5 років тому +1

    I always asked myself why the hyperbolic trigs functions and the complex trigs functions looked so similar. Even my teacher didn't showed this relation. Now i have my answer ! Thanks BPRP !

  • @Riiisuu
    @Riiisuu 5 років тому +53

    Give this problem a try and when you’re ready, continue the video.
    Did *You* figure it out?

  • @borg972
    @borg972 5 років тому +3

    Great one, thanks!
    If you could do more parameterization videos it would be great since finding them is always so confusing.. also integrations along a curve with parameterization

  • @theomegaspec7923
    @theomegaspec7923 8 місяців тому

    Very interesting. I was wondering about the relation between the hyperbolic trig functions and the complex definitions of the trig functions after seeing one of your videos, and you explained these concepts so clearly.

  • @zralok
    @zralok 5 років тому +76

    Did you saw the joke isn't it?
    So the similarity of "i sin(it)" to isn't it.

  • @carlosraventosprieto2065
    @carlosraventosprieto2065 Рік тому

    Wow!! Thank you for the video!

  • @angeldude101
    @angeldude101 2 роки тому +17

    I actually discovered this when I noticed that cosh and sinh had a structure similar to the inner and outer products of geometric algebra, which are defined as the symetric and antisymetric components of the full product. But the inner and outer products are usually defined with sin and cos... along with i. This is what led me to realize the relation between them and the real and imaginary / even and odd parts of the exponential. The only reason one relation is x^2 + y^2 = 1 and the other is x^2 - y^2 = 1 is because the imaginary factor of y flips the sign when squared.
    It felt so awesome to find that on my own. Now I kind of want to make a visualization of the complex exponential's even and odd parts to try and get the hyperbolic and spherical trig functions to appear on different axes of the same graph.

  • @ramkrishnapandey7737
    @ramkrishnapandey7737 4 роки тому +1

    You solve mathematics like you are hanging out with Ur friends😜😜
    And Ur excitement after solving is just awesome. Just because of teacher like u I'm happy of being a mathematic student. Thank you🙏

  • @kostantinos2297
    @kostantinos2297 5 років тому +58

    Is there a geometrical representation of tanh(t), coth(t) etc, just like cosh(t) and sinh(t) are the x and y values of the points of the hyperbola?

    • @cuzeverynameistaken1283
      @cuzeverynameistaken1283 5 років тому +11

      Putting this comment just so if someone else finds it. Right now its late where Im from so I'll try and see if there is one in the morning

    • @filyb
      @filyb 4 роки тому +1

      @@cuzeverynameistaken1283 did you find one?

    • @joea-497kviews2
      @joea-497kviews2 3 роки тому +3

      @@filyb he’s still working on it

    • @filyb
      @filyb 3 роки тому

      @@joea-497kviews2 lmao

    • @paulniziolek9200
      @paulniziolek9200 2 роки тому +1

      @@joea-497kviews2 eta perhaps?

  • @kennethx7801
    @kennethx7801 2 роки тому +4

    An easy way to remember this is that,
    e^(ix)=cosx+isinx on one hand, on the other, e^ix=cosh(ix)+sinh(ix). Match the even part of one side with the even part of the other side, and do the same with the odd part. You get that cosh(ix)=cosx and sinh(ix)=isinx. Now evaluate these functions at x=it and you get the rest ;)

  • @6root91
    @6root91 2 роки тому

    I was searching for these formulae (didn't need the proofs, but they were cool too) for about an hour until I found it here and was able to answer my question.

  • @m_riatik
    @m_riatik 5 років тому

    please continue this series!

  • @tm89681
    @tm89681 2 роки тому

    Nice lecture👍

  • @aidan8858
    @aidan8858 5 років тому +26

    cos(it) + cosh(t) = cosh(it)

  • @thalesbastos3915
    @thalesbastos3915 5 років тому +1

    Thank you sooooo much!!!

  • @leeluu998
    @leeluu998 4 роки тому

    I hope you're gonna be a math teacher because yours videos are so clear and precises

  • @koltonjones866
    @koltonjones866 5 років тому +2

    Your videos should be required viewing for most math classes. Do you do anything for dicrette algebra?

  • @leoarzeno
    @leoarzeno 3 роки тому

    great video

  • @edgardojaviercanu4740
    @edgardojaviercanu4740 3 роки тому

    Beautiful!

  • @user-kw5qv6zl5e
    @user-kw5qv6zl5e 2 місяці тому

    Throw in a bit of an explanation of Eulers formula in terms of the Taylor series of e^x polynomial... love your passion...😊

  • @debaprasadparui4757
    @debaprasadparui4757 4 роки тому

    Sir you are awesome....!!!!

  • @ffggddss
    @ffggddss 5 років тому +2

    Before 1 min: There's a 3rd way to interpret the angle - the arc length subtended on a unit circle, whose equation you've written: x² + y² = 1.
    This may or may not work for the unit rectangular hyperbola; I'm checking into that. It does have the right behavior near 0, and it does go to ∞, but those are no guarantee...
    Fred

  • @ugursoydan8187
    @ugursoydan8187 4 роки тому

    thanks

  • @_DD_15
    @_DD_15 5 років тому +5

    Omg.. The biggest problem of my life.. Finally solved 😱😱😱😱😱impressed

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 років тому +1

      DD
      Yup!!!! : )

    • @_DD_15
      @_DD_15 5 років тому +2

      @@blackpenredpen I have plenty of calculus books and have never seen that one around, weird :)

  • @a.a.sunasara9202
    @a.a.sunasara9202 5 років тому +1

    Bruh😍awesome.... Love ot

  • @irrelevantgaymer6195
    @irrelevantgaymer6195 4 роки тому +11

    What I think is cool is if you were to somehow create a 4D graph and declare your x, y, z, and t axis, and call the z axis the imaginary input and call the t axis the imaginary output, the function x^2+y^2=1 on the t axis looks like x^2-y^2=1 and vice versa. So I kind of think of the hyperbolic function as a complex version of the circle function and vice versa

  • @Thoalfeqargamer
    @Thoalfeqargamer 4 роки тому

    i love you man 💕💕💕💕

  • @khaled014z
    @khaled014z 5 років тому

    hey bprp, there was an integral video involving cos's and sin's I think and you solved it with a creative way of adding 2 solutions of 2 integrals together and I can't find that video, any ideas? thank you :D

  •  5 років тому +4

    Cool!!!! So one can get the derivative of sinh and cosh using chain+product rule from the equal sin/cos statement, never thought on that :-O I always did that from the definition of sinh/cosh only ("e-stuff").

  • @ian-ht1nf
    @ian-ht1nf 5 років тому +15

    9: 26 "isin(it)"?

  • @alaba5085
    @alaba5085 5 років тому

    ¡¡Lo máximo!!

  • @alejrandom6592
    @alejrandom6592 2 місяці тому

    Easy way:
    exp(it)=cos(t)+i*sin(t)
    But also
    exp(it)=cosh(it)+sinh(it)
    Pairing up the odd part with odd part, and even with even we get:
    cosh(it) = cos(t)
    sinh(it) = i*sin(t)

  • @davidmorochnick498
    @davidmorochnick498 5 років тому

    QUESTION: With -i out in front of sin(it), [-isin(it)], doesn't the proof fail?

  • @afafsalem739
    @afafsalem739 5 років тому

    Yes it's very cool

  • @bernardfinucane2061
    @bernardfinucane2061 5 років тому +1

    Very cool

  • @nishasharma-gk5bo
    @nishasharma-gk5bo 2 роки тому +1

    Look at this cute face he is blushing while playing with Maths 😍 ,maths must be his love.

  • @h4c_18
    @h4c_18 5 років тому

    What about x=sec(t) and y=tan(t) for 0

  • @drshamajain4149
    @drshamajain4149 4 роки тому

    What we do with the part of the hyperbola on the left side

  • @billazz9176
    @billazz9176 4 роки тому

    RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE, RIGHT HERE

  • @spelunkerd
    @spelunkerd 5 років тому

    I'm headed back to your channel to find the link to "even" and "odd" parts of e^t, described at 15:18. Not sure where to look....

    • @spelunkerd
      @spelunkerd 5 років тому

      Ah, found it here. ua-cam.com/video/oLZoGEcJ2YE/v-deo.html

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 років тому

      It's here: ua-cam.com/video/oLZoGEcJ2YE/v-deo.html

  • @tunneloflight
    @tunneloflight 2 роки тому

    Plot them! The hyperbolic sin and cos “jump” off the tops and bottoms of the sin and cos at right angles in the y-i plane. Likewise, when sinh and cosh are real, sin and cos are at right angles in the y-i plane. Etc…. It is beautiful. Next extend to tan and tanh, sec and sech …. Then extend to Bessel and J functions!

  • @gwalla
    @gwalla 10 місяців тому

    Are there other conic section analogues of the trigonometric functions? Parabolic sine? Elliptical cosine?

  • @thomasolson7447
    @thomasolson7447 Рік тому

    I noticed that to. But I went the arctan route.
    cos(i*arctan(3/4))-i*sin(i*arctan(3/4))=1.9031323020709
    cos(arctan(i*(3/4)))+sin(arctan(i*(3/4))) =sqrt(7)(4/7+3/7i) for tan= i*3/4
    Works just fine this way. You can do geometry with it.
    It's just pythagorous' theorem with an 'i' in it.
    [x/sqrt(x^2+y^2), y/sqrt(x^2+y^2)]

  • @KwongBaby
    @KwongBaby 5 років тому

    What's the usage of sinh and cosh?

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 5 років тому

    Rational paramerization of hyperbola is based on observation
    (1-t^2)^2+(2t)^2=(1+t^2)^2
    (2t)^2=(1+t^2)^2-(1-t^2)^2
    1=\left(\frac{1+t^2}{2t}
    ight)^{2} -\left(\frac{1-t^2}{2t}
    ight)^{2}

  • @helloitsme7553
    @helloitsme7553 5 років тому

    Tbh I've always felt like this is true because I can say integral of 1/1-x^2 dx = integral of 1/1+(ix)^2 and then use u-sub. But at the same time, the integral is tanh(x)

  • @mehwishbhatti6207
    @mehwishbhatti6207 Рік тому

    Can you please make a video relating tan and tanh

  • @Koisheep
    @Koisheep 5 років тому

    Well to some extent you can also use x(t)=sqrt(1-t) and y(t)=sqrt(t) I mean (?)

  • @comingshoon2717
    @comingshoon2717 4 роки тому

    Tengo sueño ... pero igual veo estos videos aunque hayan sido contenidos que vi hace muchos años!....

  • @user-kw5qv6zl5e
    @user-kw5qv6zl5e 2 місяці тому

    How's your stock of whiteboard pens ? 😊

  • @nicholaslau3194
    @nicholaslau3194 5 років тому +18

    Damn clickbait title! I wish professors can use clickbait to make lectures more interesting

  • @rishinandha_vanchi
    @rishinandha_vanchi 4 роки тому

    ellipse eqn in complex extended x-plane-y-axis will be a hyperbola in the Im-x-side. This so parametric forms cos and cosh are complex and real counterparts

  • @zralok
    @zralok 5 років тому +1

    That's in my textbook xD

  • @Anonymous-rr5cx
    @Anonymous-rr5cx 5 років тому +1

    Sir at 6:50 u said imaginary looking
    Theta = it
    So t is also imaginary so that they can be real
    Sin theta = real function
    Sin h x= imaginary function
    ??????
    Sir please please clear this doubt
    Thank you

  • @artey6671
    @artey6671 5 років тому +2

    You don't even need Euler's formula to show that cos(it) = cosh(t). You can also show that their power series are the same.

    • @koenth2359
      @koenth2359 5 років тому

      Yeah, Tibees just did that Bob Ross style!

    • @artey6671
      @artey6671 5 років тому

      You mean her newest video? I don't see any cosh in there.

    • @koenth2359
      @koenth2359 5 років тому

      @@artey6671 yeah guess you are right. May have misremembered.

  • @TheNerd484
    @TheNerd484 5 років тому +4

    We just went over sinh and cosh in my calc class today. What are the chances? This is a much more complete explination than we got.

  • @armchairtin-kicker503
    @armchairtin-kicker503 8 місяців тому

    Then there is Osborn's Rule, a very useful relationship between trigonometric and hyperbolic functions and identities.

  • @coisasdemacho1594
    @coisasdemacho1594 5 років тому +2

    If I stick a string at (0,0) with lenght=1 and make a complete rotation it will give me x^2 + y^2=1 and all trig. magic. Following the same "string" example, how can I define hiperbolic graphic x^2 - y^2=1????

    • @kaszimidaczi
      @kaszimidaczi 5 років тому

      Easy, you just need a stretchy string to follow the hyperbola with ;d

    • @Harkmagic
      @Harkmagic 5 років тому

      I think you need to draw that circle in the imaginary world.

    • @user-vj7uc9tj7c
      @user-vj7uc9tj7c 5 років тому

      You can do something similiar.
      In a spherical world, that has radius of one, if you draw a specific line, you'll get the unit circle.
      In a specific hyperbolic world, do the same thing, and get the unit hyperbola.
      These 2 worlds' geometry work in a non-flat world. They (and some others) are called Non-Euclidean Geometries. The Euclidean one works only on a flat surface/world, and is the one we're most familiar with.

  • @abdonecbishop
    @abdonecbishop 10 місяців тому

    makes me want to say.....this is wonderful short video.... beautiful work...so ...so ..excellent...but i think you need to add a quick physic conclusion to your video.........this certainly is one of the slickest short video in circulation....why?....because you connects non-Euclidean equilateral triangle's surface area(excess/deficit) change to a Euclidean triangle's total energy change and the triangle's inertial mass change dependent on (a function off) the average of the total number of summed ''-' , '+' and '0' Gaussian curved triangle edges counted ......

  • @bullinmd
    @bullinmd 4 роки тому

    Ever heard of gd(x), the Gudermannian function?

  • @nicolasinostrozamoreno4248
    @nicolasinostrozamoreno4248 5 років тому

    Why you don't have spanish subtitles ?? Its so interesting

  • @rot6015
    @rot6015 5 років тому

    OMG!!!! @&@&&@&@&@; THIS IS SO EXTREME LIKE THE TITLE!!!

  • @snejpu2508
    @snejpu2508 5 років тому

    What do you need hyperbolic functions for in math? Of course, except defining them and solving equations with them?

    • @nicolastroncoso1791
      @nicolastroncoso1791 5 років тому

      to simplify the work or notation of multiple real life problems, instead of putting an enormous amount of digits you simply use hyperbolic functions, same as trigonometry in general

  • @shoobadoo123
    @shoobadoo123 3 роки тому

    What about cosh(it)

  • @rafaellisboa8493
    @rafaellisboa8493 5 років тому

    Could you make a vid about Lobachevsky space pleaseee? don't make me beg

  • @siddharthsengar8859
    @siddharthsengar8859 5 років тому +34

    after all i've been through in last year , "Imaginary" is a inappropriate title.

  • @AayushDuttaStanish
    @AayushDuttaStanish 5 років тому

    Can u Integrate xtan(x)? 😛 Help me if u can. I really love ur Videos. I learn a lot from them. Thanks

  • @ny6u
    @ny6u 3 роки тому

    Gorgeous

  • @decay2__
    @decay2__ 5 років тому +1

    You probably don't know this but you made a pun at 5:49

  • @mathteacher2651
    @mathteacher2651 5 років тому

    Another great video - kid!

  • @canaDavid1
    @canaDavid1 3 роки тому +1

    Wait... Are the trig functions C -> N? Or can some input a+bi give imaginary output?

    • @justacutepotato2945
      @justacutepotato2945 3 роки тому

      they're C->C. Also, you put C->N, pretty sure you meant C->R or C-> [-1,1].

    • @canaDavid1
      @canaDavid1 3 роки тому +1

      @@justacutepotato2945 yeah, you're right. And I meant C->R.

  • @geoffstrickler
    @geoffstrickler 3 роки тому

    3^2 - 2^2 = 1 too. 😎

  • @dwarkeshdhamechahiteshdham7336
    @dwarkeshdhamechahiteshdham7336 5 років тому

    Wow

  • @jimallysonnevado3973
    @jimallysonnevado3973 5 років тому

    Still unsatisfied how can you say that this equation can make the area t/2 and is there a way to come up with this formula using calculus like what you can do with sin and cosine by knowing the derivatives first then using taylor then coming up with a formula like eulers identity

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 років тому

      Jim Allyson Nevado as I said in the video. I will do a proof for that. So stay tuned!

    • @jimallysonnevado3973
      @jimallysonnevado3973 5 років тому

      blackpenredpen waiting for that

    • @jimallysonnevado3973
      @jimallysonnevado3973 5 років тому +1

      blackpenredpen oops i apologize for not listening carefully

  • @musicandmathematics7897
    @musicandmathematics7897 4 роки тому +1

    We have theta be real and t be real also. So, how can we put theta = it ??

  • @Lucky10279
    @Lucky10279 2 роки тому

    0:57 Shouldn't the area = t? The area 0f a unit circle is A = 2π and the area of a sector of a circle is A*(corresponding angle of sector/2π), assuming the angle is in radians. Hence, the area in the diagram should be 2π•t/2π = t.

    • @maximkarpov5123
      @maximkarpov5123 2 роки тому +1

      Area of circle with r = 1: pi * r ^ 2 = pi. Not 2pi.

  • @aswinibanerjee6261
    @aswinibanerjee6261 5 років тому

    Why you don't advatise for patrion

  • @_DD_15
    @_DD_15 5 років тому

    Btw, is this a newly discovered relation?

    • @tupperwallace9048
      @tupperwallace9048 5 років тому +2

      Yes, considering that the history of mathematics goes back millennia. Wikipedia dates them to the 1760s.

  • @kbotter3955
    @kbotter3955 5 років тому +1

    What does E equal?

    • @lewisbulled6764
      @lewisbulled6764 5 років тому

      2.71828182... it is transcendental.

    • @markorezic3131
      @markorezic3131 5 років тому

      Approximately 2.7182818
      Its a irrational and transcendental number like pi, its related to the exponential function

    • @andi_tafel
      @andi_tafel 5 років тому +2

      (1+1/n)^n if n goes to infinity

    • @dranxelaa6770
      @dranxelaa6770 5 років тому +7

      e=3=pi *isn't* *it* *?*

    • @omarifady
      @omarifady 5 років тому

      Sum from 0 to infinity of 1/n! 😃

  • @jesselapides4390
    @jesselapides4390 3 роки тому +1

    *slaps theta* TAG YOU'RE (it)

  • @MVEC_MuthuKumar
    @MVEC_MuthuKumar 5 років тому

    lim x → 0 sin2x^(tan2x) ²

  • @Brian-pf6yb
    @Brian-pf6yb 11 місяців тому +1

    cosh(it)

  • @draztrazh6497
    @draztrazh6497 5 років тому

    The return of black shirt red shirt.

  • @urluberlu2757
    @urluberlu2757 3 роки тому

    you have 99% of like and 1% of dislike... Not too bad... I like ;-)

  • @urluberlu2757
    @urluberlu2757 3 роки тому

    so Mθ=Mit ....YAY!

  • @menjolno
    @menjolno 5 років тому +1

    Notice how close they are to co shit.

  • @smhemant9111
    @smhemant9111 5 років тому +1

    I am Waiting for you to proof that t in cosh( t )is half of that area.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  5 років тому +2

      This weekend. I am busy these days. Sorry.

  • @jinnjinn5567
    @jinnjinn5567 Рік тому

    sinh(x) = -i sin(ix)
    cosh(x) = cos(ix)
    tanh(x) = -i tan(ix)
    sinh(ix) = i sin(x)
    cosh(ix) = cos(x)
    tanh(ix) = i tan(x)