The biggest game changer for me that completely eliminated string slap and increased my accuracy drastically was to simply change how I was holding the bow in my hand. Instead of gripping it with my whole hand, I try to really just barely hold the bow with like one or two fingers. When I grip that way it was like I leveled up
I've been shooting for a year after not shooting for decades. I was hitting my arm when I first started, then switched up my grip and the problem went away. A year later it magically came back (barely grazing my arm) regardless of my grip. I'm going to give this a try.
Eureka! I realized that I was over-rotating my elbow to face downward, leaving my flexed forearm muscle right in the path of the string. My string slap is immediately gone, thank you!
New barebow archer here. I am still somehow confused about this topic... I don't have string clearance issues (no slaps) and my bow arm feels way more stable with the elbow pointing down (6 o clock instead of 9 o clock). Somehow, keeping it down helps keeping the front shoulder down and this got me tight groups. Any suggestions? Ps: this channel is amazing, thank you so much Jake!
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I always try to teach my junior students early on to do this. I can do the motion my self in all situation. BUT, every time I do this motion and if I shoot with my arm straight, my shoulder hurts. I solved the issue for my self with a more open stance. But if you have some tips for me I would be eternally grateful. It feels weird to teach my students one thing, when I can’t do it myself.
As for the elbow rotation I do it at the end of setup; if I don’t forget it and get that painful reminder from the string. That last remark on weak bow arm I think is my issue. Second evidence for that is that I can’t really keep my arm straight after release. It goes down very quick.
A very simple exercise can be lifting weights (can be as simple as a brick, but dumbbells will give a better grip) in both your arms. Hold your arm at 90 degree to your torso. and try to hold your arm in elbow rotation. Try to hold as long as possible. Hold your arms both in front and sides of your torso. Weights can be increased gradually. Practicing in front of a mirror can reveal if you have a hunched up shoulder, because the weight you are lifting is too much for you, or your muscles are tiring out.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 But there is one thing - GT is available in 29" version. G1 is not. Rubber parts are available for purchase separately. Rotating pockets gives limbs best and much wider working angle.
I used to get a lot of bow arm slap when I first started out, But since by grip and strength has increased its gone. My muscles seem to line my bow arm up bone to bone to my elbow then shoulder all in a straight line.
Question: does rotating your elbow back not allow for collapse in holding the lateral load? I put my elbow down and not only does it feel more structurally sound, but also helps to keep my shoulder low... rotating the elbow out feels like it leads to the shoulder to roll over, get tense and go high. Is there any use to rotating the elbow out other than string slap? (Not having that issue)
Hi, thanks for sharing this technique. I didn't understand one thing. During the wall exercise, should we keep the arm rotated, in the right position, or should we repeatedly return to the original (wrong) position and then rotate it again to the correct position? In short, are they repetitions or a sort of stretching?
What if the string hit my wrist instead? Is it technic problem or it it because the brace height is not high enough? It never happen with my small bow or any other bow that I had over the years, but with my 55# at 28, wich I draw to 32, it happens all the time and I end up putting ice on my wrist after each session.
I just got the answer at my question 4 days ago, bad technique my wrist was moving inward with the stronger bow lack of strenght, it's never the bow... always the guy...My wrist still husrt but now I will remenber my mistake for years lol.
I got my book delivered to Japan a while ago. It worked. Delayed. But worked. On a side note: any plan to make an electronic version ? Would love to have it on my phone with me.
Paweł Onisk sorry, forgot the details. I ordered early, was waiting and Jake mentioned in one of his videos about possible delay due to the “external condition” and eventually it came.
Just watching some form videos from experienced British archers, well, old archers that trained in the 1960's, 70's, 80's and 90's (like me) I've noticed that there are two main causes and these get passed on. Elbow rotation is usually very good, because it was hammered into us, so the string really clatters the central part of the forearm, but... 1) shadowing the string over the sight pin, this pushes the string closer to the forearm 2) very upright hand position on both a) the grip and b) the finger tab. a) this shifts the forearm closer to the string and b) twangs the string more because the second and especially the third digit are far from optimally placed, necessitating far greater rigidity in the hand. This causes much greater lateral movement in the string which increases string slap AND makes the bow less efficient and increases the spine you need for a given poundage. I've experimented with this, I am old school and had the very upright hand positions until I watched your videos Jake. No string slap anymore. Moving the hook from almost at the distal joints of the fingers significantly raised where the arrows impacted, made the bow quieter and meant I had to reduce my arrow spine by two increments (I shoot almost at the very tips of my fingers at about 3/16“ from the actual tip now). This is a common legacy of bad habits /outmoded techniques being passed on to younger archers by my generation. Take care, and many thanks.
What if I do have the optimal elbow position but I still hit my forearm slightly? I noticed that my groupings are better with slight string slap :/ (with optimal elbow position)
bow hand position also plays a role. the knuckles have to be turned out. Jake does a great job of describing the correct hand position in his form series.
I am slapping the crap out of my arm and I cannot seem to find a remedy. Would switching to a higher or lower grip help me reduce string contact with my arm?
Hi , I just wondered if this vital to good form. I don’t hit my elbow but my coach said I should rotate as this is correct. However since I have done this I have shoulder pain which I have never had before. Any ideas please.
Jake Kaminski thank you for replying, I have been working hard on my alignment but as I started rotating the elbow to achieve this I have had pain in my shoulder on the front of the muscle to the point that I have to support it when sitting, it stiffens and hurts whilst cycling and keeps me awake. I tested with a band and the pain only starts if I rotate the elbow, it I don’t but still push the shoulder round into alignment it doesn’t hurt.
Bro, as I'm trying to hold my hand in position and change my elbow position you said something about motor control, and my brain couldn't do it, so I had to hard reset my whole arm 😂😂😂
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The biggest game changer for me that completely eliminated string slap and increased my accuracy drastically was to simply change how I was holding the bow in my hand. Instead of gripping it with my whole hand, I try to really just barely hold the bow with like one or two fingers. When I grip that way it was like I leveled up
I've been shooting for a year after not shooting for decades. I was hitting my arm when I first started, then switched up my grip and the problem went away. A year later it magically came back (barely grazing my arm) regardless of my grip. I'm going to give this a try.
Eureka! I realized that I was over-rotating my elbow to face downward, leaving my flexed forearm muscle right in the path of the string. My string slap is immediately gone, thank you!
You saved me a lot of pain.I was get pain in my bow hand forearm, mussel or tendon. Rotated as you explained it, NO PAIN thank you.
I wish I knew this information 12 years ago! Thank you!
Who are disliking this kind of great information videos 🙄
New barebow archer here. I am still somehow confused about this topic... I don't have string clearance issues (no slaps) and my bow arm feels way more stable with the elbow pointing down (6 o clock instead of 9 o clock). Somehow, keeping it down helps keeping the front shoulder down and this got me tight groups.
Any suggestions?
Ps: this channel is amazing, thank you so much Jake!
I always try to teach my junior students early on to do this. I can do the motion my self in all situation. BUT, every time I do this motion and if I shoot with my arm straight, my shoulder hurts. I solved the issue for my self with a more open stance. But if you have some tips for me I would be eternally grateful. It feels weird to teach my students one thing, when I can’t do it myself.
Thank you Jake! This has been a problem for me for a long time, now I know how to fix this thanks to your great explanation.
Thank you so much! Just stumbled across this after getting a very bad elbow one today! Can’t wait to do this!
Great books, thank you
Good explanation. Answered my concern.
Thanks Jake, this was helpful
Thank you Jake for your clear explanation. 🏹
In almost all of your videos i learned something, this and your eye dominance video were very helpful. 👍🏹
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As for the elbow rotation I do it at the end of setup; if I don’t forget it and get that painful reminder from the string. That last remark on weak bow arm I think is my issue. Second evidence for that is that I can’t really keep my arm straight after release. It goes down very quick.
Love this Jake. Thanks
A very simple exercise can be lifting weights (can be as simple as a brick, but dumbbells will give a better grip) in both your arms. Hold your arm at 90 degree to your torso. and try to hold your arm in elbow rotation. Try to hold as long as possible. Hold your arms both in front and sides of your torso. Weights can be increased gradually. Practicing in front of a mirror can reveal if you have a hunched up shoulder, because the weight you are lifting is too much for you, or your muscles are tiring out.
The container one brick block. In the mud, yeah 😂
also you can just hold your bow arm out and hold your wrist with your other arm and practice like that, works the same as the wall
Video starts @1:40
Instant game changer!
That's a good one, to physically rotate your arm with hand on wall to feel which muscles work things. Excellent.
I'm very curious what you have in that fancy Gillo box. If it is GT riser, please do a review. I love mine, curious what you think about it.
I'm interested in the box, to.
@@yevgeniikisarauskas5085 But there is one thing - GT is available in 29" version. G1 is not. Rubber parts are available for purchase separately. Rotating pockets gives limbs best and much wider working angle.
Nice lesson
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I used to get a lot of bow arm slap when I first started out, But since by grip and strength has increased its gone. My muscles seem to line my bow arm up bone to bone to my elbow then shoulder all in a straight line.
wow its impossible to rotate my elbow without moving my hand... thanks for the help.
should i do reps or just hold that position?
Question: does rotating your elbow back not allow for collapse in holding the lateral load? I put my elbow down and not only does it feel more structurally sound, but also helps to keep my shoulder low... rotating the elbow out feels like it leads to the shoulder to roll over, get tense and go high. Is there any use to rotating the elbow out other than string slap? (Not having that issue)
Yes, to make the structure stronger. I find it engages the triceps and other muscles to keep the shoulder down and maintain control.
Hi, thanks for sharing this technique. I didn't understand one thing. During the wall exercise, should we keep the arm rotated, in the right position, or should we repeatedly return to the original (wrong) position and then rotate it again to the correct position? In short, are they repetitions or a sort of stretching?
hey! Kaminski!
Whichever you feel helps most
What if the string hit my wrist instead? Is it technic problem or it it because the brace height is not high enough? It never happen with my small bow or any other bow that I had over the years, but with my 55# at 28, wich I draw to 32, it happens all the time and I end up putting ice on my wrist after each session.
It's ok judge agreed to 245 million minus 3 😁😭
I just got the answer at my question 4 days ago, bad technique my wrist was moving inward with the stronger bow lack of strenght, it's never the bow... always the guy...My wrist still husrt but now I will remenber my mistake for years lol.
I got my book delivered to Japan a while ago. It worked. Delayed. But worked. On a side note: any plan to make an electronic version ? Would love to have it on my phone with me.
Yes there is plans
How long did the delivery take?
Paweł Onisk sorry, forgot the details. I ordered early, was waiting and Jake mentioned in one of his videos about possible delay due to the “external condition” and eventually it came.
Just watching some form videos from experienced British archers, well, old archers that trained in the 1960's, 70's, 80's and 90's (like me) I've noticed that there are two main causes and these get passed on. Elbow rotation is usually very good, because it was hammered into us, so the string really clatters the central part of the forearm, but...
1) shadowing the string over the sight pin, this pushes the string closer to the forearm
2) very upright hand position on both a) the grip and b) the finger tab.
a) this shifts the forearm closer to the string and
b) twangs the string more because the second and especially the third digit are far from optimally placed, necessitating far greater rigidity in the hand. This causes much greater lateral movement in the string which increases string slap AND makes the bow less efficient and increases the spine you need for a given poundage. I've experimented with this, I am old school and had the very upright hand positions until I watched your videos Jake. No string slap anymore. Moving the hook from almost at the distal joints of the fingers significantly raised where the arrows impacted, made the bow quieter and meant I had to reduce my arrow spine by two increments (I shoot almost at the very tips of my fingers at about 3/16“ from the actual tip now). This is a common legacy of bad habits /outmoded techniques being passed on to younger archers by my generation.
Take care, and many thanks.
Sir please one more video on bow hand shaking . My hands strong but shaking during aiming. Please reply sir
Thank you so much :)
I can do it barehand with wall but not with my bow. How to train the rotation with bow?
Is it possible to buy a digital copy of the book ??
What if I do have the optimal elbow position but I still hit my forearm slightly?
I noticed that my groupings are better with slight string slap :/ (with optimal elbow position)
bow hand position also plays a role. the knuckles have to be turned out. Jake does a great job of describing the correct hand position in his form series.
I am slapping the crap out of my arm and I cannot seem to find a remedy. Would switching to a higher or lower grip help me reduce string contact with my arm?
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Hi , I just wondered if this vital to good form. I don’t hit my elbow but my coach said I should rotate as this is correct. However since I have done this I have shoulder pain which I have never had before. Any ideas please.
Define pain, it may just be soreness from using new muscles.
Jake Kaminski thank you for replying, I have been working hard on my alignment but as I started rotating the elbow to achieve this I have had pain in my shoulder on the front of the muscle to the point that I have to support it when sitting, it stiffens and hurts whilst cycling and keeps me awake. I tested with a band and the pain only starts if I rotate the elbow, it I don’t but still push the shoulder round into alignment it doesn’t hurt.
Bro, as I'm trying to hold my hand in position and change my elbow position you said something about motor control, and my brain couldn't do it, so I had to hard reset my whole arm 😂😂😂
I used your Amazon link to buy total archery but it's still not sent for france..:/
Sorry to hear that. We ship to France from sales on our website, If you are still looking for one after canceling your amazon order?
@@JakeKaminskiArchery international shipping is much more expensive if I order from your site but I want to buy total archery + your tow books
Do I have to pay international shipping x3 or Its one for the 3 books?
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A perfect example of this is Naomi Folkard, when she is at full draw she will then deliberately twists her arm.
Its same in compound style?
When I occasionally shoot a compound I do it the same way. No issues of string slap with either recurve or compound for me.
Yes
Why i found this video now 😔,why not 1 mount ago
Welp, already shoot an email on Monday, still waiting for response :(
My wife goes through the emails once a week at minimum, please be patient. We are reaching out to the post office and trying to figure out delays on the orders that have contacted us.