Exactly, it's why after Asylum (which is when I started watching AHS in real time), I would always love the first episode of almost every season and get super hyped up for it and then get progressively disappointed from there
I've been saying this for years and years, and now people are finally starting to admit it. He's really bad at paying off what he's built up. Even Glee was awesome at first then went downhill midway through, just like every season of AHS.
I still cant believe he made Finn go through a plotline involving the father of the character having a drug overdose after the actor had come out with his drug addiction problem before this... Disgusting.
I love that he is often loyal to his actors, but he would definitely benefit from having a limited time or number of seasons for each project. To keep him and his audience interested and the quality high! ,
The way he uses sex in all of his projects not as a crutch but a god damn wheelchair. It’s creepy and what’s even more gross is the way he uses non consensual sex acts.
A Queer hack, so he both empowers through visibility...and exploits through limited cliches of that community. So we overlook the mixed baggedness of it all...for the amazing potential, but always left feeling disappointed when he gets to the point (or forced finale). It's all a good-looking, scandalous, perverse journey...but a short trip.
The thing I've noticed with Murphy is that he seems to have a fascination with serial killers, to the point where I feel like he's telling these stories because he gets off on them. I watched Monster/Dahmer and then I tried to watch AHS:NYC, but I couldn't get past the first episode because it felt like a mere extension of Monster. Then I started thinking about the Halloween dinner scene in AHS:Hotel, and the whole Richard Ramierez plotline in AHS:1984, and it became very apparent to me that Murphy has a personal obsession with this subject matter.
I will never forgive them for the switch to digital with Glee - when they were shooting on film and it had that grainy look that every other show (except The Walking Dead) was turning away from, it felt so nostalgic and kind of placed it within that 90s, 00s washy teen genre in aesthetic, whilst in content having something distinctly unique
he can't finish a story. too many loose ends. character arcs going nowhere. and sloppy wrapup of stories. this is every season of his projects. also he RUINED AHS with the nonsensical connecting universe. leave the season as it is. it became a tangled mess just for fan service. he ruined pose cause he saw billy porter won an emmy and rewrote the show to be around his characters. all the character arcs set in season 1 went to the dumpster.
No literally. Like let it be what it supposed to be: an anthology series. Also I think that the show lost its usual emmy nomination when they began to start connecting seasons together (I think it started with Apocalypse?? I know freakshow connected back to asylum but what do I know 💀)
I believe it’s also important to note the writing credits in season 1 vs season 2 of ACS. Ryan Murphy clearly had more creative control over Versace. This explains the jarring tonal shift.
I really enjoyed watching this. You're such a good documentarian. Excellent presentation, funny and entertaining. I suffer with anxiety and certain voices grate my nerves the wrong way, but I found listening to you very soothing. I know these things take a lot of effort, but I'd like to see more like this.
Great essay! I think you hit on a lot of my problems with Murphy’s projects. On a related note, I’ve never been more disappointed than when Leslie Grossman’s AHS character didn’t turn out to be Mary Cherry in disguise. 😄
@@goblinlibrary280 Ryan is that incredibly promising author that can’t stay out of the bars, can’t stop going to the opium dens, can’t stop picking fights with his bosses, and refuses to fix his sets or get rid of his special pecking order.
I live for Ryan Murphy slander so I love this lol - Ryan Murphy embodies a certain archetype of rich white cis gay man that I can't stand. I've come across people like him irl and they're never cool You make a good point that he's taking up too much space in LGBT media. It sucks cuz the shows look interesting, but they're all guaranteed to suck by at least the 2nd season. I don't watch anything if I see his name attached to it now. He needs to hand off the torch to better LGBT creators!
I was born in 1990 so me and my younger 1992 cousin loved nip/tuck when the show first came on. Where were our parents?!? I didn’t know he did that but it makes sense. Very good video thank you
Murphy is good for ideas. But he gets pretty far into a show/project and just lets it rot. He focuses on his new shiny toy and forgets about the other one
American Crime Story season 2 story was told backwards, thats why we saw the death right at the start. Every episode went further back in time revealing more and more about what led Andrew up to the killing
Couple notes: Nip/Tuck may seem ‘normal’ on paper, and even by today’s standards, but the show itself was anything but. There were insane plotlines, serial killers and fairly dark & morally complex main characters. It was the direct ancestor to every future, non-Glee (tho, some could make the argument that it’s included as well) Ryan Murphy project. Second, the insane Cop Rock was the first musical series. Finally, Dark Shadows was the first full-on horror series. Other than that, interesting video!
Thank you so much for this video. I feel the same way. He has great ideas and great storytelling when it is precise and focused. This was the problem with all the seasons of AHS. Too many crazy ideas thrown out like food at the wall to see what sticks. Like in Season 2 Anne Frank, Season 1 Black Dahlia, Season 3 WitchHunter Society, Season 4 the whole ventriloquist arc, Season 5 the whole serial killer arc and so on.
Wow - I thought I was alone in seeing the steep drop in quality between seasons 1 and 2 of American Crime Story. I barely got through 1 episode of the Versace series.
I'm years late to this video, but what I gather is Steven Moffat and Ryan Murphy are the Scottish/American versions of each other. Great ideas, with work that has strong beginnings, but unable to keep the high standard going despite a strong rotation of decent actors. All the while, they believe in their own hype and remain unaware of their shortcomings.
Your right about season 2 of American Crime story. I could watch season 1 multiple times but season two was weird for me. One I’m a straight dude and every scene has gay all over it. Not that I have an issue with the main character being gay but it made it hard to watch. Also my dad walked in as I’m watching it and he’s just like wtf. Loved older seasons of AHS and wasn’t really into glee. I liked parts of Hollywood but it was like a 5 out of 10. I think Murphy got talent but hit or miss
I think the "gay" stuff with ACS Versace came with the territory, though at times it was grandiose and/or lacked subtlety, depending on the episode. One of the victims served in the military under Don't Ask Don't Tell. And while it may have been embellished in the second, the authorities were primarily not quick to present relevant details. What I liked most about ACS Versace was how the storylines of Versace and the Killer were presented. Concurrently showing the killer's story mostly going backwards while Versace is shown during his life, from the alleged first meeting in San Francisco with the man who would later kill him.
Oof you really should give nip/tuck more than just that tiny shout out like this show was literally so insane and completely unhinged especially the longer it went on. A true Ryan Murphy staple. Like I always tell people who haven’t seen it that it’s essentially AHS: Plastic Surgery
This is a small issue but it bothered me so much when watching assassination of gianni versace that all the main italian characters were never shown speaking italian to each other. I always find it bizarre when this happens in tv and movies but it really pulls me out of the moment when characters who clearly speak another language are shown instead speaking english in thick accents. Am i supposed to believe that Donatella and Gianni Versace only spoke english to each other even in private? My frustration with this increased tenfold when they showed the flashback of young versace in school speaking english with a (in my opinion) terrible italian accent IN ITALY. it was very jarring and strange especially in a show that's supposed to be about real people. I wonder if hollywood thinks audiences won't read subtitles or something.
Ryan Murphy has a new show out this season called Grotesquerie and from my perspective it’s in a lot of ways just him putting the tiniest distance between himself and AHS but it’s a show that really wouldn’t have felt out of place in the AHS anthology, especially in the earlier days before they became a seemingly connected universe. I’m actually a little surprised how many people are getting into the show knowing it’s a Ryan Murphy one and how they usually end….. it’s also extremely confusing in a way where people assume it’s going to lead up to a twist but I think writing in a way where people can’t tell if it’s bad writing or a lead up is still bad writing, just for a different reason. This video is so astute and yet we’re three years out from it and he still made another 2 season of AHS and now this “new” show🙃 I don’t know who’s pocket he’s in or if it’s just a symptom of Hollywood liking to go with “safe” “known” entities but I’d love to see this budget put towards a fresh horror series and for people to stop letting him put his grubby little hands on other series that were doing fine without him in the pilot seat.
Also, it’s not that I absolutely hate him, I find a lot of shows he attached to an entertaining watch, I just think he’s worthy of critique like anyone else and I find it interesting how he seems to have a pattern that’s allowed to continue when many others would have been cut off or re-routed years ago by the Hollywood machine.
A lot of your points are good but your problem with the chronology of american crime story season 2 is just nonsensical sorry. There is still a climax at the end. Storytelling doesnt have to be linear to be suspensful. Weird take
an anthology has the right to feel like a different show every season in my opinion at least , i liked season two and i think the fact you found it not discussing any deeper issues as as an oversight . for example , i really liked the representation of homophobia in highly masculine forces such as the army which was portrayed through one of the victims stories and many more complex narratives .
I would like to know what Tommy, thinks about season 11 American Horror Story NYC. I felt watching the whole series that Ryan had improved. His depictions of the AIDS epidemic , the homophobia within the police force and fear of serial killers during the 80s, was realistic. The using of the metaphor for the ''Big Daddy" protagonist was a clever move, in the plot development.
Well i gotta saaaay Asylum was PERFECT, it always left me with a weird sensation and discomfort which i loved. And the plot twist at the end and how it ended was like a bomb. But 1984 WAS GOOD!!! I know it got so much backlash but i really enjoyed it and made me wanna go live in the 80’s😂 but i guess.. everyone has their taste.
I have to say something about Darren Chris. It took me forever to look at his face even on Glee again after seeing his disturbing portrayal of a serial killer. It just disturbed me. My mom said that this would be better if you watch the show backwards because that is when the chronology makes more sense. But again, it was so hard to not look at Darren Chris for a while after seeing him as this serial killer. That says something to his acting, at least.
I agree with most of what you're saying, especially about AHS. I disagree about season 2 of ACS. Friends kept telling me to watch Versace. I had no interest in thinking about Cunannan. I finally fave in and loved it because it was about THE VICTIMS more than just about him. I loved Feud. I loved Versace. I am loving IMPEACHMENT. I loved Season 1 of AHS. The rest of the series seems just an excuse for gore with little plot. I think he has done a good job of diversity without making it feel forced. But lets face it, people will always want to see beautiful people.
Ryan Murphy felt like it was okay to comment on "cute little girl bodies" and "how sweet they are", amongst other questionable behaviors. I don't think he deserves any good graces.
I was saying Agatha All Along feels like a Ryan Murphy show that's actually good. Ryan could never care about so many female characters in the way that Agatha All Along does, nor do so without sexualising anyone to the male gaze lol
I currently have a love-hate relationship with that man. I absolutely love his creativity, he puts out stuff that you just can't look away. But he's a terrible writer, he never knows which direction to take his stories and they end up all over the place. He also has a tendency to exploit kinks, he's not doing the community any favors
He's pretty genius, Enjoyed pretty much every show and every season. (still got a lot to see, but who can see EVERY Murphy season anyway). Enjoyed American Crime Story 1-2-3 equally and differently.. Why should they be or look the same anyway ? Not like every AHS season had to be the same. Enjoyed Slasher country season as much as coven or Murder House. Campy ? fine with me. Male flesh ? why not, nothing wrong with it. Pose? genius. Dont think Cunanan ever was in the public eye, before he died. (compared to say OJ simpson or Marcia). So yeah you got to fill it in, and it doesn't have to BE the same show. It's an anthology. As for the "general opinion" - since when did the General opinion or even the general reviewers - every picked up on something ever on their own? Long live the new Ryan Murphy flesh.
Will you do a video on MONSTER/Menendez Brothers retelling. Two ki**ers but s*xual abus* victims, extremely sexualized. Very surprising choice to take.
I agree whole heartedly ..sometimes a i feel g0ffed with some of his works..the part about him leaving his work and then just throwing jot men in to keep the audience interested when the show goes to crap
No shade but ryan is super bad at finalizing his endeavors. He is super great at a season + 2, 3, and maybe 4 but then flat lines. I get it everyones out for a buck, but he needs to take a step back. We have all seen it with nip tuck, glee, and now importantly AHS. Ryan read this take the black pill from red tide maybe you can actually finish something you started. Take the black pill
How is it people just ranting beat for beat what happens in some of these shows on a bad quality mic have more views on a 15-20 minute video than you putting in this work?
I just realized that most of my favorite shows/ films/ series I have watched in the past were produced by Ryan Murphy. Like my first series I ever got into was Nip Tuck and Glee. Then I really loved all the American crime stories especially the assassination of Versace. They were all so good! When I started getting hooked on AHS seasons I looked up the producer because I was like this producer is so talented. After looking Ryan up I wanted to see other films and other work he has done and found out almost ALL of my most favorite shows I have watched were produced by him. And I was so shocked because I had no clue. I am definitely a super fan and would watch anything he produces. He is so talented. ❤❤
I just realized why on earth didn’t he make the Menéndez story an American crime story? Like why did he put them right after to the serial killer other than to further more certainly destroy how the public views them ??
There was a show similar in premise to Popular around the same time (or maybe earlier, like before 90210) with Barbara Eden where these two girls (Jennie garth and shawnee Smith, the girl from Becker). There parents I think met on a cruise ship or vacation, they married and the girls hated each other. The show didn't last long I don't think. But I was a fan. (I mean come on, Barbara Eden) 1989. Brand New Life. They didn't meet on a cruise ship, the mom was a waitress and the man was wealthy. But they must have went on a cruise or something, lol.
I was wondering why you skipped Dahmer and Monsters and then realised this was posted 4 years ago! Well, I actually felt like Ratched was much like AHS Seasons 1-3 and that was good to experience (personally i would reccommend for AHS fans) but everything else in Ryan Murphy's filmography has just gotten worse.
I would expect a white youtuber to give credit to Ryan Murphy for the parody movie trend and completely ignore the Wayans Brothers. Not Another Teen Movie couldn't have happened without Scary Movie
I didn't give him credit for the trend, I said his show was inspired by parodying the teen film genre of the time and that parodying those films became a whole film genre in it of itself. Not saying he created that genre, just that absurdist humor and poking fun at those films was trendy during the time of his show Popular.
I never watched Popular, the show that is focused on early in this video, but the parody apparently was on a different level than Scary Movie/Not Another Teen Movie would be. And the Wayans Brothers didn't create parody movies. Scary Movie primarily parodies Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer, not teen movies in general.
Yes for once, cuz I always feel these we need to talk about is a personal dux Tate from an high horse...irt it's an elaboration that is not needed to share, there is enough being said or has been said already... but het it's like no...you're right he needs to hear if he doesn't come back and really button it up it's a World that ends with a whisper...and betrays my total gratitude and rapture for Coven and the Supreame Ultimate, the character of Cordelia Goode Vessel beyond all others of all the Bloodline and the Great Crone, her real mother but of Soul not Blood, Resplendent. Myrtle Snow...hey sue me I'm an Elder Queer Witch I soften at good representation...
Maybe the fault lies in tiring it all in one Universe...as stand slines if one world here another there sometimes tied TOGEATHER sometimes not would of made it all...seem better to dissect, examine, and rank up...
Yeah Ryan tends to write out his make characters in either sexy late twink or tomorrow ally cardboard two dimensional stand up poster...except for be Dennis...t he says way way exception to rule...and pl see...Liz was a revalation ton to he nation and in my mind deserves a Trans pass....
I realize that it was probably not your intention, but in describing the differences between seasons 1 & 2 of American Crime Story came off as homophonic + 🌈
Seeing the recurring actors of ryan murphy projects just makes it seem like a mad tv skit 😂
hahaha never thought of it this way but this is so true
@@TommyStubbs I like how I'm now seeing this after 3 years of mayhem from the murphster 😂
ryan is great at beginning a show and building it up, but has no idea where to go after climax or how to end it.
Exactly, it's why after Asylum (which is when I started watching AHS in real time), I would always love the first episode of almost every season and get super hyped up for it and then get progressively disappointed from there
This...I think he must have really bad adhd
I've been saying this for years and years, and now people are finally starting to admit it. He's really bad at paying off what he's built up. Even Glee was awesome at first then went downhill midway through, just like every season of AHS.
Maybe he needs to try a new approach. But i still feel he is good at what he is doing
The guy’s got four new shows right now and it looks like he came up with all of them on his lunch break.
@@samfilmkid Netflix paying him almost $300 million for reheated leftovers is the biggest fleece of all time.
Just started Grotesquery 😅 it is so bad.
@@ErgoDog It makes True Detective 2 look like True Detective 1.
This man has great ideas, but he’s incredibly inconsistent.
Nasty man boy
And even his ideas are starting to get repetitive and predictable.
He’s also a strike breaker
I still cant believe he made Finn go through a plotline involving the father of the character having a drug overdose after the actor had come out with his drug addiction problem before this... Disgusting.
But... isn't it crazy how one person can come up with glee and American Horror story. I mean what is he dreaming, reading,SMOKING?
I love that he is often loyal to his actors, but he would definitely benefit from having a limited time or number of seasons for each project. To keep him and his audience interested and the quality high!
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The way he uses sex in all of his projects not as a crutch but a god damn wheelchair. It’s creepy and what’s even more gross is the way he uses non consensual sex acts.
@@awkwardathena434 Ryan Murphy is a sick man in desperate need of a therapist.
True I have lost count on the amount of butts I have seen on AHS lol n they were completely unwarranted and added nothing to the horror or the episode
He does make horror shows, not romantic comedies. Child 😅
Here’s all you need to know about Ryan Murphy: He’s a hack.
amen.
A Queer hack, so he both empowers through visibility...and exploits through limited cliches of that community. So we overlook the mixed baggedness of it all...for the amazing potential, but always left feeling disappointed when he gets to the point (or forced finale). It's all a good-looking, scandalous, perverse journey...but a short trip.
The thing I've noticed with Murphy is that he seems to have a fascination with serial killers, to the point where I feel like he's telling these stories because he gets off on them. I watched Monster/Dahmer and then I tried to watch AHS:NYC, but I couldn't get past the first episode because it felt like a mere extension of Monster. Then I started thinking about the Halloween dinner scene in AHS:Hotel, and the whole Richard Ramierez plotline in AHS:1984, and it became very apparent to me that Murphy has a personal obsession with this subject matter.
I will never forgive them for the switch to digital with Glee - when they were shooting on film and it had that grainy look that every other show (except The Walking Dead) was turning away from, it felt so nostalgic and kind of placed it within that 90s, 00s washy teen genre in aesthetic, whilst in content having something distinctly unique
the man lacks focus .
he can't finish a story. too many loose ends. character arcs going nowhere. and sloppy wrapup of stories. this is every season of his projects.
also he RUINED AHS with the nonsensical connecting universe. leave the season as it is. it became a tangled mess just for fan service.
he ruined pose cause he saw billy porter won an emmy and rewrote the show to be around his characters. all the character arcs set in season 1 went to the dumpster.
No literally. Like let it be what it supposed to be: an anthology series. Also I think that the show lost its usual emmy nomination when they began to start connecting seasons together (I think it started with Apocalypse?? I know freakshow connected back to asylum but what do I know 💀)
@@shineevelvet7067 THANK YOU. he ruined it so badly and it's silly fanservicing to just the very few AHS fans who were just theorycrafting.
This has been apparent since 2014 but nobody wanted to listen! Ryan Murphy is a hack. Thank you for articulating.
@@manuelirvingzarate Regina George Murphy
I believe it’s also important to note the writing credits in season 1 vs season 2 of ACS. Ryan Murphy clearly had more creative control over Versace. This explains the jarring tonal shift.
I really enjoyed watching this. You're such a good documentarian. Excellent presentation, funny and entertaining. I suffer with anxiety and certain voices grate my nerves the wrong way, but I found listening to you very soothing. I know these things take a lot of effort, but I'd like to see more like this.
Same!! I need more of this☺️
Great essay! I think you hit on a lot of my problems with Murphy’s projects.
On a related note, I’ve never been more disappointed than when Leslie Grossman’s AHS character didn’t turn out to be Mary Cherry in disguise. 😄
I'm dead 😂😂😂
@@goblinlibrary280 Ryan is that incredibly promising author that can’t stay out of the bars, can’t stop going to the opium dens, can’t stop picking fights with his bosses, and refuses to fix his sets or get rid of his special pecking order.
Only 12 minutes in but absolutely dying at the scene comparison of Asylum to 1984…shows how much AHS went to shit
😂😂😂
I live for Ryan Murphy slander so I love this lol - Ryan Murphy embodies a certain archetype of rich white cis gay man that I can't stand. I've come across people like him irl and they're never cool
You make a good point that he's taking up too much space in LGBT media. It sucks cuz the shows look interesting, but they're all guaranteed to suck by at least the 2nd season. I don't watch anything if I see his name attached to it now. He needs to hand off the torch to better LGBT creators!
I was born in 1990 so me and my younger 1992 cousin loved nip/tuck when the show first came on. Where were our parents?!? I didn’t know he did that but it makes sense. Very good video thank you
Murphy is good for ideas. But he gets pretty far into a show/project and just lets it rot. He focuses on his new shiny toy and forgets about the other one
American Crime Story season 2 story was told backwards, thats why we saw the death right at the start. Every episode went further back in time revealing more and more about what led Andrew up to the killing
Gosh, this is superb. You've done so well by your audience, sources and YT contemporaries in putting this video-essay together.
I hate Ryan Murphy but Popular ate so hard
He also recycled a LOT of ideas from this on Glee
This needs way more views. I really appreciate how well you break down your views
All of his shows start out great then runs out of ideas and dosent know when to end them .
Couple notes: Nip/Tuck may seem ‘normal’ on paper, and even by today’s standards, but the show itself was anything but. There were insane plotlines, serial killers and fairly dark & morally complex main characters. It was the direct ancestor to every future, non-Glee (tho, some could make the argument that it’s included as well) Ryan Murphy project. Second, the insane Cop Rock was the first musical series. Finally, Dark Shadows was the first full-on horror series. Other than that, interesting video!
Thank you so much for this video. I feel the same way. He has great ideas and great storytelling when it is precise and focused. This was the problem with all the seasons of AHS. Too many crazy ideas thrown out like food at the wall to see what sticks. Like in Season 2 Anne Frank, Season 1 Black Dahlia, Season 3 WitchHunter Society, Season 4 the whole ventriloquist arc, Season 5 the whole serial killer arc and so on.
Wow - I thought I was alone in seeing the steep drop in quality between seasons 1 and 2 of American Crime Story. I barely got through 1 episode of the Versace series.
I know this video is 2 yrs old but Jesus, it’s so damn good. Got a subscriber outta me ✌🏽💗
Finally! Someone who said it like it is🙌 I'd like to watch a video where you talk about the good and the bad of pose
pros: its ending before it gets dragged into extreme nonsense chaos lol
I'm years late to this video, but what I gather is Steven Moffat and Ryan Murphy are the Scottish/American versions of each other. Great ideas, with work that has strong beginnings, but unable to keep the high standard going despite a strong rotation of decent actors. All the while, they believe in their own hype and remain unaware of their shortcomings.
you gain so many aura points for including so many clips of Sue-per Bass
Your right about season 2 of American Crime story. I could watch season 1 multiple times but season two was weird for me. One I’m a straight dude and every scene has gay all over it. Not that I have an issue with the main character being gay but it made it hard to watch. Also my dad walked in as I’m watching it and he’s just like wtf. Loved older seasons of AHS and wasn’t really into glee. I liked parts of Hollywood but it was like a 5 out of 10. I think Murphy got talent but hit or miss
I think the "gay" stuff with ACS Versace came with the territory, though at times it was grandiose and/or lacked subtlety, depending on the episode. One of the victims served in the military under Don't Ask Don't Tell. And while it may have been embellished in the second, the authorities were primarily not quick to present relevant details. What I liked most about ACS Versace was how the storylines of Versace and the Killer were presented. Concurrently showing the killer's story mostly going backwards while Versace is shown during his life, from the alleged first meeting in San Francisco with the man who would later kill him.
Imagine watching Popular back in the day... it was crazy af!
The way you described Once More with Feeling as awkward felt like an attack. I need backup.
Hi! I loved this video but I noticed you didn’t talk about 9-1-1. So what are your thoughts on that show? And the spin off 9-1-1: Lone Star?
of all his shows, Feud was my favorite.
Oof you really should give nip/tuck more than just that tiny shout out like this show was literally so insane and completely unhinged especially the longer it went on. A true Ryan Murphy staple. Like I always tell people who haven’t seen it that it’s essentially AHS: Plastic Surgery
Ryan Murphy is immune to karma.
karma's a bitch.. unless ur ryan murphy
This video deserves a million views
wasnt he involved with Nip/Tuck ???? loved Hollywood. great fun.
I love Rayan and his projects he’s a great producer and director but people have every right to criticise him! Great analyse btw
I can't imagine him producing a P Diddy season in ACS
Also Kathy bates is my favorite actress of all time and I’d love to smoke a j with her. It’d be on my bucket list. If I was dying I’d call her up
This is a small issue but it bothered me so much when watching assassination of gianni versace that all the main italian characters were never shown speaking italian to each other. I always find it bizarre when this happens in tv and movies but it really pulls me out of the moment when characters who clearly speak another language are shown instead speaking english in thick accents. Am i supposed to believe that Donatella and Gianni Versace only spoke english to each other even in private? My frustration with this increased tenfold when they showed the flashback of young versace in school speaking english with a (in my opinion) terrible italian accent IN ITALY. it was very jarring and strange especially in a show that's supposed to be about real people. I wonder if hollywood thinks audiences won't read subtitles or something.
Ryan Murphy has a new show out this season called Grotesquerie and from my perspective it’s in a lot of ways just him putting the tiniest distance between himself and AHS but it’s a show that really wouldn’t have felt out of place in the AHS anthology, especially in the earlier days before they became a seemingly connected universe. I’m actually a little surprised how many people are getting into the show knowing it’s a Ryan Murphy one and how they usually end….. it’s also extremely confusing in a way where people assume it’s going to lead up to a twist but I think writing in a way where people can’t tell if it’s bad writing or a lead up is still bad writing, just for a different reason.
This video is so astute and yet we’re three years out from it and he still made another 2 season of AHS and now this “new” show🙃 I don’t know who’s pocket he’s in or if it’s just a symptom of Hollywood liking to go with “safe” “known” entities but I’d love to see this budget put towards a fresh horror series and for people to stop letting him put his grubby little hands on other series that were doing fine without him in the pilot seat.
Also, it’s not that I absolutely hate him, I find a lot of shows he attached to an entertaining watch, I just think he’s worthy of critique like anyone else and I find it interesting how he seems to have a pattern that’s allowed to continue when many others would have been cut off or re-routed years ago by the Hollywood machine.
@@lisahoshowsky4251 It looks like a bad attempt at True Detective, featuring Travis Swift: America’s Fuckboy.
A lot of your points are good but your problem with the chronology of american crime story season 2 is just nonsensical sorry. There is still a climax at the end. Storytelling doesnt have to be linear to be suspensful. Weird take
an anthology has the right to feel like a different show every season in my opinion at least , i liked season two and i think the fact you found it not discussing any deeper issues as as an oversight . for example , i really liked the representation of homophobia in highly masculine forces such as the army which was portrayed through one of the victims stories and many more complex narratives .
Nip/Tuck is one one my all-time favorite shows.
I would like to know what Tommy, thinks about season 11 American Horror Story NYC. I felt watching the whole series that Ryan had improved. His depictions of the AIDS epidemic , the homophobia within the police force and fear of serial killers during the 80s, was realistic.
The using of the metaphor for the ''Big Daddy" protagonist was a clever move, in the plot development.
Well i gotta saaaay Asylum was PERFECT, it always left me with a weird sensation and discomfort which i loved. And the plot twist at the end and how it ended was like a bomb. But 1984 WAS GOOD!!! I know it got so much backlash but i really enjoyed it and made me wanna go live in the 80’s😂 but i guess.. everyone has their taste.
Great content.
Thanks for this video.
I have to say something about Darren Chris.
It took me forever to look at his face even on Glee again after seeing his disturbing portrayal of a serial killer. It just disturbed me.
My mom said that this would be better if you watch the show backwards because that is when the chronology makes more sense.
But again, it was so hard to not look at Darren Chris for a while after seeing him as this serial killer. That says something to his acting, at least.
How this doesn't have more views?
I agree with most of what you're saying, especially about AHS. I disagree about season 2 of ACS. Friends kept telling me to watch Versace. I had no interest in thinking about Cunannan. I finally fave in and loved it because it was about THE VICTIMS more than just about him.
I loved Feud. I loved Versace. I am loving IMPEACHMENT. I loved Season 1 of AHS. The rest of the series seems just an excuse for gore with little plot.
I think he has done a good job of diversity without making it feel forced. But lets face it, people will always want to see beautiful people.
You’re trippin. ‘Once More With Feeling’ was Gold.
Ryan Murphy felt like it was okay to comment on "cute little girl bodies" and "how sweet they are", amongst other questionable behaviors. I don't think he deserves any good graces.
Might I add that camp plays a lot to his shows
Very well done video! But what do you think about the politician and 911( they are Ryan murphy’ s projects too)
The Politician I could only stomach for one episode and I haven't seen 911 but glad that he was able to do another project with Angela Basset!
Wow, that was 40 minutes thar just flew by!!
Loved this video. A lot of good points. Thank you.
If Ryan Murphy has no haters, it means that I am dead
He's a scuzzball, I feel like I have to shower in lye with a wire brush when I watch one of his shows.
This video is amazing and sooooo smart !!
I was saying Agatha All Along feels like a Ryan Murphy show that's actually good. Ryan could never care about so many female characters in the way that Agatha All Along does, nor do so without sexualising anyone to the male gaze lol
I currently have a love-hate relationship with that man. I absolutely love his creativity, he puts out stuff that you just can't look away. But he's a terrible writer, he never knows which direction to take his stories and they end up all over the place. He also has a tendency to exploit kinks, he's not doing the community any favors
Impeachment ACS was really well done!!
He's pretty genius, Enjoyed pretty much every show and every season. (still got a lot to see, but who can see EVERY Murphy season anyway).
Enjoyed American Crime Story 1-2-3 equally and differently.. Why should they be or look the same anyway ? Not like every AHS season had to be the same. Enjoyed Slasher country season as much as coven or Murder House.
Campy ? fine with me. Male flesh ? why not, nothing wrong with it.
Pose? genius.
Dont think Cunanan ever was in the public eye, before he died. (compared to say OJ simpson or Marcia). So yeah you got to fill it in, and it doesn't have to BE the same show. It's an anthology.
As for the "general opinion" - since when did the General opinion or even the general reviewers - every picked up on something ever on their own?
Long live the new Ryan Murphy flesh.
I knew Ryan Murphy was a hack after season 2 of AHS. He really started a whole Nazi scifi subplot that went absolutely nowhere
Would you do a video covering the decline of AHS like touching on the wild unfinished plots and boring characters
Will you do a video on MONSTER/Menendez Brothers retelling. Two ki**ers but s*xual abus* victims, extremely sexualized. Very surprising choice to take.
This was really good
I agree whole heartedly ..sometimes a i feel g0ffed with some of his works..the part about him leaving his work and then just throwing jot men in to keep the audience interested when the show goes to crap
No shade but ryan is super bad at finalizing his endeavors. He is super great at a season + 2, 3, and maybe 4 but then flat lines. I get it everyones out for a buck, but he needs to take a step back. We have all seen it with nip tuck, glee, and now importantly AHS. Ryan read this take the black pill from red tide maybe you can actually finish something you started. Take the black pill
He’d turn into a pale, so no.
@@manuelirvingzarate he already is one
How is it people just ranting beat for beat what happens in some of these shows on a bad quality mic have more views on a 15-20 minute video than you putting in this work?
I just realized that most of my favorite shows/ films/ series I have watched in the past were produced by Ryan Murphy. Like my first series I ever got into was Nip Tuck and Glee. Then I really loved all the American crime stories especially the assassination of Versace. They were all so good! When I started getting hooked on AHS seasons I looked up the producer because I was like this producer is so talented. After looking Ryan up I wanted to see other films and other work he has done and found out almost ALL of my most favorite shows I have watched were produced by him. And I was so shocked because I had no clue. I am definitely a super fan and would watch anything he produces. He is so talented. ❤❤
I just realized why on earth didn’t he make the Menéndez story an American crime story? Like why did he put them right after to the serial killer other than to further more certainly destroy how the public views them ??
There was a show similar in premise to Popular around the same time (or maybe earlier, like before 90210) with Barbara Eden where these two girls (Jennie garth and shawnee Smith, the girl from Becker). There parents I think met on a cruise ship or vacation, they married and the girls hated each other. The show didn't last long I don't think. But I was a fan. (I mean come on, Barbara Eden)
1989. Brand New Life. They didn't meet on a cruise ship, the mom was a waitress and the man was wealthy. But they must have went on a cruise or something, lol.
I was wondering why you skipped Dahmer and Monsters and then realised this was posted 4 years ago! Well, I actually felt like Ratched was much like AHS Seasons 1-3 and that was good to experience (personally i would reccommend for AHS fans) but everything else in Ryan Murphy's filmography has just gotten worse.
Letz dragged Ryan Murphy for worshiping rach-I mean...lea michele soo much.
Yes the thing about the white male role is stale as 20 day old bread..and his idea of queen baiting ..because I'm so sick of his choices
I'm 3 minutes in and I think I'm in love with you.
Great video!
Man this is a great video.
Ryan Murphy is so overrated.. dug the Glee pilot and a couple seasons of American Horror story, but that show fell off so hard
Hollywood..."Hollywood"? That's just...redundant and laziness ....
I liked your video about him and what he has done
Well i don't know who the fuck that is so i don't think we do.
You sound like @kingdomorange2
I would expect a white youtuber to give credit to Ryan Murphy for the parody movie trend and completely ignore the Wayans Brothers. Not Another Teen Movie couldn't have happened without Scary Movie
I didn't give him credit for the trend, I said his show was inspired by parodying the teen film genre of the time and that parodying those films became a whole film genre in it of itself. Not saying he created that genre, just that absurdist humor and poking fun at those films was trendy during the time of his show Popular.
@@TommyStubbs uh huh. Cuz that's not what you said
@@jeraldisme i mean, you can be mad what do you want me to do about that lol
I never watched Popular, the show that is focused on early in this video, but the parody apparently was on a different level than Scary Movie/Not Another Teen Movie would be. And the Wayans Brothers didn't create parody movies. Scary Movie primarily parodies Scream and I Know What You Did Last Summer, not teen movies in general.
Yes for once, cuz I always feel these we need to talk about is a personal dux Tate from an high horse...irt it's an elaboration that is not needed to share, there is enough being said or has been said already... but het it's like no...you're right he needs to hear if he doesn't come back and really button it up it's a World that ends with a whisper...and betrays my total gratitude and rapture for Coven and the Supreame Ultimate, the character of Cordelia Goode Vessel beyond all others of all the Bloodline and the Great Crone, her real mother but of Soul not Blood, Resplendent. Myrtle Snow...hey sue me I'm an Elder Queer Witch I soften at good representation...
Maybe the fault lies in tiring it all in one Universe...as stand slines if one world here another there sometimes tied TOGEATHER sometimes not would of made it all...seem better to dissect, examine, and rank up...
the series about andrew cunanan was not faithful to the book
Yeah Ryan tends to write out his make characters in either sexy late twink or tomorrow ally cardboard two dimensional stand up poster...except for be Dennis...t he says way way exception to rule...and pl see...Liz was a revalation ton to he nation and in my mind deserves a Trans pass....
Is queerness is also outdated
omg, i loved season 2 of acs 😳😳
Glee was the dumbest show
His shows suck
I realize that it was probably not your intention, but in describing the differences between seasons 1 & 2 of American Crime Story came off as homophonic + 🌈
@@FRADAVE02 how
Like @@TommyStubbs said, how!?❓
Is ur 🧠 in the room with us right now?