Dome Cover for Primitive Kiln - it kind of failed (episode 3.6)
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- This kiln will be used to fire pottery, make charcoal, and to make quick lime. Without a cover the heat freely escapes. To increase the temperature inside the kiln I was advised to make a cover for the kiln. By primitive means that's easier said than done. A removable kiln cover is rather large and has to be strong enough to withstand movement. It also has to be light enough to physically manage. Let's see how it turns out in this interesting scenario.
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Key moments:
00:00 Introduction
01:02 Making the mold
02:34 Making mud
04:38 Applying the mud
06:56 Cutting the dome
08:15 Hammock time
08:30 Checking the dome
09:14 Firing a pot
11:41 Tending to the dome
13:14 The dome broke
15:21 Testing the dome
16:44 Firing the kiln
21:46 Making biochar the old-fashioned way
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This is great. I love that you include these mishaps. It shows such a genuine human element to these videos.
Right? Chad is the epitome of, " Well, even though I failed I learned something very important. I will be better in the future now. "
That’s how it goes. I felt sure this would work. Equally important to learning how to do something is also learning how NOT to do something.
@@ChadZuberAdventuresIt's how we got this far!
@@ChadZuberAdventures Could this still have worked had it just been dried out longer? or is it just too big?
I might have written this before but it must feel SOOO AMAZING being able to be there! Nobody anywhere around, silence, Open land and only your imagination is your limitations!! ❤
Yeah it really is an amazing place to be. Just imagine how it will be when I build more and make more improvements.
We don't learn without mistakes. Great work, better than making excuses.!
Even though you failed, it was still a good attempt and I believe you will succeed next time.
That’s right 👍
Your attempt at a dome cover for the primitive kiln, even if it didn't go as planned, shows your innovative spirit and determination to improve. And I am Floating Village Life, inspired by your perseverance and creativity.
Thanks. Results aren’t always what one anticipates.
There is a proverb in my country, "the devil makes the pots but not the lids" now we know why, making lids is hard work hahahhahahaha
Hahaha, that’s an interesting proverb
My friend chad, I admire your perseverance, hard work, and exciting experiments. It seems the large kiln you built requires a suitable cover for success.
The clay cover may be prone to breakage due to its wide span, so I suggest narrowing the top part of the kiln in a circular shape to reduce the opening size, then crafting a relatively small cover to fit this opening.
Additionally, you can strengthen the kiln's structure by shaping it into a dome from the top using clay, then adding a circular opening in the top part of the dome. Finally, you can create a single cover that fits this opening to provide sufficient protection for the kiln.
It's also important to consider that the size of the opening will determine the size of the pottery that can be placed inside the kiln for firing, so this should be taken into account when designing the cover.
These steps will help improve the efficiency of the kiln and achieve the desired results successfully.
I wish you the best of luck in your future experiments and hope you achieve the desired success.
Yeah that’s why I can’t reduce the opening of the kiln. I need it wide to accept large pottery pieces. But maybe just reduce it a little. That’s a really good idea that never occurred to me. Thank you very much. You’re awesome!
@@ChadZuberAdventures Use a large stone as a lid perhaps
@@ChadZuberAdventures or maybe try making primitive concrete do you have access to volcanic ash
I’m excited for you to start your garden!
me 3
Relaxing on the hammock in that beautiful place is priceless. I love how the kiln sounds like a badass rocket ship when it's fired up. That quote ❤ great video/work 😊
The hammock is really a gane changer. It’s a huge improvement to quality of life here.
I guess 4 segments are better and easier than 2. Still interesting experience.
Actually it turned into 5 segments
One could only imagine the frustration of the first primitive person who came up with the dome idea for a kiln and then tried to construct it.
They had a whole tribe to help
My suggestion make a farme of the dome using willow branches and then add the clay to give it a strong foundation
That may be a better way
У Чеда там уже целый карьер по добыче глины😂
The whole land is a quarry
Вся земля - глиняный карьер
@@ChadZuberAdventures Чад где ты научился создавать примитивные предметы?
If you add a few holes here and there to your dome that will allow heat to escape better. Plus, you can barbeque over the fire. Sounds like fun! Even some cooking with a stove grate made. :)
He wants to RETAIN the heat,not allow it to "escape"
Love ♥from India 🇮🇳 🙏
Failure is the way to learn. Fail more and faster, and you will learn more and faster. Keep up the great work, and keep showing us the process, failures and all! Your perseverance and grit are inspiring, and we're learning along with you.
Aceptar el fracaso es entrar en el reino de lo humilde, excelente labor, gran aprendizaje para mi que lo observo y mas para ti que lo haces. A mi me vino a la cabeza viendo tu experiencia y la rotura de la cúpula en mas de 2 trozos como tu querías, la naturaleza te habló al dividirte en ¿4 o 6 ? la tierra te habló en el lenguaje que nos hace ser humilde y. donde duele se aprende.
Gracias Chad Zuber
🤠
Pues sí. Pero también hay otras opciones que estoy considerando.
That's a cool idea, I really enjoyed this episode! Also, I enjoy seeing your growing collection of ollas! Possibly making the dome with three or four smaller segments might work. Though there is still the possibility of them slipping and falling in if they are too small and don't lock together well enough. I have seen someone else make charcoal in a somewhat similar way, but they piled the wood inside the kiln to where it domed out the top, then covered it with mud while leaving a hole in the top. After the mud dried, they then lit it on fire. After it was burning well they then sealed the top and bottom openings with fresh mud and left it until the next day. They were then able to open the kiln, breaking away the mud top to retrieve the charcoal. Anyway, wishing you good luck going forward! I'm always excited to see what you will be up to next!
That’s a great idea with covering the mass of sticks with mud and letting it dry. The rain I don’t want to do that is because it is a waste of the mud because it will be partially fired and then not really usable. But for just a few times that would be good.
Sometimes times 90 per cent of success is indeed failures..so what else is new..gr8 stuff..keep im coming. I see lots of success in these vids. Bravo
When I was learning friction Fire it was like 99% failure rate 🤣
Yeh! Another video!
🔥🔥🔥Greetings, colleague. And where do you get water in the desert? Try to make a narrowing above the oven of burnt bricks. If it needs to be removable, then just smear the cracks with clay, without clay mortar between the bricks themselves. I think this design will be simpler, more durable and more functional. And if you still want to make large parts out of clay in order to increase their strength at the drying stage, you need to mix grass into the solution, since the juniper bark is more fragile and does not give proper reinforcement to clay. But in fact, the shape also matters and the applied effect on the part. In other words, the dome was not dry enough and without splitting into halves it would have been much stronger as a whole.🤝
There is water in the spring and the river. Those are good ideas. Unfriendliest unfortunately there is no grass here, or very little. Grass is not a reliable resource here. Juniper bark is abundant though and that’s why I use it. Perhaps there is a better option though. I don’t know. I have some more ideas to try with the dome. But you’re right, I don’t think it was dry enough.
@@ChadZuberAdventures The main thing is to extract the result from the experiment, then take it into account to make it better. You said it right - even failures teach us. Often, an unsuccessful experiment provides more valuable information than an easily obtained one. So, for example, when extracting fire, when it turns out the first time, we think it's easy. But then it doesn't work out 10 times in a row and we realize that when it worked out, everything was perfect. That is, we had not encountered difficulties before and thought that it was elementary, but the conditions changed slightly, for example, humidity or we were a little tired, or the shape of the parts and the type of wood was not the same, the pressing force or the intensity of friction, the time of acceleration... As a result, the result is negative. And it is he who makes us wonder why it didn't work out. We begin to study and deepen so much that our brain begins to solve a much larger number of tasks than just getting fire💫
Always a pleasure to see new video!
Shout out from Philippines Taguig. Solid supporters 🫶
Thank you to my friends in Philippines 👍
Félicitations pour ces vidéos je m'en lasse pas...👍🏻
Si j'avais été a votre place, j'aurai remplis le four de bois en forme de pyramide pour le haut et, construit le toit du four directement sur le bois qui dépasse et qui formera l'ossature de la structure....
Ensuite, il suffira de détruire le toit pour récupérer le charbon...
I love how it still works amazing.
Ánimo amigo echando a perder se aprende así decimos en Chile,las ollas quedaron hermosas,admiro todo lo que haces,hermoso vídeo.💪🔥
Mechas gracias amiga. Intentaré otra vez.
Muchas gracias amiga. Intentaré otra vez.
Appreciate it, man. Thanks a lot, Chad
Beatiful work 🌷🌿
the thumbnail looks like a pokeball :D
Great video. Inspiring, nicely done. 😀🖖👍
While this failure is sad, on the bright side, once you succeed and unlock lime, you can make a primitive concrete fairly easily and that should be a good material for this. (Alternative ideas I have are using several flat river rocks, which might prove dangerous because water trapped inside could explode, and fired clay, which might take even longer than making it of mud with primitive equipment)
Yeah river rock would be risky
I think you had the right idea cutting the lid in half. If you decide to remake the lid, it might be worthwhile to cut it into fourths to make the sections even easier to handle. Seems like the broken pieces stayed in place well enough just from being propped against one another. Just need to fine tune the seals.
Yeah four pieces would hold together better.
Animo Chad ¡¡¡ Acabaras consiguiendolo.
Gracias 👍
I think they would have heard my profanity in the neighbouring states when the dome broke.
Hahaha 🤣
Jane: it's gonna break.
Also Jane: I told you so.
Fascinating
Every mastery is a path of mistakes! Maybe you can try to add tiny but fairly long sticks to the mud for the dome?
That would definitely help
Amigo, muito obrigada pelos excelentes ensinamentos!
Deus o abençoe e o proteja sempre. Brasília/Brasil
Muito obrigado 👍
There is a method of making very thin walled pottery. I'm thinking that the lid needs to be way lighter than that so making it thin would be ideal. I had tried to make a thick dome for my kiln like you did and it fell apart just like yours. I just never found clay that would be able to handle being thin enough. Great video.
I’m thinking to try using clay and firing it.
I admire you very much, continue like this, you are expanding the survival capacity of many people
Thank you
I think it was a good attempt and I am sure you will get it done soon enough.
One thing I want to recommend that you try to build a wooden frame, like an upside-down basket made of bark and willow branches, then place it in a good location for you to apply the clay mixture and cover the frame with it. And then you could either let it dry on its own or you can try to bake it with a small fire.
I am basing this on the adobe ovens made by Townsends at the farmstead, it is very similar to what you just tried only in their case they were making an entire oven and not just a lid.
I might try something like that. Thanks.
I completely disagree that this was a failure, it wasn't. You discovered things that worked well (the fired olla you pulled out of the kiln, using juniper bark rubbed down to support your bricks internal structure and prevent cracking, using the sand to cast a mold for the Dome) and things that simply need rethinking. I think you're on the right track with division of the Dome, quarter size pieces seems to work better with the material you have to hand, and maybe you need to construct a dedicated charcoal kiln as a separate entity, that way you could seal the bricks with mud/ juniper bark mix and have your pottery kiln for doing pottery, which it does a great job of, and a charcoal kiln also. A Great effort and great success. Brilliant video 👍👋 there is no failure, there's rethinking 👋
Yeah it’s just the process. But you know how it is online. People will attack you for every little mistake you make. So it’s better to admit mistakes before hand. But you’re right, and o always say that knowing how NOT to do something is also important. I am currently rethinking this process and will make another attempt with some modifications in the future.
Only those who do nothing make no mistakes..lol..very creative Chad
Hey from brazil❤ I'm loving your videos and I have been thinking a lot about starting to live like this so thanks 😅
Muito obrigado! Te desejo o melhor nesse desafio.
Ваши видео очень интересные Чад
Actually I wondered if a quartered dome might be more useful than a whole dome lid. A steel reinforcing band around the base to retain tension might work, but primitively, making a step around the top of the kiln to keep the lid from expanding outwards might work too.
Getting precision like that with a step would be really tough in a primitive environment. I think I have a solution to try later.
Your dome lid will be much stronger if you had used the weaved flat basket as skeleton / structure then cover both sides with clay before you put it into the kiln OR if you don't wanna sacrifice the weaved basket, you can cut the dome lid into 4 pieces instead of 2 for easier handling.
I don’t want to use the basket that way. I could make another basket though.
Ey, hello Chad.
I've been following your channel for a while, although I haven't seen your videos in a while. I'm sorry. I'm glad to know that you are still on UA-cam always with this topic of primitive life. All the best.
PS: I'm so happy to know that the hut is still there. The first video of yours I saw was that almost hour-long video where you built it.
That was the first hut I built. This is the second hut.
Chad it me your friend arianny I love your videos
Hi Arianny! How are you?
So i was thinking, while the dome is cool is that shape necessary? Maybe a couple large flat pieces, or 3 large flat pieces and seal them with mud before firing. You also need something to plug the air feed hole at the bottom. With charcoal you need to seal it up as much as possible while allowing just a tiny hole for gasses to escape but not enough for the fire to suck oxygen into the setup which would burn away the charcoal into ash rather than brickets like youre aiming for.
Also id recommend trying at least once a very tight packed firing. Lots of sticks and branches and a crap ton of grasses packed in everywhere till theres no room. Then light up that fire ontop and cover it, let the fire burn down into everything and with very little air flow the grasses should burn away but a vast majoirty of the wood should be charcoal.
Your current setup is perfect for firing potteries and such, its an excellent kiln but not the best for charcoal production. Maybe a buried pit design would be a better shout for charcoal.
No matter what you do, stay safe, have fun and above all keep at it Chad! You can and will accomplish everything with enough time and practice.
Thanks for the tips. I appreciate it. Yeah making a few long bricks to cover the kiln and add mud in between would definitely work.
Based on this, and the giant pot attempt, seems like this clay has a certain maximum usable size for pottery.
Since the lid is so large, making it in three pieces might be ideal. It seems to sit well even broken up into so many pieces.
There's clearly a need for a plug for the entrance as well, i don't think stacking bricks and piling up sand will do it.
It'll be necessary to plug the any gaps with mud, as even the slightest opening will allow enough oxygen in to burn the charcoal overnight.
That being the case, reducing the number of cracks you need to plug is important, especially if you want to do this repeatedly.
It's also important not to be too hasty. Any good work takes a long time to do right, and rushing ahead or cutting corners always leads to disaster.
Living life without any regrets is hard work, but hey, you'll never regret it.
You’re right. I was hastily working on so many projects at the same time. I often don’t stop to think. I used to think too much and hardly get anything done. Now I work without thinking much and make mistakes. I think it’s better to work now and make mistakes because there is more to learn in the process than in theory. I was in such a hurry because I can’t film this at night. And I realized when the fire was ablaze that I hadn’t prepared any mud and it was too late. This experience will help me the next time.
You need to make the doom cover more thicker
That was a good idea 👍
It would be too heavy. I’m going to try again with a modified technique.
Thanks. I am camping out in a juniper forest and inspired by a lot of the crafts you show. Andy Woods and Wills OWest channels fire pottery primitive, no kiln. Maybe they can give you some tips. I think the Dakota fire was great.
I fire pottery without a kiln too but I want to use the kiln for other types of firing and for that I need to cover it.
All I can think of is that whacking at those scrub oak twigs must have been good therapy for venting your frustrations, lol... Also, Happy Father's Day! (Dunno how many human kids you have, but you are most definitely a dog dad!)
Yes, smashing the branches was quite satisfying. I’m far from all my family at this time but thanks for the Father’s Day wishes.
Just for this to work, Next time sield It with fresh mud as it is burning not with premade Stones. Not leaving any gap
Parabéns pelo vídeo e secessso sempre
Muito obrigado 🙏
Judging by the way Chad hit the brushwood with a stick, tamping it into the stove, in this case, he also gained experience in managing his anger))
Haha, there was no anger just haste.
Gran video. Me da miedo ese fuego.
Antes me daba miedo también
Watch this video and see the era with a thousand years ago
همیشه از دیدن کارهایت لذت می برم👏👌🌹
🙏👍
Happy Father's Day, Chad! I couldn't help but think of a Pokeball when you cut the dome in half =). Thank you for sharing, despite the frustration of the process.
The ollas seem like a great idea for the garden. I hope that they work out well.
Thank you so much. Are you a father? If so, HAPPY FATHER’S DAY!!
@@ChadZuberAdventures Thank you! I'm not a father yet, but I'll pass this along to my dad :)
คุณใช้ไอเดียร์และพลังในตัวคุณออกมาได้ดีมาก เยี่ยม
Thank you
Even though you've kinda failed yourself still creative 😅😅
Failure is part of the process in creation
❤
Sensational Survival I'm from Brazil Nice
Olaaaaaa
At least you tried
And I’ll try again
Good Thinking MR. CHAD.... TRIAL AND EROR
Sorry if my life. Mostly error.
Wouldn't it be easier to make the cover for the furnace a flat circular shape rather than a dome? Domes are very hard to do.
Yes but it would have less strength
your style is working really well. Maybe hold a q&a sometime?
I might
Had 10 acres South of Pecos TX once, about 3 foot down you would hit that caliche or hard clay. I made a brick press out of some 2x4 and a plate from the train tracks. Made sample bricks but cracked in winter. Getting water was a big issue.
Why did the bricks crack in winter? How cold did it get?
@@ChadZuberAdventures I believe it froze, but I had to try a couple.
You can make a dome out of small bricks in a trapezoid shape. That stacks together in a dome shape.
Yes, that would be a last resort. It would be a lot of time and effort and the bricks would get charred. I hope to eventually succeed at making a convenient renovable dome.
@@ChadZuberAdventures You could fire the bricks inside the furnece the red hot. So they would be reusable, only needing to seal with mud... I believe.
@@josesaldanha2683That’s an option too
your brick pit could soon become a root cellar. wow!
Except that water pours in when it rains
@@ChadZuberAdventures for sure. you could make a roof and gutter system on the ground level and line the bottom of the pit with rock. just a thought
👏👏👏👏
At first, i thought you were going to mold the mud around the basket to provide a sort of rebar for the dome.
I might make a lower quality basket for that.
i feel like you may need to re-visit this and treat the dome more like concrete. Sticks and fibrous material to act as internal support. 4 long bricks may be a more obtainable covering aswell
Yeah those are both good ideas
There's no need for the cover to be a dome, you could make a few long thin bricks like the ones you used on your doorframe for the hut and place them next to eachother
Hi Chad,
How about remaking the lid, just like before, but upside down, in a pit and fire the thing, You would not have the breaking problem?
Still, great attempt. This is how we learn NEW THINGS. We form an idea, try an approach, and when it fails, we try again, modifying the process.
literally, everything you have done was sone by this process. It's OK to fail, just don't do the same exact thing over again, expecting a different result. Albert Einstein once said that that was the definition of insanity.
Primitive living is learning (again) the things our ancient fore bearers learned, in the dame way. You sir have done a superb job, ;-)
Hmmm, I never thought of doing it that way. That would probably be better because it would allow the clay to compost better while drying. Such a simple modification and u think it will work. Thanks man! 👍
Have you tried mixing fine wood ash (such as the result of this test) with your clay to give it more of a concrete property? You could probably remake the dome a bit thinner this way which would allow it to dry more thoroughly.
However, the dome might not be needed depending on how "sticky" your mud is. You can fill the kiln with wood and then add a thick layer of mud right to the top, which will allow you to more easily fill all air gaps and not have to worry about your lid breaking. You would have to reapply this type of seal each time, but it might be more reliable.
I have added ash to clay before but I didn’t do any testing so I don’t know what the effect was. Perhaps I will try again. The reason I’d rather not cover the kiln with mud when it’s filled with branches is because the mud would get partially fired and then not be very useful. At some point I’m going to have to dig another pit and the mud is more valuable to me for making pottery and bricks for construction.
Thanks for the clarification. Resource management is definitely important, especially in the environment that you are in. Good luck, looking forward to more experiments!
add some sticks to be the "skeleton" inside the dome to make it more stronger when you lift/move it.
That’s a good idea
@@ChadZuberAdventures usually i have rather always good ideas 🤣
Why don't you build a skeleton of concentric rings made with branches and then pile the clay on top of that to give additional structural strength to the dome cover?
I might do that 👍
I think the sand acted like a sponge and absorbed the moisture unevenly therefore creating unseen issues with the dome,i think thats why it cracked, maybe try the same method but cover the sand with juniper bark then mould the dome over it,it may take longer but it might work.
I adore you♥Btw, u have beautyful garden)
Thank you
I like your perseverance. Perhaps, 4 pieces for the dome would be better? I wonder about ancient brickmaking. In biblical times, straw was used for making bricks. Is the straw, from back then, or the juniper bark you put into this, like rebar for concrete? Cheers, Chad! 👍🏻👍🏻✌️
Yeah straw or juniper bark acts like rebar to hold the earth together much like roots of trees and plants hold the loose earth together.
On Friday
Can you make a UA-cam shorts showing all of your pottery (in the hut. you can also do the ones outside of the hut to if you’d like)
Maybe I will.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I'm so sorry that you had this failrule. I hope that you are right once, in the next episode.
I thint that you shouldn't to make charcoal in the hute stove. You should making a different furnance, for example furnance to making charcoal. It must this furnance, which has a litte of oxygen and it will might smoking wood for the coal beautifully. Have a nice say Chad! Sorry, if it is already evening where you are, because in the this world are different time zones. Jakub Woźniak.
Thanks for your suggestion. I will consider your idea.
the Fahan Beehive huts of Ireland might provide an alternative design solution.
It needs a removable cover for large pottery pieces
@@ChadZuberAdventures ah, yes, I hadn't considered that.
the pit you removed the clay from... looks like you are on your way to make a walipini..
glad to see you re gaining subscribers! are you making a living out of this? or more? why dont you buy some land? a few bison?
Almost making a living. I do other work too.
@@ChadZuberAdventures like theatre?! keep up the work! you ll get there!
¡Ups! Aquí no te puedo intentar ayudar en nada, 😅de esto no tengo ni la más mínima idea. Buen intento, y gran vídeo.
Jajaja, muchas gracias
Keep warm?
We must do this.
Dig a channel from the entrance to the hut to the fireplace. Cover it with slabs. The air will flow through the duct to the fireplace. And the hut will be warm. If the fire does not burn, the channel should be closed.
This is not for keeping warm
Maybe split the cover into fourths to prevent brakes.
It's BREAKS* not brakes. Imbecile.
That’s an option
Did you use juniper bark to make your clay cook pots?
No, just clay and minerals
😁👍
Ive been wanting to make good concrete but i cant find any limestone wondering if i can just burn tons of leaves to make up for the lack of calcium
Did you find iron ore when you were digging in your quarry
Never found iron ore
later you can use this pit to make underground cabin😃
Water pours in during rains
@@ChadZuberAdventures how about tree house or log cabin 😬
Mis saludos amigo
I’m curious. Could you use a basket in the shape of the lid as internal support for your clay; kinda like rebar?
Yeah that could definitely be done. That’s a common building technique.