I didn't hate it....but man I didn't love it. I just think J.K. needs some help moving her ideas to the big screen. Still looking forward to see the rest, but it is losing it's magic..
I liked it a lot but the whole McGonagall thing was weird. I'm very convinced grindlewald is lying to credence though. Just like I think Kylo is lying to Rey about her parents.
In the Order of the Phoenix, Harry and Arthur Weasley are in the elevator at the ministry going down to the hearing, when paper airplanes fly in the elevator and Arthur says "Interdepartmental memos, they used to use owls, the mess was unbelievable." This explains why in Fantastic Beasts 2 they show owls delivering mail and then the cleaning machine and house elves cleaning up after the owls.
@@KnilchTV mine too. It was a nod towards those of us who remembered this little bit of trivia that doesn't matter to anything in the first HP books and movies :D
I think the blood pact is the reason Ariana was killed. They already made the pact, fought anyways, and that's why one of their curses rebounded and hit her instead, since it it didn't allow Grindelwald and Dumbledore to hurt each other.
Oh my God! That would make so much sense!! Like they both fired a Curse at the same time at each other and they sort of like bounced from them to her and one hit Ariana so it would explain why Dumbledore dont know wich curse hit her.
Or! It happened afterwards in result of Ariana dying. The 3-way duel resulting in her dying broke the hearts of both of them, knowing they both loved her. Maybe she tried to get them to stop fueding? That's why they promised: in honor of her dying wish. Basically: we don't have enough info yet.
What if Nagini joins Voldemort later on because Credence dies and Nagini blames Dumbledore for it. So she joins Voldemort in order to destroy Dumbledore (seeking revenge)
I wondered if nagini had a child that was an ancestor of Voldemort...explain his ability to speak to snakes and the reason why nagini is his most trused servant. She would do anything to protect her (great)/ grandchild
@@kirankaur5056 Wait, Voldemort is a descendant of Gaunts who are descendants of Slytherin who spoke Parseltongue (fandom says it comes from Naga) so he does not need to be Nagini's great grandson. And if he was, wouldn't he change into a snake like she did?
I thought it was recorded so close to the faces of the actors to portray the awkwardness that Newt was feeling, because it made the audience also awkward.
David Os yeah it was awkward. I watched it in the movie theater with a huge screen, so Newt was *right in my face!* It was awkward. But, I’m mean. Am I complaining?
My favorite thing in this whole movie is the scene between Dumbledore and Leta when they are talking about their siblings and it's actually some nice foreshadowing because they both indirectly killed their siblings
The part when Leta asks Newt if he remembers that she threw dungbombs to join him in detention, and Newt said no, immediately made me think that Newt didn't realize that Leta had joined him *intentionally*. It made me think that Newt did not believe at that moment that Leta was into him, and this is rather an unintentional confession on the (present) Leta's behalf about the strength of how she felt for him back then. Also, Newt seems to be the kind of guy who would be kind of clueless of his appeal. The fact that she remembered and mentioned that particular incident felt like a layered way of revealing that she still has feelings for him. I agree with the interpretation that Leta is hung up on Newt, but not the other way. For me, this one exchange kind of sums up their entire dynamic - past and present.
Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this: ua-cam.com/video/9AYVX6_6R2U/v-deo.html And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
I think newt still loves her but he's so awkward he could never tell her and he is too shy plus she's with his brother so he isn't going to say anything with his brother around or risk angering his older brother
I think Nagini's character was interesting because it showed that she doesn't want to join the "dark side". I wonder what makes her turn. It must have to do with Credence since she obviously cares about him
She was against Grindelwald but on the side of Voldemort. Riddle was the first human she could communicate with for years, that's why she was on Voldemort's side.
There's a video from another channel discussing this theory.. he lays it out pretty good, when naginis blood curse takes her over and she becomes a snake forever she looses her ability to communicate with other humans.. when Tom and nagini meet she gets to have conversations with someone again.. once she gets this back she does what ever it takes to keep that..
@@muserussell2377 because it's already a good enough reason for Nagini to align with Voldemort. also voldemort killing Grimdelwald is already a plus for her.
@@magnus3139 but wasn't she actually talking to Harry Potter before that in the zoo? I mean JK Rowling confirmed that the snake Harry set free was Nagini, didn't she?
Gonna post this at the start to make sure i say it before i hear it from yall or read it from someone else- favorite detail is when theyre in the minestry of magic in england and you see owls delivering messages instead of the enchanted messages and i remember Aurthur Weasley said that they used to use owls but they stopped because of the mess everywhere
I always saw that the weird Newt/Lestrange camera angles were to show Newt's eyes. Throughout most of the last film and this one, he does not make proper eye contact with anyone. However when he sees Leta's shoes you see him make eye contact. Showing that he cares for her more than he does for anyone else. If you have ever seen House M.D. there is an episode in which House saves a boy with Autism, as a thank you the boy makes eye contact with House. Same kinda thing in my eyes. I would hazard a guess that in a later film the same camera trick would be used to look at Tina too. Showing how much he cares for her.
Giz Edwards That’s actually really interesting and makes a lot of sense. I thought it was strange at first, too. I did notice they used that same camera angle from the Ministry in the Hogwarts flashback scenes, too. Where Newt and Leta are with the Bowtruckles.
I'm on the Autism spectrum and I understand exactly what you're saying with the eye contact. It's a cool thought that maybe Newt is on the spectrum and it fits with the character.
I think they were absolutely right. As a stand alone it may not make sense, but when I was watching it I quickly realized it was setting up the next movie, and then it made sense. Let's face it. There are supposed to be five movies in this series, so leaving open questions is going to entice people to come back to the next to see what the answers are. JK Rowling knows her world backwards and forwards. If she put something in there that doesn't make sense to us right now, I'm betting it's not a mistake
I feel the same way, I really enjoyed the parts I understood, I had to google everything else and I still don’t get it (that is why I’m watching this video)
I honestly wouldn't have minded if Jo had released five books as well for this series - she could've given us so many details in book form that can't all be efficiently conveyed through movies.
She may well do. I mean she's already extended the Potter universe by writing the school textbooks (Magical Beasts, Quidditch Through The Ages), Tales Of Beedle The Bard & the Cursed Child play. Newt was purely only a textbook author in the HP books, he's only ever referred to in 3rd person as a throwaway name & he's now got what, around 5 films? Who's to say he won't get the full book series.
I would love if she continues to tell this story up until what starts with Harry. This series ends around 1945, and I believe that’s when Tom Riddle finishes school. I would really enjoy seeing her tell the story of the First Wizarding War, including the Snape, Lily & James, the Order and up until the moment that the curse rebounds.
I loved when it was paneling down to where newt was in the ministry and you saw owls rather than flying letters and paper planes because "we used to use owls but it caused such a mess" (paraphrasing Mr. Weasly)
I have a theory about how Nagini ends up as Voldemort’s closest ally/pet. So she sides with Dumbledore and after losing the ability to change back into a human she lives at Hogwarts. She can no longer communicate with anyone which I imagine would be painfully lonely. Then one day a boy named Tom Riddle comes along and he can both speak to her and understand her and he’s the only one who can do that, that would absolutely endear him to her.
More than one person can achieve like minded theories from a similar plane to work with. Personally, I think that would make a lot of sense. Being trapped as a snake with no one to talk to after being a woman who has loved and lost, she would be clamouring for companionship.
No, Abernathy and Grindelwald switch places in the cell, when Abernathy first shows up in the door window. Reasons for this: 1) Abernathy wouldn't just be wielding the Elder Wand. 2) They said they cut off Grindelwald's tongue, but Abernathy was the one who needed his tongue restored. 3) Grindelwald (as Abernathy, prior to the carriage), was just trying to give the "wand" to them. He needed the madame president to nudge him to give the blood pact, which he didnt want to give at first. 4) That whole action scene wasn't to save Abernathy, it was to get back that blood pact back, but helping one of your biggest supporters escape with you was a reason also. 5) It was definitely just Polyjuice Potion. Abernathy had plenty of contact with Grindelwald prior to the escape to swap places and keep the polyjuice going.
Was just about to comment this. It is very clear that they have already swapped places. Even if you missed everything else, the fact Abernathy's tongue is missing and has to be restored by Grindelwald should make it obvious.
One thing I noticed is that Queenie and Jacob's relationship mirrors that between Merope Gaunt and Tom Riddle Sr. She falls in love with a muggle, she enchants him, he's upset with her actions once the spell is lifted, she is utterly devastated. The only real difference is that Jacob actually does love Queenie, where Riddle did not love Merope at all.
Different spell, I think. Dumbledore and Harry only know love potions and the Imperius curse, but if it were a potion, there would have to be a potion antidote or it would have to wear off, and it’s clearly not the Imperius curse. I’m thinking it’s something else, partly because of that big POP and the heart shape. It does hit override on Jacob’s will, though.
I thought that too, but I was glad when I noticed that there is (was) true love between them on either side and a child of theirs would propably not turn out as a straight Voldimort
I had a moment in the cinema where I was nearly sick and thought that they were legitimately Voldemort's parents... Then I put the pieces together and realised it couldn't be possible!
Grindelwald was a master of Transfiguration, and was so powerful that he could wandlessly transfigure himself to look like somebody else. He did the same trick in the first movie to become "Percival Graves". At first I thought it was Polyjuice, but after some research, I actually learned a lot.
I absolutely loved how they shot the extreme close-ups of Leta and Theseus at the beginning of the movie, and how in every scene Newt refuses to make eye contact with either character. I think its the best representation of social anxiety I've ever seen in cinema and I could relate to Newt in that way. It's supposed to make you very very uncomfortable, that's how Newt feels, he wants to look away, he feels too close. I understand if you've never had social anxiety before it just seems weird but I felt it was a great way to show you Newt's feelings.
You absolutley nailed this. I don't know why they are complaining so much about it. Maybe they have never felt social anxiety in a one on one conversation.
I really like that explanation, when you have social anxiety every interaction feels invasive and you have this desperate need to put some space between you and the other person.
I can definitely relate to not looking at people in the eyes, so I know what you mean about Newt. It makes me feel like too...real; though that explanation seems rather too simplified, it’s the best I could come up with.
Just think about what that guy is going to tell everyone. "Someone broke Grindelwald out." "Did you see who it was?" "It was Grindelwald..." It's all a performance. That is why he saves the guy at the end. He puts on a show, and leaves someone to tell the tale. Even the way he casts his spells is like he is conducting music. That is done for a reason. The reason he came back and played out the entire carriage scene instead of just walking away was to send a message. "Do you think you can hold me?"
@@paigetessera7761 Some people say "Why bother coming back for an underling? Why give him the blood pact in the first place?" There is some confusion about what happened. My comment is just my interpretation of what happened. This interpretation doesn't leave any confusion.
15:35 casting a spell to break one's fall is a form of magic that we've actually seen before, Hermione does it in Gringotts + Dumbledore does it to save Harry when he fell of his broom in prisoner of azkaban
I think that the type of magic that they were talking about that hadn't been seen before was the kind of puppeteering that Grindelwald was doing, because it didn't really look like he was using the Imperius curse, because for the imperius curse you don't have to actually do the movements yourself for the other person to do it. But I could be wrong.
I really loved the inclusion of Nicolas Flamel as a side character. His body may be weak and fragile but his magical powers are as strong as ever (also i had to smile when i saw the stone in his cupboard)
But there was no point to him being there. He showed up for no reason out of nowhere then didn't really do anything until he showed up at the end and did a semi-impressive spell. You could cut him completely and the movie would actually make more sense. I thought since he was in the trailers Grindlewald would be going after the sorcerer's stone or maybe try to question him on the deathly hallows, but no, he's just there.
show the triple that little Stone his cause and yeah I loved it to to all the people who sang he doesn't make any sense there well actually it does make someone out defense and frankly who cares it was freaking awesome honestly he was Dumbledore a friend right I think we should have one point at least get to see them interact just a little bit know a little more about this character who don't always been friends with for years firstly I think he might have been Dumbledore his mentor just saying
Maybe, Credence, is not an Obscurial, but instead, an Obscurus. Here's the story: Ariana Dumbledore is an Obscurial, because she suppressed her magical abilities. But, because those from the Dumbledore family are so magically gifted, she developed a very special, powerful, and unusual kind of Obscurus: one with its own consciousness: a dark twin, to Ariana. Maybe the Obscurus was able to manifest itself physically, or it was apparent to only Ariana, but someone knew it was conscious, hence it being given a name: Aurelius. When Ariana died in 1899 (roughly matching with the time "Credence" would have been born), the Obscurus was released from Ariana, and became an entire entity all of its own, manifesting as a baby, which would then be taken in by someone bound, for America.
Ashton Vander Molen That would make so much sense!! That would explain how Credence is a Dumbledore and the Phoenix and everything!! This is actually one of my favorite theories about the Crimes of Grindwald.
I really like this one, it would explain why he is technically a brother to Dumbledore. If it is true though it may be complicated to explain in the movie
The problem is the timeline. Dumbledore was born in 1881 and she died when he was 17/18. So she died in 1898. Credence wasn’t born until about 1907. We know this because Leta was born in 1896/97 and we see her at about the age of 10 switching the babies which once again is in approx 1907. So according to your theory Ariana’s obscurious would have to just hang out in limbo for nearly a decade.
@@jamesstanton1452 but we know they can hang out in limbo, as shown in Newt's case. So the only problem i see is them having to explain where and what it was doing in the limbo time period.
The part about the Blood Pact - happened before the three-way duel - Dumbledore admits to having used a killing curse in the battle, the magic of the blood pact protected Grindelwald and deflected it - killing Ariana.
Or it could be that they both used the avada curse at each other at the same time. This deflected off both and one deflection hit arianna, and albus doesn't know if it was his shot or gellart's who did the killing, Hence his eternal regret.
@@purpledeer1 this makes more sense.. cuz even priori incantatem wont be able to solve this confusion. and dumbledore never used avada kedavra anymorer in his life. wish newt was there to use his golden fairy dust magic to recreate the events and get to the bottom of the case
Well, in the German version she says "Ich liebe dich", which is singular for "I love you" (we differentiate singular and plural "you", and plural would be "Ich liebe EUCH" ... on the other hand, we both call "she" and "they" "sie", so we also have our problems with pronouns, but just with the third person, not the second - which is not so bad though because the verb changes in plural as well, so you can differentiate "sie ging"/"she went" and "sie gingen"/"they went" pretty well, even though "she" and "they" are the same word). Long story short, that's why I never considered her talking to Theseus when saying "I love you", the story pretty much sets it up for Leta being affected to Newt. This may be a translation error but those you-issues happened a lot in Harry Potter novels and films and the German translators actually contacted Rowling to learn about what the correct translation would be, so I guess they did it that time as well. I can't imagine they didn't consult the producers on such an important issue. I'm pretty much convinced Leta only meant Newt. (btw, that's why many people assumed correctly who R.A.B. was after the sixth book. They looked it up on other languages. The abbreviation only worked for one single character, which was Regulus. Every single translator learned how to correctly translate R.A.B. regarding Regulus's translation into those translators' languages.)
I agree. It shows the true nature of love is not black and white like movies like to make it. It a combination of logic, culture, hormones, past history, future hopes. It's complicated, and you can love more than one person for different reasons.
Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this: ua-cam.com/video/9AYVX6_6R2U/v-deo.html And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
12:51 my interpretation was that Grindelwald used polyjuice potion with Abernathy before the scene started. Abernathy (posing as Grindlewald) had his tongue cut out and was always the one in the carriage. The only reason Grindlewald (posing as Abernathy) gave the Blood Bond away is because the Leader of MACUSA (can’t remember her name) told him to, and refusing her orders would arouse suspicion. You can see in the scene that ‘Abernathy’ was reluctant to give the bond away. Also, since the polyjuice was about to run out, Abernathy’s cover wouldn’t remain for long so Grindlewald needed to get out quickly. But he had to go after the blood pact first, and when he apparates onto the carriage the polyjuice runs out (they probably took it at the same or at similar times, perhaps splitting up one batch between them). Grindlewald decides to save Abernathy because one more follower can’t really hurt, and Abernathy was proven to be loyal to the cause by agreeing to the switcheroo in the first place. So it was Grindlewald on top of the carriage with the elder wand casting all those crazy spells, Abernathy was inside the carriage the whole time. I believe showing Abernathy holding the Elder Wand is a clue to the audience to say ‘that isn’t Abernathy’
@@MrNicolinoTv I would not think that. I think Grindelwald forced a body swap onto him, that's why Grindelwald swapping bodies was smooth for Abernathy had to contort himself onto Grindelwald's position. You're forgetting Grindelwald is top tier Metamorphmagi and HAS done spells we've never even heard of. You're also forgetting Grindelwald has been locked up since before any of this happens, and Abernathy has never had direct contact with him. ( IE, at which point would Grindelwald be unsupervised enough time to drink a Polyjuice ) To finish off the real reasoning, once Abernathy takes position of Grindelwald's body and Grindelwald onto Abernathy's, Grindelwald rewards him with "this ( waves wand)" and gives him a serpent tongue as a replacement. And just a rebuttal, Abernathy would NOT be as strong of a wizard to take that whole fleet of guards like that, even with Grindelwalds ( not actually his supposedly ) Elder Wand he would not have perfected the execution of that breakout. Grindelwald knows the Blood Pact is unbreakable and there's no way he wouldn't recover it after getting rid of everyone else.
56:49 2 year waiting period. Then Covid. The Johnny Depp getting fired. Oh how things have changed. I want them to do a updated video on their thoughts on the cast.
@@daftwulli6145 they won’t ask him. The media is still trying to push Amber as the victim (even though we all know it was Johnny who was victimized) he’s had trouble getting work because the media won’t play nice and studios want good advertising. He’s no longer attached to Pirates or Fantastic Beasts.
@@shadowanderson2004 Yea modern feminism has huge troubles admitting men can also be victims (unless the abuser is another man) and that women can be abusers. An estimated 40% of all domestic abuse victims arhe men, yet there is practically zero shelter placesd available to them or other valid help,. If you try to open up, you better be prepared for huge feminist protests.
@@shadowanderson2004 hear me out here, maybe both are bad? It seems pretty obvious that the relationship was mutually toxic and the only way to handle it fairly at this point is to have whatever social punishments (blacklisting, firing from projects, etc) be dolled out relatively equally to both. It won't happen because society needs to have one hero and one villain, but that seems like the thing that makes most sense especially with the current trial going on.
Grindelwald wanted and needed to show the world that he could escape MACUSA. It’s superficial to think it was about Abernathy. If he escaped quietly, MACUSA could probably keep it under wraps. To escape in this manner and to show followers that he stands by those loyal to him just gives him huge credit leading up to the largest recruitment forum he’s ever had.
Exactly. Also the thing about him not caring enough to go and save his follower would be comparing him to voldemort, who was a murdeeing psychopath with dreams of invincible immortality, this grindelwald just wants power by being the most charming and manipulating. If word got out he replaced himself with someone else, and had that man tortured and maimed without batting an eye, he wouldn't be perceived half as well in paris
As far as Grindelwald's personality, it makes sense that he would want people to know that he had escaped. I can't explain when he switched places with Abernathy but the whole "grand escape" was really just the biggest superficial act of all.
Actually that makes a lot of sense. I asumed during the movie that he took a polijuice potion (I do not know why the Cbrothers dismiss this idea but probably they have a good reson) to scape but their are right in the sense that if he is already 'free' he could just walk out. So I guess that scaping just to show the wolrd that he can scape the MACUSA is a very good explanation...
Andrea Vilar Melego Polijuice potion doesn’t give you the ability to speak in that persons voice. That might be the reason they dismissed it. This is a good theory though!
@@lunarfaeby Yes it does! They said this in a video I think: That it's so weird that in the books you automatically get the voice too, and just in the seventh movie, when Harry, Ron and Hermione break into the ministry of magic, the movie makers made them KEEP their original voices in order to not confuse the audience who's who. But actually, according to the books, the voice changes when taking Polyjuice!
I walked out of the movie glowing with excitement, but I do agree with a comment made by my dad, which is that the story would have been better as a book, because you can put more stuff in a book. Therefore they sort of had to jam pack the movie with information and everything did feel a little cramped. As far as speculation goes, I love watching your videos and getting hyped and making the two year wait feel shorter. It doesn't ruin the movie or anything for me personally. Keep theorizing! P.S. the salamander scene was my favorite as well 😊 so cute
yeah, you can tell JK wrote this movie on her own. They'll probably learn from the mixed critics/fan response to bring back a screen-writer for the sequel. But they've put a lot of interesting things together in this movie that I can't wait to see how the story continues in the sequel.
This is a great theory. The knowledge of an incident like this could be the reason why Dumbledore understands so well the protective power of the sacrifice of Harry's mom throughout the original series. A spell that went wrong due to a form of conflict and in both cases someone gets hurt that was not supposed to.
J Lord Didn't he say that it was so complicated in the fight that he didn't know who was fighting whom and who cast the fatal spell that killed Ariana?
J Lord Aberforth says "‘- and I think she wanted to help, but she didn’t really know what she was doing, and I don’t know which of us did it, it could have been any of us - and she was dead.’"
The elf's are probably sitting on the chairs magically washing that way they can see the window better because if they were all the way on the floor and they were washing the window they might not be able to see a little speck on the window that didn't get cleaned properly so they're floating so they can see the window in order to clean it and make sure it's completely clean that's what I think at least
My husband who admittedly isn't a Harry Potter fan really liked this movie. He even said it was really good and he'd see it again. (He has watched all the other Harry Potter movies because of me). I also personally really enjoyed it and felt like it could have been longer without it feeling dragged out.
So my theory on “Aurelius Dumbledore” *rolls eyes so far back into head that only accio can get them back*. Because Dumbledore and Grindelwald had the blood pact, they then became blood brothers. The whole point of a blood pack is that they share blood, they have each other’s blood. So because they are blood brothers, Grindelwald is a technical Dumbledore and can summon a phoenix (Fawkes?). So it’s not Creedence/Aurelius summoning a phoenix, it’s Grindelwald summoning a phoenix and playing it off as Creedence did. (Please like so they can see this)
Dumbledore and Grindlewald loved each other romantically. Or at least Dumbledore loved Grindlewald. That's why Dumbledore says "oh, we were more than brothers", and Dumbledore's heart's desire that appears in the mirror is the moment he and Grindlewald make the pact. It's like a marriage. A vow.
Lily Hessekiel Tbh I just thought that it was Grindelwald summoning a Phoenix because he’s capable of that for some reason, but there could actually be a reason. Who knows
Lily Hessekiel that’s a pretty good theory, I always thought of it as just- oh Grindelwald is just brilliant at magic, and this sort of cycles back to how Voldemort and Harry always had a part of each other within them.
I am glad Credence survived but, I hope he turns good again, he seemed so scared and desperate for love at times that I just wanted to give him a hug and tell him everything would be okay.
i was kinda confused cuz he never says "im nicholas flamel" but he says "im an alchemist" and then later jacobs like thanks mr flamel but jacobs a nomaj he doesnt know who that IS
Faith w/ Dad Pesz he does actually say his name it’s just that he’s so old and a thick accent that It was so hard to make out that he actually said his name, trust me I heard him introduce himself when shaking Jacobs hand but It wasn’t said super clearly if that makes sense
What if the Kelpie is the way he gets to Hogwarts in later movies? Like I feel they used it as foreshadowing. It would make sense if he needed to get to Dumbledore to help him or tell him something important.
HUGE POINT! Abernathy and Grindelwald didn't body switch. Remember the tongue cut out? Abernathy was already in Grindelwald in captivity. Then Grindelwald gives him his tongue back
Shaggster Man I just wish it were clearer: Picquery said that Grindelwald's guard had to change three times, perhaps Abernathy pulled something during this time?
This is my view: Grindelwald had his plan but he needed a guard to help him, so he convinced his guard to convert to his side, however the ministry found out and changed his guard. He tried again, but once again the ministry found out. Then he got Abernathy, who didn't get caught. When Abernathy was sent to prep Grindelwald for transport, he and Grindelwald swapped places (I had assumed with a polyjuice potion). Remember the part where Abernathy is looking at Grindelwald through the slot in the door? I think it was just after that that they swapped. Grindelwald, as Abernathy, got the elder wand and put Antonio (the poor lil bean) in the wand box (this had to have been done after they swapped cause Antonio was with Grindelwald until the last moment). Then the transport happens, the polyjuice (or whatever) wears off, everything happens. As for why the elaborate plan? I get the impression (from his talent, charisma, manipulation, etc) that Grindelwald likes to show off, he likes to perform
TokuTickler but still it's not necessarily intelligent. Because Ariana was already an established character. It would have been easier to come up with a name that connects to Ariana. Either Rowling did that to genuinely shock us or it could be just a build up to nothing.
Thought of another thing, would make a great theory video for you! Nicolas Flamel has a minor part, and while most are focusing on the fan service shot of the philosopher's stone in his safe, I have another angle. He takes out a book, flips through, and speaks with a woman in a portrait. The woman tells him "He says you need to help them" (or something similar to that affect). This tells us something important! First, the 'He' has to be Dumbledore, so there is a group working with him - we also know this from a comment Dumbledore makes in his classroom to the head of magical law enforcement when he says (I'm paraphrasing): "You can keep watching me and my friends, but there is no plot against you, we want the same thing". Again, showing there is a group working with Dumbledore. Now you may ask, what group? I say, this is the origin of the 'Order of The Phoenix'! Think about it! Dumbledore can't work against Grindelwald yet because of the blood pact, so he has his own group doing the work. We learn in this movie that a Phoenix will come to a member of the Dumbledore family in a time of need. Dumbledore needs help because he can't act, so the group comes to him in his time of need, just like a Phoenix would. Therefore I present to you, the Order of the Phoenix is born! You're welcome, I expect credit in your next theory video ; )
My theory on the Phoenix is that it came to Grindelwald because of the blood pact. Those who have blood pacts are often called blood brothers so he would “be a Dumbledore” and be able to summon a Phoenix. After all the birdy that walks on to his hand and later transforms is in Grindelwalds hand. In the first scene Newt saying he doesn’t remember. The vibe I got from that is that he was about to say yes he did remember but when he saw Theseus begin to walk in and remembered their engagement he denied it out of respect for his brothers relationship and not wanting Theseus to overhear about it. Also I think Queenie might have been under the Imperius curse because as she walks through the flame you see her in pain almost as if she’s not totally making the vow on her own volition. That could have just been her fighting over loyalty to Grindelwald or to Jacob. Anyways that’s my two cents.
I think they accidentally killed her and then made the blood pact, although I am not denying your thinking as it seems reasonable. Ariana died at age 14 in 1899, Albus was born in 1881, 4 years before Ariana in 1885, which means that by her death he would be 18, but as he attended school from 1892-1899 that means he finished school months prior to her death? She died late summer 1899, which means that he would not be at Hogwarts. BUT, Grindelwald was born 2 years later than Albus, which means that he would be starting his sixth (?) year. So, looking at that, we can say that they might have fought before Grindelwald's sixth year, they could have killed Ariana, and then Grindelwald and Albus could have made the blood pact.
@@ToxicKnyfe except Grindelwald fled as soon as he saw Ariana was dead and Albus didn't see him again until the duel where he beat Grindelwald. Also Grindelwald was expelled from Durmstrang at that point, so his year in school is irrelevant.
I think ABERNATHY is more important than you give him credit for. 1. Remember. "Graves" worked at the ministry and would have been watching everyone. He handpicked his allies (including Abernathy and Queenie). 2. Maybe Abernathy is a metamorphmagus. It would explain many things. And Grindelwald would have known that already. 3. If Grindelwald was not familiar with Queenie while disguised as Graves, Abernathy definitely knew her. He was serving as Grindelwald's spy and could have filled him in on her talents and situation. They for sure had their eye on her for a while. 4. I don't think they sent Queenie to Paris, but they knew that she would leave NY to be with Jacob and she would follow her sister. Rosier was at the French Ministry when she arrived looking for Tina, so she knew they could proceed with their plan.
So I watched Where to find them as soon as I returned home from the movie. I agree with the hand picking and the metamorphagus. I also think that the imperious curse was used a lot! Looking back at it changed my whole perspective on the first movie, Newt telling Queenie to get out out of my head repeatedly, because he didn’t want her to know he was there for Dumbledore. Also I think GG imperious or was trying to imperious Madame President. But I hope Graves is alive and in Nurmengard! I think that’s going to be a big point coming up.
@@Air0Sparks but Newt wasn't like actively aware that Dumbledore sent him there was he? D just made sure he found the thunderbird or am I remembering it wrong?
Unkl Paulie M - Definitely agree that if Percival Graves is still alive, he will be used to introduce Nurmengard’s prison. The scene when Leta sacrifices herself, proves that Grindelwald handpicks his acolytes. She was the only Auror he personally offered “freedom” and “home” to.
Kelpie scene: a distraction to hide the fact that we have just been introduced to the suspiciously personality-free Bunty, whose unrequited and possibly unnoticed crush on Newt will turn her to Grindelwald, at which point she might play a significant role by betraying Newt from resentment. My guess anyway.
that makes sense and seeing as i do things like that a lot in my own writing i’m annoyed i didn’t notice it myself, that scene would make a lot more sense if it was pretending to be about the kelpie but actually establishing her character and motives
I was surprised that there wasn’t an end credit scene showing Bunty’s attempts to help the animals. As for the theory, it sounds possible but her betraying complete lack of personality beyond liking Newt would make it a bad twist.
I'm fairly sure that we will see Aberforth and his goats in future movies ☺ Because they need to go back eventually to Godric's Hollow and show what really happened there: how Albus and Gellert made the blood pact and how Ariana really died. I also think this: If Credence is really part of the Dumbledore family, then Aberforth might know more about this. He might even have been the one who shipped Credence to America.
Tina does indeed whisper “Newt” when she first sees him in the sewer. I think she’s in a bit of shock after not seeing him for a year, but then collects herself and it’s back to “mr Scamander”. There is a reaction shot of Newt that shows a confused dismay on his part upon hearing her use his surname. It’s very subtle and, as you pointed out, Eddie Redmayne is excellent at portraying little moments like that. So glad you mentioned the whole Salamander scenario, I have watched so many hate filled reviews that have brushed that side story aside, calling it pointless. I thought it was sweet and charming and added heart to an otherwise dark and foreboding movie. The audience I watched it with loved Jacob being Newt’s all knowing wingman and were in hysterics when he was trying NOT to say salamander...and there was a chorus of “Awwwws” when Tina finished the sentence for him. It was kinda cool seeing Newt have another passion besides his beasts.
Shawn Skelton agreed have watched it twice and both times in theater heard people either give a nice chuckle at the scene or awh at it for its obvious sweetness but it also being a little funny
Totally agree! The whole cinema went crazy when Jacob was like "just say whatever" then "NOT THAT", then when the moment finally came everyone was giggling and just couldn't wait for him to say salamander, AND THEN SHE DID, love
14:10 it seemed clear to me that Grindelwald had already swapped with Abernathy per silver tounge, but needed an excuse to get to France without being followed directly. The breakout of then Abernathy served two purposes: 1 ride to Europe under a surprise step ahead 2. Retain a henchman to gather troops faster and show Gridelwald is different from Voldemort as he actually does care for his followers. As to the weather, since when do the wizards give a dirigible plum about getting wet? The storm may even have been drudged up by Grindelwald as cover to ensure the plan completion.
Had to pause the video. My theory. Dumbledore and grindewald made blood pact before ariana died. They fight despite their pact. Dumbledore wins but the curse because of the pact bounces off grinny and kills his sister. Hence why he blames himself
Dumberdore talks to Leta about losing his sister in the movie, BUT that doesn't mean Grindelwald wasn't involved. Aberforth tells Harry that their sister's loss was the result of Dumberdore's quest for power and not having time for his sister...so definitely his and Grindelwald's doing
@@foraslan4230 Yes, I was really sad in her involvement in this movie, but am excited to see her in later movies. DO you think her curse will turn her into a full snake by the end of he series??
@@hufflepuffoftime5842 I think it might, I'm excited to find out if we get to see how she turns to the "dark side" and if it's before or after her transformation
For the carriage at the begining, I think Grindelwald needs it to go to Paris. We know that wizards can not simply apparate to such a long distance and needs a mean of transportation to cross the ocean. Also, I had just assumed they both consumed polyjuice potion at some point. Abernathy must have been at some point alone with Grindelwald in order to be indoctrinated. They might have switched at that point. The one who got his tongue cut might have been Abernathy all along.
Good point. maybe stealing this perticular carrige was necessary to go to Paris!But I think in somepoint the transfiguration was done by spell not polly juice cuz the effects fade out. I think Grindelwald is talented enough to transfigure both Abernathy and himself by spell.
Yeah that's what I thought as well! Can't really explain how and when, but I thought they switched places, both drank polyjuice potion (hence why they become their real selves kinda at the same time) and Grindelwald waited for the carriage to travel with it to Paris and needed Abernathy partly of a supported close to him (kinda like death eaters for Voldemort) partly to grow more powerful with people inside the minestry/Macusa
I really loved their storyline. It was surprising, you can't help but think that sweet Queenie won't go THAT FAR and yet she goes there. I would have liked more Tina/Queenie to even make the "loss" harder, but hey it was cool nonetheless. Both actors were really good in that final scene.
@@Yibambe. I get what you're saying but I respectfully must disagree that this was a character assassination of Queenie as she has always seemed more easily swayed by her emotions: in this case, her love for Jacob.
Needed 'brothers' like this when I was growing up and had no one to get in depth with about Harry Potter. Been binging this channel for the past few days and I absolutely love it all. Thank you for your content! ⚡
I feel like that's going to be SO important in the future films, it's probably how Dumbledore realised that Lily's protection bond to Harry is so strong
Grindelwald had switched with Abernathy earlier, then they cut Abernathy’s tough out (as he was disguised as Grindelwald). When they went to move Grindelwald to Europe, they put Abernathy in the carriage and Grindelwald, still disguised as Abernathy, hands the case over with the “wand” in it. It is either the president or Grindelwald who mentions the other item (spoilers) the blood pact. Grindelwald, currently disguised as Abernathy is hesitant in handing over the blood pact. When the president tells him to hand it over he is forced to or risk blowing his cover, therefore he must go after Abernathy in the carriage. To get back the blood pact, (spoilers) he knows only Albus Dumbledore can defeat him and therefore the blood pact is his most important belonging.
I thought that at first, when SCB started talking about that I was very confused because I thought I'd be obvious. Also, maybe he needed the carriage to be transported. I think it wouldn't be very easy for him to just hop on a boat or something.
I interpreted the opening scene as Abernathy switching places in the cell with polyjuice potion. That's why he lost his tounge and had grindelwald restore it. I'm assuming he needed the carriage to get back to Europe
With Dumbledore and the blood pact- when he drinks the potion in the cave he is crying and begging Grindelwald to stop hurting them and hurt him instead which sounds like he was helpless to stop Grindelwald attacking them ie because of the blood pact. All he could do was beg Grindelwald to stop which is partly why it haunts him for the rest of his life
Tbh I LOVE how they show Queenie's natural legilimancy. When she's looking for clues and she starts getting overwhelmed with thoughts. I liked that scene a lot Also I think Johnny Depp nailed the Grindlewald role
SAME!!! i was waiting so much for them to do a video because it hurts my brain so much to try to organize all the crazy parts of the movie that they do so well
The start of the movie when Grindelwald escaped was amazingly well done and set the dark tone for the rest of the movie. Also Jonny Depp nailed his performance. I was first skeptical, but man he killed it 👍👍
1) You can tell, the first time that Tina takes Next into Macusa that Graves/Grindelwald Is interested in Tina, look at his face when she is dismissed, and HE is the one who follows up, I feel it’s safe to say he has taken notice of the sisters and has atleast some sort of special interest in them. 2) Grindelwalds Fire. To me it was obvious that this is Fiend Fire, this is just the first time we’ve ever seen it used by a wizard competent enough to control it. 3) The reason the house elf levitates the chair and then uses magic to wipe the window above him is because he can’t see that high, magic is not infallible, it has limits. Especially with household spells, you can’t just cast a cleaning spell and expect it to have perfect effects without supervision/skill (Eh hem... Tonks) While house elves are more skilled in this area of expertise, buildings that house large congregations of magic can be much more difficult to manage than the average household. All magic leaves traces. I can’t imagine the work that goes in to keeping Hogwarts clean. That’s probably why they have so many house elves. 4) Abernathy was the one who almost stopped Queenie from leaving MACUSA in the 1st movie, it’s possible that he may have had a crush on her, and WHATEVER his reaction to Grindelwald, which must be significant since he spent the effort to ensure his escape as well as his own, Abernathy may have been the one to let on the Grindelwald that she was an legilimens. 5) The area the circus was in was a magical porthole, quite similar to the entrance to diagonal alley, but seems to be a center more for magical events and parties than magical shopping, so it makes sense that most witches and wizards would be well aware of quick exits. Seriously, considering how often muggle parties turn sour, one can only imagine that wizard of gatherings must turn even more quickly. Look at how quickly the patrons of the speakeasy in the first FB disappear at the slightest word of trouble. 6) I also have a lot of questions about why the MACUSA left credence in the care of a no-mag, as well as modesty, after Tina was penalized for protecting him from their adoptive mother. Why would they not have relocated them into magical families if they were so adamant on magical-no mag relations. Ahh.. I have more to say but alas it is 3 am
About the 6) i think i don't think they knew he was a wizard and they thought he was a muggle/no-mag and because of the rapport law? they couldn't intervene in their business
For a character that EVERY MAIN CHARACTER WAS CONCERNED ON FINDING, he got VERY little attention and even lines in the movie. Very little development, aside from his sudden friendship with Nagini (no back story on how THAT happened yet) and oh yeah Grindelwald claiming that Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore. Cool reveal....if it made sense?!
Dr. Phill, Leta and Grindelwald were the only developed one. Newt didn’t change at all Jacob was useless in this movie Tina didn’t change as well Queenie was...tbh I don’t think this is the same Queenie from the first one.
The whole dumbledore and grindelwald fight where Ariana dies was after the pact. If you remember when dumbledore had to drink that potion when he was getting the horcrux with harry he was saying “please don’t hurt them hurt me instead” grindelwald couldn’t fight dumbledore so he had to hurt aberforth and Ariana. And maybe grindelwald and dumbledore tried to fight, but the magic of the blood pact repelled their curses and hit Ariana who died.
Did anyone else notice in the credits when they showed the blood pact pendant thing that there was a rainbow background just to be like, “Hey, just in case you haven’t figured it out or heard it already, Dumbledore‘s gay.” I laughed so hard and everyone looked a me weird. (Wonder why?)
I'm surprised you guys liked it so much because I'm a huge harry potter fan and I didn't like it at all. I didn't hate it, but so many plot holes popped up and there were so many useless scenes that didn't make sense. So many characters I wished they would show more that just were skimmed over (COUGH COUGH NAGINI COUGH COUGH) and a lot of the visually stunning scenes ruined the tone or didn't match up with what just happened. There were so many can of worms that they opened with that film and I'm still hoping it will all make sense if they tie up all the loose ends in the next one coming out...fingers crossed.
I'm also a huge Harry Potter fan but honestly I thought this was one of the best movies. When I first watched the first movie I hated it and I loved the second one! I think it's because the second one seems more Harry potterish more magical but the first one was like weird and idk the setting was weird. I know this is just me and that's fine but idk I personally even with the plot holes I think it's better and more interesting.
I'm pretty sure Grindelwald had his eyes on Queenie bc she's a Legilimens and he needed her to read Creedence's mind bc he knew Creedence would be fragile after he joined him. That way he could approach Creedence when the time was right and tell him he is a Dumbledore. Also, it's just good to have her around in order to manipulate people better.
Yeah, I was also wondering if maybe it wasn't the duel itself that killed Ariana, but the fact that they were sort of breaking the bloodpact and it took a life in retaliation.
I feel that it was Aberforth and Gindlewald who were fighting and Albus tried to possibly disarm them that one of their spells hit Arianna which killed her, and of course Albus sees himself to blame.
I don't know if death of a bystander would be inevitable, but it absolutely makes sense that they tried to duel after the blood pact and it didn't work and somehow caused Ariana's death
3 years late on the video but I love these types of videos and the theories because it gives me bits and pieces of the universe in the span of waiting for the next part. Even if we are wrong. If you are wrong and expected something different then you could just see it as throwing a curveball. But if you are right then you are like heck yes! I knew it!
@@gettfoffmynews3315 it’s different than HP but I still have loved the movies just because if gives me more of the world that I have loved since I was little. And I can’t wait for Secrets of Dumbledore
People overlook that Mcgonagall taught Augusta Longbottom as she knew that Augusta failed Charms OWL. Augusta was born pre 1947 according the wiki. The absolute latest she started Hogwarts would be in 1958. Augusta, according to the wiki, had Frank in 1957...so Augusta must have been born sometimes during the early 40s or late 30s or even earlier. If that is the case, that means Mcgonagall started teaching earlier as well and is older than what we thought.
I think it is quite possible that Grindelwald is toying with and manipulating Credence. By giving him the “Dumbledore” name, he may insinuate that the Dumbledores abandoned him and that they’re the villains. Because Credence has 0 prior impression of Dumbledore, he might choose to believe Grindelwald and will be used as a weapon against Dumbledore because he is a powerful wizard. This is potentially brainwashing an impressionable, terrified youth like Credence, to defeat Dumbledore and take over the world. We may see in Austria (where the next film will be set in) that Grindelwald and Queenie have trained him to harness his powers. As a result, his Obsurius most likely died off? Also that’s why Queenie conveniently enough becomes a key helper. In the last scenes in Austria, Queenie can read Credence’s mind and tell Grindelwald what persuasive strategy would be best used on Credence. After all, he’s rather unpredictable, mysterious and unstable. So with Queenie knowing what he wants, Grindelwald is guaranteed to manipulate him effectively. 2) How they found Queenie. An interesting scene where there’s use of noises and then silence when the lady shows up (who may master Occulemency). You can tell even from the first film how distressed or apologetic she is for her Leglimens. It’s a clear breaking point for her in this scene and thru the silence, she breaks free of that and becomes vulnerable to the lady. This creates the opportunity for Grindelwald to talk her into joining his side.
What if Ariana was killed during the duel because their fighting was against the blood pact? Think about it: Dumbledore and Grindelwald make the blood pact, then sometime later it reached the moment where Aberforth and them start fighting. Because Dumbledore and Grindelwald made the pact, when one of them fires a curse at the other, it rebounds cause of the pact and hits Ariana.
I have a theory about the blood pact but its kinda dumb soo Maybe we don't fully understand how blood pacts work yet? Perhaps, instead of just flat out preventing the two from fighting (or whatever else a person would make a pact for) it changes the outcome. So after the blood pact is made, when they attempt to duel, the actual pact is like "Umm excuse me no. You cannot fight. I'm going to show you what happens when you break a blood pact:" *gets ariana killed instead* So maybe somebody important to dumbledore will die (again) if he's the one to initiate the fight without breaking the pact Maybe dumbledore even knows this? And thats why he knows he can't fight grindewald Aside from this, isnt there something about oaths thats states a person will die if you break it? Maybe the pact has similar effects
This is a really good theory but I really wouldn't like it to be the case... I think that Ariana being a casualty from their battle for trying to help Dumbledore win is FAR better storytelling because Dumbledore feels regret at 3 levels. 1 he feels regret for allowing himself to love Grindelwald and ultimately getting his sister killed 2 he regrets being resentful towards his sister's condition and not giving her the love that she deserved and 3 he regrets being too weak magically to stop Grindewald and too weak argumentatively to stop the fight from hapoening... Dumbledore knowingly breaking the blood pact takes some away from all of this
@@adoniscreed4031 I understand all of that, and tbh it would be better reasoning and leave more emotional damage then "oh magic thing ok" But it was just a theory!
My theory is maybe there was a dark love story element?! JK Rowling has mentioned in the past Dumbledore is gay and the Mirror of Erised shows us our deepest most desperate desire. Could the reason that blood pact was viewed through the mirror, be that Dumbledore's deepest desire was Grindlewald? Maybe the blood pact was a love/marriage thing?
@@ash-tj5rl naw man, i hope not. That would not only be a really terrible way of including it, but it would also be a unoriginal thing as well. She did not sacrifice herself for them like Lily did for Harry, and it would really take away that kind of mistery around this type of protection
Well, in the German version she says "Ich liebe dich", which is singular (we differentiate singular and plural "you"... on the other hand, we both call "she" and "they" "sie", so we also have our problems with pronouns, but just with the third person, not the second), so I never actually thought about it being directed to Theseus in the first place. This may be a translation error but those you-issues happened a lot in Harry Potter novels and films and the German translators actually contacted Rowling to learn about what the correct translation would be, so I guess they did it that time as well. I'm pretty much convinced Leta only meant Newt.
Omg I was anxiously awaiting the Super Carlin Brothers take on this movie. You guys are my go to for analyzing the potter world. I LOVED the movie, it’s obvious that it’s part of a series. It’s frustrating to not have books or lore to reference! I do have faith that JK will tie everything together as the movies progress. I also feel like reading the Harry Potter books then watching the movie, although there were differences, was soooooo much more fun for me as a potterhead! Is it only me? Thanks for your videos I look forward to watching so many more.
I think only Potterheads(I m one too) loved this movie cause the couple sitting beside me were completely blank,they didn't understand what was going on in the movie.
Yes! I went with my sister likes the Harry Potter series but had no clue about the FB series (she kinda lives under a rock lol) and she was so so lost. But I loved it! I know JK will answer our questions in the movies to come but I just can’t wait!! Especially for the trailers for the Super Carlin Brothers to break down I love all their predictions and theories of the Wizarding world 🤗
I don't think it ever explains the whole Leta, Theseus and Newt thing but I suspect that Leta has always had self destructive tendencies because she feels she doesn't deserve anything good, like her relationship with Newt because she accidentally killed her brother. I think his deaths weighs heavily on her and everything she does is self destructive.
Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this: ua-cam.com/video/9AYVX6_6R2U/v-deo.html And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
15:18 ouuuhhh yesss, man. That spell is called Aresto Momentum. In the movie we first saw it in Prisoner of Azkaban, when Dumbledore saved Harry because he fell from his broomstick. Then, in Order of The phoenix at Department of Mysteries and the last one at Gringgots when Hermione produce the spell. ARRESTO MOMENTUM, MAN!!
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What did you think of the movie!? Love it? Hate it? Let us know!
It confused me so much! So glad you guys made this video! :)
I didn't hate it....but man I didn't love it. I just think J.K. needs some help moving her ideas to the big screen. Still looking forward to see the rest, but it is losing it's magic..
SuperCarlinBrothers I thought the movie was great and disagree with the critics completely
I liked it SOOOO much
I liked it a lot but the whole McGonagall thing was weird. I'm very convinced grindlewald is lying to credence though. Just like I think Kylo is lying to Rey about her parents.
In the Order of the Phoenix, Harry and Arthur Weasley are in the elevator at the ministry going down to the hearing, when paper airplanes fly in the elevator and Arthur says "Interdepartmental memos, they used to use owls, the mess was unbelievable."
This explains why in Fantastic Beasts 2 they show owls delivering mail and then the cleaning machine and house elves cleaning up after the owls.
I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed that.
I got a great chuckle out of that
This was my favourite bit of the movie :D
Nice observation
@@KnilchTV mine too. It was a nod towards those of us who remembered this little bit of trivia that doesn't matter to anything in the first HP books and movies :D
I think the blood pact is the reason Ariana was killed. They already made the pact, fought anyways, and that's why one of their curses rebounded and hit her instead, since it it didn't allow Grindelwald and Dumbledore to hurt each other.
Oh my God! That would make so much sense!! Like they both fired a Curse at the same time at each other and they sort of like bounced from them to her and one hit Ariana so it would explain why Dumbledore dont know wich curse hit her.
Or! It happened afterwards in result of Ariana dying. The 3-way duel resulting in her dying broke the hearts of both of them, knowing they both loved her. Maybe she tried to get them to stop fueding? That's why they promised: in honor of her dying wish.
Basically: we don't have enough info yet.
Huh, makes perfect sense.
I thought the reason for her death was something to do with her not wanting to have witch powers and became an obscurial which killed her
This makes sooo much sense. The only problem would be, that we don’t know it that is possible or how the blood pack works. This is so frustrating!!!
What if Nagini joins Voldemort later on because Credence dies and Nagini blames Dumbledore for it. So she joins Voldemort in order to destroy Dumbledore (seeking revenge)
I wondered if nagini had a child that was an ancestor of Voldemort...explain his ability to speak to snakes and the reason why nagini is his most trused servant. She would do anything to protect her (great)/ grandchild
I think she will change to protect credence not realizing he's been used by grindlewald then can't change back , but are all parcel mouths bad?
@@kirankaur5056 Wait, Voldemort is a descendant of Gaunts who are descendants of Slytherin who spoke Parseltongue (fandom says it comes from Naga) so he does not need to be Nagini's great grandson. And if he was, wouldn't he change into a snake like she did?
@@mirusama7045 he wouldn't change. Nagini has blood curse and that goes from mother to daughter and only women seems to have this blood curse not men
:O
One thing I don't think gets enough credit how Young Newt nails being "Newt, but younger."
Joshua Shea nailed his mannerisms and facial expressions
Wait that was not Eddie Redmayne made younger with CGI? Now that is impressive!
@@DoctorJammer Eh, some of them weren't really right, but I guess I don't know if someone else could've done better.
I thought it was recorded so close to the faces of the actors to portray the awkwardness that Newt was feeling, because it made the audience also awkward.
Agree. And probably also to mirror how he views Leda (or how they view each other) during their years in Hogwarts.
thought nothing of it. just a moment with newt playing a game he and his small friend bond over
David Os yeah it was awkward. I watched it in the movie theater with a huge screen, so Newt was *right in my face!* It was awkward. But, I’m mean. Am I complaining?
Yes!!! My first initial thought was, ok, this is how Newt sees the world, this is Newt's perspective
That was my initial thought. Some people are saying it was a possible re-shoot but I don't really think so.
I think when Dumbledore tried to cast a spell at Grindelwald, due to the blood pact, rebounded and hit the next person, Ariana.
Or Aurelius kills her
Holy mother of god, I think you’ve done it
zy2zy4zy that totally makes sense!
Or they both cast a spell and both hit her
That’s why he’s so scared of the blood pact
My favorite thing in this whole movie is the scene between Dumbledore and Leta when they are talking about their siblings and it's actually some nice foreshadowing because they both indirectly killed their siblings
wow so true
The part when Leta asks Newt if he remembers that she threw dungbombs to join him in detention, and Newt said no, immediately made me think that Newt didn't realize that Leta had joined him *intentionally*. It made me think that Newt did not believe at that moment that Leta was into him, and this is rather an unintentional confession on the (present) Leta's behalf about the strength of how she felt for him back then. Also, Newt seems to be the kind of guy who would be kind of clueless of his appeal. The fact that she remembered and mentioned that particular incident felt like a layered way of revealing that she still has feelings for him. I agree with the interpretation that Leta is hung up on Newt, but not the other way. For me, this one exchange kind of sums up their entire dynamic - past and present.
Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this:
ua-cam.com/video/9AYVX6_6R2U/v-deo.html
And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
I think he saw his brother approaching and decided not to remember.
I think newt still loves her but he's so awkward he could never tell her and he is too shy plus she's with his brother so he isn't going to say anything with his brother around or risk angering his older brother
Newt DID have feelings for her since they were together for a while as proven in the first movie.
I think Nagini's character was interesting because it showed that she doesn't want to join the "dark side". I wonder what makes her turn. It must have to do with Credence since she obviously cares about him
She was against Grindelwald but on the side of Voldemort. Riddle was the first human she could communicate with for years, that's why she was on Voldemort's side.
There's a video from another channel discussing this theory.. he lays it out pretty good, when naginis blood curse takes her over and she becomes a snake forever she looses her ability to communicate with other humans.. when Tom and nagini meet she gets to have conversations with someone again.. once she gets this back she does what ever it takes to keep that..
@@magnus3139 why are you discussing this like a fact?
@@muserussell2377 because it's already a good enough reason for Nagini to align with Voldemort. also voldemort killing Grimdelwald is already a plus for her.
@@magnus3139 but wasn't she actually talking to Harry Potter before that in the zoo? I mean JK Rowling confirmed that the snake Harry set free was Nagini, didn't she?
Gonna post this at the start to make sure i say it before i hear it from yall or read it from someone else- favorite detail is when theyre in the minestry of magic in england and you see owls delivering messages instead of the enchanted messages and i remember Aurthur Weasley said that they used to use owls but they stopped because of the mess everywhere
Nicely noticed! Just thought of that reading your comment :)
Cool (y)
I didn't pay attention
I saw that 2. Loved that someone else saw it.
Omg Yeah . Dude I got chills reading this
I always saw that the weird Newt/Lestrange camera angles were to show Newt's eyes. Throughout most of the last film and this one, he does not make proper eye contact with anyone. However when he sees Leta's shoes you see him make eye contact. Showing that he cares for her more than he does for anyone else. If you have ever seen House M.D. there is an episode in which House saves a boy with Autism, as a thank you the boy makes eye contact with House. Same kinda thing in my eyes.
I would hazard a guess that in a later film the same camera trick would be used to look at Tina too. Showing how much he cares for her.
Giz Edwards That’s actually really interesting and makes a lot of sense. I thought it was strange at first, too. I did notice they used that same camera angle from the Ministry in the Hogwarts flashback scenes, too. Where Newt and Leta are with the Bowtruckles.
Giz Edwards Good thought. If anything, it’s the only reasonable explanation I’ve come across
I'm on the Autism spectrum and I understand exactly what you're saying with the eye contact. It's a cool thought that maybe Newt is on the spectrum and it fits with the character.
I did think it was newts perspective as well, but that explanation just nails it (btw giz, I ‚m a long time subscriber of yours :) )
@@garnix5427 I recognised the username before I read your comment :)
“We loved it! Also none of it made sense, but JK will fix it next movie?”
-Carlin Bros while dying inside probably
'Perssed to make video after video making it make sense'
Spend an hour listing the problems, then give it an 8/10.
I think they were absolutely right. As a stand alone it may not make sense, but when I was watching it I quickly realized it was setting up the next movie, and then it made sense. Let's face it. There are supposed to be five movies in this series, so leaving open questions is going to entice people to come back to the next to see what the answers are. JK Rowling knows her world backwards and forwards. If she put something in there that doesn't make sense to us right now, I'm betting it's not a mistake
Hardcore delusional they have Stockholm syndrome with jk
I feel the same way, I really enjoyed the parts I understood, I had to google everything else and I still don’t get it (that is why I’m watching this video)
I honestly wouldn't have minded if Jo had released five books as well for this series - she could've given us so many details in book form that can't all be efficiently conveyed through movies.
She may well do. I mean she's already extended the Potter universe by writing the school textbooks (Magical Beasts, Quidditch Through The Ages), Tales Of Beedle The Bard & the Cursed Child play. Newt was purely only a textbook author in the HP books, he's only ever referred to in 3rd person as a throwaway name & he's now got what, around 5 films? Who's to say he won't get the full book series.
Kel McGowan Fingers crossed for that 🤞🏼😄
I would love if she continues to tell this story up until what starts with Harry. This series ends around 1945, and I believe that’s when Tom Riddle finishes school. I would really enjoy seeing her tell the story of the First Wizarding War, including the Snape, Lily & James, the Order and up until the moment that the curse rebounds.
My thoughts exactly! Thank you!
K. Sa YES
I loved when it was paneling down to where newt was in the ministry and you saw owls rather than flying letters and paper planes because "we used to use owls but it caused such a mess" (paraphrasing Mr. Weasly)
that was the first thing i thought of 😂
Christian Santori I just thought if that too!!
I didn't think of that, that's right! Thanks for pointing this out to me!
lolo paige oh my gosh, same!
Yeah I noticed that!!!!
I have a theory about how Nagini ends up as Voldemort’s closest ally/pet. So she sides with Dumbledore and after losing the ability to change back into a human she lives at Hogwarts. She can no longer communicate with anyone which I imagine would be painfully lonely. Then one day a boy named Tom Riddle comes along and he can both speak to her and understand her and he’s the only one who can do that, that would absolutely endear him to her.
That's not your theory but okay...
Also it presents even more plot holes.
More than one person can achieve like minded theories from a similar plane to work with. Personally, I think that would make a lot of sense. Being trapped as a snake with no one to talk to after being a woman who has loved and lost, she would be clamouring for companionship.
The book says Voldemort met nagini in a forest in Albania
@@blainejudd5693 I can't remember off the top of my head... Was that knowledge given to the reader or did Voldemort say it?
And that's why she would want him to live for ever
I love how it showed the owls flying around the ministry dropping droppings everywhere which is why they switched to paper airplanes.
No, Abernathy and Grindelwald switch places in the cell, when Abernathy first shows up in the door window. Reasons for this:
1) Abernathy wouldn't just be wielding the Elder Wand.
2) They said they cut off Grindelwald's tongue, but Abernathy was the one who needed his tongue restored.
3) Grindelwald (as Abernathy, prior to the carriage), was just trying to give the "wand" to them. He needed the madame president to nudge him to give the blood pact, which he didnt want to give at first.
4) That whole action scene wasn't to save Abernathy, it was to get back that blood pact back, but helping one of your biggest supporters escape with you was a reason also.
5) It was definitely just Polyjuice Potion. Abernathy had plenty of contact with Grindelwald prior to the escape to swap places and keep the polyjuice going.
Why couldn't he be a metamorphmagus?
Was just about to comment this. It is very clear that they have already swapped places. Even if you missed everything else, the fact Abernathy's tongue is missing and has to be restored by Grindelwald should make it obvious.
Exactly my thoughts on this scene
I agree with most of this, except that it probably isn't Polyjuice but simply Grindelwald+Elder Wand once again making an overpowered illusion spell.
@@exozfy Not likely to be an illusion because Abernathy changes appearance it without the elder wand in the ministry elevator.
One thing I noticed is that Queenie and Jacob's relationship mirrors that between Merope Gaunt and Tom Riddle Sr. She falls in love with a muggle, she enchants him, he's upset with her actions once the spell is lifted, she is utterly devastated. The only real difference is that Jacob actually does love Queenie, where Riddle did not love Merope at all.
David Guthary I noticed this too
Different spell, I think. Dumbledore and Harry only know love potions and the Imperius curse, but if it were a potion, there would have to be a potion antidote or it would have to wear off, and it’s clearly not the Imperius curse. I’m thinking it’s something else, partly because of that big POP and the heart shape. It does hit override on Jacob’s will, though.
I thought that too, but I was glad when I noticed that there is (was) true love between them on either side and a child of theirs would propably not turn out as a straight Voldimort
I had a moment in the cinema where I was nearly sick and thought that they were legitimately Voldemort's parents... Then I put the pieces together and realised it couldn't be possible!
Jacob loves her ... so not really the same atall
The niffler deserves an Oscar for his performance
yolandita26 I’m on it!
He should be awarded a Victoria cross
EmJem
He was robbed in the last movie
@EmJem We need to get *all* the nifflers nominated. Especially the babies.
Especially in the last scenes
Grindelwald was a master of Transfiguration, and was so powerful that he could wandlessly transfigure himself to look like somebody else. He did the same trick in the first movie to become "Percival Graves". At first I thought it was Polyjuice, but after some research, I actually learned a lot.
I absolutely loved how they shot the extreme close-ups of Leta and Theseus at the beginning of the movie, and how in every scene Newt refuses to make eye contact with either character. I think its the best representation of social anxiety I've ever seen in cinema and I could relate to Newt in that way. It's supposed to make you very very uncomfortable, that's how Newt feels, he wants to look away, he feels too close. I understand if you've never had social anxiety before it just seems weird but I felt it was a great way to show you Newt's feelings.
You absolutley nailed this. I don't know why they are complaining so much about it. Maybe they have never felt social anxiety in a one on one conversation.
I came to the comments hoping someone had put this into words for me. Thank you.
I really like that explanation, when you have social anxiety every interaction feels invasive and you have this desperate need to put some space between you and the other person.
I think he may be on the autism spectrum. I'm on the spectrum myself, and I can see a few hints of it in him.
I can definitely relate to not looking at people in the eyes, so I know what you mean about Newt. It makes me feel like too...real; though that explanation seems rather too simplified, it’s the best I could come up with.
this movie is literally like one big trailer for the next three films
And the first one was a better trailer for the next four films :P
100% agree
This was far better than the first one tbh
Omg that is sooo right!!!!!!!!!
@@godot8694 no it wasmt
Just think about what that guy is going to tell everyone.
"Someone broke Grindelwald out."
"Did you see who it was?"
"It was Grindelwald..."
It's all a performance. That is why he saves the guy at the end. He puts on a show, and leaves someone to tell the tale. Even the way he casts his spells is like he is conducting music. That is done for a reason.
The reason he came back and played out the entire carriage scene instead of just walking away was to send a message.
"Do you think you can hold me?"
Daniel Horsman oh! That’s good!
I like this hypothesis! It fits really well
i thought the split tongue guy was in on the escape?
@@paigetessera7761 Some people say "Why bother coming back for an underling? Why give him the blood pact in the first place?"
There is some confusion about what happened. My comment is just my interpretation of what happened. This interpretation doesn't leave any confusion.
15:35 casting a spell to break one's fall is a form of magic that we've actually seen before, Hermione does it in Gringotts + Dumbledore does it to save Harry when he fell of his broom in prisoner of azkaban
In the Deathly Hallows they do it too before entering Lestrange's vault.
Luis Molina ya that’s when hermione does it in gringotss
I think that the type of magic that they were talking about that hadn't been seen before was the kind of puppeteering that Grindelwald was doing, because it didn't really look like he was using the Imperius curse, because for the imperius curse you don't have to actually do the movements yourself for the other person to do it. But I could be wrong.
@Neil Mehta you mean in order of the phoenix ? That's not hermoine's work, it's the room itself
the spell is specifically arresto momentum
I really loved the inclusion of Nicolas Flamel as a side character. His body may be weak and fragile but his magical powers are as strong as ever (also i had to smile when i saw the stone in his cupboard)
Me too it was funny how he ran lol
Smile?? I screamed
Did you read the non-canon books about him? It takes place after Harry Potter I think.
But there was no point to him being there. He showed up for no reason out of nowhere then didn't really do anything until he showed up at the end and did a semi-impressive spell. You could cut him completely and the movie would actually make more sense. I thought since he was in the trailers Grindlewald would be going after the sorcerer's stone or maybe try to question him on the deathly hallows, but no, he's just there.
show the triple that little Stone his cause and yeah I loved it to to all the people who sang he doesn't make any sense there well actually it does make someone out defense and frankly who cares it was freaking awesome honestly he was Dumbledore a friend right I think we should have one point at least get to see them interact just a little bit know a little more about this character who don't always been friends with for years firstly I think he might have been Dumbledore his mentor just saying
Maybe, Credence, is not an Obscurial, but instead, an Obscurus. Here's the story: Ariana Dumbledore is an Obscurial, because she suppressed her magical abilities. But, because those from the Dumbledore family are so magically gifted, she developed a very special, powerful, and unusual kind of Obscurus: one with its own consciousness: a dark twin, to Ariana. Maybe the Obscurus was able to manifest itself physically, or it was apparent to only Ariana, but someone knew it was conscious, hence it being given a name: Aurelius. When Ariana died in 1899 (roughly matching with the time "Credence" would have been born), the Obscurus was released from Ariana, and became an entire entity all of its own, manifesting as a baby, which would then be taken in by someone bound, for America.
Ashton Vander Molen That would make so much sense!! That would explain how Credence is a Dumbledore and the Phoenix and everything!! This is actually one of my favorite theories about the Crimes of Grindwald.
I really like this one, it would explain why he is technically a brother to Dumbledore. If it is true though it may be complicated to explain in the movie
I love this theory!! Here’s hoping the SCB see this and work through its practicality
The problem is the timeline. Dumbledore was born in 1881 and she died when he was 17/18. So she died in 1898. Credence wasn’t born until about 1907. We know this because Leta was born in 1896/97 and we see her at about the age of 10 switching the babies which once again is in approx 1907. So according to your theory Ariana’s obscurious would have to just hang out in limbo for nearly a decade.
@@jamesstanton1452 but we know they can hang out in limbo, as shown in Newt's case. So the only problem i see is them having to explain where and what it was doing in the limbo time period.
The part about the Blood Pact - happened before the three-way duel - Dumbledore admits to having used a killing curse in the battle, the magic of the blood pact protected Grindelwald and deflected it - killing Ariana.
Or it could be that they both used the avada curse at each other at the same time. This deflected off both and one deflection hit arianna, and albus doesn't know if it was his shot or gellart's who did the killing, Hence his eternal regret.
@@purpledeer1 this makes more sense.. cuz even priori incantatem wont be able to solve this confusion. and dumbledore never used avada kedavra anymorer in his life. wish newt was there to use his golden fairy dust magic to recreate the events and get to the bottom of the case
I don't think it was the Avada kedavra curse.
When did dumbledore admit to have used that? I cant remember
Them: OMG WHO'D SHE SAY I LOVE YOU TO?!?!
Me: Lol I just assumed she loved them both. Did nobody else do that???
Well, in the German version she says "Ich liebe dich", which is singular for "I love you" (we differentiate singular and plural "you", and plural would be "Ich liebe EUCH" ... on the other hand, we both call "she" and "they" "sie", so we also have our problems with pronouns, but just with the third person, not the second - which is not so bad though because the verb changes in plural as well, so you can differentiate "sie ging"/"she went" and "sie gingen"/"they went" pretty well, even though "she" and "they" are the same word). Long story short, that's why I never considered her talking to Theseus when saying "I love you", the story pretty much sets it up for Leta being affected to Newt.
This may be a translation error but those you-issues happened a lot in Harry Potter novels and films and the German translators actually contacted Rowling to learn about what the correct translation would be, so I guess they did it that time as well. I can't imagine they didn't consult the producers on such an important issue. I'm pretty much convinced Leta only meant Newt.
(btw, that's why many people assumed correctly who R.A.B. was after the sixth book. They looked it up on other languages. The abbreviation only worked for one single character, which was Regulus. Every single translator learned how to correctly translate R.A.B. regarding Regulus's translation into those translators' languages.)
I agree. It shows the true nature of love is not black and white like movies like to make it. It a combination of logic, culture, hormones, past history, future hopes. It's complicated, and you can love more than one person for different reasons.
Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this:
ua-cam.com/video/9AYVX6_6R2U/v-deo.html
And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
Yep
Same 🤣
As I was leaving the movie theater after seeing this I was thinking "How in the world did the SuperCarlinBrothers keep all of that to themselves".
Same
My thoughts at the end of the movie: a 2 year cliffhanger😫
Me when the credits started to roll
THAT IS EXACTLY what both me and my friend said on Friday when the movie ended. I wish it wasn´t going to be that long
🤣 my husband said "okay I will continue to join you watching the next movie." The he laugh.
@Rapdiols technically that´s illegal, and also, the third movie still won´t come out until two years from now.
Meghna Raj Yeah, this is one of my big complaints about the movie
12:51 my interpretation was that Grindelwald used polyjuice potion with Abernathy before the scene started. Abernathy (posing as Grindlewald) had his tongue cut out and was always the one in the carriage. The only reason Grindlewald (posing as Abernathy) gave the Blood Bond away is because the Leader of MACUSA (can’t remember her name) told him to, and refusing her orders would arouse suspicion. You can see in the scene that ‘Abernathy’ was reluctant to give the bond away. Also, since the polyjuice was about to run out, Abernathy’s cover wouldn’t remain for long so Grindlewald needed to get out quickly. But he had to go after the blood pact first, and when he apparates onto the carriage the polyjuice runs out (they probably took it at the same or at similar times, perhaps splitting up one batch between them). Grindlewald decides to save Abernathy because one more follower can’t really hurt, and Abernathy was proven to be loyal to the cause by agreeing to the switcheroo in the first place. So it was Grindlewald on top of the carriage with the elder wand casting all those crazy spells, Abernathy was inside the carriage the whole time. I believe showing Abernathy holding the Elder Wand is a clue to the audience to say ‘that isn’t Abernathy’
Yeah, same hypothesis
Abernathy took the polyjuice potion but it's unlikely that Grindelwald needed any.
@@MrNicolinoTv I would not think that.
I think Grindelwald forced a body swap onto him, that's why Grindelwald swapping bodies was smooth for Abernathy had to contort himself onto Grindelwald's position.
You're forgetting Grindelwald is top tier Metamorphmagi and HAS done spells we've never even heard of. You're also forgetting Grindelwald has been locked up since before any of this happens, and Abernathy has never had direct contact with him. ( IE, at which point would Grindelwald be unsupervised enough time to drink a Polyjuice )
To finish off the real reasoning, once Abernathy takes position of Grindelwald's body and Grindelwald onto Abernathy's, Grindelwald rewards him with "this ( waves wand)" and gives him a serpent tongue as a replacement.
And just a rebuttal, Abernathy would NOT be as strong of a wizard to take that whole fleet of guards like that, even with Grindelwalds ( not actually his supposedly ) Elder Wand he would not have perfected the execution of that breakout. Grindelwald knows the Blood Pact is unbreakable and there's no way he wouldn't recover it after getting rid of everyone else.
@@MrShroomed Grindelwald is not a metamorphagus but is excellent at transfiguration so he used a spell not a potion.
YES! EXACTLY!!!!!
56:49 2 year waiting period. Then Covid. The Johnny Depp getting fired. Oh how things have changed. I want them to do a updated video on their thoughts on the cast.
Tbh with everything that has come out they should just apologize to depp and rehire him, though I am not sure if he would consider it
@@daftwulli6145 they won’t ask him. The media is still trying to push Amber as the victim (even though we all know it was Johnny who was victimized) he’s had trouble getting work because the media won’t play nice and studios want good advertising. He’s no longer attached to Pirates or Fantastic Beasts.
@@shadowanderson2004 Yea modern feminism has huge troubles admitting men can also be victims (unless the abuser is another man) and that women can be abusers. An estimated 40% of all domestic abuse victims arhe men, yet there is practically zero shelter placesd available to them or other valid help,. If you try to open up, you better be prepared for huge feminist protests.
@@shadowanderson2004 hear me out here, maybe both are bad? It seems pretty obvious that the relationship was mutually toxic and the only way to handle it fairly at this point is to have whatever social punishments (blacklisting, firing from projects, etc) be dolled out relatively equally to both. It won't happen because society needs to have one hero and one villain, but that seems like the thing that makes most sense especially with the current trial going on.
Grindelwald wanted and needed to show the world that he could escape MACUSA. It’s superficial to think it was about Abernathy. If he escaped quietly, MACUSA could probably keep it under wraps. To escape in this manner and to show followers that he stands by those loyal to him just gives him huge credit leading up to the largest recruitment forum he’s ever had.
Exactly. Also the thing about him not caring enough to go and save his follower would be comparing him to voldemort, who was a murdeeing psychopath with dreams of invincible immortality, this grindelwald just wants power by being the most charming and manipulating. If word got out he replaced himself with someone else, and had that man tortured and maimed without batting an eye, he wouldn't be perceived half as well in paris
As far as Grindelwald's personality, it makes sense that he would want people to know that he had escaped. I can't explain when he switched places with Abernathy but the whole "grand escape" was really just the biggest superficial act of all.
Actually that makes a lot of sense. I asumed during the movie that he took a polijuice potion (I do not know why the Cbrothers dismiss this idea but probably they have a good reson) to scape but their are right in the sense that if he is already 'free' he could just walk out. So I guess that scaping just to show the wolrd that he can scape the MACUSA is a very good explanation...
Andrea Vilar Melego
Polijuice potion doesn’t give you the ability to speak in that persons voice. That might be the reason they dismissed it. This is a good theory though!
@@lunarfaeby Yes it does! They said this in a video I think: That it's so weird that in the books you automatically get the voice too, and just in the seventh movie, when Harry, Ron and Hermione break into the ministry of magic, the movie makers made them KEEP their original voices in order to not confuse the audience who's who. But actually, according to the books, the voice changes when taking Polyjuice!
I walked out of the movie glowing with excitement, but I do agree with a comment made by my dad, which is that the story would have been better as a book, because you can put more stuff in a book. Therefore they sort of had to jam pack the movie with information and everything did feel a little cramped.
As far as speculation goes, I love watching your videos and getting hyped and making the two year wait feel shorter. It doesn't ruin the movie or anything for me personally. Keep theorizing!
P.S. the salamander scene was my favorite as well 😊 so cute
Jenna Young I totally agree this story line would make for such a good book.
That's what happens when a book author writes a movie script.
I totally agree with that
I love books, but i will ALWAYS prefer movies. :)
yeah, you can tell JK wrote this movie on her own. They'll probably learn from the mixed critics/fan response to bring back a screen-writer for the sequel. But they've put a lot of interesting things together in this movie that I can't wait to see how the story continues in the sequel.
Is it possible that Dumbledore attacked Grindelwald and the blood pact deflected the spell and that’s what killed Ariana?
This is a great theory. The knowledge of an incident like this could be the reason why Dumbledore understands so well the protective power of the sacrifice of Harry's mom throughout the original series. A spell that went wrong due to a form of conflict and in both cases someone gets hurt that was not supposed to.
A good theory. The only problem is that Albus was dueling Aberforth when Ariana died, not Grindelwald.
J Lord Didn't he say that it was so complicated in the fight that he didn't know who was fighting whom and who cast the fatal spell that killed Ariana?
@@gabby4558 did it? It's been a while since I've read Deathly Hallows.
J Lord Aberforth says "‘- and I think she wanted to help, but she didn’t really know what she was doing, and I don’t know which of us did it, it could have been any of us - and she was dead.’"
The elf's are probably sitting on the chairs magically washing that way they can see the window better because if they were all the way on the floor and they were washing the window they might not be able to see a little speck on the window that didn't get cleaned properly so they're floating so they can see the window in order to clean it and make sure it's completely clean that's what I think at least
nice and simple explanation! like when you wash the dishes you gotta feel and see if it's clean
I
Thought the same thing.
My husband who admittedly isn't a Harry Potter fan really liked this movie. He even said it was really good and he'd see it again. (He has watched all the other Harry Potter movies because of me). I also personally really enjoyed it and felt like it could have been longer without it feeling dragged out.
My sister said the same.
She also isnt into harry potter or anything. She loved it, she cried a few times too!
You have to be a fan of harry potter in the first place to be disappointed at the film. Your point is irrelevant.
So my theory on “Aurelius Dumbledore” *rolls eyes so far back into head that only accio can get them back*. Because Dumbledore and Grindelwald had the blood pact, they then became blood brothers. The whole point of a blood pack is that they share blood, they have each other’s blood. So because they are blood brothers, Grindelwald is a technical Dumbledore and can summon a phoenix (Fawkes?). So it’s not Creedence/Aurelius summoning a phoenix, it’s Grindelwald summoning a phoenix and playing it off as Creedence did.
(Please like so they can see this)
Good therory
Dumbledore and Grindlewald loved each other romantically. Or at least Dumbledore loved Grindlewald. That's why Dumbledore says "oh, we were more than brothers", and Dumbledore's heart's desire that appears in the mirror is the moment he and Grindlewald make the pact. It's like a marriage. A vow.
Lily Hessekiel Tbh I just thought that it was Grindelwald summoning a Phoenix because he’s capable of that for some reason, but there could actually be a reason. Who knows
Lily Hessekiel that’s a pretty good theory, I always thought of it as just- oh Grindelwald is just brilliant at magic, and this sort of cycles back to how Voldemort and Harry always had a part of each other within them.
I think the Blood pact is an agreement, not that intimate
I think the really awkward opening with newt is to show how awkward newt is in the ministry
i dont mind the close up newt at all. bc im enjoying eddie's face close up hahhaa
Oh yeah! Good point.
Like he's under a microscope!
I am glad Credence survived but, I hope he turns good again, he seemed so scared and desperate for love at times that I just wanted to give him a hug and tell him everything would be okay.
So i’d like newt and Tina to officially confess their feelings to each other by faceing a dementor and symultaniesly casting a salamander patronens
fire army Love it
*clap clap clap* DUDE you r genius!
Learn to spell.
fire army or porcupines
@@aster471 Maybe Newt casts a porcupine while Tina casts a newt. ; )
The fact that Nicholas Flamel was not even mentioned seriously speaks to his role in the movie
i was kinda confused cuz he never says "im nicholas flamel" but he says "im an alchemist" and then later jacobs like thanks mr flamel but jacobs a nomaj he doesnt know who that IS
Faith w/ Dad Pesz he does actually say his name it’s just that he’s so old and a thick accent that It was so hard to make out that he actually said his name, trust me I heard him introduce himself when shaking Jacobs hand but It wasn’t said super clearly if that makes sense
Nicholas Flamel says his name and I believe it is in a trailer too.
he says his name, it sounds kinda like “nikolai flamme”
Yeah, I liked him in the movie, he was funny, but he played a small role, and a confusing one at that..
I'm sad that the baby nifflers were only shown once :c but the mummy niffler was important and that makes me happy
What if the Kelpie is the way he gets to Hogwarts in later movies? Like I feel they used it as foreshadowing. It would make sense if he needed to get to Dumbledore to help him or tell him something important.
apparently my patronus is a kelpie i didn't realise how big it was util i watched fbcog
That isn't what foreshadowing is
HUGE POINT! Abernathy and Grindelwald didn't body switch. Remember the tongue cut out? Abernathy was already in Grindelwald in captivity. Then Grindelwald gives him his tongue back
Shaggster Man But it seems so not Grindelwald.
Shaggster Man Yep. Grindelwald and Abernathy did the transfiguration disguise, just like Grindelwald did to disguise himself as Percival Graves.
Shaggster Man I just wish it were clearer: Picquery said that Grindelwald's guard had to change three times, perhaps Abernathy pulled something during this time?
I see some interesting points. It is a really confusing scene.
This is my view: Grindelwald had his plan but he needed a guard to help him, so he convinced his guard to convert to his side, however the ministry found out and changed his guard. He tried again, but once again the ministry found out. Then he got Abernathy, who didn't get caught. When Abernathy was sent to prep Grindelwald for transport, he and Grindelwald swapped places (I had assumed with a polyjuice potion). Remember the part where Abernathy is looking at Grindelwald through the slot in the door? I think it was just after that that they swapped. Grindelwald, as Abernathy, got the elder wand and put Antonio (the poor lil bean) in the wand box (this had to have been done after they swapped cause Antonio was with Grindelwald until the last moment). Then the transport happens, the polyjuice (or whatever) wears off, everything happens. As for why the elaborate plan? I get the impression (from his talent, charisma, manipulation, etc) that Grindelwald likes to show off, he likes to perform
HP Folklore pointed out that Ariana means Silver, while Aurelius means Gold. It's kind of a yin and yang situation there.
I'm mean it turned into a dual but you know what I mean
Also they suspect that Ariana is a obscures like Aurelius
And Albus means white
ad albus means white
TokuTickler but still it's not necessarily intelligent. Because Ariana was already an established character. It would have been easier to come up with a name that connects to Ariana. Either Rowling did that to genuinely shock us or it could be just a build up to nothing.
Who knew scrolling though the comments of this video would lead me to find the reason why gold is Au and silver is Ar on the periodic table.
Thought of another thing, would make a great theory video for you!
Nicolas Flamel has a minor part, and while most are focusing on the fan service shot of the philosopher's stone in his safe, I have another angle. He takes out a book, flips through, and speaks with a woman in a portrait. The woman tells him "He says you need to help them" (or something similar to that affect). This tells us something important! First, the 'He' has to be Dumbledore, so there is a group working with him - we also know this from a comment Dumbledore makes in his classroom to the head of magical law enforcement when he says (I'm paraphrasing): "You can keep watching me and my friends, but there is no plot against you, we want the same thing". Again, showing there is a group working with Dumbledore. Now you may ask, what group? I say, this is the origin of the 'Order of The Phoenix'! Think about it! Dumbledore can't work against Grindelwald yet because of the blood pact, so he has his own group doing the work. We learn in this movie that a Phoenix will come to a member of the Dumbledore family in a time of need. Dumbledore needs help because he can't act, so the group comes to him in his time of need, just like a Phoenix would. Therefore I present to you, the Order of the Phoenix is born!
You're welcome, I expect credit in your next theory video ; )
SNAP....
It's... It's too beautiful... too well-crafted... I think I'm going to cry...
100% agree with this
That'll be awesome!
@nick m. maybe the bloodpacked is a horcrux
My theory on the Phoenix is that it came to Grindelwald because of the blood pact. Those who have blood pacts are often called blood brothers so he would “be a Dumbledore” and be able to summon a Phoenix. After all the birdy that walks on to his hand and later transforms is in Grindelwalds hand.
In the first scene Newt saying he doesn’t remember. The vibe I got from that is that he was about to say yes he did remember but when he saw Theseus begin to walk in and remembered their engagement he denied it out of respect for his brothers relationship and not wanting Theseus to overhear about it.
Also I think Queenie might have been under the Imperius curse because as she walks through the flame you see her in pain almost as if she’s not totally making the vow on her own volition. That could have just been her fighting over loyalty to Grindelwald or to Jacob.
Anyways that’s my two cents.
Maybe the blood pact is the reason Arianna died. Maybe them fighting caused a rebound of magic that ended up hitting her.
I've been thinking that exact thing!
I've never thought about that, that's such a reasonable and wonderful theory!
I think they accidentally killed her and then made the blood pact, although I am not denying your thinking as it seems reasonable.
Ariana died at age 14 in 1899, Albus was born in 1881, 4 years before Ariana in 1885, which means that by her death he would be 18, but as he attended school from 1892-1899 that means he finished school months prior to her death? She died late summer 1899, which means that he would not be at Hogwarts. BUT, Grindelwald was born 2 years later than Albus, which means that he would be starting his sixth (?) year.
So, looking at that, we can say that they might have fought before Grindelwald's sixth year, they could have killed Ariana, and then Grindelwald and Albus could have made the blood pact.
@@ToxicKnyfe except Grindelwald fled as soon as he saw Ariana was dead and Albus didn't see him again until the duel where he beat Grindelwald. Also Grindelwald was expelled from Durmstrang at that point, so his year in school is irrelevant.
I think ABERNATHY is more important than you give him credit for.
1. Remember. "Graves" worked at the ministry and would have been watching everyone. He handpicked his allies (including Abernathy and Queenie).
2. Maybe Abernathy is a metamorphmagus. It would explain many things. And Grindelwald would have known that already.
3. If Grindelwald was not familiar with Queenie while disguised as Graves, Abernathy definitely knew her. He was serving as Grindelwald's spy and could have filled him in on her talents and situation. They for sure had their eye on her for a while.
4. I don't think they sent Queenie to Paris, but they knew that she would leave NY to be with Jacob and she would follow her sister. Rosier was at the French Ministry when she arrived looking for Tina, so she knew they could proceed with their plan.
how long had grindy been disguising as graves? my theory is abernathy started his work at macusa when grindelwald disguised graves
So I watched Where to find them as soon as I returned home from the movie. I agree with the hand picking and the metamorphagus. I also think that the imperious curse was used a lot! Looking back at it changed my whole perspective on the first movie, Newt telling Queenie to get out out of my head repeatedly, because he didn’t want her to know he was there for Dumbledore. Also I think GG imperious or was trying to imperious Madame President. But I hope Graves is alive and in Nurmengard! I think that’s going to be a big point coming up.
@@Air0Sparks but Newt wasn't like actively aware that Dumbledore sent him there was he? D just made sure he found the thunderbird or am I remembering it wrong?
Unkl Paulie M - Definitely agree that if Percival Graves is still alive, he will be used to introduce Nurmengard’s prison.
The scene when Leta sacrifices herself, proves that Grindelwald handpicks his acolytes. She was the only Auror he personally offered “freedom” and “home” to.
@@Air0Sparks I've lost all hope that Graves is alive because of this movie but let's keep our fingers crossed anyway :)
Kelpie scene: a distraction to hide the fact that we have just been introduced to the suspiciously personality-free Bunty, whose unrequited and possibly unnoticed crush on Newt will turn her to Grindelwald, at which point she might play a significant role by betraying Newt from resentment. My guess anyway.
Andrea Deagon good guess! I was also wondering about her awkward and almost obsessive personality
I was wondering why she was acting like that. That makes sense!
That sounds so cliche that I’m ninety percent sure you’re on to something! Good point!
that makes sense and seeing as i do things like that a lot in my own writing i’m annoyed i didn’t notice it myself, that scene would make a lot more sense if it was pretending to be about the kelpie but actually establishing her character and motives
I was surprised that there wasn’t an end credit scene showing Bunty’s attempts to help the animals. As for the theory, it sounds possible but her betraying complete lack of personality beyond liking Newt would make it a bad twist.
Has anyone put together that Credence was not "in need" when Grindle revealed the phoenix?
Am I the only one who wants to see aberforth in the next movie ?
Utkarsh Gupta It would be awesome to see him!
Yes please. I need to know more about the goats.
I'm fairly sure that we will see Aberforth and his goats in future movies ☺ Because they need to go back eventually to Godric's Hollow and show what really happened there: how Albus and Gellert made the blood pact and how Ariana really died. I also think this: If Credence is really part of the Dumbledore family, then Aberforth might know more about this. He might even have been the one who shipped Credence to America.
Maybe credence is aberforth ;p
rhaspados666 no.
Tina does indeed whisper “Newt” when she first sees him in the sewer. I think she’s in a bit of shock after not seeing him for a year, but then collects herself and it’s back to “mr Scamander”. There is a reaction shot of Newt that shows a confused dismay on his part upon hearing her use his surname. It’s very subtle and, as you pointed out, Eddie Redmayne is excellent at portraying little moments like that.
So glad you mentioned the whole Salamander scenario, I have watched so many hate filled reviews that have brushed that side story aside, calling it pointless. I thought it was sweet and charming and added heart to an otherwise dark and foreboding movie. The audience I watched it with loved Jacob being Newt’s all knowing wingman and were in hysterics when he was trying NOT to say salamander...and there was a chorus of “Awwwws” when Tina finished the sentence for him. It was kinda cool seeing Newt have another passion besides his beasts.
Shawn Skelton agreed have watched it twice and both times in theater heard people either give a nice chuckle at the scene or awh at it for its obvious sweetness but it also being a little funny
Ikr it's one of the most cute scene ahh😭💓
Totally agree! The whole cinema went crazy when Jacob was like "just say whatever" then "NOT THAT", then when the moment finally came everyone was giggling and just couldn't wait for him to say salamander, AND THEN SHE DID, love
but this movie took place 3 months after i think? Or was that 3 months after the breakout?
I don't recall her ever saying "Newt" in this movie. But I'm going to see it tonight for the 3rd time and see if I missed something.
theory newt's patonus is a salamander
Theory 2 Tina's patronus is also a salamander
theory 3 newt’s patronus is a porcupine
theory 4 Newts patronus is Bruce Willis
His Patronus is Jacob 😂
Newts patois is Tina's salamander eyes
14:10 it seemed clear to me that Grindelwald had already swapped with Abernathy per silver tounge, but needed an excuse to get to France without being followed directly. The breakout of then Abernathy served two purposes: 1 ride to Europe under a surprise step ahead 2. Retain a henchman to gather troops faster and show Gridelwald is different from Voldemort as he actually does care for his followers.
As to the weather, since when do the wizards give a dirigible plum about getting wet? The storm may even have been drudged up by Grindelwald as cover to ensure the plan completion.
I really think Queenie is going to have a Regulus Black moment.
oh gosh id love to see that but i dont want her to die
She's definitely going to get cold feet. It will get too real for her and she is no killer.
Oh darn. It would truly be devastating then!
Seeing her go to be an insane person who enjoys killing and manipulation would be hella cool.
@@pipmeyer7764 it would be fun to watch, but i really don't think she has it in her. She seems more like a secretary.
Had to pause the video. My theory. Dumbledore and grindewald made blood pact before ariana died. They fight despite their pact. Dumbledore wins but the curse because of the pact bounces off grinny and kills his sister. Hence why he blames himself
Great call
Dumberdore talks to Leta about losing his sister in the movie, BUT that doesn't mean Grindelwald wasn't involved. Aberforth tells Harry that their sister's loss was the result of Dumberdore's quest for power and not having time for his sister...so definitely his and Grindelwald's doing
love this theory!
Thats what I was thinking too!
That's what i thought. They could't hurt each other and in result Ariana died.
I love how they talked about a button rolling across the floor more than they talked about Nagini... perfectly represents her relevance in this movie
So true
@Marissa I'm sure J.K. has got something up her sleeve, it just felt a little off how little she actually did in the film.
@@foraslan4230 Yes, I was really sad in her involvement in this movie, but am excited to see her in later movies. DO you think her curse will turn her into a full snake by the end of he series??
@@hufflepuffoftime5842 I think it might, I'm excited to find out if we get to see how she turns to the "dark side" and if it's before or after her transformation
@@foraslan4230 I hope so!
40:00 Remember how Noise in Queenie's head silence after Grandalward's assistant walks by her. There is some mystery there
For the carriage at the begining, I think Grindelwald needs it to go to Paris. We know that wizards can not simply apparate to such a long distance and needs a mean of transportation to cross the ocean. Also, I had just assumed they both consumed polyjuice potion at some point. Abernathy must have been at some point alone with Grindelwald in order to be indoctrinated. They might have switched at that point. The one who got his tongue cut might have been Abernathy all along.
Good point. maybe stealing this perticular carrige was necessary to go to Paris!But I think in somepoint the transfiguration was done by spell not polly juice cuz the effects fade out. I think Grindelwald is talented enough to transfigure both Abernathy and himself by spell.
Yeah that's what I thought as well! Can't really explain how and when, but I thought they switched places, both drank polyjuice potion (hence why they become their real selves kinda at the same time) and Grindelwald waited for the carriage to travel with it to Paris and needed Abernathy partly of a supported close to him (kinda like death eaters for Voldemort) partly to grow more powerful with people inside the minestry/Macusa
It literally would be since Abernathy shouldnt have a reason to be without a tongue right?
Yeah exactly you see grindlewald a new tongue which is forked
Couldn’t they have used a portkey to travel? I mean Newt did that later in the film
I could have watched you guys talk for another hour about this movie lol You guys obviously had more to say and i think we are all here for it.
I'm definitely with you
Anyone else cry a little when Queenie screams "come with me" to Jacob? That was so powerful.
I felt like crying over the way they assassinated Queenie's character in this film.
Yess😭💔
I really felt bad when Jacob did finally say she was crazy.
I really loved their storyline. It was surprising, you can't help but think that sweet Queenie won't go THAT FAR and yet she goes there. I would have liked more Tina/Queenie to even make the "loss" harder, but hey it was cool nonetheless. Both actors were really good in that final scene.
@@Yibambe. I get what you're saying but I respectfully must disagree that this was a character assassination of Queenie as she has always seemed more easily swayed by her emotions: in this case, her love for Jacob.
Needed 'brothers' like this when I was growing up and had no one to get in depth with about Harry Potter. Been binging this channel for the past few days and I absolutely love it all. Thank you for your content! ⚡
i still need anybody like that irl cause im like scb level potterhead
Only SC Bros can make such a long video and we,the HP fans are only ones who can watch this.
I didn't look at the time til I read this comment and "oh, it's an hour long....I'll have to watch this in sessions."
yep
Also they only put one mid roll. I get 3 midrolls on a 10 minute video.
They should do a podcast 1000%
Sodayoda YES!!!!!
Leta definitely says I love you to Newt, but both Newt and Theseus definitely believe she’s saying it to Theseus.
I feel like that's going to be SO important in the future films, it's probably how Dumbledore realised that Lily's protection bond to Harry is so strong
I think the screenplay clarifies she says it to both of them.
i don’t see why she couldn’t have said it to both
Grindelwald had switched with Abernathy earlier, then they cut Abernathy’s tough out (as he was disguised as Grindelwald). When they went to move Grindelwald to Europe, they put Abernathy in the carriage and Grindelwald, still disguised as Abernathy, hands the case over with the “wand” in it. It is either the president or Grindelwald who mentions the other item (spoilers) the blood pact. Grindelwald, currently disguised as Abernathy is hesitant in handing over the blood pact. When the president tells him to hand it over he is forced to or risk blowing his cover, therefore he must go after Abernathy in the carriage. To get back the blood pact, (spoilers) he knows only Albus Dumbledore can defeat him and therefore the blood pact is his most important belonging.
that makes a lot of sense now! Hope SCB see this
I thought that at first, when SCB started talking about that I was very confused because I thought I'd be obvious. Also, maybe he needed the carriage to be transported. I think it wouldn't be very easy for him to just hop on a boat or something.
Wasn't this obvious?
@@07daniel11 I think he'd say that to get empathy, like you said. He wants his followers to turn against the ministry.
“Dark twin”... Aurelius means “golden”.... I feel like this is a thing but I can’t connect it.
Also Ariana means "silver"
I interpreted the opening scene as Abernathy switching places in the cell with polyjuice potion. That's why he lost his tounge and had grindelwald restore it. I'm assuming he needed the carriage to get back to Europe
Yes, me too! It makes sense, right?
Same
Agreed except I don't think with polyjuice
My exact thoughts!
Yes, but why not apparition??
As soon as the intro plays, we're getting right into it.
Intro: * plays*
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Lol:)
maybe...sponsorships have become so common, they are actually part of the intro
I blame Google/UA-cam. They don’t share enough of the advertising revenue.
How do you think they pay for these videos and make a living?
DobromirMG i didnt say that...they can absolutely play their sponsorship’s ads...im just saying it is very commonplace nowadays.
With Dumbledore and the blood pact- when he drinks the potion in the cave he is crying and begging Grindelwald to stop hurting them and hurt him instead which sounds like he was helpless to stop Grindelwald attacking them ie because of the blood pact. All he could do was beg Grindelwald to stop which is partly why it haunts him for the rest of his life
Oh, don't remind me of that, I'm gonna cry again!!!!!!
Tbh I LOVE how they show Queenie's natural legilimancy. When she's looking for clues and she starts getting overwhelmed with thoughts. I liked that scene a lot
Also I think Johnny Depp nailed the Grindlewald role
💯😆
I will say, my literal first thoughts when Grindelwald said "Dumbledore" was "oh my lord, what are the supercarlinbrothers gonna say about this??!!!"
Squidny Same!!
yep same
SAME!!! i was waiting so much for them to do a video because it hurts my brain so much to try to organize all the crazy parts of the movie that they do so well
The start of the movie when Grindelwald escaped was amazingly well done and set the dark tone for the rest of the movie. Also Jonny Depp nailed his performance. I was first skeptical, but man he killed it 👍👍
The intro was definitely amazing. I hope the future FB films have awesome intros!!
It was really well done. My 18 month couldn't look away either.lol
@@vramey6588 I couldn't look away either lol
@@vramey6588 no worries. It's okay being simple
1) You can tell, the first time that Tina takes Next into Macusa that Graves/Grindelwald Is interested in Tina, look at his face when she is dismissed, and HE is the one who follows up, I feel it’s safe to say he has taken notice of the sisters and has atleast some sort of special interest in them.
2) Grindelwalds Fire. To me it was obvious that this is Fiend Fire, this is just the first time we’ve ever seen it used by a wizard competent enough to control it.
3) The reason the house elf levitates the chair and then uses magic to wipe the window above him is because he can’t see that high, magic is not infallible, it has limits. Especially with household spells, you can’t just cast a cleaning spell and expect it to have perfect effects without supervision/skill (Eh hem... Tonks) While house elves are more skilled in this area of expertise, buildings that house large congregations of magic can be much more difficult to manage than the average household. All magic leaves traces. I can’t imagine the work that goes in to keeping Hogwarts clean. That’s probably why they have so many house elves.
4) Abernathy was the one who almost stopped Queenie from leaving MACUSA in the 1st movie, it’s possible that he may have had a crush on her, and WHATEVER his reaction to Grindelwald, which must be significant since he spent the effort to ensure his escape as well as his own, Abernathy may have been the one to let on the Grindelwald that she was an legilimens.
5) The area the circus was in was a magical porthole, quite similar to the entrance to diagonal alley, but seems to be a center more for magical events and parties than magical shopping, so it makes sense that most witches and wizards would be well aware of quick exits. Seriously, considering how often muggle parties turn sour, one can only imagine that wizard of gatherings must turn even more quickly. Look at how quickly the patrons of the speakeasy in the first FB disappear at the slightest word of trouble.
6) I also have a lot of questions about why the MACUSA left credence in the care of a no-mag, as well as modesty, after Tina was penalized for protecting him from their adoptive mother. Why would they not have relocated them into magical families if they were so adamant on magical-no mag relations.
Ahh.. I have more to say but alas it is 3 am
About the 6) i think i don't think they knew he was a wizard and they thought he was a muggle/no-mag and because of the rapport law? they couldn't intervene in their business
It is definitely fiend fire, and it was very cool to see it used to it's full potential 😁
I hated the lack of character development in the film, especially for Credence and Nagini
They were barely in the movie.
For a character that EVERY MAIN CHARACTER WAS CONCERNED ON FINDING, he got VERY little attention and even lines in the movie.
Very little development, aside from his sudden friendship with Nagini (no back story on how THAT happened yet) and oh yeah Grindelwald claiming that Credence is Aurelius Dumbledore.
Cool reveal....if it made sense?!
I think there are a lot of deleted scenes with the two of them.
@@myldias8373 but still no character development
Dr. Phill, Leta and Grindelwald were the only developed one.
Newt didn’t change at all
Jacob was useless in this movie
Tina didn’t change as well
Queenie was...tbh I don’t think this is the same Queenie from the first one.
The whole dumbledore and grindelwald fight where Ariana dies was after the pact. If you remember when dumbledore had to drink that potion when he was getting the horcrux with harry he was saying “please don’t hurt them hurt me instead” grindelwald couldn’t fight dumbledore so he had to hurt aberforth and Ariana. And maybe grindelwald and dumbledore tried to fight, but the magic of the blood pact repelled their curses and hit Ariana who died.
Maria Kd exactly what i thought!
That would be tragic and really cool!
Did anyone else notice in the credits when they showed the blood pact pendant thing that there was a rainbow background just to be like, “Hey, just in case you haven’t figured it out or heard it already, Dumbledore‘s gay.” I laughed so hard and everyone looked a me weird. (Wonder why?)
yeah same
Wait, really. Noice
I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS VIDEO SINCE I SAW IT OPENING DAY!!!
me too
Your time has come!
@@SuperCarlinBrothers before it even started i was telling my friend how excited i was for the review video 😂
Girl, same!
ME TOOOO
I'm surprised you guys liked it so much because I'm a huge harry potter fan and I didn't like it at all. I didn't hate it, but so many plot holes popped up and there were so many useless scenes that didn't make sense. So many characters I wished they would show more that just were skimmed over (COUGH COUGH NAGINI COUGH COUGH) and a lot of the visually stunning scenes ruined the tone or didn't match up with what just happened. There were so many can of worms that they opened with that film and I'm still hoping it will all make sense if they tie up all the loose ends in the next one coming out...fingers crossed.
It's a series of films u can't really judge in till the end
I'm also a huge Harry Potter fan but honestly I thought this was one of the best movies. When I first watched the first movie I hated it and I loved the second one! I think it's because the second one seems more Harry potterish more magical but the first one was like weird and idk the setting was weird. I know this is just me and that's fine but idk I personally even with the plot holes I think it's better and more interesting.
Nonameless I didn’t HATE it, but I didn’t feel like I did when I was watching Harry Potter. It wasn’t as magical to me.
unknowning unknown what??
unknowning unknown but as the movies go on, they become more mature.
I'm pretty sure Grindelwald had his eyes on Queenie bc she's a Legilimens and he needed her to read Creedence's mind bc he knew Creedence would be fragile after he joined him. That way he could approach Creedence when the time was right and tell him he is a Dumbledore. Also, it's just good to have her around in order to manipulate people better.
Mike Y. Yup, it wasn’t just for Creedence, Grindelwald wouldn’t be that short sighted. Queenie would be a very useful lieutenant in general.
I think the fact that they fought after the blood pact meant it was destined that someone would die, in this case ariana
Yeah, I was also wondering if maybe it wasn't the duel itself that killed Ariana, but the fact that they were sort of breaking the bloodpact and it took a life in retaliation.
I feel that it was Aberforth and Gindlewald who were fighting and Albus tried to possibly disarm them that one of their spells hit Arianna which killed her, and of course Albus sees himself to blame.
I don't know if death of a bystander would be inevitable, but it absolutely makes sense that they tried to duel after the blood pact and it didn't work and somehow caused Ariana's death
We still don’t know the consequences of breaking the blood pact?!?!
Electrolighter With Cactus it’s a theory you dingus
The salamander reminded me of Ginny's poem
'you're eyes are as green as a fresh pickled toad'
And hair as dark as chalkboard
@@starsofnarnia YESSS!!! And a PJO/HoO fan too - I mean it is a dam good series.
@@carmenmishra2620 it is amazing!
3 years late on the video but I love these types of videos and the theories because it gives me bits and pieces of the universe in the span of waiting for the next part. Even if we are wrong. If you are wrong and expected something different then you could just see it as throwing a curveball. But if you are right then you are like heck yes! I knew it!
I also arrived late, so you are not alone. I'm really trying not get into the FB series as I 🤔 it boring af when they first came out.
@@gettfoffmynews3315 it’s different than HP but I still have loved the movies just because if gives me more of the world that I have loved since I was little. And I can’t wait for Secrets of Dumbledore
I love how Ben is so analytical in these reviews but J is the more “reactive” and emotional one. They work very well together!
They switched places using the greatest plot device known to man: the ployjuice potion
But how did they switch places? That's the whole point of the burnt fly, right? o_o
People overlook that Mcgonagall taught Augusta Longbottom as she knew that Augusta failed Charms OWL. Augusta was born pre 1947 according the wiki. The absolute latest she started Hogwarts would be in 1958. Augusta, according to the wiki, had Frank in 1957...so Augusta must have been born sometimes during the early 40s or late 30s or even earlier. If that is the case, that means Mcgonagall started teaching earlier as well and is older than what we thought.
I assumed from that comment in OOTP that the two were classmates.
I think it is quite possible that Grindelwald is toying with and manipulating Credence. By giving him the “Dumbledore” name, he may insinuate that the Dumbledores abandoned him and that they’re the villains. Because Credence has 0 prior impression of Dumbledore, he might choose to believe Grindelwald and will be used as a weapon against Dumbledore because he is a powerful wizard. This is potentially brainwashing an impressionable, terrified youth like Credence, to defeat Dumbledore and take over the world. We may see in Austria (where the next film will be set in) that Grindelwald and Queenie have trained him to harness his powers. As a result, his Obsurius most likely died off? Also that’s why Queenie conveniently enough becomes a key helper. In the last scenes in Austria, Queenie can read Credence’s mind and tell Grindelwald what persuasive strategy would be best used on Credence. After all, he’s rather unpredictable, mysterious and unstable. So with Queenie knowing what he wants, Grindelwald is guaranteed to manipulate him effectively.
2) How they found Queenie. An interesting scene where there’s use of noises and then silence when the lady shows up (who may master Occulemency). You can tell even from the first film how distressed or apologetic she is for her Leglimens. It’s a clear breaking point for her in this scene and thru the silence, she breaks free of that and becomes vulnerable to the lady. This creates the opportunity for Grindelwald to talk her into joining his side.
Ann Lee this is exactly what was going through my head I am so glad that someone pointed this out!
Rowling confirmed that Grindlewald was'nt lying.
Packard were
@@natepackard2574 where?
Quite possible? It's spelled out that Grindlewald just tells everybody what they need to hear to do his bidding.
What if Ariana was killed during the duel because their fighting was against the blood pact? Think about it: Dumbledore and Grindelwald make the blood pact, then sometime later it reached the moment where Aberforth and them start fighting. Because Dumbledore and Grindelwald made the pact, when one of them fires a curse at the other, it rebounds cause of the pact and hits Ariana.
Sandstorm This is what makes most sense for me too
I'm thinking this too. And that might be why Albus doesn't know if he killed Ariana: because at that moment he didn't have control on the spells.
I think the problem is a lot of times the theories that the fan bases come up with make more sense than what ends up happening in the movies
I have a theory about the blood pact but its kinda dumb soo
Maybe we don't fully understand how blood pacts work yet? Perhaps, instead of just flat out preventing the two from fighting (or whatever else a person would make a pact for) it changes the outcome.
So after the blood pact is made, when they attempt to duel, the actual pact is like
"Umm excuse me no. You cannot fight. I'm going to show you what happens when you break a blood pact:"
*gets ariana killed instead*
So maybe somebody important to dumbledore will die (again) if he's the one to initiate the fight without breaking the pact
Maybe dumbledore even knows this? And thats why he knows he can't fight grindewald
Aside from this, isnt there something about oaths thats states a person will die if you break it? Maybe the pact has similar effects
Maybe something like because of the blood pact a spell from dumbledore just ricochet of from grindelwald and hit ariana?
@@dorianfischer643 yeah, thats exactly it, I'm just bad with my words
This is a really good theory but I really wouldn't like it to be the case... I think that Ariana being a casualty from their battle for trying to help Dumbledore win is FAR better storytelling because Dumbledore feels regret at 3 levels. 1 he feels regret for allowing himself to love Grindelwald and ultimately getting his sister killed 2 he regrets being resentful towards his sister's condition and not giving her the love that she deserved and 3 he regrets being too weak magically to stop Grindewald and too weak argumentatively to stop the fight from hapoening... Dumbledore knowingly breaking the blood pact takes some away from all of this
@@adoniscreed4031 I understand all of that, and tbh it would be better reasoning and leave more emotional damage then "oh magic thing ok"
But it was just a theory!
My theory is maybe there was a dark love story element?! JK Rowling has mentioned in the past Dumbledore is gay and the Mirror of Erised shows us our deepest most desperate desire. Could the reason that blood pact was viewed through the mirror, be that Dumbledore's deepest desire was Grindlewald? Maybe the blood pact was a love/marriage thing?
Letra says "I LOVE YOU" to BOTH of them! In the script it says that she looks right at NEWT and THESEUS, and then she says it.
Violet Folgi That could be because they're both there, and the script itself includes that mystery.
But if it's in the script like that, it would clearly be aimed at Theseus, don't you think?
I think the 2 of them will now carry the same protection lily gave Harry.
@@ash-tj5rl naw man, i hope not. That would not only be a really terrible way of including it, but it would also be a unoriginal thing as well. She did not sacrifice herself for them like Lily did for Harry, and it would really take away that kind of mistery around this type of protection
Well, in the German version she says "Ich liebe dich", which is singular (we differentiate singular and plural "you"... on the other hand, we both call "she" and "they" "sie", so we also have our problems with pronouns, but just with the third person, not the second), so I never actually thought about it being directed to Theseus in the first place.
This may be a translation error but those you-issues happened a lot in Harry Potter novels and films and the German translators actually contacted Rowling to learn about what the correct translation would be, so I guess they did it that time as well. I'm pretty much convinced Leta only meant Newt.
Omg I was anxiously awaiting the Super Carlin Brothers take on this movie. You guys are my go to for analyzing the potter world. I LOVED the movie, it’s obvious that it’s part of a series. It’s frustrating to not have books or lore to reference! I do have faith that JK will tie everything together as the movies progress. I also feel like reading the Harry Potter books then watching the movie, although there were differences, was soooooo much more fun for me as a potterhead! Is it only me? Thanks for your videos I look forward to watching so many more.
Same here!!
I think only Potterheads(I m one too) loved this movie cause the couple sitting beside me were completely blank,they didn't understand what was going on in the movie.
I went with friends who aren't super into harry potter and they liked the movie one of them even said shes inspired to read the books again
@@vanessachloe8323 Oh my God,thats a relief!!
Yes! I went with my sister likes the Harry Potter series but had no clue about the FB series (she kinda lives under a rock lol) and she was so so lost. But I loved it! I know JK will answer our questions in the movies to come but I just can’t wait!! Especially for the trailers for the Super Carlin Brothers to break down I love all their predictions and theories of the Wizarding world 🤗
I just realized, that Newt is just a Pottermon Trainer.
Who else was waiting for SOOOOOO long after they saw the movie lols
Thanks 4 uploading
Me! I watched it on the 13th at early release and I've been dying for the SCB take on it.
Lol the movie came out on Friday this is literally their first video since.
@@arielsteinsaltz1956 There were early releases all over the country, some of us have been waiting longer than a few days.
Kayla May I was waiting for a week, although it felt like way more lol
I don't think it ever explains the whole Leta, Theseus and Newt thing but I suspect that Leta has always had self destructive tendencies because she feels she doesn't deserve anything good, like her relationship with Newt because she accidentally killed her brother. I think his deaths weighs heavily on her and everything she does is self destructive.
Watching the trailer: what's going on? I'm sure it will all be explained in the movie
Watching the movie: nope nevermind
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Theories are nice, but for the actual facts, look at this:
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And realize already how embarassing the state of this Franchise has become. Even the state of the mind of the creator, APPARENTLY.
"Do you think we're a problem for storyt-" "Yes."
15:18 ouuuhhh yesss, man. That spell is called Aresto Momentum. In the movie we first saw it in Prisoner of Azkaban, when Dumbledore saved Harry because he fell from his broomstick. Then, in Order of The phoenix at Department of Mysteries and the last one at Gringgots when Hermione produce the spell.
ARRESTO MOMENTUM, MAN!!
Yes, that is!