@@renst3163 I'm from a poor country and I know a LOT of people that have switches as their main console simply because of piracy, outside of phones, the switch is one of the more accessible ways of playing games here: the console is cheap, easy to mod and you won't go broke from game purchases . I'm saying this because there are probably dozens of reasons people use this console docked.
Nah, I’m that rare player too. I almost never play my Switch handheld. Nothing against that kind of gaming of course, I just prefer to see my games on a bigger screen. And before any smart-alecks ask “What’s the point of getting a Switch then if you’re not going to use its main gimmick?” My answer is…why do you care, lol? Play your games (or don't) however you want, and I’ll play mine however I want.
What exactly are people even expecting TV mode to do besides offer higher res and performance? What's to show in a teaser that was showing off the physical console? People are just looking for reasons to be upset.
If all you had to go on was this reveal video, the only info you have is larger joy con and large switch screen. If you play docked you might not even use those joycon. So while you would assume it's got more power you don't have that from the video.
I hope the dock can receive streaming data from the Switch, so we can have dual screen gameplay like the Wii U but without any of the Wii U's downsides.
There is more to better graphics than resolution. But I assume you didn’t mean that literally. I do think it’s disappointing that the one game they showed looked like it could run flawlessly on the switch 1. There are more graphically impressive switch 1 games than this.
@@56ty_ Smaller hands, such as those of children could have more difficulty with the larger size. Not to mention Pro Controllers and other more ergonomic controllers are more commonly used by docked players than handheld players. Magnetic joycon attachment doesn't help docked mode at all. So you're really just talking about mouse mode, which Nintendo didn't actually show in the reveal. Sure, they turned the pair on side and had them race across a surface, but we never see them control an on-screen pointer. Thats a rumor that while probably spot on, wasn't actually confirmed in the video, nor do we know how they intend to use a mouse in games. Its not inconceivable its used as much as the IR sensor. So what are we talking about indeed? No feature seen of the joycons in the reveal video was a surefire benefit to docked players.
I think the main reason Nintendo would never make a TV only switch is because the kind of people who prefer playing on their big TV with a pro controller are also the kind of people who would never want to buy a product with stripped out features.
That is true, but I think a TV only 'Nintendo Switch: Fami" releasing this year at a hyper budget price containing joycons (they can use the official charging stand if it is cheaper) would be a great device to cater to the care home/Mario Kart/Switch Sports for parties/etc audience, and those who simply want a Switch for one or two games they missed in it's lifespan would fit excellently into their existing strategy for selling the console at the end of it's life.
@PolitiClank I like the concept, I don't like the timing. If this was something Nintendo wanted to do, they'd have likely done it last year. Besides the obvious cost of redesigning the console and retooling factory lines to produce it, I don't think Nintendo will want to approach holiday 2025 with two new pieces of hardware in retail stores. (Three if you count Alarmo, but its much more clearly not a game console from packaging.) I think Nintendo will want to be very clear that Switch 2 is "the new thing" and not have any other "new thing" on the shelf beside it that could create confusion. The Wii Mini was introduced to Canada for holiday season 2012 (same season as Wii U) and in USA for holiday season 2013 (what should have been seen as the biggest holiday season for Wii U, since it was introduced so late in 2012.) It probably did more actual harm to Wii U sales in those regions than the oft-blamed "U" part of the name. Having something both newer and cheaper on the shelves at holiday season is a very bad decision. Cheaper is okay when its clearly older, but a new dockless model introduced in October or November could repeat the Wii Mini/Wii U mistake. And to clarify, I don't think the 2 in the name necessarily gets the point across that its the superior model, if you have something else with a suffix like "Mini" or "Fami". If there's any late season advertising that promotes a Switch Fami as newer and buyers are mindful of it, that can undermine the "2 = new" concept. Furthermore, some stores, particularly Best Buy in USA and Canada, show release dates to customers on their pricing labels as a guide to let them know what is newer vs older, and this could also easily undermine the "2 = new" marketing. Nintendo would be much wiser to just continue building current model Switch 1s on existing factory lines until they decide they don't need to build anymore of them.
@@lilisaurYou are right, though I sort of meant the device would be pushed out quite quickly (a release this late could conceivably be revealed in a February Direct and released in March for a sales boost ahead of the new fiscal year alongside a game like Pokémon Legends: ZA. If they keep it lower key, they can boost margins and sales without the two products touching each other. You are totally right about the production issue - it is the same problem with allowing a choice between LCD and OLED at launch.
@PolitiClank If they can turn around a Switch 1 Mini/Fami fast enough to beat Switch 2 to market, that "might" work, but I still think its risky. However, a March release of new Switch 1 hardware probably wouldn't make that big of a dent in fiscal year units. You're not going to see a million or two million people jump on it in just a few weeks. Its not going to sell millions like Switch 2 does on its release. Pokemon Z-A is almost certain not making it in this fiscal year. No way they shadow drop such a large selling game in February, and March is already taken by Xenoblade X. Pokemon games get a few months of coverage before release, so whether its the set in the Direct or Pokemon Presents, I think April is absolutely earliest it comes, and very likely later. (There are also still rumors about Black/White remakes floating around, and if those are on agenda for November/December then it would likely put Z-A at April or May to get them spaced out as much as possible.)
They showed practically nothing lol the main purpose of that trailer was to let us know that it's coming, and that it's a bigger, more powerful Switch. That's it.
Literally the only time it plays in the trailer is in docked mode, or actively in the process of switching to docked mode. And since it’s backwards compatible I don’t even think we know if this Mario kart they showed is even a switch 2 game. I’d say there’s an 85% chance that it is and like a 15% chance that’s it’s a switch 1 title. Like we can rationally assume that it’s not a switch 1 title but nobody told us that it’s not expansion pass wave whatever. Though the new vehicles would suggest that it’s at least a new game. Probably. The new character designs less so.
I think it's important to note that 4K output does not require rendering at 4K. Even without DLSS a game can be rendered at a lower internal resolution while the console outputs a higher one, Nintendo has been doing this since the Switch launched with Breath of the Wild running at 1600 x 900. The slowest Turing based GPUs like the GTX 1650 which can hardly handle 720p gaming can still output 8K resolutions, so the hardware is absolutely capable, the only reason to not support 4K output would be to cut costs on HDMI ports and cables. Since Nintendo moved to HDMI 2.0 with the Switch OLED which can't take advantage of the extra bandwidth, the extra cost probably isn't something they're concerned with. They'll also need these same cables and ports years later. Would HDMI 1.4 still be significantly cheaper than 2.0 in 2027? 2029? Is it even cheaper now? I can hardly find anything for sale lower than 2.1.
Also, HDMI 2.1 would enable the use of VRR (a developer friendly feature implemented in the competitor consoles that can smooth out the judder from an inconsistent frame rate) which is a very beneficial feature that Nintendo already supports in their engine (the ease of implementation outweighs the niche availability).
Can switch 2 do 4k native YES can it do ai scale 4k yes can it support mouse yes are the joycons now the true wii remote chuck replacements we wanted how is that not next gen tv mode
@PolitiClank VRR isn't the easiest thing to implement at the system level (as demonstrated by Sony's difficulties when it came to making the feature available not only on the PS5 console but also their own TVs) so chances that it shows up on Switch 2 are lower than just basic 4K output.
Upscaling and resolution are just too techy topics for a reveal trailer. It’s for kids to see the new toy, they don’t care about display resolution or refresh rates
I play on my television. In fact, I usually bring my dock with me when I travel… However, I love having the option to play portably, and I’ve even done it on occasion.
Considering the quantum leap in performance from the Switch 1, I wouldn't say they're getting the short end of the stick. They get to play in "mouse mode" and play Splatoon 4, shooter games, as if they it were a PC.
Gee, I wonder that's because they'll give more details at a certain announced date for a presentation? We literally have a set in stone date where they will go over these kinds of details. People have zero patientlce these days...
I honestly go as far as to argue that Nintendo doesn’t consider the handheld PC market as competition at all. Those devices cater to a very niche market, to the point where a vast majority of the general public don’t even know they exist. Even the Steam Deck (arguably the biggest of the handheld PCs) isn’t available for purchase at retailers, further limiting its mainstream reach. As of right now, Nintendo has no real competition in the hybrid space. And until Sony &/or Microsoft enter the market, I don’t see that changing anytime soon. It’s only hard-core fans like us who gas up the handheld PCs to be bigger than they actually are. In terms of the potential upstarts you mentioned, I feel like the only one who could have a shot at penetrating the market outside of the Big 3 is Apple.
Yeah.. The "handheld PCs" are 1) 2 to three times the cost of the current switch *since we don't have switch 2 price* 2) Only matter to the Linux fanboys who are screaming crap like "Linux is now up .5 percent of gamers! WE'RE KILLING WINDOWS!!!! #SUDO my Woodo!"
I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple options for docked mode, focusing primarily on resolution or graphical enhancements considering which one you prefer. It does seem a bit un-nintendo, but all the other console makers are doing it.
As someone who's used the switch in docked mode for what's surely over 95% of my total playtime on the platform, it feels kinda weird knowing it isn't the primary way of playing the console. I've always looked at the switch as a home console you can take on the go, instead of a handheld you can also plug into a tv. From that Nintendo AI upscaling patent it seemed like they were weighing the possibility of having dlss work to a much greater extent in docked more, so I'm not too worried about switch 2s docked experience being cast aside, however, people who expect to see nintendo 1st party titles upscaled to 4k through dlss might be expecting a bit too much. I'd expect nintendo to stick to 1080p for the vast majority of releases, even when utilizing dlss.
I'd like a dock only console because I would not have to pay for a battery and screen that I will not use and that will probably be subpar to a previous product (I don't see it being OLED by default). Most of the games I care about suffer from the low visibility you get in such a little screen, as much as I would love to I can't play Splatoon in handheld.
The only extra things I want as a 95% docked player are faster loading times, more internal memory, and a better selection of 3rd party ports. 4k only matters to me in that it's a tradeoff where we get more ports but worse performance.
There will definitely be a new pro controller, but i hope it'll have the same features as the joy con, with the mouse being substituted by a touch pad like the ps5 has.
There wasn’t any talk of tv mode because there wasn’t any talking at all? That was just a trailer for the April Nintendo direct. Plus it only plays games substantially in docked mode in the trailer, so I don’t understand.
You can't push true 4K on a portable console the heat output would cause a meltdown. This is why they go AI for 4k/DLSS to reduce the power needed for the GPU. If they can pull this off this will be revolutionary and the mouse feature replacing the IR input but now it seems a "Mic" is optioned this helps but the next will be a "webcam" this will be a major revolution to hand held consoles will become a leader in portable gaming.
Docked mode will support native 4k and AI 4k the drive is far superior to a ps4 pro the cpu allows has a per click instruction rate upto 5 x the ps4s jaguar
What if the dock has 2 IR LEDs, so it can act as a sensor bar and we could do the mouse stuff from the sofa without a table. The pro controller has the space at the front to put an IR sensor too.
I think it’s pretty normal for anyone who likes Nintendo games but doesn’t have any daily situations to play on the go to be a majority docked player. For me personally I am just more comfortable if I can hold a controller in my hand and have my head pointing forward instead of down at my hands. That said, I don’t understand why anyone would think that docked mode players were going to be left out by the Switch 2. The reveal was under 3 minutes. There’s a lot it didn’t show that I’m sure we’ll be seeing in April.
i don’t see what’s so bad about waiting more than two months for the direct, i’m already eating good every one or two days thanks to you and a february direct is apparently coming up, so we might not be starved either way
We don't know if we'll see more of Switch 2 at this presumed February Direct. Given that it seems to be leaning hard towards being a Switch 1-focused Partner Direct, they may keep almost all the Switch 2 news until April. I'd really like for them to name a few titles or at the very least finish with a "one last thing" Switch 2 tease, but I think its possible we get the same "no mention of Switch 2 in this Direct" treatment in the day-before announcement. I think the two events where we're more likely to get more Switch 2 news are the February 4 Investors Meeting and March 10 Mario Day. To calm some investors, I think Furukawa may have to toss another bone, just as he did in November regarding backwards-compatibility. And I find it hard we get through Mario Day and they don't show more of either the new Mario Kart or a 3D Mario (or both.) To borrow from NF, I think its a 50% chance we get something at Investors Meeting, 30% chance we get something in February Direct (which could just be the same info given at Investors meeting), and a 90% chance something on Mario Day.
Docked mode is "niche" and 4k TVs still not that important to people? I don't think I've ever disagreed more with one of your videos... Have you even considered that a lot of us prefer to play docked but chose not to BECAUSE Switch looks terrible on our 4k displays? Nearly 40% of Asia-Pacific households own a 4k TV, while 44% of US households own a 4k capable display (as if 2023). 4k TVs have been affordable for nearly a decade now. It's easier to find large, affordable 4k TVs than 1080p ones nows. You can get 42+ inch 4k TV for less than $300. Nintendo's 2024 survey said 52% of people play primarily docked mode, 41% play handheld, and the rest split between tabletop & Switch-Lite modes (yes, Switch Lite's handheld only was a separate category). Switch 2 games don't need to be rendered at 4k, but Nintendo can't ignore such a huge % of the population & stay stuck in the past, refusing to support 4k output. It's one of the major reasons I sold my Switch last year, as nothing looked good on ANY display I owned, and I wasn't interested in the tons of end-of-life ports, remasters & remakes.
I'm not expecting anything to change for docked TV play between the two consoles other than the mouse control option. The performance and graphics are one thing, but I feel a lot of the issues of that with Switch 1 were more of the developer's fault. I don't play in handheld mode ever, and I don't take my Switch anywhere other than on long vacations. The only thing I need is an overhaul to the home screen, eshop, and social features.
How come Nintendo didn't mention the exact power consumption of the console? And neither did they say what type of plastics the chassi is made of or how long the pack-in HDMI cable will be. This must of course mean it's all going to be garbage
4K hasn't penetrated into the average person's life the way 1080p/720p did because manufacturers touted HD TV or HD resolution, which was easy to market to consumers and for said consumers to understand and even see next to SD. It becomes much trickier with 4K or Ultra HD which the average person doesn't perceive. Most people purchased a 1080p TV within the last 15-20 years as 4K TVs were not even released until 2012 and hadn't become mainstream until roughly 10 years ago. My personal opinion is most TV and movies are of little material difference in watching at 1080p or 4K. I tend to believe most consumers, who are less tech savvy than myself, are of the same opinion based on conversations with friends, family and co-workers. When I am asked for purchase advice on PCs, laptops, TVs, etc they tend to have little to no idea about 4K. This further extends into gaming as these tend to be the type to prefer plug and play systems with no fiddly bits. HDMI into TV, plug into wall, good to go. Does it hurt Nintendo to not have the 4K badge on the Switch 2 box? I doubt it. 1440p is likely the sweet spot in docked mode as this extends beyond 1080p, while not being overly ambitious to the point of handicapping the system. According to the Steam hardware survey 1080p is still the dominant resolution even in the PC space at ~56.1% whereas 1440p is ~19.5% and 4K ~4.2% respectively. PC gaming has generally been regarded as the cutting edge in graphics vis a vis console gaming. Graphics are not the primary reason most gamers play on Nintendo systems as evidenced by the fact most play in both docked and handheld modes. Will the next Animal Crossing sales be hurt by not being 4K resolution? That's laughable to me, with it's chibi art style. That game is the perfect example of how ludicrous the graphics arms race is and how it's doing nothing but bloating development schedules and budgets, leading to the downfall of many formerly great studios and publishers. Nintendo is wise to meet the average gamer where they are in terms of graphically fidelity as this keeps their hardware and development costs significantly lower than the competition.
Exactly. While they have given it a sturdier kickstand and magnetic attachments to make joycons-removed mode easier, finding a smooth-enough tabletop-like surface to do mouse work isn't always going to be viable. Bus, subway, backseat of car, stranding in a queue: how are you supposed to play mouse mode? I think this is something third parties will appreciate when porting PC games, and might find some use in both first- and third-person shooter games, but the more I think about it, the more likely I think Nintendo is not going to utilize mouse mode much at all. Its' going to be a niche feature for them, much as the IR sensor was on Switch 1. The Switch 2 Labo equivalents will demand it, but I don't think we're going to see any other first party games require it. As a second play mode option, perhaps; but as the primary or preferred method, no.
The Switch Lite lack of docked support is shame and the Switch 2 Lite should support it. Of course Nintendo wants to do segmentation, however the formfactor of the Switch Lite is perfect for handheld play so why not allow it to be used docked as well.
Why would anyone play in handheld mode while at home? That's like listening to music with laptop speakers, although there's a good audio system in the room.
TV isn’t always available and I prefer playing in bed. There are a plenty of use cases to consider. Not everyone is in love with couch gaming and if I’m gaming at my desk it means I’m in the mood for whatever games I have on my PC.
Wait what? All the improvements to joycon (size, shape, larger buttons, mouse option, better hd rumble? Some sort of force feedback?) carry over to TV play. Plus next gen graphics and next gen games. Just like everyone else. Or are talking about people who only care about graphics?
As someone who plays almost entirely on the dock, nah I didn’t feel short-changed. I have rather large hands, so playing handheld never felt very comfortable to me. Maybe I’ll play it more since the Switch 2 is a little bigger, but I like seeing my games on the big screen anyway. As for the specs, I’m not a stickler for that sort of thing, and I keep realistic expectations about Nintendo’s hardware power. I know I’m not going to get a high-end PC out of a little thing like the Switch 2 (especially not at an affordable price). I’m expecting 1080p docked, at best 1440p, and personally I’m fine with that (though if in the unlikely chance we get a 4K iteration down the road, I won’t complain lol).
honestly i think that reveal trailer was purposely showing as little as possible to spite everyone for leaking so much forcing them to announce it earlier then they wanted to. but judging by how many starting lines, the little squash and stretch animations every character has, and the draw distance i think this thing may be capable of a bit more then what we expected from the shipping info leaks saying that it might be somewhere between ps4 pro-xbox series s before any DLSS
I believe Digital Foundry estimated the docked TFLOPs at around 3.1 and handheld at 1.7, based entirely on the die size and expected manufacture process. A PS Pro runs a "theoretical high" of 4.2 (probably overestimated) and Xbox S at just over 4. So power-wise it looks to be coming up short. Of course, those consoles don't have to worry about battery life or a form factor that prohibits a really big fan or other cooling system. But Switch 2 supposedly does have both a RAM advantage, 12 GB compared to PS4 Pro's 8 and S's 10, and a storage medium speed advantage, as SD Express outpaces a PS4 Pro's SSD drive (but not the NVME drive of an S) So depending on the balance of CPU, RAM, and drive access needs, games could perform every bit as good as they do on PS4 Pro or S, or still look noticeably downgraded. Its going to depend a lot on what the game needs and how competent the developer is at adjusting to the different mix. If the shipping info or leak data is just wrong and its well into the 4 TFLOPs range, that's great for docked players. I don't think there's any chance handheld gets to 4 though: even if the Switch 2 has an adequate cooling solution, that much power would seriously curtail battery life.
Eh, wouldn't count on it. They only have 400$ to work with, but really its 320 because the included dock costs 80. Its atleast going to be more powerful than the steam deck, since that thing is 2 and a half years old at this point, but i think its still going to be weaker than ps4 pro.
@@lilisaur One of the Digital Foundry people also doesn't know what the hell "Software" actually means... so.. yeah I've lost all faith in them. The diefying of youtube tech spec people need to stop.
That's interesting... I had heard the opposite. I only ever docked my Switch once in 8 years because the difference wasn't very large and the resolution looked fine on the small screen. 720p vs. 1080 just didn't bother me. From all the rumours of the specs I've heard Nintendo severely underclock the Switch 2 in handheld mode, probably so it can reach 2.5 - 3 hours battery life. On a Steam Deck for example, you can run the machine at full power undocked running a game like Final Fantasy Remake and it will drain the battery from full in just over an hour, It seems like Nintendo don't want to give us that option so they under power it in handheld. It's just speculation until someone gives us the full specs but "if" the leaks are true, a docked Switch 2 is massively more powerful than it is in handheld mode.
I mean, Nintendo will unveil the console in a Nintendo Direct on April 2nd. The "reveal" trailer is only to acknowledge it exists, the fact they talked little about this aspect of the console isn't exactly significant when they haven't even announced any features besides the hybrid form factor seen in the reveal.
Uhhhh aren't we expecting a higher performance mode in addition to possible DLSS up to 4K upscaling? I'm guessing now that the trailer is out, you've switched to making content for the generally uninformed consumer
I didn’t even consider TV mode because I rarely use my switch for TV mode. Like, 90% of the time I’m playing it in handheld mode. If it’s docked it means I’m playing Ring Fit, Splatoon, or I’m with other people playing Smash Bros. I like playing in bed, on the bus/train, on the sofa, or at table, basically I’m almost never around my TV or computer monitor, and I need my monitor to play PC games. I guess I’ve just come to appreciate the convenience of Nintendo’s handheld devices over the decades more than having to take dedicated effort to set things up on the TV. So the usage stats make sense to me. But I don’t see why TV mode folks would feel left out over a brief reveal when Nintendo will hash out all the technical details later.
The first thing I see on Google when searching "4K TV adoption" is that 44% of homes in the U.S. had a 4K TV in 2021, so I'm not sure where those numbers you provided are coming from. They mean to tell me the proportion _lowered_ in the past four years? Not to mention, it's very likely the portable screen in itself is full HD, both due to leaks and the massive 8-inch size, so I imagine 1440p will be the target in TV mode.
I hope the dock can wirelessly connect to the switch 2. They have went out of their way to not show the C button, as its completely blank in the reveal video. It might mean "Cast". Although, its probably "Chat"
The chart is weird, it implies that smart tvs aren't hdtvs, but I don't know a single smart tv that isn't an hdtv. The chart is defently worded weird. Especially since it says "hd tv or high-definition tv" which is the same thing, there is no reason to add "or" whoever made that chart isn't very bright. The entire thing needs to be re-written.
Look again, the sum is higher than 100 which means categories aren't mutually exclusive. Thus some of the 58% of Smart TVs are also HD or 4k (but could also be none for I think older models or "alternative" tech like projectors). And "hd tv or high-definition tv" could either be just an explanation of HD or some kind of shenanigans like branding (like Full-HD).
Do u think nintendo will follow same strstegy where they release a mini version first then a "pro" version after (since the oled was likely intended to be a pro version).
I only play my switch in handheld mode, and I don’t have a 4k TV. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if Nintendo had a $400 standard option, and a $500 or $600 ultra model that could do 4K. That way I wouldn’t have to pay for the feature I don’t care about, but there’s still an option for those who do.
Unrelated, but one passing thought i had is: Since we already know how the new joycons look like, what exactly happened with that theory that the color-coded button prompts of Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario TTYD were meant to reflect the new consoles' own controller? By this point the theory's probably debunked, but what caused this design choice in those two games in the first place?
A) Might still have Joycons following that scheme sometime in the future. B) Even if the buttons themselves aren't colored, potentially the lettering on them is, as we saw with some New 3DS models. C) Nintendo hasn't actually shown us a real Switch 2 console yet. They showed us a CGI render of one. They could still change this on us (but seems unlikely from leaked photos.)
9:30 There actually is no "Nintendo mouse mode". It's a common misconception based on Digital Foundry's misidentification of an IR sensor on the top of the Joy Con, which is pretty funny to think that almost every single gaming youtuber including yourself has parroted back to the community as if it's fact. It's going to be a disappointing day for those viewers when Nintendo has to explain that rumor was completely false.
Tbf, real 4K is something not a lot of games achieve, no matter the console. Even on PS5 and XBSX, most games run upscaled to 4K. Even on PC, most users will use upscalers like FSR or DLSS, because they rather have a solid 60P/120fps, with "fake" 4K, than 30 or lower fps, with native 4K. The real question is, what DLSS is Nintendo using. DLSS 4 is looking very promising, however it is unlikely that this will be used on the Switch 2, not because the Switch 2 can't handle it, it's more so that it won't be usefull for the Switch 2. But recent patents suggest, Nintendo will use its own DLSS version, a "N(intendo)DLSS" if you will. In other words, it's not so much what the hardware can do, because it absolutly won't run 4K natively, it's more about what NDLSS will be cabable of. NDLSS could theoretical set a standard for 4K (upscaled) for TV mode. I think especially Nintendos first party games will benefit a lot from that. Their games are very stylized, and even if upscaled from lower resolutions, might end up with a very good upscaled 4K resolution. All I can say, the footage of Mario Kart 9 doesen't seem to run any type of upscaling. Either it's not planed for that particular game, which would be weird, or the game is still deep in development. It could also just be handheld footage, which simply won't use NDLSS at all, and they used the same footage on the TV, to make it more seemless in nature. After all, it's a CGI-trailer. You can't really tell what is suppose to be real.
I never really understand what people’s problem is with graphics. I get why people like it (I love when my ps5 games look amazing), but for me as long as we can now play any type of game (Open world ext) at 1080p and 60fps, I am satisfyed. How many times do you actually notice while playing a ps5 game that it’s not a ps4 game
ATARI LYNX was way more revolutionary/better than game gear and imo should have been mentioned instead. please say something about the way nobody mentions or even considers the (ignorantly assumed) DIGITAL triggers... (also, i've used my dock once, to test it. oled handheld is what this platform is really about).
Nintendo has NOT competed on power since the GAMECUBE. Why people are so concerned now about power is making me scratch my head. Several times since the Gamecube they have outright 'won' by sheer volume sales with the weakest system. I guess people need SOMETHING to be upset and/or concerned about or life isn't worth living.
Why would it have a dock, still have a charging port on the bottom despite adding one on the top, and NOT connect to the tv when docked? Y’all are paranoid.
I know I shouldn't rise to this sort of thing but I have seven videos ready to go, any time, another three recorded, a further six scripted, maybe a dozen more part-researched and literally hundreds of video suggestions and requests... I make the content that interests me.
Because there wasn't a reason to show details on docked play. It's mainly going to be a higher resolution. This video is trying to create a discussion and debate out of nothing. Sometimes the answer is short and sharp - not a 12min discussion of useless information
I mean, if nintendo is really getting the final fantasy seven rebirth, and the new metal gear solid three remake, then it absolutely is going to be powerful
I use my Switch 95% of the time in docked mode because Joycons are simply not as comfortably ergonomic for adult hands as the the Pro controller. Nintendo's figures must include a ton of kids. It makes sense that the Switch 2 Joycons are larger.
This thing is gonna run like a steam deck, it's not gonna be better then a steam deck OLED and that's fine it's not a mass adopted machine and it let them run a massive game like BG3 on their console. It would actually be the best possible thing that could happen for the gaming market if Steam is pushing people to make games that work on deck and Nintendo is pushing people to make games that run on Switch 2 basically it will become industry standard to not push hard for these massive inflated budget 4K games and maybe we'll see a little less layoffs when they need to make these billion dollar games.
Just want to first say thanks for all your videos. 🙏🏾 I stumbled over your channel last month when I was researching stock info on Nintendo and your video “Nintendo’s Switch 1 Strategy” popped up. Great video because unlike most channels that speculate and overhype, you provide more insightful information. Me personally I enjoy playing my Switch OLED tabletop while watching TV, as well handheld when commuting 🚎 🚙 Docked is cool too, but a feature I probably use maybe only four times a month.
I am that (rare?) player. I can count on the fingers on one hand the number of times my Switch has left its dock since 2018.
Why even bother at that point then lol
@@renst3163yes let’s go play mario kart on ps5 instead….
@@renst3163 Why even bother with what? I want to play Nintendo games, the Switch is Nintendo's platform.
@@renst3163 I'm from a poor country and I know a LOT of people that have switches as their main console simply because of piracy, outside of phones, the switch is one of the more accessible ways of playing games here: the console is cheap, easy to mod and you won't go broke from game purchases . I'm saying this because there are probably dozens of reasons people use this console docked.
Nah, I’m that rare player too. I almost never play my Switch handheld. Nothing against that kind of gaming of course, I just prefer to see my games on a bigger screen.
And before any smart-alecks ask “What’s the point of getting a Switch then if you’re not going to use its main gimmick?” My answer is…why do you care, lol? Play your games (or don't) however you want, and I’ll play mine however I want.
What exactly are people even expecting TV mode to do besides offer higher res and performance? What's to show in a teaser that was showing off the physical console? People are just looking for reasons to be upset.
@@alopexau they actually get all the improvements to joycon as well. I don’t understand what we’re even talking about?
If all you had to go on was this reveal video, the only info you have is larger joy con and large switch screen. If you play docked you might not even use those joycon. So while you would assume it's got more power you don't have that from the video.
I hope the dock can receive streaming data from the Switch, so we can have dual screen gameplay like the Wii U but without any of the Wii U's downsides.
There is more to better graphics than resolution. But I assume you didn’t mean that literally. I do think it’s disappointing that the one game they showed looked like it could run flawlessly on the switch 1. There are more graphically impressive switch 1 games than this.
@@56ty_ Smaller hands, such as those of children could have more difficulty with the larger size. Not to mention Pro Controllers and other more ergonomic controllers are more commonly used by docked players than handheld players. Magnetic joycon attachment doesn't help docked mode at all. So you're really just talking about mouse mode, which Nintendo didn't actually show in the reveal. Sure, they turned the pair on side and had them race across a surface, but we never see them control an on-screen pointer. Thats a rumor that while probably spot on, wasn't actually confirmed in the video, nor do we know how they intend to use a mouse in games. Its not inconceivable its used as much as the IR sensor.
So what are we talking about indeed? No feature seen of the joycons in the reveal video was a surefire benefit to docked players.
I think the main reason Nintendo would never make a TV only switch is because the kind of people who prefer playing on their big TV with a pro controller are also the kind of people who would never want to buy a product with stripped out features.
That is true, but I think a TV only 'Nintendo Switch: Fami" releasing this year at a hyper budget price containing joycons (they can use the official charging stand if it is cheaper) would be a great device to cater to the care home/Mario Kart/Switch Sports for parties/etc audience, and those who simply want a Switch for one or two games they missed in it's lifespan would fit excellently into their existing strategy for selling the console at the end of it's life.
@PolitiClank I like the concept, I don't like the timing. If this was something Nintendo wanted to do, they'd have likely done it last year. Besides the obvious cost of redesigning the console and retooling factory lines to produce it, I don't think Nintendo will want to approach holiday 2025 with two new pieces of hardware in retail stores. (Three if you count Alarmo, but its much more clearly not a game console from packaging.)
I think Nintendo will want to be very clear that Switch 2 is "the new thing" and not have any other "new thing" on the shelf beside it that could create confusion. The Wii Mini was introduced to Canada for holiday season 2012 (same season as Wii U) and in USA for holiday season 2013 (what should have been seen as the biggest holiday season for Wii U, since it was introduced so late in 2012.) It probably did more actual harm to Wii U sales in those regions than the oft-blamed "U" part of the name. Having something both newer and cheaper on the shelves at holiday season is a very bad decision. Cheaper is okay when its clearly older, but a new dockless model introduced in October or November could repeat the Wii Mini/Wii U mistake.
And to clarify, I don't think the 2 in the name necessarily gets the point across that its the superior model, if you have something else with a suffix like "Mini" or "Fami". If there's any late season advertising that promotes a Switch Fami as newer and buyers are mindful of it, that can undermine the "2 = new" concept. Furthermore, some stores, particularly Best Buy in USA and Canada, show release dates to customers on their pricing labels as a guide to let them know what is newer vs older, and this could also easily undermine the "2 = new" marketing. Nintendo would be much wiser to just continue building current model Switch 1s on existing factory lines until they decide they don't need to build anymore of them.
@@lilisaurYou are right, though I sort of meant the device would be pushed out quite quickly (a release this late could conceivably be revealed in a February Direct and released in March for a sales boost ahead of the new fiscal year alongside a game like Pokémon Legends: ZA. If they keep it lower key, they can boost margins and sales without the two products touching each other. You are totally right about the production issue - it is the same problem with allowing a choice between LCD and OLED at launch.
@PolitiClank If they can turn around a Switch 1 Mini/Fami fast enough to beat Switch 2 to market, that "might" work, but I still think its risky.
However, a March release of new Switch 1 hardware probably wouldn't make that big of a dent in fiscal year units. You're not going to see a million or two million people jump on it in just a few weeks. Its not going to sell millions like Switch 2 does on its release.
Pokemon Z-A is almost certain not making it in this fiscal year. No way they shadow drop such a large selling game in February, and March is already taken by Xenoblade X. Pokemon games get a few months of coverage before release, so whether its the set in the Direct or Pokemon Presents, I think April is absolutely earliest it comes, and very likely later. (There are also still rumors about Black/White remakes floating around, and if those are on agenda for November/December then it would likely put Z-A at April or May to get them spaced out as much as possible.)
They showed practically nothing lol the main purpose of that trailer was to let us know that it's coming, and that it's a bigger, more powerful Switch. That's it.
The reveal was about the physical form of the device. There's nothing sinister going on.
Prepare yourself for more videos like this. This trailer will be milked thoroughly until April 2 lol
Literally the only time it plays in the trailer is in docked mode, or actively in the process of switching to docked mode. And since it’s backwards compatible I don’t even think we know if this Mario kart they showed is even a switch 2 game. I’d say there’s an 85% chance that it is and like a 15% chance that’s it’s a switch 1 title. Like we can rationally assume that it’s not a switch 1 title but nobody told us that it’s not expansion pass wave whatever. Though the new vehicles would suggest that it’s at least a new game. Probably. The new character designs less so.
I think it's important to note that 4K output does not require rendering at 4K. Even without DLSS a game can be rendered at a lower internal resolution while the console outputs a higher one, Nintendo has been doing this since the Switch launched with Breath of the Wild running at 1600 x 900. The slowest Turing based GPUs like the GTX 1650 which can hardly handle 720p gaming can still output 8K resolutions, so the hardware is absolutely capable, the only reason to not support 4K output would be to cut costs on HDMI ports and cables. Since Nintendo moved to HDMI 2.0 with the Switch OLED which can't take advantage of the extra bandwidth, the extra cost probably isn't something they're concerned with. They'll also need these same cables and ports years later. Would HDMI 1.4 still be significantly cheaper than 2.0 in 2027? 2029? Is it even cheaper now? I can hardly find anything for sale lower than 2.1.
Also, HDMI 2.1 would enable the use of VRR (a developer friendly feature implemented in the competitor consoles that can smooth out the judder from an inconsistent frame rate) which is a very beneficial feature that Nintendo already supports in their engine (the ease of implementation outweighs the niche availability).
Can switch 2 do 4k native YES can it do ai scale 4k yes can it support mouse yes are the joycons now the true wii remote chuck replacements we wanted how is that not next gen tv mode
@PolitiClank VRR isn't the easiest thing to implement at the system level (as demonstrated by Sony's difficulties when it came to making the feature available not only on the PS5 console but also their own TVs) so chances that it shows up on Switch 2 are lower than just basic 4K output.
They didn’t talk about anything
Wdym
I play docked 95% of the time.
then buy a pc.
@@joejoe2658how are they going to play splatoon than
Might as well make another video called "Why no details on switch 2's handheld mode?"
It's literally just a shape reveal + Mario kart 9
Any gameplay used is obviously green screened in post..
And obviously there's more polygons it's a next gen switch. Gasp😮
Upscaling and resolution are just too techy topics for a reveal trailer.
It’s for kids to see the new toy, they don’t care about display resolution or refresh rates
trailer was not for kids.
@@joejoe2658 I’m not saying it wasn’t for adults as well.
I play on my television. In fact, I usually bring my dock with me when I travel… However, I love having the option to play portably, and I’ve even done it on occasion.
Considering the quantum leap in performance from the Switch 1, I wouldn't say they're getting the short end of the stick. They get to play in "mouse mode" and play Splatoon 4, shooter games, as if they it were a PC.
Yeah. I hope it comes with some sort of mouse pad because i prefer couch/bed to a desk most the time.
@@arachnid_eaterOr you just buy something for 5€
pc doesnt lock gyro to ONE axis.
I’m a docked player and don’t feel left out. It’s a great upgrade.
Gee, I wonder that's because they'll give more details at a certain announced date for a presentation?
We literally have a set in stone date where they will go over these kinds of details. People have zero patientlce these days...
Patience is not a requirement. Its up to businesses to meet consumer and shareholder expectations, not the other way around.
All I know is that if the system is $500 like the rumors suggest, it had absolutely better have stable 4k gaming and monster hunter wilds on LAUNCH.
I honestly go as far as to argue that Nintendo doesn’t consider the handheld PC market as competition at all. Those devices cater to a very niche market, to the point where a vast majority of the general public don’t even know they exist. Even the Steam Deck (arguably the biggest of the handheld PCs) isn’t available for purchase at retailers, further limiting its mainstream reach.
As of right now, Nintendo has no real competition in the hybrid space. And until Sony &/or Microsoft enter the market, I don’t see that changing anytime soon. It’s only hard-core fans like us who gas up the handheld PCs to be bigger than they actually are. In terms of the potential upstarts you mentioned, I feel like the only one who could have a shot at penetrating the market outside of the Big 3 is Apple.
Yeah.. The "handheld PCs" are 1) 2 to three times the cost of the current switch *since we don't have switch 2 price* 2) Only matter to the Linux fanboys who are screaming crap like "Linux is now up .5 percent of gamers! WE'RE KILLING WINDOWS!!!! #SUDO my Woodo!"
I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple options for docked mode, focusing primarily on resolution or graphical enhancements considering which one you prefer. It does seem a bit un-nintendo, but all the other console makers are doing it.
As someone who's used the switch in docked mode for what's surely over 95% of my total playtime on the platform, it feels kinda weird knowing it isn't the primary way of playing the console. I've always looked at the switch as a home console you can take on the go, instead of a handheld you can also plug into a tv. From that Nintendo AI upscaling patent it seemed like they were weighing the possibility of having dlss work to a much greater extent in docked more, so I'm not too worried about switch 2s docked experience being cast aside, however, people who expect to see nintendo 1st party titles upscaled to 4k through dlss might be expecting a bit too much. I'd expect nintendo to stick to 1080p for the vast majority of releases, even when utilizing dlss.
I think they revealed the absolute minimum they could get away with and basically focused on the stuff you could gleam from a factory leak.
I'd like a dock only console because I would not have to pay for a battery and screen that I will not use and that will probably be subpar to a previous product (I don't see it being OLED by default). Most of the games I care about suffer from the low visibility you get in such a little screen, as much as I would love to I can't play Splatoon in handheld.
The only extra things I want as a 95% docked player are faster loading times, more internal memory, and a better selection of 3rd party ports. 4k only matters to me in that it's a tradeoff where we get more ports but worse performance.
I used to play handheld mode a lot, and then my joy cons kept getting drift so now I only play docked with a pro-controller...
Dock mode is how I always play.
I’m not worried about visuals on switch 2 but I need to learn about a new Pro controller!
There will definitely be a new pro controller, but i hope it'll have the same features as the joy con, with the mouse being substituted by a touch pad like the ps5 has.
There wasn’t any talk of tv mode because there wasn’t any talking at all? That was just a trailer for the April Nintendo direct. Plus it only plays games substantially in docked mode in the trailer, so I don’t understand.
Always docked (unless i go on holiday)
You can't push true 4K on a portable console the heat output would cause a meltdown. This is why they go AI for 4k/DLSS to reduce the power needed for the GPU. If they can pull this off this will be revolutionary and the mouse feature replacing the IR input but now it seems a "Mic" is optioned this helps but the next will be a "webcam" this will be a major revolution to hand held consoles will become a leader in portable gaming.
Docked mode will support native 4k and AI 4k the drive is far superior to a ps4 pro the cpu allows has a per click instruction rate upto 5 x the ps4s jaguar
What if the dock has 2 IR LEDs, so it can act as a sensor bar and we could do the mouse stuff from the sofa without a table.
The pro controller has the space at the front to put an IR sensor too.
I think it’s pretty normal for anyone who likes Nintendo games but doesn’t have any daily situations to play on the go to be a majority docked player. For me personally I am just more comfortable if I can hold a controller in my hand and have my head pointing forward instead of down at my hands.
That said, I don’t understand why anyone would think that docked mode players were going to be left out by the Switch 2. The reveal was under 3 minutes. There’s a lot it didn’t show that I’m sure we’ll be seeing in April.
i don’t see what’s so bad about waiting more than two months for the direct, i’m already eating good every one or two days thanks to you
and a february direct is apparently coming up, so we might not be starved either way
We don't know if we'll see more of Switch 2 at this presumed February Direct. Given that it seems to be leaning hard towards being a Switch 1-focused Partner Direct, they may keep almost all the Switch 2 news until April. I'd really like for them to name a few titles or at the very least finish with a "one last thing" Switch 2 tease, but I think its possible we get the same "no mention of Switch 2 in this Direct" treatment in the day-before announcement.
I think the two events where we're more likely to get more Switch 2 news are the February 4 Investors Meeting and March 10 Mario Day. To calm some investors, I think Furukawa may have to toss another bone, just as he did in November regarding backwards-compatibility. And I find it hard we get through Mario Day and they don't show more of either the new Mario Kart or a 3D Mario (or both.) To borrow from NF, I think its a 50% chance we get something at Investors Meeting, 30% chance we get something in February Direct (which could just be the same info given at Investors meeting), and a 90% chance something on Mario Day.
"Blue ocean step sideways"
*cuts to Link's Awakening trailer*
I see you Nintendo Forecast with your visual jokes... very clever
TV/docked mode is the best way to play S2
Docked mode is "niche" and 4k TVs still not that important to people?
I don't think I've ever disagreed more with one of your videos...
Have you even considered that a lot of us prefer to play docked but chose not to BECAUSE Switch looks terrible on our 4k displays? Nearly 40% of Asia-Pacific households own a 4k TV, while 44% of US households own a 4k capable display (as if 2023).
4k TVs have been affordable for nearly a decade now. It's easier to find large, affordable 4k TVs than 1080p ones nows. You can get 42+ inch 4k TV for less than $300.
Nintendo's 2024 survey said 52% of people play primarily docked mode, 41% play handheld, and the rest split between tabletop & Switch-Lite modes (yes, Switch Lite's handheld only was a separate category).
Switch 2 games don't need to be rendered at 4k, but Nintendo can't ignore such a huge % of the population & stay stuck in the past, refusing to support 4k output.
It's one of the major reasons I sold my Switch last year, as nothing looked good on ANY display I owned, and I wasn't interested in the tons of end-of-life ports, remasters & remakes.
"Why didn't Nitendo sell a TV only model?!" The PSTV says hi.
I'm not expecting anything to change for docked TV play between the two consoles other than the mouse control option. The performance and graphics are one thing, but I feel a lot of the issues of that with Switch 1 were more of the developer's fault. I don't play in handheld mode ever, and I don't take my Switch anywhere other than on long vacations. The only thing I need is an overhaul to the home screen, eshop, and social features.
I'm not sure how reliable Statista is
or we could just wait until the direct that goes into more detail instead of jumping to conclusions…
How come Nintendo didn't mention the exact power consumption of the console? And neither did they say what type of plastics the chassi is made of or how long the pack-in HDMI cable will be. This must of course mean it's all going to be garbage
Does the new Mario Kart footage looks graphically impressive?
4K hasn't penetrated into the average person's life the way 1080p/720p did because manufacturers touted HD TV or HD resolution, which was easy to market to consumers and for said consumers to understand and even see next to SD. It becomes much trickier with 4K or Ultra HD which the average person doesn't perceive. Most people purchased a 1080p TV within the last 15-20 years as 4K TVs were not even released until 2012 and hadn't become mainstream until roughly 10 years ago.
My personal opinion is most TV and movies are of little material difference in watching at 1080p or 4K. I tend to believe most consumers, who are less tech savvy than myself, are of the same opinion based on conversations with friends, family and co-workers. When I am asked for purchase advice on PCs, laptops, TVs, etc they tend to have little to no idea about 4K. This further extends into gaming as these tend to be the type to prefer plug and play systems with no fiddly bits. HDMI into TV, plug into wall, good to go. Does it hurt Nintendo to not have the 4K badge on the Switch 2 box? I doubt it.
1440p is likely the sweet spot in docked mode as this extends beyond 1080p, while not being overly ambitious to the point of handicapping the system. According to the Steam hardware survey 1080p is still the dominant resolution even in the PC space at ~56.1% whereas 1440p is ~19.5% and 4K ~4.2% respectively. PC gaming has generally been regarded as the cutting edge in graphics vis a vis console gaming.
Graphics are not the primary reason most gamers play on Nintendo systems as evidenced by the fact most play in both docked and handheld modes. Will the next Animal Crossing sales be hurt by not being 4K resolution? That's laughable to me, with it's chibi art style. That game is the perfect example of how ludicrous the graphics arms race is and how it's doing nothing but bloating development schedules and budgets, leading to the downfall of many formerly great studios and publishers. Nintendo is wise to meet the average gamer where they are in terms of graphically fidelity as this keeps their hardware and development costs significantly lower than the competition.
U can’t use a mouse in handheld mode, so something is up
Exactly. While they have given it a sturdier kickstand and magnetic attachments to make joycons-removed mode easier, finding a smooth-enough tabletop-like surface to do mouse work isn't always going to be viable. Bus, subway, backseat of car, stranding in a queue: how are you supposed to play mouse mode? I think this is something third parties will appreciate when porting PC games, and might find some use in both first- and third-person shooter games, but the more I think about it, the more likely I think Nintendo is not going to utilize mouse mode much at all. Its' going to be a niche feature for them, much as the IR sensor was on Switch 1. The Switch 2 Labo equivalents will demand it, but I don't think we're going to see any other first party games require it. As a second play mode option, perhaps; but as the primary or preferred method, no.
Why? What's the problem with that?
If you're on the go, just play via joycons.
The last thing they want is for someone to utter, "so it's a more powerful dock?
The Switch Lite lack of docked support is shame and the Switch 2 Lite should support it. Of course Nintendo wants to do segmentation, however the formfactor of the Switch Lite is perfect for handheld play so why not allow it to be used docked as well.
Why would anyone play in handheld mode while at home?
That's like listening to music with laptop speakers, although there's a good audio system in the room.
TV isn’t always available and I prefer playing in bed. There are a plenty of use cases to consider. Not everyone is in love with couch gaming and if I’m gaming at my desk it means I’m in the mood for whatever games I have on my PC.
Wait what? All the improvements to joycon (size, shape, larger buttons, mouse option, better hd rumble? Some sort of force feedback?) carry over to TV play. Plus next gen graphics and next gen games. Just like everyone else.
Or are talking about people who only care about graphics?
It is a DOCKED mode.. What is there to talk about? All it does it display to the TV
As someone who plays almost entirely on the dock, nah I didn’t feel short-changed. I have rather large hands, so playing handheld never felt very comfortable to me. Maybe I’ll play it more since the Switch 2 is a little bigger, but I like seeing my games on the big screen anyway.
As for the specs, I’m not a stickler for that sort of thing, and I keep realistic expectations about Nintendo’s hardware power. I know I’m not going to get a high-end PC out of a little thing like the Switch 2 (especially not at an affordable price). I’m expecting 1080p docked, at best 1440p, and personally I’m fine with that (though if in the unlikely chance we get a 4K iteration down the road, I won’t complain lol).
The trailer didn’t disclose any specs so the sky must be falling… 🙄
Dock play all the way
I've never played undocked
honestly i think that reveal trailer was purposely showing as little as possible to spite everyone for leaking so much forcing them to announce it earlier then they wanted to. but judging by how many starting lines, the little squash and stretch animations every character has, and the draw distance i think this thing may be capable of a bit more then what we expected from the shipping info leaks saying that it might be somewhere between ps4 pro-xbox series s before any DLSS
I believe Digital Foundry estimated the docked TFLOPs at around 3.1 and handheld at 1.7, based entirely on the die size and expected manufacture process. A PS Pro runs a "theoretical high" of 4.2 (probably overestimated) and Xbox S at just over 4. So power-wise it looks to be coming up short. Of course, those consoles don't have to worry about battery life or a form factor that prohibits a really big fan or other cooling system.
But Switch 2 supposedly does have both a RAM advantage, 12 GB compared to PS4 Pro's 8 and S's 10, and a storage medium speed advantage, as SD Express outpaces a PS4 Pro's SSD drive (but not the NVME drive of an S)
So depending on the balance of CPU, RAM, and drive access needs, games could perform every bit as good as they do on PS4 Pro or S, or still look noticeably downgraded. Its going to depend a lot on what the game needs and how competent the developer is at adjusting to the different mix.
If the shipping info or leak data is just wrong and its well into the 4 TFLOPs range, that's great for docked players. I don't think there's any chance handheld gets to 4 though: even if the Switch 2 has an adequate cooling solution, that much power would seriously curtail battery life.
Eh, wouldn't count on it. They only have 400$ to work with, but really its 320 because the included dock costs 80. Its atleast going to be more powerful than the steam deck, since that thing is 2 and a half years old at this point, but i think its still going to be weaker than ps4 pro.
@@lilisaur One of the Digital Foundry people also doesn't know what the hell "Software" actually means... so.. yeah I've lost all faith in them. The diefying of youtube tech spec people need to stop.
@ Well until someone else takes initiative and does some analysis and comparison on the components pictured in leaks, its all we've got to go with.
That's interesting... I had heard the opposite. I only ever docked my Switch once in 8 years because the difference wasn't very large and the resolution looked fine on the small screen. 720p vs. 1080 just didn't bother me. From all the rumours of the specs I've heard Nintendo severely underclock the Switch 2 in handheld mode, probably so it can reach 2.5 - 3 hours battery life. On a Steam Deck for example, you can run the machine at full power undocked running a game like Final Fantasy Remake and it will drain the battery from full in just over an hour, It seems like Nintendo don't want to give us that option so they under power it in handheld. It's just speculation until someone gives us the full specs but "if" the leaks are true, a docked Switch 2 is massively more powerful than it is in handheld mode.
I almost never play with the handheld mode, but I do really appreciate having both options!
I'm a handheld player. I like it being right in my hands. I feel more immersed in the game that way. It's also much more convenient to play it in bed.
I mean, Nintendo will unveil the console in a Nintendo Direct on April 2nd. The "reveal" trailer is only to acknowledge it exists, the fact they talked little about this aspect of the console isn't exactly significant when they haven't even announced any features besides the hybrid form factor seen in the reveal.
Uhhhh aren't we expecting a higher performance mode in addition to possible DLSS up to 4K upscaling?
I'm guessing now that the trailer is out, you've switched to making content for the generally uninformed consumer
11:59 fin.
I didn’t even consider TV mode because I rarely use my switch for TV mode. Like, 90% of the time I’m playing it in handheld mode. If it’s docked it means I’m playing Ring Fit, Splatoon, or I’m with other people playing Smash Bros. I like playing in bed, on the bus/train, on the sofa, or at table, basically I’m almost never around my TV or computer monitor, and I need my monitor to play PC games. I guess I’ve just come to appreciate the convenience of Nintendo’s handheld devices over the decades more than having to take dedicated effort to set things up on the TV. So the usage stats make sense to me.
But I don’t see why TV mode folks would feel left out over a brief reveal when Nintendo will hash out all the technical details later.
I'm more interested in a stable and high framerate for first party games.
The first thing I see on Google when searching "4K TV adoption" is that 44% of homes in the U.S. had a 4K TV in 2021, so I'm not sure where those numbers you provided are coming from. They mean to tell me the proportion _lowered_ in the past four years? Not to mention, it's very likely the portable screen in itself is full HD, both due to leaks and the massive 8-inch size, so I imagine 1440p will be the target in TV mode.
It might not be just a dock this time around
I hope the dock can wirelessly connect to the switch 2. They have went out of their way to not show the C button, as its completely blank in the reveal video. It might mean "Cast". Although, its probably "Chat"
Alternate title “why no details on switch 2?”
The chart is weird, it implies that smart tvs aren't hdtvs, but I don't know a single smart tv that isn't an hdtv. The chart is defently worded weird. Especially since it says "hd tv or high-definition tv" which is the same thing, there is no reason to add "or" whoever made that chart isn't very bright. The entire thing needs to be re-written.
Look again, the sum is higher than 100 which means categories aren't mutually exclusive.
Thus some of the 58% of Smart TVs are also HD or 4k (but could also be none for I think older models or "alternative" tech like projectors).
And "hd tv or high-definition tv" could either be just an explanation of HD or some kind of shenanigans like branding (like Full-HD).
@@evanpereira3555 It's still written weird, whoever made it is bad at making charts.
@EPS5000 I kinda agree.
I wonder what they're cooking up
because there were no details at all shown lol
Do u think nintendo will follow same strstegy where they release a mini version first then a "pro" version after (since the oled was likely intended to be a pro version).
I only play my switch in handheld mode, and I don’t have a 4k TV. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind if Nintendo had a $400 standard option, and a $500 or $600 ultra model that could do 4K. That way I wouldn’t have to pay for the feature I don’t care about, but there’s still an option for those who do.
Life events and nowadays I play Switch in handheld 90% of the time, except when I play co op using the joycons sideway.
I have the same full hd TV like 15 years now. And it still not fully used by Nintendo. But if they have UHD, then I will get a new TV for sure.
Unrelated, but one passing thought i had is:
Since we already know how the new joycons look like, what exactly happened with that theory that the color-coded button prompts of Super Mario RPG and Paper Mario TTYD were meant to reflect the new consoles' own controller?
By this point the theory's probably debunked, but what caused this design choice in those two games in the first place?
That's a really interesting thought. Hmm
A) Might still have Joycons following that scheme sometime in the future.
B) Even if the buttons themselves aren't colored, potentially the lettering on them is, as we saw with some New 3DS models.
C) Nintendo hasn't actually shown us a real Switch 2 console yet. They showed us a CGI render of one. They could still change this on us (but seems unlikely from leaked photos.)
Docked mode being niche is by far the hottest take i’ve heard from you. (Not a bad thing tho )
Commenting for the algorithm, absolutely loved this video too 🙏
Thank you so much!
didn't you want to drop the percentages?
I did but I had a lot of feedback from people preferring them.
4K has to be used, or this thing is gonna get ridiculed by every news outlet. At least for the UI and maybe some 2D games.
I want 1440p 60fps docked, 4K is overkill to me.
9:30 There actually is no "Nintendo mouse mode". It's a common misconception based on Digital Foundry's misidentification of an IR sensor on the top of the Joy Con, which is pretty funny to think that almost every single gaming youtuber including yourself has parroted back to the community as if it's fact. It's going to be a disappointing day for those viewers when Nintendo has to explain that rumor was completely false.
I think people already know it's gonna be less underclocked when docked.
I am 1 out of 5, who are the other 4?
Personally, I think that any improvements to the dock are gonna be software stuff so they’d be shown off in the April direct
This is the worst take I have heard from this channel since its inception. It was just a teaser trailer.
This isn't a take he's making though, it's a take that exists online that he is discussing!
Tbf, real 4K is something not a lot of games achieve, no matter the console. Even on PS5 and XBSX, most games run upscaled to 4K. Even on PC, most users will use upscalers like FSR or DLSS, because they rather have a solid 60P/120fps, with "fake" 4K, than 30 or lower fps, with native 4K.
The real question is, what DLSS is Nintendo using. DLSS 4 is looking very promising, however it is unlikely that this will be used on the Switch 2, not because the Switch 2 can't handle it, it's more so that it won't be usefull for the Switch 2. But recent patents suggest, Nintendo will use its own DLSS version, a "N(intendo)DLSS" if you will.
In other words, it's not so much what the hardware can do, because it absolutly won't run 4K natively, it's more about what NDLSS will be cabable of.
NDLSS could theoretical set a standard for 4K (upscaled) for TV mode. I think especially Nintendos first party games will benefit a lot from that.
Their games are very stylized, and even if upscaled from lower resolutions, might end up with a very good upscaled 4K resolution.
All I can say, the footage of Mario Kart 9 doesen't seem to run any type of upscaling. Either it's not planed for that particular game, which would be weird, or the game is still deep in development. It could also just be handheld footage, which simply won't use NDLSS at all, and they used the same footage on the TV, to make it more seemless in nature. After all, it's a CGI-trailer. You can't really tell what is suppose to be real.
I never really understand what people’s problem is with graphics. I get why people like it (I love when my ps5 games look amazing), but for me as long as we can now play any type of game (Open world ext) at 1080p and 60fps, I am satisfyed. How many times do you actually notice while playing a ps5 game that it’s not a ps4 game
ATARI LYNX was way more revolutionary/better than game gear and imo should have been mentioned instead. please say something about the way nobody mentions or even considers the (ignorantly assumed) DIGITAL triggers... (also, i've used my dock once, to test it. oled handheld is what this platform is really about).
Nintendo has NOT competed on power since the GAMECUBE. Why people are so concerned now about power is making me scratch my head. Several times since the Gamecube they have outright 'won' by sheer volume sales with the weakest system. I guess people need SOMETHING to be upset and/or concerned about or life isn't worth living.
4k and better joycons and mouse hardly
Why would it have a dock, still have a charging port on the bottom despite adding one on the top, and NOT connect to the tv when docked? Y’all are paranoid.
Wasn't the thing announced like 3 days ago?
Y'all need to simmer down....
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Yeaaaa.... This is what it looks like when youre trying to desperately fish for content when the rumors are over.
I know I shouldn't rise to this sort of thing but I have seven videos ready to go, any time, another three recorded, a further six scripted, maybe a dozen more part-researched and literally hundreds of video suggestions and requests... I make the content that interests me.
Caramba, cara; pra quê isso?
Im ngl ive never once used my Nintendo Switch in docked mode lmaoo
Is this a hate baiting video? It sounds like it dumping on Nintendo like you are. And stats from 5 years ago don't count either.
?!! Did you watch past 30 seconds?
@ Yes I did, I listened to half your video before making my conclusion.
Fair enough. I find your conclusion mystifying but thanks for giving the video a go I guess!
Because there wasn't a reason to show details on docked play. It's mainly going to be a higher resolution. This video is trying to create a discussion and debate out of nothing. Sometimes the answer is short and sharp - not a 12min discussion of useless information
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I mean, if nintendo is really getting the final fantasy seven rebirth, and the new metal gear solid three remake, then it absolutely is going to be powerful
I use my Switch 95% of the time in docked mode because Joycons are simply not as comfortably ergonomic for adult hands as the the Pro controller. Nintendo's figures must include a ton of kids. It makes sense that the Switch 2 Joycons are larger.
This thing is gonna run like a steam deck, it's not gonna be better then a steam deck OLED and that's fine it's not a mass adopted machine and it let them run a massive game like BG3 on their console. It would actually be the best possible thing that could happen for the gaming market if Steam is pushing people to make games that work on deck and Nintendo is pushing people to make games that run on Switch 2 basically it will become industry standard to not push hard for these massive inflated budget 4K games and maybe we'll see a little less layoffs when they need to make these billion dollar games.
Just want to first say thanks for all your videos. 🙏🏾 I stumbled over your channel last month when I was researching stock info on Nintendo and your video “Nintendo’s Switch 1 Strategy” popped up. Great video because unlike most channels that speculate and overhype, you provide more insightful information. Me personally I enjoy playing my Switch OLED tabletop while watching TV, as well handheld when commuting 🚎 🚙 Docked is cool too, but a feature I probably use maybe only four times a month.
Thank you! Interesting that you use tabletop a lot. I do think it's underrated but the bigger screen will help make it more useable in this form.
@ yes, I’m excited for that too. 😃