This whole situation definitely feels like they're trying to capture the market, and turn 3d printers into the nightmare that is normal, 2d printers, with their exclusive inks and other anti-consumer nonsense
@@porrepokemon currently the once in a six side company benefits from being reputable to an audience so it could be argued they can be trusted... For the moment, but such a decision needs to be reviewed and revised constantly.
@@porrepokemon He's not a company in that sense though? He's not profiting off of selling us a product other than the content we can freely choose to support?
@@porrepokemon Yes including influencers - a company is only as good as its last product. It is on us a consumers to research what we buy and adjust our spending accordingly if needed. That said until now OIASS has made good produce.
Honestly, even if they somehow produced the best product on the market, this whole "let's see what we can get away with until people complain loud enough" bs REEKS of corporatism. I work in software engineering and I can guarantee you translating an offline mode for that "online-only" bs was maybe a couple weeks' work (and that's if we include proper testing). You just know they'll keep trying to rip customers off as much as they can until there's enough complaints to pull back a bit, and for that kinda attitude, they can suck it. Thanks for your video as always homie
I always appreciate how open and clear you are about your stance on products and your relationships with these companies. Doing UA-cam content can be a bit of a minefield, and I am glad that someone in the 3D Printer space is looking at things critically like this. Thinking about how things CAN get out of control is the best way to stop that from happening.
Great video, very informative and I appreciate your subscriber/consumer focus. I purchased both the Saturn 3 Ultra and Bambu A1 mini based on your reviews. Thank you. Not upgrading to a Heygears printer any time soon.
It's because while they're trying to push into the hobby-level space with all of the recent influencer promotion, the proprietary resin and after-sales support is aiming more at the low end of the (semi-)professional market where that's more commonplace. Jewelry-makers, rapid prototyping, etc. See also Uniformation's machines. That's also where the price tag comes in; they're competing to undercut Formlabs ones that are 4x the price.
not necessarily, they just want to provide an easy to use option for people who don't want to do all their own resin settings and perfecting those. They can't do that if they don't know what resin their users are using, so they use their own to make sure it works for everyone. Besides, i've heard news they're looking into providing settings for other resins too, but that obviously takes a while.
Literally dozens of videos out there where folks have subbed in other resins, played a tiny bit, and found regular market resins that work just as well as the proprietary ones.
You aren't their market base though. Their main business is not creating printers for Dave and Joe who want to print mini's so they can play at the weekend. Their main business is medical and dental prototyping, in those industries the user probably doesn't know or care what a bottle of Sunlu ABS-Like resin is. They use what they've been provided with, and in a lot of cases medical manufacturers lock their customers into using their stuff, for repeat revenue. This printer isn't even set at a hobby price, it's being targeted at hobbyist with more income (Whales) than the average person, hence the price and price of resin. People are getting angry that a product not for them isn't for them. Our 'burgeoning' hobby has been around for decades, it was just not cost affective to sell to muggles like us until recently. Our hobby didn't create 3D printing, it just adopted it and not believes it's entitled to everything. We can't all afford a Range Rover or the fuel that goes into it, and we don't all have a right to one either.
You might not say that people were creating videos, downplaying things or exaggerating things. But I certainly do. And I can name at least 2 other creators who absolutely did this, had a melty when being called out and then deleted problematic comments. "No I get not paid to do this" is so awkward, when you think about the affiliate revenue... Man this makes my blood boil. But again, just like the last heygears video you did, this is the reason I am watching you and not others anymore.
I found your channel about a week ago and have binged almost all your videos! Thank you so much for your knowledge and education! I can’t wait for my resin printer to come in!
When I used to work in retail (Electrical/Electronics) we used to get SPIV's (Special Product Incentive Vouchers) basically a fancy name for commission. The biggest percentages came from companies that were struggling to shift their products, sometimes also working against a negative press event.
All ya have to do is look at how they got away with crap in the dental industry. Ya may get away with that crap in desperate industries but on the conventional market, they are just shooting them selves in the foot and showing their dirty underhanded business practices. This is really not a good idea on the consumer market. As I’ve been quoted saying before. “Over priced junk”.
Creator review wise, there are many channels these days who lazily regurgitate the marketing material, shoot pretty A and B roll, and call it a day. Pathetic! That's why your videos are so useful. Whilst many might have a higher subscriber count than yours, just know they don't have the legs or the knowledge to sustain themselves, whilst your videos will only get better as your experience grows. Keep it up man.
The stuff in Noizie's video is a complete dealbreaker for me. Thank you for bringing all of this up. I really don't think the HeyGears closed system is worth what they think it's worth. I moved to a new city, packed up my printer, unpacked it a month later, set it up, poured some resin, and printed a perfect plate of prints. It just works. Also, boo to the submerging build plate. Come on guys, this is a solved problem.
I mean, i can freely call out someone that as always complained about proprietary anything,but suddenly proprietary resin from heygears was a non issue.... It's very fishy
It is a non issue, when you buy a specialized machine that offers reliability as its main selling point don't be suprized when they want you using very specific resins, you can brake the warranty and use your own resin if you are so confident it won't cause issues.
@@miguellopez3392 It isn't a non issue. It would be like buying an HP printer you can only use expensive HP paper on when standard printer paper would work just fine because it is all the same stuff. There isn't a magical formulation that HeyGears has concocted; newsflash, it is all pretty much the same stuff in the resin bottle. Also, it would benefit the resin community more to see easy resin calibration features, like the Saturn 4 Ultra's, than to see proprietary resin. What happens if that resin suddenly stops being made? Or there's a shortage? You're up the creek without a paddle.
@@miguellopez3392 using a different resin won't damage the printer or anything like that, that's bs, the only reason to limit the resin settings is so they can sell the printers at low margins and make their real money from resin, it is what it is
@@miguellopez3392 This right here IS A DUMB STATEMENT and the very reason Printers started making their customers use their exclusive ink. its also the same mindset that has ruined gaming.
@@awildtomappeared5925 "Low margins" in this case means double the price of the competition. Im startign to suspect a lot of pepole in this comment section get the 10% comission lol
Loved the video would appreciate a behind the scenes type of video showing the whole process all manufacturers require from you if they give you the printer
Literally all I say is I'm happy to accept free shit if and only if its with zero strings/no commitments. Sending me things for these companies is a lot like sending stuff into the void I imagine. This way I get to pick and choose whatever is interesting to me in the moment to work on, but it does mean a lot of companies aren't interested in working with my channel at all. Things they commonly ask for is control over the following: Video titles Descriptions Tags Preview and revisions before release Talking points I personally only like to relinquish any of these if its a brand deal and I'm getting a big fat guaranteed pay check, and I get to disclose in the video in no uncertain terms that its sponsored content and I'm being a paid shill.
@@cidercreekranch How did the online only time period affect you personally? Just curious how much time and money you lost because you couldn't print. Or do you even own a reflex and just follow a UA-camr that likes to cause drama?
@@theromeog You don't need to lose any time to know that an online-only mode is insanely anti-consumer and therefore something worthy of the harsh criticism it received.
@@topkekbieri the entire time I have owned a heygears system. The slicer has never stopped me from printing. How many prints do you have on your heygears? Just curious. Or are you just jumping on a bandwagon?
@@theromeog I am acknowledging anti-consumer behavior by Heygears and criticize it, as is my right. As a lifelong socialist/communist it's one of the things in the capitalist market i despise the most. But sure, keep shilling for them. If the printer works for you, that's fine - I didn't attack you as a user or the printer as a product and neither did the previous person so i don't know why you seem so triggered by people criticizing Heygears as a company. They're just that - a company and not someone you need to jump in front of to save them from gunshots lmao
What in your opinion is the bambu labs of resin printing ? Printing isn't my hobby the minis coming off the printer is. I want the most hands off experience possible
The big truth about resin printing is: There is no hands off. Your dealing with a potentialy dangerouse chemical and the funes it produces, you will always have to wirk woth it accordingly. The newer Elegoo and even more so the upgraded Anycubic M5Pro get you as close to the "out of the box" printing as you can get. Sensors to stop the machin from doing damage, LAN file transfer and calibration tools make them very beginer friendly. But you will always habe to wear glovey, mask and eye protection and work in a ventilated Arrier. You either deal with resin, or jist get a Bambulab. Slower, bit the quality is good enough for printing and you neeed way less safty prep
Yeah what @yoschiannik8438 said ☝️ It will take an entirely different kind of machine to have a "Bambulab" or resin 3D printing. The thing about resin printing as it currently exists in the consumer market, is it's always been super plug and play when you compare it to FDM (pre Bambulab). One of the observations frequently made by folks jumping into resin after fdm is just how much easier it is to get good prints, because you don't ever have to faff with settings once you have your print profile. And the same was true going the other way, resin users would be horrified to discover how much more complicated FDM printing is when trying out that technology. Now in this post-Bambulabs world the tiny bit of faff that comes with resin printing feels archaic compared to FDM printing. It's kind of amusing and fascinating how the sentiment flipped so rapidly.
I’m not going to name other UA-camrs but I was thinking about you. You were very often referred to as go check out but since you put the video out I’ve not heard your name once which is a shame Keep doing what you’re doing as I love it
If i could give Heygears any advice, i'd say open up the slicer settings... HOWEVER lock the ticketing system for support to prints done with their default profiles. So if you want to have the benefit of that all round closed Heygears eco system you still can, but if you want to go off the beaten path and start messing with stuff, then you're on your own. To me that's the best of both worlds.
Yeah I reckon that could do it. When you submit a ticket you pick the print job you're referring to from a drop down menu, so if you were using a custom print profile they would see that.
"Fan at idle sounds a bit haggard" >Soviet-era troopship chugs past "Also, there's an annoying whine" >Hears nothing. At least I got that going for me.
5:56 well, those numbers clearly explains why someone who like to talk for 5 minutes straight in each video about he's not being sold out to anybody praises heygears so much
@@OnceinaSixSide And you make great videos. I appreciate your take on the hobby in general and I’ll be honest I cancelled my RS preorder because of your initial review. I went with the GK3 Ultra instead up until that launched with a ton of issues. Decided to go back to the RS once I better understood my use case and accepted the limitations of owning a HeyGears printer. Keep making quality content. Sorry I didn’t use your affiliate link 😅 Also, one small tip but the fan noise you commented on goes away after you install the first update.
I really appreciate your disclosure about the profitability of affiliate links. I have felt for a long time that the youtube 3d printer review market was long bought and paid for. Reviews were just too good. In fact the shilling on Greedy3d's channel about the Heygears was just so blatantly gushing I un-subbed and after a bunch more deliberation just went and bought one of the uniformation 3 range. While Greedys video was the final nail in the coffin for my decision on Heygears, I was really on the fence about how they came out of the gate with their super locked down and gated software approach. While its good they backed down (a bit) due to community pressure, its really just a matter of time before they try again.
All the other scummy practices aside, the auto-fill would be a great feature if it worked properly. The reason for using an inverted tank, is so that the fluid level stops the resin from dumping into the basin when it reaches a pre-determined level, then slowly feed out as it is consumed. Sounds like they got the engineering wrong on the bottle size, resin bath depth, and release plunger - too-small of a bottle, sitting too high from the top level of the bath, with not enough depth at the plunger to create the air lock. You're absolutely right about needing to see through a window in the bottle somewhere, or to have a sensor that can tell you, "hey dummy, swap bottles." Luckily, this isn't something that can be patented, since the technology for air locked drain feeds has been around for centuries, so anybody can decide to integrate this feature properly in the future. I'd love to see it, because the less you have to manually fuss with highly toxic resin, the better.
@@miguellopez3392 lychee allows you to enable and store history and does it overly loud, to the point that i had to disable history because it's f annoying
In a very early patch, they added a button called platform reset on the print screen, and in the blueprint app, they have a couple of full bed rafts you can add as an extra part.
One thing about resin printing I have always questioned.... Why isn't clear resin the default option? Like.... Wouldn't that help immensely with curing the model properly? Since the light can penetrate the entire print?
Thanks for making these videos, I was really unsure about heygears due to their proprietary resins, etc. and your videos really helped me get more educated on the pros and cons the printers have, I haven’t ruled them out yet, but they are further down my want list, so thanks for helping me save some future headaches
I really wish people within the hobbyist/miniatures 3d printing space would STOP associating with heygears on any level. Their printers were designed for engineers and prototypes NOT minis. Their practices aren't toxic in the specific context of being for designers who want consistent results. In the hobbyist space we are an afterthought they are trying to break into because they saw money on the table. We were never their target audience and accepting them into our space will only serve to encourage other companies to follow suit with their anti consumer behavior.
I mean, it woukd take them no efford at all to open up the system and instantly becoming the king of mini printing. Also, they are very obviously advertising this as a mini printer, so it shoukd be no suprise that pepole thing that its meant to do that
@@yoschiannik8438 they are advertising it as a mini printer because they saw money on the table, not because they seriously want to enter the space as a competitor. I also reject the notion they would be kings of mini printing. There are far better companies and better printers. The features that differentiate these printers are pretty "meh" at best.
@antongunther3977 You cant exoect a community to diassociate with a product thats marketed towards them. Thats why videos like this that objectivly review them for this purpose are important. Else pepole will make uniformed decisions becouse the company lied to them
@@yoschiannik8438yes hobby level consumers aren't the brightest or most informed and thats the double edge sword when marketing professional gear to them, the informed ones won't buy it as they know they don't need it and the dumb ones are mad as they don't understand why the system cost so much and feel like they are being lied to or scammed because of their own lack of understanding of how important a ecosystem is to a workspace.
Honestly, my impression of heygears - talking to a local creator via discord - was that they genuinely love the machine.... but they also do a lot of designing/prototyping. They don't want to deal with supports or failures. And for that purpose I get it. Printing off 6 variations and deciding what to support and go with? Fair enough. For the sake of miniatures in ultra-tough (pun intended) resins, I don't see much in it. To prove a point I grabbed a printed tank track assembly (cover, tracks, internals, etc) and threw it on the concrete floor of the shed, I bent the edge of a track tooth. Oh no. I paid $40/KG on sale for it. Heygears wanting $108/KG for abs-like that can't handle that sort of abuse is... kinda sad.
31:55 pop-outs are literally the worst way to enter values into, they're fiddly, need excess scrolling, can't be easily found, and _always_ have irritating issues with closing if you interact with anything else just have a _settings page_ like all well designed apps do
A certain UA-camr does come to mind when you talk about HeyGears glazing... Which when they started doing that i immediately started distrusting their point of view
@@badboibubby1878 I would rather respect the wishes of our favorite Australian here and not start anything, but let's just say he's very popular and has been mentioned in this comment chain.
I still use my original Elegoo Saturn 4k, it is a workhorse and just does what it is meant to do.. print :D I prefer my new Elegoo Saturn 3 and that is purely because the Saturn 4k speeds is capped, the machine can't push any faster. While the Saturn 3 can shave an extra hour or two off a full print. But that is it, dial in your printer and it will be great, and if you hold off on newer printers replacement parts for older printers is far cheaper.
I was on the verge of considering HeyGears when I was considering getting into Resin printing. I already have an Ender 3 as my first little fdm printing then upgraded to a Sovol SV-06 Plus. Just like how I just didn't like Bambo printers and don't like being extremely limited in what products I can use in my printers.
27:00 you pay so much for printer and have those supports marks? I'm sorry, maybe thats just support settings but I would lost my mind having that kind of support marks
Its the Auto supports. If you use ore supported fikes you shoukd be fine. Support marks are not printer dependend. Youd get the same on any other printer if the stl is supported that way.
agree the bambu curated approach is the best of both worlds IMO. it gives easy mode to those who want and the dial in options for the rest. i also fully agree that they do not trust people
I wish I would have watched this video before purchasing. Although I have yet to have regrets (I haven't printed many projects yet.) , I'm thinking I could have benefited from being patient, but I fell into the trap of being convinced by UA-camrs that this was the "Bambu Labs" of resin printers. Time will tell I guess. I appreciate the honesty and effort in this video, thanks.
Don’t worry. This video is right to criticize HeyGears but went a bit too hard on the rhetoric. It’s a great printer. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
As usual a very good video. I want to reiterate the point here, HeyGears is not a company that used to aim at consumers. This is for companies (for example a dentist) that need to get a (accurate detailed) 3d model on the fast and inhouse. These people are not experts and this would only be a tiny part of their daily task. No thoughts are needed here, insert resin follow video guide, print and clean. Job done. HG just found out that some consumers are willing to pay top price for a prosumer/consumer product that is priced quite high2. And that is fine, let them. Other brands will follow suit on the 'features'. I would not be surprised that people wou buy this feel superior to us mono2 users. Its a branding an image thing, nothing more nothing less. **looks at anycubic mono, yes youre a good boy. yes you are!!**
Great video / was a good watch, I know people have to put food on the table but not at the expense of people's hard earned money compared to getting it for free and saying its great value. I really appreciate the transparency with your videos.
Honestly, I don't see any appeal for this machine for an enthusiast at any experience level. This seems like a dental or prototyping printer that they are trying to sell to consumers. Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between it and an elegoo or even an anycubic. So why would I put up with an inkjet style company for the privilege of paying more money for a more ergonomic elegoo/anycubic?
I like that your video was able to push them to convert their slicer to be offline use compatible. The fact that they did it in 3 days means that it was purely restriction they created.
@@Speakhardly Fauxhammer called fir it, after he git hammered by the community fir not mentioning it and spreading bs in a hasty stream to safe face. OASS can absolutly take credit on this
Yeah as far as I'm aware I'm the only one who ever called it out, and the backlash on HG and (unfortunately) other content creators was large enough that they quickly made an announcement that it was coming. I watched an ungodly amount of videos on HeyGears machines, and scrolled a mountain of HeyGears posts and discussions to make sure I had all the facts straight for this one.
@@OnceinaSixSide Good to know we have sb strictly on consumers side. I feel like the paces of innovation have been wildly different on resin printers and that kind of harms the norm of whats expected from the products. One day we'll have truly open and plug and play systems. Lychee slicer profiles have been a life saver for me for example. First print ever on first machine worked out amazingly with a full build plate.
I wonder if it would be helpful to look at the problems that are quantitative and qualitative. Printers can always work faster and more accurately, but changes like exposure to resin are large changes that are needed too
if their commission rate is so high, well, i doubt they'd me making a _loss_ on each printer, so, that begs the questions, how BIG is their profit margin on these machines?, and _what is it costing the product, quality-wise?_
and the three things you mention in how it affects creators, they won't necessarily be _intentionally_ done, or even be that obvious, but just a slight bias
I knew this printer and company was never going to be for me when I saw no less than four "independent" reviewers all refer to it the same way and use all the same talking points. Ironic considering one of those points was to constantly refer to it as "the Bambu of resin." Another printer and company I will never buy. "Influencer marketing" is pathetic. Make a good product. It will sell itself. When you gotta pay people to shill it for you, it's not good.
I really appreciate what you’re doing with your criticism here. However, I do think that you’re kinda missing the point with some of HeyGears features. As someone who makes my own designs, the auto-support functionality and pre-tuned resin settings are great. The smart features are better for dimensional accuracy, which also sometimes comes in clutch. There are subtle interactions with print settings where you kinda do benefit from HeyGears smart features and pre-tuned settings. Now that doesn’t mean that HeyGears shouldn’t have a more manual settings mode in Blueprint Studio but I do think that the ”marginal” benefits you’re talking about can have an impact for pro users.
He does mention that its usefull for designers. The problem is that HeyGers advertisment dosent traget designers, but normal mini printing enthusiasts who dont need that stuff.
As I pointed out in this video though, everyone can benefit from HeyGears Blueprint automatic supports regardless of the printer they use, if they want to. My second HeyGears video I did a very boxy and angular hover speeder vehicle thing that had a lot of straight lines and it was just like any other resin print. Imperfect joints that needed a bunch of gap filling. I hear what you're saying but I'm just not seeing how the smart stuff is creating any noticeable benefit here in the final results. Maybe it's a miniatures thing and only the pros will benefit from it, as you say.
Yeah I have no interest in Heygears. Give me a nice affordable Anycubic or Elegoo -- even their relatively high end models are cheaper than this and just work great. Resin printers just don't seem to be a place where spending a lot of money gets you very much. Even in the FDM world, the A1 series is the perfect printer for 95% of people and its very affordable. Anything over the price of like an S4U or M5sPro is just throwing away money for basically nothing.
Not everyone needs to nor wants to play around with slicer settings or resin testing, and they just want or need or can afford appliance level reliability. Choice is good, let the market decide!
@@Sebastian-fn1qg Literally dozens of videos out there where folks have subbed in other resins, played a tiny bit, and found regular market resins that work just as well as the proprietary ones. The ONLY thing that would brick the machine is for the slicer to be online only forever.....and go dark.
I understand your thinking but unfortunately that's not how resin works. No one wants to but in fact NEEDS to play around with slicer and resin testing. It's material physics. It's behaviour changes relative to the environment it exists in. Unless you live in an area that has the same environmental conditions all day, everyday, all year round, then your going to get varied results even with the pre configured hey gears stuff. There is plenty of data on printer / resin combinations out there but you still need to fine tune the setting for the reasons I mentioned above. The size and weight of the model being printed also influence the settings. You simply can't have static settings for everything, even on the same printer with the same resin, and expect perfect results. It looks like a good quality printer but they are marketing an illusion to justify a closed system to people who don't understand the nuances of resin printing.
Great video as usual - it's so frustrating when great hardware gets locked down behind proprietary crap like this. It reminds me of the new BMW approach of requiring a subscription to enable heated seats in your car. Completely unrelated, you mentioned in a previous video what the tray you use for post processing was, but I can't remember what it was. Could I be rude and ask again what it is?
Of course, its this thing here bit.ly/oiass_saucer That BMW thing is scary indeed, and yeah this HeyGears system creeps a little too close to that for my taste as well.
Excellent info. I currently own several Anycubic printers from the m5s, m7pro, m7max, and decided to add a mono 4 ultra. Not to mention elegoo s3u. They have all been absolutely great. Therefore, I have no reason or intention on buying into the heygears rip off bs.
45:35. Can’t people such as yourself just share all of those print profiles for all kinds of different resins that you just said you’ve got tons of? Isn’t it as easy as people in the community sharing it with the rest of the community?
But the print profiles that he has created are configured for his print farm step up, temperature ect. they would prob not work in my garden shed setup. I think the message it that just learn how to calibrate the resin you are using yourself.
@@surlycanadian Thats exactly what he is critizizing about the HeyGers Machin. If your particular set up is doffrent from what HeyGears calibrated their resins for, youre just fucked. You just cant change anything for yourself. Calibrating your resin is not that much efford. 1 ir two prints just dont matter compared to the total you will end up pronting
Your still using the metal scraper to remove tge prints. Im telling ya, the plastic scraper works better. If you use rafts with the angles edges, the curved bevel on the edge on the plastic scraper levers the raft off the build surface with very little force. Try it. Prove me wrong.
I'm new to all this printing thing and I bought the regular Rolex not so much for the reviews but for the features. I do think though that HeyGears should consider getting resin producers to pay them to add their resins as an option with HeyGears taking a cut. Then HeyGears could just focus on making the best machines on the market much like Apple does with their iPhones.
Exited to see this video. I got the RS last week and it has been amazing. No issues with the “closed” system - it keeps printing great miniatures with minimal fuss.
@@magikarp2063 you can gamble that one if the profiles is close enough to a outside system resin and then pray that HEY Gears dosent change it in the middle of a project. So you can brake the closed system if you want, its just very scuffed. As i see it HEYGEARS sells luxury printers for pepole who have the money to not feel the issues of the closed system. Elgoo Anycubic and co are more budget friendly
I’ve been using Sunlu High Toughness resin and got the same great print results as with their included PAS10 resin. It’s not that closed of a system. And I’ve been switching between both resins without the need to recalibrate.
Its a profesional printer meant for designers, that is advertised to mini painters becouse the company wants money. Jist biy a Anycubic or Elegoo printer and your better off
I have a Anyqubic photon se printer and a mono x which I only now i have had to replace the LCD screen it's a workhorse and my smaller photon SE I just love these printers there is no fancy gadgets or built in detection system it just does what it is ment to do print amazing detailed STL files. I think the manufacturers are trying to hard to out do each other I bought a Anyqubic mono 6ks printer and returned it back to Anyqubic in less than a week a piece of garbage it took 4 hours to print a 28mm figure and would not except any other slicer that the pre installed and on the sd stick it was noisy slow and after ever print would have a meltdown iv I didn't activate the clean the vat function. I was hoping this would be a good investment but turned out to be a lump of over technical garbage my older printer went on to carry the flag so to speak.
Other companies do often offer resin settings in their slicers for their resins. HOWEVER the machines are simply not uniform enough, I tested my saturn 3 ultra and the uv uniformity was 8.5x worse than the 92% advertised at just 32% !!!! that means the darkest area is 1/3 the intensity of the brightest, how on earth can they make accurate exposure profiles when a single printer varies that much. J3d has tested his s3u and found similar results, we have tested other printers too which are all much better than that crap but still about 2x worse than advertised, most being about 70-85% uniformity. The heygears however actually does get above 90% uniformity because they do a 60 point uv map on every machine and also sell a sensor so you can update this map.
Thanks for pointing this out. I think HeyGears should advertise these kinds of things more. They’re strangely not getting credit for some of the high quality solutions they put in their printers, while trying to get credit for example for speed, which doesn’t really make much sense.
God yes, the light uniformity especially of elegoo machines is just atrocious, my S3U was similar. It's definitely a thing I'd love to see covered more in these reviews.
Nice video. Though… are you maybe taking a bit too much credit for calling out HeyGears about the online-only slicer? You certainly weren’t the only one to complain about it.
Hey at the very least was a big part of it. Basicly he made the video, and suddenly another Reviewer by the name of FauxHammer got hammerd for not mentioning it, even had to do an emergency stream to adress the alligatioks that he was a shill. 3 days after the original video got realised HeyGears announced that they will add a ofline mode. OIASS was defenatly a major oart of that change, at the very least
I watched every single video, and read every single post on Reddit and Facebook before my last video. There are users who asked about it (and were told it's not possible) as I showed in this video, but not one single other content creator ever mentioned this. The blowback from my video pointing that out was so bad for HG, and (unfortunately) some fellow UA-camrs that HG just three days later for the first time publicly acknowledged they would be addressing the issue. I don't like sitting here and having to point out that I'm responsible for this, but the fact they were successful in blurring the truth so quickly I feel I have no choice.
You come across as a wolly by being 'that guy. It's a fruit that is found in a few Asian countries. In Cantonese, which I believe is where the word originates (could be wrong) is pronounced Lie-chee, or close to it. Mandarin it's closer to Lee-chee as you suggest. In English, both British and American it is Lai-chee, basically Lie-chee. Australia and most commonwealth nations will pronounce it the same. The reason people correct to say Lee-Chee, or actually as the founder calls it 'Litchi' is due to him being French, and thus that's how they pronounce it in France. Trying to get the rest of the world to pronounce it the French way when it's not a French word isn't going to happen.
@@JohnJones-oy3md Congratulations to them, but they don’t get to decide how people pronounce a word they didn’t create, and is globally pronounced different, sport.
I’m new to the hobby. Haven’t purchased anything yet but will definitely be buying something from Heygears when I do pull the trigger. Couldn’t give a fuck about resin, slicers, cloud service etc. nothing ever listed by anyone in this space as a negative bothers me
The propablem with HeyGears is that you pay a shit ton of money for a printer you might not be able to use someday becouse the company behinde it made a mistake
@@surlycanadian If Elegoo goes Bankrupt, i can use SunLu resin no problem. If HeyGears servers got hacked, your printer would have been bricked a few weeks ago. If they push a fpulty updated with the resin profiles, you cant print till they fix it. No other printer has that issue. If their Resin gies out of oroduction, you cant use the machin as intended, relyong on other resin being close enough. And again, the stuff you buy from HeyGears is twice as expensive than the competition, with no big benefit. Is savong one or two calibration prints worth 400 bucks to you? Do you want minis that are "good enough hopefull"? Do you want to use terribale auto supports meant to help mini designer to do quick test prints that leave massibe scarrs? Then sure, HeyGears is exactly what you are looking for!
G'day ol son....Bloody Rippa of a vid m8, in a way you tore Haygears a new Ass-hole🤯, i love how open an exposing you are with your "delicate, gentle" Aussie Attitude, to this Mastepiece of video Infotainment🧐. Big Cheers from A M8 Downunder🙃
I WISH more people would talk about this when talking about Bambu labs and their closed loop system. I hate that shit, and folks wonder why I don't like that company. Give me Creality, Sovol, even Flashforge any day with open source.
so you have proof that your video is the reason they changed? And you have proof that there was never a roadmap to make it done? Sounds a bit narcissistic.
Hey literally shiwed the screenshots if their support staff telling him that there will be no offline mode. Maybe watch the video before you start complaining...
@yoschiannik8438 the support staff twlling him their will be no offline mode does not mean they changed because of him, ive seen people tell these stafff members to add super easy features and get completely ignored.
Can you imagine after this video OIA6S became heygears top earning affiliate for a month? Id laugh my ass off, if anyones gonna buy one lets make it happen😂
Oi. Psst. Like the video 🍻
and gimme the cashhhhh
fuck, yeah, orright then
This whole situation definitely feels like they're trying to capture the market, and turn 3d printers into the nightmare that is normal, 2d printers, with their exclusive inks and other anti-consumer nonsense
you mean formlabs...
This.
Never trust a company
Including the "once in six side" company??
@@porrepokemon currently the once in a six side company benefits from being reputable to an audience so it could be argued they can be trusted... For the moment, but such a decision needs to be reviewed and revised constantly.
@@porrepokemon He's not a company in that sense though?
He's not profiting off of selling us a product other than the content we can freely choose to support?
@@porrepokemon Yes including influencers - a company is only as good as its last product. It is on us a consumers to research what we buy and adjust our spending accordingly if needed. That said until now OIASS has made good produce.
i trust one company, the company of dogs
Honestly, even if they somehow produced the best product on the market, this whole "let's see what we can get away with until people complain loud enough" bs REEKS of corporatism. I work in software engineering and I can guarantee you translating an offline mode for that "online-only" bs was maybe a couple weeks' work (and that's if we include proper testing). You just know they'll keep trying to rip customers off as much as they can until there's enough complaints to pull back a bit, and for that kinda attitude, they can suck it.
Thanks for your video as always homie
I always appreciate how open and clear you are about your stance on products and your relationships with these companies. Doing UA-cam content can be a bit of a minefield, and I am glad that someone in the 3D Printer space is looking at things critically like this. Thinking about how things CAN get out of control is the best way to stop that from happening.
Great video, very informative and I appreciate your subscriber/consumer focus. I purchased both the Saturn 3 Ultra and Bambu A1 mini based on your reviews. Thank you. Not upgrading to a Heygears printer any time soon.
Being locked to their resin and all of their stuff is a really bad practice to set in our burgeoning hobby
It's because while they're trying to push into the hobby-level space with all of the recent influencer promotion, the proprietary resin and after-sales support is aiming more at the low end of the (semi-)professional market where that's more commonplace. Jewelry-makers, rapid prototyping, etc. See also Uniformation's machines. That's also where the price tag comes in; they're competing to undercut Formlabs ones that are 4x the price.
not necessarily, they just want to provide an easy to use option for people who don't want to do all their own resin settings and perfecting those. They can't do that if they don't know what resin their users are using, so they use their own to make sure it works for everyone. Besides, i've heard news they're looking into providing settings for other resins too, but that obviously takes a while.
@@TheSuperjort I print with jayo and Siraya tech with no issues in the printer.
Literally dozens of videos out there where folks have subbed in other resins, played a tiny bit, and found regular market resins that work just as well as the proprietary ones.
You aren't their market base though. Their main business is not creating printers for Dave and Joe who want to print mini's so they can play at the weekend.
Their main business is medical and dental prototyping, in those industries the user probably doesn't know or care what a bottle of Sunlu ABS-Like resin is. They use what they've been provided with, and in a lot of cases medical manufacturers lock their customers into using their stuff, for repeat revenue. This printer isn't even set at a hobby price, it's being targeted at hobbyist with more income (Whales) than the average person, hence the price and price of resin. People are getting angry that a product not for them isn't for them.
Our 'burgeoning' hobby has been around for decades, it was just not cost affective to sell to muggles like us until recently. Our hobby didn't create 3D printing, it just adopted it and not believes it's entitled to everything. We can't all afford a Range Rover or the fuel that goes into it, and we don't all have a right to one either.
25:41 ah the apple mentality of 'our way or _no way'_
You might not say that people were creating videos, downplaying things or exaggerating things. But I certainly do.
And I can name at least 2 other creators who absolutely did this, had a melty when being called out and then deleted problematic comments.
"No I get not paid to do this" is so awkward, when you think about the affiliate revenue... Man this makes my blood boil.
But again, just like the last heygears video you did, this is the reason I am watching you and not others anymore.
I found your channel about a week ago and have binged almost all your videos! Thank you so much for your knowledge and education! I can’t wait for my resin printer to come in!
Welcome! 😁🤘
i am genuinely amazed of the honesty and transparency in this video , you got my respect sir ! along a new subscriber
When I used to work in retail (Electrical/Electronics) we used to get SPIV's (Special Product Incentive Vouchers) basically a fancy name for commission. The biggest percentages came from companies that were struggling to shift their products, sometimes also working against a negative press event.
All ya have to do is look at how they got away with crap in the dental industry. Ya may get away with that crap in desperate industries but on the conventional market, they are just shooting them selves in the foot and showing their dirty underhanded business practices. This is really not a good idea on the consumer market. As I’ve been quoted saying before. “Over priced junk”.
Creator review wise, there are many channels these days who lazily regurgitate the marketing material, shoot pretty A and B roll, and call it a day. Pathetic! That's why your videos are so useful. Whilst many might have a higher subscriber count than yours, just know they don't have the legs or the knowledge to sustain themselves, whilst your videos will only get better as your experience grows. Keep it up man.
The stuff in Noizie's video is a complete dealbreaker for me. Thank you for bringing all of this up. I really don't think the HeyGears closed system is worth what they think it's worth. I moved to a new city, packed up my printer, unpacked it a month later, set it up, poured some resin, and printed a perfect plate of prints. It just works. Also, boo to the submerging build plate. Come on guys, this is a solved problem.
I mean, i can freely call out someone that as always complained about proprietary anything,but suddenly proprietary resin from heygears was a non issue.... It's very fishy
It is a non issue, when you buy a specialized machine that offers reliability as its main selling point don't be suprized when they want you using very specific resins, you can brake the warranty and use your own resin if you are so confident it won't cause issues.
@@miguellopez3392 It isn't a non issue. It would be like buying an HP printer you can only use expensive HP paper on when standard printer paper would work just fine because it is all the same stuff. There isn't a magical formulation that HeyGears has concocted; newsflash, it is all pretty much the same stuff in the resin bottle. Also, it would benefit the resin community more to see easy resin calibration features, like the Saturn 4 Ultra's, than to see proprietary resin. What happens if that resin suddenly stops being made? Or there's a shortage? You're up the creek without a paddle.
@@miguellopez3392 using a different resin won't damage the printer or anything like that, that's bs, the only reason to limit the resin settings is so they can sell the printers at low margins and make their real money from resin, it is what it is
@@miguellopez3392 This right here IS A DUMB STATEMENT and the very reason Printers started making their customers use their exclusive ink.
its also the same mindset that has ruined gaming.
@@awildtomappeared5925 "Low margins" in this case means double the price of the competition. Im startign to suspect a lot of pepole in this comment section get the 10% comission lol
Loved the video would appreciate a behind the scenes type of video showing the whole process all manufacturers require from you if they give you the printer
Literally all I say is I'm happy to accept free shit if and only if its with zero strings/no commitments. Sending me things for these companies is a lot like sending stuff into the void I imagine. This way I get to pick and choose whatever is interesting to me in the moment to work on, but it does mean a lot of companies aren't interested in working with my channel at all.
Things they commonly ask for is control over the following:
Video titles
Descriptions
Tags
Preview and revisions before release
Talking points
I personally only like to relinquish any of these if its a brand deal and I'm getting a big fat guaranteed pay check, and I get to disclose in the video in no uncertain terms that its sponsored content and I'm being a paid shill.
Sorry but these printers are 0/10 due to being locked systems, never allow 3d printer manufacturers to play an inkjet on us
Hard pass for sure.
4:00 I think they also saw FauxHammer get crucified by the community, and decided the collective hate towards that feature needed to be remedied.
I dropped FauxHammer for his attempt at justifying the online only mode.
@@cidercreekranch How did the online only time period affect you personally? Just curious how much time and money you lost because you couldn't print. Or do you even own a reflex and just follow a UA-camr that likes to cause drama?
@@theromeog You don't need to lose any time to know that an online-only mode is insanely anti-consumer and therefore something worthy of the harsh criticism it received.
@@topkekbieri the entire time I have owned a heygears system. The slicer has never stopped me from printing. How many prints do you have on your heygears? Just curious. Or are you just jumping on a bandwagon?
@@theromeog I am acknowledging anti-consumer behavior by Heygears and criticize it, as is my right. As a lifelong socialist/communist it's one of the things in the capitalist market i despise the most. But sure, keep shilling for them. If the printer works for you, that's fine - I didn't attack you as a user or the printer as a product and neither did the previous person so i don't know why you seem so triggered by people criticizing Heygears as a company. They're just that - a company and not someone you need to jump in front of to save them from gunshots lmao
What in your opinion is the bambu labs of resin printing ? Printing isn't my hobby the minis coming off the printer is. I want the most hands off experience possible
The big truth about resin printing is: There is no hands off. Your dealing with a potentialy dangerouse chemical and the funes it produces, you will always have to wirk woth it accordingly.
The newer Elegoo and even more so the upgraded Anycubic M5Pro get you as close to the "out of the box" printing as you can get. Sensors to stop the machin from doing damage, LAN file transfer and calibration tools make them very beginer friendly. But you will always habe to wear glovey, mask and eye protection and work in a ventilated Arrier.
You either deal with resin, or jist get a Bambulab. Slower, bit the quality is good enough for printing and you neeed way less safty prep
Yeah what @yoschiannik8438 said ☝️
It will take an entirely different kind of machine to have a "Bambulab" or resin 3D printing.
The thing about resin printing as it currently exists in the consumer market, is it's always been super plug and play when you compare it to FDM (pre Bambulab).
One of the observations frequently made by folks jumping into resin after fdm is just how much easier it is to get good prints, because you don't ever have to faff with settings once you have your print profile. And the same was true going the other way, resin users would be horrified to discover how much more complicated FDM printing is when trying out that technology.
Now in this post-Bambulabs world the tiny bit of faff that comes with resin printing feels archaic compared to FDM printing. It's kind of amusing and fascinating how the sentiment flipped so rapidly.
I’m not going to name other UA-camrs but I was thinking about you. You were very often referred to as go check out but since you put the video out I’ve not heard your name once which is a shame Keep doing what you’re doing as I love it
If i could give Heygears any advice, i'd say open up the slicer settings... HOWEVER lock the ticketing system for support to prints done with their default profiles. So if you want to have the benefit of that all round closed Heygears eco system you still can, but if you want to go off the beaten path and start messing with stuff, then you're on your own. To me that's the best of both worlds.
Yeah I reckon that could do it. When you submit a ticket you pick the print job you're referring to from a drop down menu, so if you were using a custom print profile they would see that.
I think it would be great if creators said they've signed a contract with the company. Just so you know it's an edited review going into things
Yep, I really would love to see more transparency here on YT
"Fan at idle sounds a bit haggard"
>Soviet-era troopship chugs past
"Also, there's an annoying whine"
>Hears nothing. At least I got that going for me.
5:56 well, those numbers clearly explains why someone who like to talk for 5 minutes straight in each video about he's not being sold out to anybody praises heygears so much
I would love to see alittle behind the veil of how these companies operate with you guys. Knowing 10% is cool to hear.
I bought one and am very happy with it.
It is a great printer!
@@OnceinaSixSide And you make great videos. I appreciate your take on the hobby in general and I’ll be honest I cancelled my RS preorder because of your initial review. I went with the GK3 Ultra instead up until that launched with a ton of issues. Decided to go back to the RS once I better understood my use case and accepted the limitations of owning a HeyGears printer.
Keep making quality content. Sorry I didn’t use your affiliate link 😅 Also, one small tip but the fan noise you commented on goes away after you install the first update.
i just got a bambulab p1s and im sitting here WISHING they would have a stab at resin printers, haygears is no Bambu that for sure
14:01 he is not lying by the way, the Discord truly is amazing
Fyi, they added the ability to adjust the burn in layer in menu
Good on you for being so open about your own affiliate income. I think you did a great job being fair and thought-provoking in a balanced way.
Thanks Mr Frazzled, this certainly wasn't an easy topic to tackle.
I really appreciate your disclosure about the profitability of affiliate links. I have felt for a long time that the youtube 3d printer review market was long bought and paid for. Reviews were just too good. In fact the shilling on Greedy3d's channel about the Heygears was just so blatantly gushing I un-subbed and after a bunch more deliberation just went and bought one of the uniformation 3 range. While Greedys video was the final nail in the coffin for my decision on Heygears, I was really on the fence about how they came out of the gate with their super locked down and gated software approach. While its good they backed down (a bit) due to community pressure, its really just a matter of time before they try again.
All the other scummy practices aside, the auto-fill would be a great feature if it worked properly. The reason for using an inverted tank, is so that the fluid level stops the resin from dumping into the basin when it reaches a pre-determined level, then slowly feed out as it is consumed. Sounds like they got the engineering wrong on the bottle size, resin bath depth, and release plunger - too-small of a bottle, sitting too high from the top level of the bath, with not enough depth at the plunger to create the air lock. You're absolutely right about needing to see through a window in the bottle somewhere, or to have a sensor that can tell you, "hey dummy, swap bottles." Luckily, this isn't something that can be patented, since the technology for air locked drain feeds has been around for centuries, so anybody can decide to integrate this feature properly in the future. I'd love to see it, because the less you have to manually fuss with highly toxic resin, the better.
Girly man's rowboat is easily the best presupported file I've printed 🤙
is this the new spyware addition where they keep logs on your prints? Thats why they want you to login
Lychee slicer does this as well but no one complains.
i'm sure your latest Cults3d army is safe from prying eyes.
@@theromeog lol hell no, you know how much marketing data you can get by logging what people print and how?
@@miguellopez3392 lychee allows you to enable and store history and does it overly loud, to the point that i had to disable history because it's f annoying
Man I wouldn’t have sprayed ISO next to a full vat of resin. That was ballsy.
Fuck emptying that vat first 😂
In a very early patch, they added a button called platform reset on the print screen, and in the blueprint app, they have a couple of full bed rafts you can add as an extra part.
One thing about resin printing I have always questioned.... Why isn't clear resin the default option? Like.... Wouldn't that help immensely with curing the model properly? Since the light can penetrate the entire print?
Thanks for making these videos, I was really unsure about heygears due to their proprietary resins, etc. and your videos really helped me get more educated on the pros and cons the printers have, I haven’t ruled them out yet, but they are further down my want list, so thanks for helping me save some future headaches
I really wish people within the hobbyist/miniatures 3d printing space would STOP associating with heygears on any level. Their printers were designed for engineers and prototypes NOT minis. Their practices aren't toxic in the specific context of being for designers who want consistent results. In the hobbyist space we are an afterthought they are trying to break into because they saw money on the table. We were never their target audience and accepting them into our space will only serve to encourage other companies to follow suit with their anti consumer behavior.
I mean, it woukd take them no efford at all to open up the system and instantly becoming the king of mini printing.
Also, they are very obviously advertising this as a mini printer, so it shoukd be no suprise that pepole thing that its meant to do that
@@yoschiannik8438 they are advertising it as a mini printer because they saw money on the table, not because they seriously want to enter the space as a competitor.
I also reject the notion they would be kings of mini printing. There are far better companies and better printers. The features that differentiate these printers are pretty "meh" at best.
@antongunther3977 You cant exoect a community to diassociate with a product thats marketed towards them. Thats why videos like this that objectivly review them for this purpose are important. Else pepole will make uniformed decisions becouse the company lied to them
@@yoschiannik8438 I meant that consumers should shun the company and that content creators should refuse Heygear's money for ads.
@@yoschiannik8438yes hobby level consumers aren't the brightest or most informed and thats the double edge sword when marketing professional gear to them, the informed ones won't buy it as they know they don't need it and the dumb ones are mad as they don't understand why the system cost so much and feel like they are being lied to or scammed because of their own lack of understanding of how important a ecosystem is to a workspace.
Thanks bud ✌ Hot take, fuck affiliate programs 👀
Haha yeah man, but that bag is too good not to take 🥲 I think affiliate programs are okay, just so long as we do a better job disclosing it all
@@OnceinaSixSide That would be a good start!
Would love to See your Take on the Uniformation GK3 and GK3 Pro
Honestly, my impression of heygears - talking to a local creator via discord - was that they genuinely love the machine.... but they also do a lot of designing/prototyping. They don't want to deal with supports or failures. And for that purpose I get it. Printing off 6 variations and deciding what to support and go with? Fair enough.
For the sake of miniatures in ultra-tough (pun intended) resins, I don't see much in it. To prove a point I grabbed a printed tank track assembly (cover, tracks, internals, etc) and threw it on the concrete floor of the shed, I bent the edge of a track tooth. Oh no. I paid $40/KG on sale for it.
Heygears wanting $108/KG for abs-like that can't handle that sort of abuse is... kinda sad.
31:55 pop-outs are literally the worst way to enter values into, they're fiddly, need excess scrolling, can't be easily found, and _always_ have irritating issues with closing if you interact with anything else
just have a _settings page_ like all well designed apps do
Never gonna buy that crap then.
A certain UA-camr does come to mind when you talk about HeyGears glazing... Which when they started doing that i immediately started distrusting their point of view
It’s good to name the glazers
Who?
Who?
Fauxhammer I’m guessing. He’s only short of mounting the printers and going to happy town in his videos
@@badboibubby1878 I would rather respect the wishes of our favorite Australian here and not start anything, but let's just say he's very popular and has been mentioned in this comment chain.
I still use my original Elegoo Saturn 4k, it is a workhorse and just does what it is meant to do.. print :D
I prefer my new Elegoo Saturn 3 and that is purely because the Saturn 4k speeds is capped, the machine can't push any faster. While the Saturn 3 can shave an extra hour or two off a full print.
But that is it, dial in your printer and it will be great, and if you hold off on newer printers replacement parts for older printers is far cheaper.
honesty is the best plan of action
I was on the verge of considering HeyGears when I was considering getting into Resin printing. I already have an Ender 3 as my first little fdm printing then upgraded to a Sovol SV-06 Plus. Just like how I just didn't like Bambo printers and don't like being extremely limited in what products I can use in my printers.
27:00 you pay so much for printer and have those supports marks? I'm sorry, maybe thats just support settings but I would lost my mind having that kind of support marks
Its the Auto supports. If you use ore supported fikes you shoukd be fine. Support marks are not printer dependend. Youd get the same on any other printer if the stl is supported that way.
@@yoschiannik8438 light supports, ultra density and 0.30 tip diameter and you have no marks, using this even on the biggest prints from M7 Max
agree the bambu curated approach is the best of both worlds IMO. it gives easy mode to those who want and the dial in options for the rest. i also fully agree that they do not trust people
Just all sounds too hard. I can't be bothered putting up with ANY BULLSHIT from a company.
The bottles are 1Kg, not 1L, that's why they fit. Resin is quite heavier than water.
I wish I would have watched this video before purchasing. Although I have yet to have regrets (I haven't printed many projects yet.) , I'm thinking I could have benefited from being patient, but I fell into the trap of being convinced by UA-camrs that this was the "Bambu Labs" of resin printers. Time will tell I guess. I appreciate the honesty and effort in this video, thanks.
Don’t worry. This video is right to criticize HeyGears but went a bit too hard on the rhetoric. It’s a great printer. I don’t think you’ll be disappointed.
If you have the money to look at the price tag and go "yes please, this is a fair deal to start this hobby" you should be fine
As usual a very good video. I want to reiterate the point here, HeyGears is not a company that used to aim at consumers. This is for companies (for example a dentist) that need to get a (accurate detailed) 3d model on the fast and inhouse. These people are not experts and this would only be a tiny part of their daily task. No thoughts are needed here, insert resin follow video guide, print and clean. Job done.
HG just found out that some consumers are willing to pay top price for a prosumer/consumer product that is priced quite high2. And that is fine, let them. Other brands will follow suit on the 'features'. I would not be surprised that people wou buy this feel superior to us mono2 users. Its a branding an image thing, nothing more nothing less.
**looks at anycubic mono, yes youre a good boy. yes you are!!**
Great video / was a good watch, I know people have to put food on the table but not at the expense of people's hard earned money compared to getting it for free and saying its great value. I really appreciate the transparency with your videos.
Thanks so much for not being a shill.
DO NOT GIVE AN INCH
Honestly, I don't see any appeal for this machine for an enthusiast at any experience level. This seems like a dental or prototyping printer that they are trying to sell to consumers. Honestly, I don't see much of a difference between it and an elegoo or even an anycubic. So why would I put up with an inkjet style company for the privilege of paying more money for a more ergonomic elegoo/anycubic?
I like that your video was able to push them to convert their slicer to be offline use compatible. The fact that they did it in 3 days means that it was purely restriction they created.
It wasn’t just his video. Fauxhammer was also calling for it, as well as others. This channel took a bit too much credit for it in this video.
@@Speakhardly ah gotcha
@@Speakhardly Fauxhammer called fir it, after he git hammered by the community fir not mentioning it and spreading bs in a hasty stream to safe face. OASS can absolutly take credit on this
Yeah as far as I'm aware I'm the only one who ever called it out, and the backlash on HG and (unfortunately) other content creators was large enough that they quickly made an announcement that it was coming.
I watched an ungodly amount of videos on HeyGears machines, and scrolled a mountain of HeyGears posts and discussions to make sure I had all the facts straight for this one.
@@OnceinaSixSide Good to know we have sb strictly on consumers side. I feel like the paces of innovation have been wildly different on resin printers and that kind of harms the norm of whats expected from the products.
One day we'll have truly open and plug and play systems. Lychee slicer profiles have been a life saver for me for example. First print ever on first machine worked out amazingly with a full build plate.
I wonder if it would be helpful to look at the problems that are quantitative and qualitative. Printers can always work faster and more accurately, but changes like exposure to resin are large changes that are needed too
i want to see someone hack these damn things and hook up a regular compressor to the system. i like the printers but they feel pompous about it.
Fun fact: Literally no one who has clicked on this video has finished it yet
I'm sure trying though!
I couldn't make it past the childish first 5 min of "Woah is me"
How to say ya don't know shit, with out saying ya don't know shit. What an ass hat.😆😅😂🤣
@@theromeog you really should.. its a great video.. but you do you.
Best video on this printer Ive seen so far!
if their commission rate is so high, well, i doubt they'd me making a _loss_ on each printer, so, that begs the questions, how BIG is their profit margin on these machines?, and _what is it costing the product, quality-wise?_
and the three things you mention in how it affects creators, they won't necessarily be _intentionally_ done, or even be that obvious, but just a slight bias
I knew this printer and company was never going to be for me when I saw no less than four "independent" reviewers all refer to it the same way and use all the same talking points. Ironic considering one of those points was to constantly refer to it as "the Bambu of resin." Another printer and company I will never buy. "Influencer marketing" is pathetic. Make a good product. It will sell itself. When you gotta pay people to shill it for you, it's not good.
I really appreciate what you’re doing with your criticism here. However, I do think that you’re kinda missing the point with some of HeyGears features. As someone who makes my own designs, the auto-support functionality and pre-tuned resin settings are great. The smart features are better for dimensional accuracy, which also sometimes comes in clutch. There are subtle interactions with print settings where you kinda do benefit from HeyGears smart features and pre-tuned settings. Now that doesn’t mean that HeyGears shouldn’t have a more manual settings mode in Blueprint Studio but I do think that the ”marginal” benefits you’re talking about can have an impact for pro users.
He does mention that its usefull for designers. The problem is that HeyGers advertisment dosent traget designers, but normal mini printing enthusiasts who dont need that stuff.
As I pointed out in this video though, everyone can benefit from HeyGears Blueprint automatic supports regardless of the printer they use, if they want to.
My second HeyGears video I did a very boxy and angular hover speeder vehicle thing that had a lot of straight lines and it was just like any other resin print. Imperfect joints that needed a bunch of gap filling.
I hear what you're saying but I'm just not seeing how the smart stuff is creating any noticeable benefit here in the final results.
Maybe it's a miniatures thing and only the pros will benefit from it, as you say.
Yeah I have no interest in Heygears. Give me a nice affordable Anycubic or Elegoo -- even their relatively high end models are cheaper than this and just work great. Resin printers just don't seem to be a place where spending a lot of money gets you very much. Even in the FDM world, the A1 series is the perfect printer for 95% of people and its very affordable. Anything over the price of like an S4U or M5sPro is just throwing away money for basically nothing.
Not everyone needs to nor wants to play around with slicer settings or resin testing, and they just want or need or can afford appliance level reliability. Choice is good, let the market decide!
Yes, but be careful. Companies really like to abuse the free market by all coordinating and limiting choices to maximize profit.
yes, until the company goes offline
@@Sebastian-fn1qg Literally dozens of videos out there where folks have subbed in other resins, played a tiny bit, and found regular market resins that work just as well as the proprietary ones.
The ONLY thing that would brick the machine is for the slicer to be online only forever.....and go dark.
I understand your thinking but unfortunately that's not how resin works. No one wants to but in fact NEEDS to play around with slicer and resin testing. It's material physics. It's behaviour changes relative to the environment it exists in. Unless you live in an area that has the same environmental conditions all day, everyday, all year round, then your going to get varied results even with the pre configured hey gears stuff. There is plenty of data on printer / resin combinations out there but you still need to fine tune the setting for the reasons I mentioned above. The size and weight of the model being printed also influence the settings. You simply can't have static settings for everything, even on the same printer with the same resin, and expect perfect results.
It looks like a good quality printer but they are marketing an illusion to justify a closed system to people who don't understand the nuances of resin printing.
Loved the video, Great points.
Great video as usual - it's so frustrating when great hardware gets locked down behind proprietary crap like this. It reminds me of the new BMW approach of requiring a subscription to enable heated seats in your car. Completely unrelated, you mentioned in a previous video what the tray you use for post processing was, but I can't remember what it was. Could I be rude and ask again what it is?
Of course, its this thing here bit.ly/oiass_saucer
That BMW thing is scary indeed, and yeah this HeyGears system creeps a little too close to that for my taste as well.
@@OnceinaSixSide Thanks to late night Christmas shopping at Bunnings, I just grabbed one of the trays. Thanks again!
regular updates are good and all... until they do a crowdstrike
Excellent info. I currently own several Anycubic printers from the m5s, m7pro, m7max, and decided to add a mono 4 ultra. Not to mention elegoo s3u. They have all been absolutely great. Therefore, I have no reason or intention on buying into the heygears rip off bs.
Rally Sport edition?
45:35. Can’t people such as yourself just share all of those print profiles for all kinds of different resins that you just said you’ve got tons of? Isn’t it as easy as people in the community sharing it with the rest of the community?
But the print profiles that he has created are configured for his print farm step up, temperature ect. they would prob not work in my garden shed setup. I think the message it that just learn how to calibrate the resin you are using yourself.
@@surlycanadian good point.. ☝️
@@AnotherNewManGaming then his whole spiel about the manufacturers releasing print files is meaningless
@@AnotherNewManGaming sorry about the double post. My first one didn’t @ you correctly and I wasn’t sure you were going to get a notification
@@surlycanadian Thats exactly what he is critizizing about the HeyGers Machin. If your particular set up is doffrent from what HeyGears calibrated their resins for, youre just fucked. You just cant change anything for yourself.
Calibrating your resin is not that much efford. 1 ir two prints just dont matter compared to the total you will end up pronting
I'd rather spring for the heated vat because of the pulse release module.
Your still using the metal scraper to remove tge prints. Im telling ya, the plastic scraper works better.
If you use rafts with the angles edges, the curved bevel on the edge on the plastic scraper levers the raft off the build surface with very little force.
Try it. Prove me wrong.
I'm new to all this printing thing and I bought the regular Rolex not so much for the reviews but for the features. I do think though that HeyGears should consider getting resin producers to pay them to add their resins as an option with HeyGears taking a cut. Then HeyGears could just focus on making the best machines on the market much like Apple does with their iPhones.
They still can't ship to my state so fuck em
Exited to see this video. I got the RS last week and it has been amazing. No issues with the “closed” system - it keeps printing great miniatures with minimal fuss.
Why is closed in quotations? Its a closed system when it comes to resin and settings is it not?
@@magikarp2063 you can gamble that one if the profiles is close enough to a outside system resin and then pray that HEY Gears dosent change it in the middle of a project.
So you can brake the closed system if you want, its just very scuffed. As i see it HEYGEARS sells luxury printers for pepole who have the money to not feel the issues of the closed system. Elgoo Anycubic and co are more budget friendly
Literally the definition of a closed system
@@broncofun5636 I’m using sirayatech with no issues in my RS. Crisp prints. No need to adjust setting imho.
I’ve been using Sunlu High Toughness resin and got the same great print results as with their included PAS10 resin. It’s not that closed of a system. And I’ve been switching between both resins without the need to recalibrate.
This machine seems like a big step backwards compared to other consumer printers in the market. IMHO
Its a profesional printer meant for designers, that is advertised to mini painters becouse the company wants money. Jist biy a Anycubic or Elegoo printer and your better off
I have a Anyqubic photon se printer and a mono x which I only now i have had to replace the LCD screen it's a workhorse and my smaller photon SE I just love these printers there is no fancy gadgets or built in detection system it just does what it is ment to do print amazing detailed STL files.
I think the manufacturers are trying to hard to out do each other I bought a Anyqubic mono 6ks printer and returned it back to Anyqubic in less than a week a piece of garbage it took 4 hours to print a 28mm figure and would not except any other slicer that the pre installed and on the sd stick it was noisy slow and after ever print would have a meltdown iv I didn't activate the clean the vat function.
I was hoping this would be a good investment but turned out to be a lump of over technical garbage my older printer went on to carry the flag so to speak.
They really are just incredible tools
Other companies do often offer resin settings in their slicers for their resins. HOWEVER the machines are simply not uniform enough, I tested my saturn 3 ultra and the uv uniformity was 8.5x worse than the 92% advertised at just 32% !!!! that means the darkest area is 1/3 the intensity of the brightest, how on earth can they make accurate exposure profiles when a single printer varies that much. J3d has tested his s3u and found similar results, we have tested other printers too which are all much better than that crap but still about 2x worse than advertised, most being about 70-85% uniformity. The heygears however actually does get above 90% uniformity because they do a 60 point uv map on every machine and also sell a sensor so you can update this map.
Thanks for pointing this out. I think HeyGears should advertise these kinds of things more. They’re strangely not getting credit for some of the high quality solutions they put in their printers, while trying to get credit for example for speed, which doesn’t really make much sense.
God yes, the light uniformity especially of elegoo machines is just atrocious, my S3U was similar. It's definitely a thing I'd love to see covered more in these reviews.
If it can be solved it 3 days the it was never an issue to begin with...
Or they were already working on it…
@@Speakhardly verefibly not
Oh trust me, the software engneers had a big "are you fucking seriouse!" moment. It took them more than 3 days to get that stuff running smoothly
3 days to announce it was coming, and I think about 6 weeks to implement it.
@@OnceinaSixSide that sounds more reasonable👍
These are a hard no for me, proprietary resin, and even though theyve changed the offline slicer, whos to say they wont 180 and go back.
Nice video. Though… are you maybe taking a bit too much credit for calling out HeyGears about the online-only slicer? You certainly weren’t the only one to complain about it.
Hey at the very least was a big part of it. Basicly he made the video, and suddenly another Reviewer by the name of FauxHammer got hammerd for not mentioning it, even had to do an emergency stream to adress the alligatioks that he was a shill. 3 days after the original video got realised HeyGears announced that they will add a ofline mode.
OIASS was defenatly a major oart of that change, at the very least
I watched every single video, and read every single post on Reddit and Facebook before my last video.
There are users who asked about it (and were told it's not possible) as I showed in this video, but not one single other content creator ever mentioned this.
The blowback from my video pointing that out was so bad for HG, and (unfortunately) some fellow UA-camrs that HG just three days later for the first time publicly acknowledged they would be addressing the issue.
I don't like sitting here and having to point out that I'm responsible for this, but the fact they were successful in blurring the truth so quickly I feel I have no choice.
Wow, I almost decided to buy one, but not if Heygears is such an ass.
Thanks for this Video.. You convinced me not to get a hey gears. Ill keep shopping.. looking to buy 4 or 5 resin printers
UA-camrs are _horrible_ about following the FTC's guidelines for American viewers.
10% holy moly
26:29 - Lee-chee
Cool. Now talk about how it's pronounced "jiff".
You come across as a wolly by being 'that guy.
It's a fruit that is found in a few Asian countries. In Cantonese, which I believe is where the word originates (could be wrong) is pronounced Lie-chee, or close to it. Mandarin it's closer to Lee-chee as you suggest. In English, both British and American it is Lai-chee, basically Lie-chee. Australia and most commonwealth nations will pronounce it the same.
The reason people correct to say Lee-Chee, or actually as the founder calls it 'Litchi' is due to him being French, and thus that's how they pronounce it in France. Trying to get the rest of the world to pronounce it the French way when it's not a French word isn't going to happen.
@@Drazimo The company Lychee pronounces it "lee-chee". No need for a dissertation, sport.
@@JohnJones-oy3md Congratulations to them, but they don’t get to decide how people pronounce a word they didn’t create, and is globally pronounced different, sport.
@@Drazimo You really have a bug up your ass about this, don't you? FFS, let it go and enjoy the holidays.
I’m new to the hobby. Haven’t purchased anything yet but will definitely be buying something from Heygears when I do pull the trigger. Couldn’t give a fuck about resin, slicers, cloud service etc. nothing ever listed by anyone in this space as a negative bothers me
The propablem with HeyGears is that you pay a shit ton of money for a printer you might not be able to use someday becouse the company behinde it made a mistake
@ you have described nearly every product ever created by any company. Who cares?
@@surlycanadian If Elegoo goes Bankrupt, i can use SunLu resin no problem. If HeyGears servers got hacked, your printer would have been bricked a few weeks ago. If they push a fpulty updated with the resin profiles, you cant print till they fix it. No other printer has that issue. If their Resin gies out of oroduction, you cant use the machin as intended, relyong on other resin being close enough.
And again, the stuff you buy from HeyGears is twice as expensive than the competition, with no big benefit. Is savong one or two calibration prints worth 400 bucks to you? Do you want minis that are "good enough hopefull"? Do you want to use terribale auto supports meant to help mini designer to do quick test prints that leave massibe scarrs? Then sure, HeyGears is exactly what you are looking for!
G'day ol son....Bloody Rippa of a vid m8, in a way you tore Haygears a new Ass-hole🤯, i love how open an exposing you are with your "delicate, gentle" Aussie Attitude, to this Mastepiece of video Infotainment🧐. Big Cheers from A M8 Downunder🙃
Cheers mate! 🍻
I WISH more people would talk about this when talking about Bambu labs and their closed loop system. I hate that shit, and folks wonder why I don't like that company. Give me Creality, Sovol, even Flashforge any day with open source.
you sound very sour to me
If a company pulled this much BS on me, id be sour too
Someone's gotta be over all this bullshit
so you have proof that your video is the reason they changed? And you have proof that there was never a roadmap to make it done? Sounds a bit narcissistic.
Hey literally shiwed the screenshots if their support staff telling him that there will be no offline mode. Maybe watch the video before you start complaining...
@@yoschiannik8438 the only complaining going on was him for the first 10 min of the video crying about heygears making him look stupid.
No public roadmap…
@yoschiannik8438 the support staff twlling him their will be no offline mode does not mean they changed because of him, ive seen people tell these stafff members to add super easy features and get completely ignored.
Didn't you see the screenshots in the video? Bit ignorant making a point and denying the evidence.
Can you imagine after this video OIA6S became heygears top earning affiliate for a month? Id laugh my ass off, if anyones gonna buy one lets make it happen😂
I would also laugh my ass off 😂