@kitsune7919 I don't get this problem at all. Soldered memory can up the perfomance and it's what consoles have been using since forever. The cases of ram failures are pretty rare, 32 gb are alot, it will be enough for the next 6-8 years at least and it's becoming the standard for new builds. A 64 gb option would be cool for those who need it for professional use, but I don't see all this need of upgradability and repairability.
@pedgarage You know, camm RAM exists, which completely contradicts that argument, specially knowing that camm RAM doesn't hurt performance at all, upgradeability and repaireability are ALWAYS IMPORTANT
Just saw a leak from China that states the next gen Halo APU will use AMD's 3D stacking. So basically we will be getting an x3d chip with a graphics card on it.
@@davefroman4700 they primarily should be soldered to motherboards, first high end laptops, later maybe fancy nuc like desktops and maybe standalone mini itx or mini atx form factor, hopefully the motherboards will have good io ports selection and expansion slots, better would be if they would be available as am5 capable standalone processors though so you can finetune the pc to your needs
ikr, it really doesn't make any sense. It's all the inconveniences of a mini PC with none of the benefits. Why would I want to stick this in a comptuer case? I'm better off simply getting a Ryzen 8700G and getting actual upgradeability.
I had one like this and had it pulling air in from the top because the GPU was hot and pulling air off the top of a hot GPU caused CPU temps to rise. I even mounted the fan right to the case to have it blow directly on the CPU cooler and dropped temps a bit.
These small systems always get the memory wrong. With an APU you really need to be running memory that is as fast as possible to increase the iGPU performance and DDR5 5200 doesn't cut it.
This is neat, but for $480 USD, I can get a better CPU and MATX/ITX motherboard. I'm not seeing the upside here. EDIT: I meant GAMING CPU...I also have access to a Microcenter that offers amazing CPU, motherboard, and RAM bundles. Most people don't so I must add this as a disclaimer to reflect that.
You can get the BD790i for $399. ITX version of this There is NO CPU/MB/Cooler combo w/ similar specs that can offer anywhere near the performance for the price.
The BD790i SE has the 7940HX (and it's $360 now). This mobo has wifi built in, 120W "turbo" power limit (vs 100W on the BD790i SE), and most importantly it uses standard LGA 1700 CPU cooler mounting. That's probably worth the extra $120 to some people, although I wish it was ITX.
@@vinyfiny it does not have wifi but has a wifi card slot. My SE board with pbo turned up and curve op set to -10, I can pas the geekbench multi score with 17345 while running @65c with a noctua redux 120mm fan @65% fan speed. Although, running the cb r23 using 14 threads at 5.45ghz it did get up to 87c on that tiny cooler.
@@Karakofirespartan I know, I have the BD790I SE in my work PC. I added a 6e wifi card for $25, I was just pointing out that that's money you don't need to spend on the BD795M. I have mine at a -30mV offset and it's been rock solid for 3 months. I haven't run any intensive benchmarks, but my temps at 100W load while working only hit about 74° with an Arctic P12 Max on the default fan curve. I'll probably switch to a Noctua NF-A12x15 for less noise. Might raise max temps 8-10° but mid 80's is fine on a mobile chip.
@@xblackdemonx3183 It's probably just about doing what that particular CPU needs... In return you get a 16c/32t CPU that draws only 55-75w @ 5.4Ghz., much less than socketed CPUs.
@@xblackdemonx3183 I think the advantage is just that it's cheaper. To me it seems like there must be a bunch of 7945HX chips laying around, and they're trying to liquidate them by putting them in motherboards and selling them for less than the price of a 7950X. Because essentially a 7945HX is literally a 7950X, just with a lower TDP configured.
wow this is amazing imagine a small build with dedicated GPU and you can carry your powerful PC every where all we need is screen attactched to the case you have complete unit
@@Atom224 It comes with a 16-core Zen4 CPU soldered onto the motherboard. It has a very low power consumption when idle so it is perfect for a home server. I think the price is ok.
@@Atom224 considering the fact that a decent mobo and the ryzen 9 7950x would come out to around $700-800USD its a great deal if you wanna stay in or around the $1000 range with an absurdly good cpu for the price
@@HardWhereHero Not in a hurry at all as I was eying the Ryzen 7000 series CPUs for a while and was waiting for 9000 to launch so I get a very nice discount. I should have mentioned that I do dev work and need containers and VMs running simultaneously.
@@laxminarayananks1520 I sadly do more than gaming with my machines, if you game only you can get by with a 6 core as min. But if you do any serious work you're going to notice the lack of power very fast.
Interesting product. Strix halo version and I'm a customer no question. Glad to see products like this coming out from Minis Forum, there is a lot of exciting things developing from AMD on the mobile side.
This looks awesome. I wanted to get the ITX version before but it didn't have SATA and I didn't want to switch everything to m.2. I will definitely get this in the future.
The 14700 he compared it to is about $400 so it feels like the pricing is about right as long as the value isn't hurt by the notebook memory costs. I would have loved to see more CPU comparisons though to be sure.
oh yes indeed with a vm, with passthrough gpu would work out great. I could see this as a great SFF proxmox build. i you weren't fussed about the GPU you could add an HBA in the x16 slot for a great NAS/Server build. although it would be network limited by the 2.5g lan
I feel like something was wrong with that CPU cooler combo, either it wasn't on the CPU where it needed to be or the fan curves were not right for this setup. That massive cooler should've been around 10-15C cooler. I have the PA 120 SE RGB version on a 5800X, and never hit 75C unless I'm running a stress test. CPU heavy games get to maybe 45-60C, however, my fan orientation is optimal for exiting the case. 🤔
I prefer the older one because it had its own heatsink and all i have to do is put the fan on, unfortunetely it was detective the battery for bios.. and now it seems mini forums is selling these only
Not sure what the point of this matx version is (vs the itx). It seems to just be the same components as the Bd795i spread out a bit over the larger matx footprint - no full sized DIMM slots and no 2nd pcie slot
the lack of pcb traces and components on the board is abit off-putting for me from a visual perspective, but hey if it makes the mobo cheaper sure why not
Would be cool if you could show the impact with the upcoming 50 series cards from Nvidia. I'd like to know if there is going to be a huge performance drop, and perhaps even a comparison with one of their 5.0 PCIe motherboards. Thank you! I knew ETA PRIME meant business when he pulled out that big cooler. HELL YEAH BROTHA! Thanks for reviewing the BD795M, I'm really interested in one of their motherboards from Minisforum myself, but they get sooooo little coverage. Which is sad, because getting 16 full cores with a motherboard at that price is a steal.
I wonder how much the low ram speeds would bottleneck a beefy gpu while running at 4K? Also theyre not vertical so you cant attempt to use heatsinks on both of them
Could be much more interesting with Ryzen AI max 385 (8c/16t CPU, 8050S 32CU iGPU). Also needs faster memory support: 8000+ MT/s (CU) dimms to feed that iGPU. It is listed as 55w TDP CPU, but i presume it should be possible to uncap power limit to some degree so that neither CPU nor iGPU are starved. Now THAT is a product i can get behind.
I was wondering would using just one of the two cooler fans not be enought for a 100W cpu? Puttingb the one in between can save quite a bit of motherboard/case manupilaiton space
In my humble opinion the era of hungry power cpu and gpu, and brute force is over! Exept encoding video, witch i never done, my super micro computer GMKtec 5 mini PC witch cost me 150 eur done everything, even i can play like Elders Scrolls Skyrim from 2016 in good video condition. This combo in video loocks like promising but at 480$ a little expensive. But an Apu with 100W power is very OK!
Strange that this board has so much space, especially when compared to an ITX board, but still they insist on SODIMMs instead of faster UDIMMs, especially when the iGPU benefits greatly from faster RAM. Why did they stick with this memory form factor?
Yeh know what, thats what always minisforum do, like they actually have the option to make perfect goods but they decided to stop at 90% completion just to make incomplete product 😅 its almost like they deliberatly make it imperfect. Seriously why??? Its already been the case since ms01. Should been perfect if they make the pcie x16 and make the casing more higher so it fit 2 slot gpu. Same with this, with all that space, not only they didnt include usb c, they also of all option they have and the space, they choose sodimm 😅😅😅😅 Dafuq y doing minis😅😅😅😅
@@SutraBlue Yep it definitely seems this way. They always miss the mark with stuff like this by not including features that would make this a killer product and worth the money. Instead they have some kind of restriction that means it won't be worth the money or that you can do your own thing for less money and have it be faster. The mini PC's are their own form factor; but this is larger and as such it should have thunderbolt or proper dimms or 2x PCI-E... something that makes it worth it over just getting an ITX AM5 board and a fast CPU.
Super glad yew took a look at this, I’ve been interested in these for a while. Could you run it at 120w with a stronger gpu?! I want to see how this runs 4K ultra CP2077, I’d probably use a 7900xtx or xt and water cool the cpu.
Just saw a leak from China that states the next gen Halo APU will use AMD's 3D stacking. So basically we will be getting an x3d chip with a graphics card on it. They said the exact architecture would be revealed mid 2025, So I imagine it will be in the stores as a desktop by summer 2026
Not bad for the price which is still better value than buying a AM5 board with a 7800/9800X. However the lack of storage ports (only 2 SATA 2 M.2), the placements of where the M.2s are located, there is a lot of unused real estate on the PCB, and the need to use laptop RAM instead of Desktop just screams "why this". Also the RAM speed limitation could mean they are using ES chips (a common trait for locked RAM speeds). For those not in the know their are boards that are coming out from China with the same concept with both Intel 11th-14th Gen laptop CPUs, and now there are AMD versions too. The AMD version though are ITX, use desktop RAM (though locked at 5600 speed), have 4 SATA (and 2 M.2), and come with Ryzen 9 7940HS ES (with 780M iGPUs). Plus are sold at under $280 US (most at 250). Some can be fitted with a LGA 1700 cooler, but some can have a proper AM4/5 cooler attached. They should have stuck to ITX, or added more features like more M.2 ports, or at least place them away from the GPU.
I don't want to be rude but I'm just not seeing the reason for this to exist next to Minisforum's own mini-ITX boards. It seems like you're getting the exact same thing just in a different, larger form factor. You get an E-key slot, sure, but also way less out-of-the-box functionality than other micro-ATX boards. It just doesn't hold up to the same scrutiny in this form factor.
These only make sense if they can give better value than what's on the market, like the Intel Erying mobos were doing. If pricing is high people are not going to buy. Reminds me of the 4700/4800S motherboards that were around a while back that were way too expensive and had too many limitations to be worth buying.
@@promarebs3895 Awesome thanks so much! I did check out their website and have now seen the one you mean. It even comes with a handy heatsink, perfect for a PS1 gaming PC >:D
@@Jimster481 It's more that I am interested in the power usage ofr the mobile chip on desktop, since it'll be in an old PS1 chasis I don't want it to be too hot but also want it to be as effcient power usage as it can be. That said I do like the idea of an X3D cpu in the system, I just want to try and keep the overall power budget under about 250W total system power.
I'm not sure if it's not worth it, this thing is almost the same price as a whole 7950x (or atleast as much as a 7950x cost a few months ago?), and go even lower with sales
@@vinyfiny, they have two mini ITX Board as well. Regarding your question, they're using standard form factors for better compatibility with off the shelves components like PSU, case, cooler. The reason for this m-ATX Design is for providing the extra sata ports and ability to add your own cooler.
@ ITX boards are compatible with all cases and PSU's m-ATX boards are, but I didn't realize it had extra SATA ports. I'd like to think Minisforum could make stock cooler mounting work on their ITX boards since regular ITX boards obviously have stock cooler mounting and some have A LOT more going on. I bet if they would have put the second M.2 slot on the rear (like the vast majority of ITX boards with 2 M.2 slots do), they could've used standard cooler mounting.
@Terran.Marine.2 I even left a second attempt of a response on my own comment and it wouldn't post. All I tried to say is order direct from Amazon, not through minisforum website. I'm still waiting on my PC from December
I can't remember the last time he reviewed a motherborad.
I have a chair: king of the castle, king of the castle
well, this can be considered a mini pc / barebone if you add RAM..
At least it’s not another 780m chip review. It seems like every week he does another $500 mini pc with 780m graphics.
Bill does not pay itself is it?@@bleeb1347
He reviewed mother Borat.
now this with the Halo chips would be worth buying
Ye 🔥
But then the memory would have to be soldered in.
@kitsune7919 sure but if they put 32 or 64 GB it wouldn’t need upgrading
@kitsune7919 I don't get this problem at all.
Soldered memory can up the perfomance and it's what consoles have been using since forever.
The cases of ram failures are pretty rare, 32 gb are alot, it will be enough for the next 6-8 years at least and it's becoming the standard for new builds. A 64 gb option would be cool for those who need it for professional use, but I don't see all this need of upgradability and repairability.
@pedgarage You know, camm RAM exists, which completely contradicts that argument, specially knowing that camm RAM doesn't hurt performance at all, upgradeability and repaireability are ALWAYS IMPORTANT
These need to come with the new halo APUs
amen,
Just saw a leak from China that states the next gen Halo APU will use AMD's 3D stacking. So basically we will be getting an x3d chip with a graphics card on it.
@@davefroman4700 they primarily should be soldered to motherboards, first high end laptops, later maybe fancy nuc like desktops and maybe standalone mini itx or mini atx form factor, hopefully the motherboards will have good io ports selection and expansion slots, better would be if they would be available as am5 capable standalone processors though so you can finetune the pc to your needs
yes yes yes
With ECC memory.
$500 for the same CPU you can buy in a $400 complete mini pc. What a deal…
ikr, it really doesn't make any sense. It's all the inconveniences of a mini PC with none of the benefits. Why would I want to stick this in a comptuer case? I'm better off simply getting a Ryzen 8700G and getting actual upgradeability.
when was the last time you could stick a x16 graphics card in a mini pc?
you dont have a pcie x16 slot in the mini pc though. This is for DIY builders
@@nielsdebakker3283 why would you even want to do that? completely defeats the purpose of a mini PC.
@@kimutone2970 this destroys the 8700g
I had one like this and had it pulling air in from the top because the GPU was hot and pulling air off the top of a hot GPU caused CPU temps to rise. I even mounted the fan right to the case to have it blow directly on the CPU cooler and dropped temps a bit.
These small systems always get the memory wrong. With an APU you really need to be running memory that is as fast as possible to increase the iGPU performance and DDR5 5200 doesn't cut it.
whats the x16 pcie slot for a gpu could never
Nah, this is only a Radeon 610m, no need to really use this for gaming or 3D Applications. So the 5200 is fine really.
running the memory faster than the controller actually makes it slower. there's articles that explain.
Love these weird combo boards, That build looks really solid too been all black and mostly vertical!
This is neat, but for $480 USD, I can get a better CPU and MATX/ITX motherboard. I'm not seeing the upside here.
EDIT: I meant GAMING CPU...I also have access to a Microcenter that offers amazing CPU, motherboard, and RAM bundles. Most people don't so I must add this as a disclaimer to reflect that.
Laptop chips are more power-efficient afaik
You can get the BD790i for $399. ITX version of this
There is NO CPU/MB/Cooler combo w/ similar specs that can offer anywhere near the performance for the price.
You get the iGPU, which is quite capable.
@@leonmezu The 610M is pretty basic.
$389 USD
This CPU looks amazing for a home (or small office) server that requires decent processor with good threading. Definitely handles some good workloads
2:17, did you read your notification?
The bd790i se is still the better option. For 330 usd, you get a ryzen 9 7940 hx with built in heatsink
The BD790i SE has the 7940HX (and it's $360 now). This mobo has wifi built in, 120W "turbo" power limit (vs 100W on the BD790i SE), and most importantly it uses standard LGA 1700 CPU cooler mounting. That's probably worth the extra $120 to some people, although I wish it was ITX.
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Agreed, this M-ATX missed the mark by not having 2 PCI-E slots. This is just the BD790i on a bigger mobo for more $$$ and no additional benefits
@@vinyfiny it does not have wifi but has a wifi card slot. My SE board with pbo turned up and curve op set to -10, I can pas the geekbench multi score with 17345 while running @65c with a noctua redux 120mm fan @65% fan speed. Although, running the cb r23 using 14 threads at 5.45ghz it did get up to 87c on that tiny cooler.
@@Karakofirespartan I know, I have the BD790I SE in my work PC. I added a 6e wifi card for $25, I was just pointing out that that's money you don't need to spend on the BD795M.
I have mine at a -30mV offset and it's been rock solid for 3 months. I haven't run any intensive benchmarks, but my temps at 100W load while working only hit about 74° with an Arctic P12 Max on the default fan curve. I'll probably switch to a Noctua NF-A12x15 for less noise. Might raise max temps 8-10° but mid 80's is fine on a mobile chip.
The peerless assassin is probably the best air cooler on the market.
True, It absolutely shafted the Hyper 212 away from the market.
I really like those power phase radiators. you can tell by their looks they do their job well
I'm waiting for the halo version desktop CPU like 8700G, may be named 9700G? It would installed in a mini pc case like deskmini/deskmeet X600.
I hope Minisforum will put a HX 370 or HX 385 on it.
I see this board very slick fitting in an AP201 case with a 240 or 360 aio cooler from thermalright (around 50 bucks)
thats a nice little build
I don't get the advantage of a soldered CPU if it's the same size as a regular mini-itx motherboard
@@xblackdemonx3183 only if it was the same competition. It was not, minis decided to lose themself but usiing sodim and no include usb c 😅
@@xblackdemonx3183 It's probably just about doing what that particular CPU needs... In return you get a 16c/32t CPU that draws only 55-75w @ 5.4Ghz., much less than socketed CPUs.
@@xblackdemonx3183 I think the advantage is just that it's cheaper. To me it seems like there must be a bunch of 7945HX chips laying around, and they're trying to liquidate them by putting them in motherboards and selling them for less than the price of a 7950X. Because essentially a 7945HX is literally a 7950X, just with a lower TDP configured.
73 degrés 😮
I saw after posting that the pins required for this CPU was in excess of the AM5 socket
Amazing work ETA!! Please try RPCS3 & other demanding Emulators on this setup.
We want the same LGA 1700 mounting holes on BD790i ! Would be amazing to watercool these mobile cpu's!
So this is slightly bigger than the MINISFORUM BD795i SE and with 4th gen PCIE? And this one is more expensive with no cooler?
wow this is amazing imagine a small build with dedicated GPU and you can carry your powerful PC every where all we need is screen attactched to the case you have complete unit
Just when I am thinking about buying this motherboard, this video drops. Thanks!
Ain't it kinda overpriced tho?
@@Atom224 It comes with a 16-core Zen4 CPU soldered onto the motherboard. It has a very low power consumption when idle so it is perfect for a home server. I think the price is ok.
@@Atom224 considering the fact that a decent mobo and the ryzen 9 7950x would come out to around $700-800USD its a great deal if you wanna stay in or around the $1000 range with an absurdly good cpu for the price
Minisform is getting bigger and bigger each day. They should enter the indian market :| we need mini pcs (asus one is not so good)
8 cores is becoming the new 4 cores, makes me keen on upgrading from my 8 core Ryzen very soon.
Don't be in any hurry. I don't see much difference from my old Ryzen 2600 to a core i9 12900k, just more power and more heat.
Nah, no way. Just finished playing Silent Hill 2 Remake and Re4 Remake on i3-10100F (4c/8t) and the cpu pulls equally like my other machine (R5-5600).
8 cores are pretty solid if your CPU has enough IPC, memory bandwidth and Clock speed
@@HardWhereHero Not in a hurry at all as I was eying the Ryzen 7000 series CPUs for a while and was waiting for 9000 to launch so I get a very nice discount. I should have mentioned that I do dev work and need containers and VMs running simultaneously.
@@laxminarayananks1520 I sadly do more than gaming with my machines, if you game only you can get by with a 6 core as min. But if you do any serious work you're going to notice the lack of power very fast.
Damn.. i might just buy that motherborad..
Interesting product. Strix halo version and I'm a customer no question. Glad to see products like this coming out from Minis Forum, there is a lot of exciting things developing from AMD on the mobile side.
M-ATX without a secondary PCIe slot near the same price of their ITX offering is just bafoonery
mobile cpu vs pcie lanes....
This looks awesome. I wanted to get the ITX version before but it didn't have SATA and I didn't want to switch everything to m.2. I will definitely get this in the future.
Would love to see this in an ITX form-factor
if it was $399 i'd consider that a steal but 479 .... for a desktop format kinda can get most of what it is with conventional parts
opportunity not to seen stupidly ugly and tall amd am5 heat distribution cover - just priceless...
The 14700 he compared it to is about $400 so it feels like the pricing is about right as long as the value isn't hurt by the notebook memory costs. I would have loved to see more CPU comparisons though to be sure.
It's $389. If you add it to your cart a $90 coupon is applied.
@@jameskramer3461this is what is should be IMO because the msrp is already close to building your own board/cpu/ram if you get a decent bundle.
Looks nice, wouold this be a great system to make a mini proxmox server?
oh yes indeed with a vm, with passthrough gpu would work out great. I could see this as a great SFF proxmox build. i you weren't fussed about the GPU you could add an HBA in the x16 slot for a great NAS/Server build. although it would be network limited by the 2.5g lan
@@murlock666 Get me a right angle adapter and I am wondering if you could put this in a 1U case.
I feel like something was wrong with that CPU cooler combo, either it wasn't on the CPU where it needed to be or the fan curves were not right for this setup. That massive cooler should've been around 10-15C cooler. I have the PA 120 SE RGB version on a 5800X, and never hit 75C unless I'm running a stress test. CPU heavy games get to maybe 45-60C, however, my fan orientation is optimal for exiting the case. 🤔
Wish u would have shown performance on the igpu of that board without the b580
I prefer the older one because it had its own heatsink and all i have to do is put the fan on, unfortunetely it was detective the battery for bios.. and now it seems mini forums is selling these only
Who is this really for? Why would someone choose to build a gaming computer with a Mobile CPU, vs going for an AM5 build?
Meh, if you're GPU limited anyway, it doesn't really matter.
I would even pick AM4 for that price.
LAN party mobile PC maybe.
I'd never pick this for gaming.
However, for a homelab server running TrueNas or ProxMox.... 🤔
@@Patrick-y4d1z in that case there0s the ryzen 8700G, which has a decent Radeon 780M and is socketed on AM5, meaning it's actually upgradeable.
Not sure what the point of this matx version is (vs the itx). It seems to just be the same components as the Bd795i spread out a bit over the larger matx footprint - no full sized DIMM slots and no 2nd pcie slot
the lack of pcb traces and components on the board is abit off-putting for me from a visual perspective, but hey if it makes the mobo cheaper sure why not
Interesting. However just like other people here said, waiting for the one with Stx Halo version.
Would be cool if you could show the impact with the upcoming 50 series cards from Nvidia. I'd like to know if there is going to be a huge performance drop, and perhaps even a comparison with one of their 5.0 PCIe motherboards. Thank you!
I knew ETA PRIME meant business when he pulled out that big cooler. HELL YEAH BROTHA!
Thanks for reviewing the BD795M, I'm really interested in one of their motherboards from Minisforum myself, but they get sooooo little coverage. Which is sad, because getting 16 full cores with a motherboard at that price is a steal.
👍Thank you
I think you might have forgotten the product link (though I’m on mobile, and in the bath, so might have missed it).
Nah he forgot
no he did
dorks and children really have a hard time simply searching BD795M
I just got the board 2 days ago and built my new pc ! You think you can do a vidéo about the bios setting and overcloking test ?
Why would you buy something like this?
I'm afraid to the poor vrm dissipation... Is it enough? Have they implemented resize bar?
I wonder how much the low ram speeds would bottleneck a beefy gpu while running at 4K? Also theyre not vertical so you cant attempt to use heatsinks on both of them
You forgot the motherboard links in the description.
should be an ITX ?
I need something like that with two PCI-E slots
I'd like to see emulation without a gpu with this setup
Could be much more interesting with Ryzen AI max 385 (8c/16t CPU, 8050S 32CU iGPU). Also needs faster memory support: 8000+ MT/s (CU) dimms to feed that iGPU. It is listed as 55w TDP CPU, but i presume it should be possible to uncap power limit to some degree so that neither CPU nor iGPU are starved.
Now THAT is a product i can get behind.
Curious how that set up would work as a plex server but moved to passive cooling.
I would love to know how this set up the way you have it would do with PS3 emulation.
That would make a fantastic NAs
I was wondering would using just one of the two cooler fans not be enought for a 100W cpu? Puttingb the one in between can save quite a bit of motherboard/case manupilaiton space
Its a little disappointing that its MATX but only one PCIE slot (natively)
Realy looking forward to the AMD Al Max+ 395 Modt mobo from MInis Forum .
I doubt they will come out with one. Too expensive. $1000+
We will see an ITX 9955HX however, based on the newer 9950X.
minisforum going full alliexpress hahaha love it
why is the audio so choppy ? usely its so chrisp and clean great video btw
Feature wise Looks like baby brother of bd790i ==> naming nomenclature a wee bit off eh 🙂🙂
Why they not using Desktop memory like TopPC
mobile cpus doesn't support desktop rams
@@johnpp21 They absolutely can, the entire BIOS is custom here
@ goodluck finding an oem doing that
so what is the total system power draw from the wall while playing cyberpunk 2077 ?
Hi!
I'm unsure, what's the main difference between buying the BD790i versus the BD795m?
Greetings and thank you in advance!
In my humble opinion the era of hungry power cpu and gpu, and brute force is over! Exept encoding video, witch i never done, my super micro computer GMKtec 5 mini PC witch cost me 150 eur done everything, even i can play like Elders Scrolls Skyrim from 2016 in good video condition. This combo in video loocks like promising but at 480$ a little expensive. But an Apu with 100W power is very OK!
finding it hard to find out, but i assume this motherboard supports resizable bar?
More SATA could have made it a perfect DIY NAS board
Seems like an overpowered CPU for running a NAS
@@jamieking3124 it depends on what you do with your NAS. ZFS, VMs, Plex with transcoding, docker... They love threads and I/O ;)
Strange that this board has so much space, especially when compared to an ITX board, but still they insist on SODIMMs instead of faster UDIMMs, especially when the iGPU benefits greatly from faster RAM. Why did they stick with this memory form factor?
The iGPU on this isnt the gaming on type. It has only 2 CU's.
@@MrMackievelli Fair enough. Though it seems that even on Minisforum devices that have or can have higher end iGPUs like the MS-A1 have SODIMM slots.
Yeh know what, thats what always minisforum do, like they actually have the option to make perfect goods but they decided to stop at 90% completion just to make incomplete product 😅 its almost like they deliberatly make it imperfect. Seriously why???
Its already been the case since ms01. Should been perfect if they make the pcie x16 and make the casing more higher so it fit 2 slot gpu.
Same with this, with all that space, not only they didnt include usb c, they also of all option they have and the space, they choose sodimm 😅😅😅😅
Dafuq y doing minis😅😅😅😅
@@SutraBlue Yep it definitely seems this way. They always miss the mark with stuff like this by not including features that would make this a killer product and worth the money. Instead they have some kind of restriction that means it won't be worth the money or that you can do your own thing for less money and have it be faster.
The mini PC's are their own form factor; but this is larger and as such it should have thunderbolt or proper dimms or 2x PCI-E... something that makes it worth it over just getting an ITX AM5 board and a fast CPU.
@@Jimster481 exactly.
Minisforum now the same in Mini ITX please!
Enen, ITX is a much better form factor for these mobile CPUs. It would be an effective NAS or server then.
They do have a mini itx option, It’s been out for almost a year now.
@usr01 the mini itx board that they had had no SATA Ports
They have it, infact they had it before this one.
Super glad yew took a look at this, I’ve been interested in these for a while. Could you run it at 120w with a stronger gpu?! I want to see how this runs 4K ultra CP2077, I’d probably use a 7900xtx or xt and water cool the cpu.
Sweet. LGA 1700.
Just saw a leak from China that states the next gen Halo APU will use AMD's 3D stacking. So basically we will be getting an x3d chip with a graphics card on it. They said the exact architecture would be revealed mid 2025, So I imagine it will be in the stores as a desktop by summer 2026
would be ready to bet not long before or after GTA 6 PC release
Wonder how long until someone solders an even faster CPU onto it.
Not bad for the price which is still better value than buying a AM5 board with a 7800/9800X. However the lack of storage ports (only 2 SATA 2 M.2), the placements of where the M.2s are located, there is a lot of unused real estate on the PCB, and the need to use laptop RAM instead of Desktop just screams "why this". Also the RAM speed limitation could mean they are using ES chips (a common trait for locked RAM speeds).
For those not in the know their are boards that are coming out from China with the same concept with both Intel 11th-14th Gen laptop CPUs, and now there are AMD versions too. The AMD version though are ITX, use desktop RAM (though locked at 5600 speed), have 4 SATA (and 2 M.2), and come with Ryzen 9 7940HS ES (with 780M iGPUs). Plus are sold at under $280 US (most at 250). Some can be fitted with a LGA 1700 cooler, but some can have a proper AM4/5 cooler attached. They should have stuck to ITX, or added more features like more M.2 ports, or at least place them away from the GPU.
I don't want to be rude but I'm just not seeing the reason for this to exist next to Minisforum's own mini-ITX boards. It seems like you're getting the exact same thing just in a different, larger form factor. You get an E-key slot, sure, but also way less out-of-the-box functionality than other micro-ATX boards. It just doesn't hold up to the same scrutiny in this form factor.
What a great MotherBorad
I have to ask, how's the overclocking on this? If this is reused/repurposed parts then the real wonder is how much can it be real good?
this is a $500 motherboard without the ram. The b580 is $399 USD. Wow. Just wow.
These only make sense if they can give better value than what's on the market, like the Intel Erying mobos were doing. If pricing is high people are not going to buy. Reminds me of the 4700/4800S motherboards that were around a while back that were way too expensive and had too many limitations to be worth buying.
there is a weird beeping sound when you talk
Can it be paired with a 4080 super, will it be a good pair or will the cpu be a bottleneck?
Their asking prices for these things is odd, more than just buying a complete mini gaming PC alone.
Wish it had more SATA ports though.
how about Cinebench results in there?\
Omfg do they do an ITX version?? I am putting together a converted console build and this kind of thing would be ideal if I can get an ITX one o.o
No they won't do anything itx version of this specifically but they already have an itx motherboard with the same 7945hx
@@promarebs3895 Awesome thanks so much! I did check out their website and have now seen the one you mean. It even comes with a handy heatsink, perfect for a PS1 gaming PC >:D
They do have a 7945HX on an ITX board. But again you could just buy a 7950x or a 7900x3D and put it on a ITX board for around the same price.
@@Jimster481 It's more that I am interested in the power usage ofr the mobile chip on desktop, since it'll be in an old PS1 chasis I don't want it to be too hot but also want it to be as effcient power usage as it can be.
That said I do like the idea of an X3D cpu in the system, I just want to try and keep the overall power budget under about 250W total system power.
The bad thing is your locked into only one gen, one cpu, no changing unless you buy a new board. It's not worth it really.
I'm not sure if it's not worth it, this thing is almost the same price as a whole 7950x (or atleast as much as a 7950x cost a few months ago?), and go even lower with sales
That motherborad is cool
Links to windows keys, but no link to this board? 😅
does a ryzen stock cooler work on thins board?
pretty cool for micro atx
Linux gaming please! I'm thinking about buying this motherboard
No USB-C DP Alt mode is taking the piss.
What a weird frankenstein of a motherboard. Mobile AMD cpu, intel mounting holes 🕳️
Those temps 💀
I feel like it could be smaller.
Yeah I'm not sure why it's M-ATX.
@@vinyfiny, they have two mini ITX Board as well. Regarding your question, they're using standard form factors for better compatibility with off the shelves components like PSU, case, cooler. The reason for this m-ATX Design is for providing the extra sata ports and ability to add your own cooler.
@ ITX boards are compatible with all cases and PSU's m-ATX boards are, but I didn't realize it had extra SATA ports.
I'd like to think Minisforum could make stock cooler mounting work on their ITX boards since regular ITX boards obviously have stock cooler mounting and some have A LOT more going on. I bet if they would have put the second M.2 slot on the rear (like the vast majority of ITX boards with 2 M.2 slots do), they could've used standard cooler mounting.
I wanna see a GPU on it....
Yes next gen amd top card whatever the xt is if you can afford it
My comment is just gone
Annoying AF, ain't it.
@Terran.Marine.2 very
@Terran.Marine.2 I even left a second attempt of a response on my own comment and it wouldn't post. All I tried to say is order direct from Amazon, not through minisforum website. I'm still waiting on my PC from December
I want this with ai max 395
Nice
How much was this build?
Did you remove the CPU cooler?That came with it to install the after market cooler.Or did you put the c p u cooler on top of the copper plate