DCP Firing Range Ep. 46 - Is Renewal Grasp OP? (ft. PattyCakes)
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The damage reduction nerfs for Renewals were totally warranted, and fair... the cooldown change feels a bit harsh, like they turned the dial in the complete opposite direction.
Thank you Cammy for not acting like it’s affecting your pocket book. It became a loot playlist when it began to be exploited...just like comp. I honestly don’t understand the issue with that Titan helmet. When I see it, I put on ramparts and melt them behind their shield. Usually after they die once, they change exotics
I’ve been preaching/praying for ornaments to come back and some type of exotic emblems for trials. These cosmetics could be huge as it could show oh wow that person did something cool D1 did this it’s time for more incentive.
15:20 to 15:50 is my spirit animal. Mwf2 is the pinnacle loot drop of s tier nostalgia and I respect that was your "go to" era lmao
Great episode and patty was a great addition this episode!
Loved seeing Pattycakes! If we can't get him back, how about Castle or Kujay next?
I would farm the living daylights out of any true competitive playlist if I actually got something interesting from it. I’d love to see each major rank drop a special emblem or weapon ornament, then maybe wins at 5500 drop special crucible-themed armor ornaments. And I mean symmetrical, stylized, built armor crucible ornaments that flaunt the playlist symbols, not more track suits or space suits.
The problem is like always, they also need to give rewards for the lower-skilled players. These playlists are dead for a reason. And honestly i dont ever think the competitive playlists will ever give compelling loot as Trials does, and Trials has too many problems already.
And at the end, we dont wont broken weapons given as reward, we already went there with Luna's Howl/Not Forgotten and these were sold for 500-1000$ at some point. This was a big disgrace for Bungie and a lot of negative publicity from various articles.
Like Rocket League ranked, different cosmetics for each rank at the end of the season. Maybe this season helmets, next season chest and you get the reward for every rank below yours as well
I only engage in Trials to get weapons I want for the PvE activities I do. I got my Triple Tap/Vorpal Aisha’s weeks ago and haven’t gone into Trials since. I’ve never gone Flawless, so the glitch/feature weekend meant nothing to me.
Been maining void titan with OEM this banner and it feels op as hell with the constant overshields, I normally main warlock but the constant invis or OS spam annoyed me so decided to join in on the ''fun''. It's way too strong imo
Notice how Handcannon, pulses, and shotties get talked about more than scouts, ARs, pistols.
Its because those weapons see little to no play in "high end" PvP. Scouts get shut down by hand cannons and Fusions and shotties trivialize ARs, SMGs, and sidearms.
Yo...some of us have jobs and find the pve plenty challenging
They should make a speed run mode for strikes to give the higher end players something to chase...so I can complete my bounties
Nightfalls used to have timers way back when, it was awful ☹️ having rewards tied to completing in a certain time limits builds to only the most on meta stuff, nowadays we have a load of different builds we can try.
Piece of Mind even crept up on Messenger’s territory on console. Rapid-fires have been great for a while, and this one is excellent. Renewals are also a lot more rare over here on console, whereas LeMonarque Loreley’s is SO common.
I think bungie could fix a lot of these issues with balance if they gave us a bare bones primary only ranked playlist. Maybe charge abilities by kills like in momentum control. If you want balance you can go there, if you want destiny in all its glory go into quick play. That way there’s still only two main play lists and we don’t have to nerf all the fun stuff.
I appreciate this podcast so much. I'm a primarily pve player, and that isn't exclusive to Destiny. I've never been all that competitive and I've never been that good at pvp in any game mode I play. So I have pretty much zero perspective on the other side because I don't spend any time with it and my brain just isn't wired that way. Conversations like these help give me a much needed insight so thanks for doing them!
Drewsky is so right I love the scout/handcannon shotgun playstyle. But ass soon as it’s the weekend I’ll switch to fusion, or any other meta subclass that’s current That season. Honestly just care about playing with friends.
I've never seen Patty before, wow you do not look like I imagined.
I'm not even sure what I thought you looked like... Always weird seeing someone for the first time after just listening to them for a long time.
he look like luke smith
Piece of mind reminds me of clever dragon. 540 pulses have always been my favorite weapons. I also have a sunset headseeker/kill clip claws of the wolf
With the idea of leaderboards it would be a lot of fun if they borrowed the WoW idea and did like time trials where you can get extra loot for hitting certain time markers and there being rankings to see the fastest speeds like a top 10 leader board.
I like the idea of
" X amount of wins per weekend grants access to adept "
i think 50 is very high. i would say like 12-15, or every 10 you get 1 adept roll
That idea of worlds first of the weekend gets an emblem is very good
As someone who works over 60 hours a week, 50 is way too high.
To Cammy’s comments about PVE being a cake walk as is: I have friends that I like very much who struggle in PVE as is, they don’t need it to be anymore difficult. There are games that exist to be difficult, and that’s great, Destiny hasn’t ever been that game though.
I actually really enjoyed d2 year 1 countdown for trials. Love objective game modes. Wish they could look at valorant and csgo and atleast take some pointers
On PS5 I saw more loreley but def alot of renewal grasp, easily the top 2 most common exotic armor pieces imo
For a competitive environment within Destiny, Bungie has to decide to implement what they have done on the PVE side. Limited load outs for the season. Map pools, subclass pools, something like that. On top of that, and this may be hard to solve for, but no duplicate classes. If this is what makes Destiny’s sandbox obnoxious, just establish some limits. Something will always be an outlier but at least competitive can be a space where your collection of stuff can matter because of the limits. This is wiser for PVP than PVE, and Bungie has basically accomplished that on the PVE side.
If this is exclusive to Survival or objective based Elim, I think that could be positively received by the dedicated crucible community that wants a space focused on skill and a variety of them, and not all them all at once where only the outliers matter
The people that gate keep Trials loot probably get carried lol.
From my experience this is true
I would like to see them move towards cosmetic rewards for flawless. I think getting X amount of wins could give an adept, going flawless could give more adept drops with cosmetics that truly flaunt the fact that you went to the lighthouse. Flashy armor, trials weapon ornaments, sparrow, ship, ghost, emblem, shader, memento, anything you can think of. Maybe even require a confidence card to get adept drops without the flawless so you only have to go once in a season to be able to farm adept weapons.
Rethinking flawless is really the answer. It is inherently bad for population for you to need long win streaks to "succeed". It requires way too much losing by others for someone to win, and everybody thinks they wasted their time if they make it to the light house. I play solo and I don't go near Trials outside of freelance weekends, and I barely touch it then.
Pretty much the only part of Crucible I like is 6s. I would live in SBMM 6s list if it existed. Even though I'm a Crucible main, current trials is just a horrible experience.
Just bring back heroic strikes and strike specific loot . I always played pvp for fun so the metas / sweats never bothered me .
Love the idea of removing the Flawless condition for adept weapons. As a solo player my Trials KD is bad, then when I try to group up no one wants me because of said KD. It’s a viscous cycle. The one time I tried to beg for a carry, I got average players and we got stomped by streamer carries over and over. Not fun. I haven’t touched Trials all season.
They can't nerf the amount it costs for utility kickstart just for PVP when we need it more in PVE
The best thing that Bungie could do for me is give me a SBMM 6s. I miss having 6s with consistent opponents. I am a middle of the road player. 1.1 KD with or without SBMM, but I really hate playing a mix of Crucible Gods and bots. Competitive has better opponents, but I just don't really like 3s.
i'm a solo trials player and I usually do pretty good, but on freelance weekends I enjoy it 100x more than non because I dont have to worry about the 3 stacks at all. It ended up taking me 36 matches to get to 21 wins to finish all 3 chars which is a much higher percentage than I normally do. note I am a .85 kd average player so I am not great but not bad.
It makes pulses essentially do 10 less damage per Crit 🤷 so I guess it's OP
I have played some extensive Iron Banner session yesterday. 3 conclusions - why do I match with players from Russia, Czech Rep, or East Asia? I live in fuckin Michigan. No wonder I play with some teleporting fellas. Next, there should be no room for overpowered guns like Palindrome, Shayura’s. There is too big of a gap between those and other weapons in their respective categories, so why would I even try playing other guns? Finally, abilities in PvP have to be nerfed. It was decent before the Witch Queen, but Void 3.0 fucked everything up yet again.
also, great point made here. Bungie tends to solve the PvP balancing by the end of each season, to a certain degree, and then 2 weeks later we are bombarded with new op exotics and abilities. I though PvP was supposed to be focused more on the gunplan.
Drew's posterity video is legendary! Watch it!
Or don't, because it was removed. =(
Deepsight weapon on flawless is brilliant. Having a ranked playlist would be awesome! love all of these ideas.
I also fell like the whole prestiege/earning part of Adept Shayura's isn't really applicabble.
I can EARN 20 Shayura's and delete all of them, because the rolls are trash.
Someone else gets a god roll on their first flawless/fifth flawless/a carry service,whatever; you name it.
Did they EARN it more than me in that scenario, or even at all in the carry case?
No.
Just let people play and get loot, it makes the tedious and even bad games bearable, because you get a reward.
The whole prestiege thing was never there in D2 trials to begin with.
Drew’s audio went from too soft to clipping really hard. Lol
I've been saying it for a while now: Champions are a cheap and lazy way to change PvE season to season and the artifact only makes it worse because of the bad PvE sandbox balance. Scouts, sidearms, LMGs, fusions and GLs have been borderline useless in PvE that matters without a debuff mod for the longest time and there's absolutely no reason for any whole weapon type to not be a viable option in content that people actually do. Something being usable in patrol but nowhere else doesn't matter because people only go into patrol for seasonal challenges tied to patrol, to access activities in a new destination, and daily lost sectors for exotics and enhancement cores. Shoving champions into matchmade activities definitely doesn't help either because yea the champions aren't as tanky but being the only one that can stun unstoppables in Psyops when none of my friends are online is really annoying because if I don't do it we just stay in the respawn screen getting farmed and the activity lasts longer or we skip a champion because they're rushing and the rewards tank because of that. Don't get me started on gold runs of nightfalls because a champion spawned in a wall, fell off the map, or matchmade teammates ran past it so it despawned before I could kill it. It's infuriating. Yea Gambit has been a hot mess since launch, Crucible always has something broken and doesn't get enough love (SBMM, maps, Rotating playlists VS always being able to play the gamemodes you actually like), but PvE is nowhere near perfect. Entire subclasses see no play in PvE and they've actively made classes worse (EX: bubble) instead of buffing the useless classes. Like the moment matchmaking is off for nightfalls the tone shifts from braindead gameplay to sit in the back and stun+burstdown a champion and freeze everything with stasis turret or slowly addclear with whatever weapon can stun champions that season and has AOE. GLs see no use outside of blinding grenades, Fusions outside of res. burst now that the debuff mod is gone, pellet shotguns outside of one two punch, Slugs damage just got nerfed but only saw use because of hot swapping and vorpal, snipers outside of Izi. and maybe Whisper if you want to be different see practically no use, LMGs are dead, and most primary weapons are still bad in PvE either with bad damage or grossly inconsistent stunning with champion mods. I don't hate Destiny 2 but between the zero respect for player time and bad balancing across the board it makes it difficult to just enjoy playing a video game I used to love.
Calling cards (challenge emblems) would be so dope in D2.
With how broken every meta is I just don't see competitive ever being a thing it's been 7 years guys let it go.
Pattycakes is the champ
Castle or Aztecross next plz
I think Pattycakes wants halo in destiny for pvp. Everyone using exact same weapons with same rolls etc. I’m not on board with that. But it does seem like more cheese than ever lately. What’s the balance?
I personally think competitive game modes should be fixed weapons no abilities other than that let the power fantasy run wild
the balance is that there shouldn’t be anything disgustingly overpowered. destiny is not made to be competitive, but at the same time they can’t all the cheese go unbridled. ability spam is ok to face, but getting one tapped, by a body shot no less, from literally anywhere on the map, from someone doing it every 20 seconds, is not ok. that’s what the balance is. it’s about the emotional toll, something they specifically mentioned when they first needed stasis
@@clarkkent1616 anything can get out of hand. That helmet isn’t as good as boots of assembler. Boots of assembler allows the one shot and grants that to your whole team. Warlock radiant well boots of assembler and five team high impact sniper, la monarque etc etc. that is also up infinitely.
@@brigasm and these are all things that need to be toned down.
@@clarkkent1616 honestly probably right as long as it’s pvp only changes. They did good with stasis only in pvp. I guess my point is people will stop using that helmet most likely. They’re nerfing it anyway.
Yes let’s gooooooooo !😀🔥💪😎
Make Special weapon ammo from Boxes. Untill you spawn with any amount of special ammo it`s domination over primary will presist. Why payer would use primary, if he have access to shotgun every time he respawns outside trials.
Freelance trials made me come back to destiny pvp. First game was a solid win. Then I lost every single game. Probably 10 in a row. I quit then and I won't come back.
I stopped playing this game shortly after Witch Queen released but, I still like hearing people talk about their frustrations with it.
do you mind if i ask why you stopped playing and if you olan to return at a later time for whatever reason?
@@AtenSol12 The lack of matchmaking in this game is infuriating for one.
Also, I've become very bored. I've been playing for 7 years now and I'm just bored. I'm tired of chasing the same weapons of the same archetype.
I could go on but, what's the point?
I'm done with D2LFG. I'd consider going back if they add in matchmaking for the meaningful content in the game. Until then, no thank you.
@@crabbypatty10fefrefe Check the comments from Bungie, especially the PvP Twab this tuesday (5.500 words).
IMO they are going to do something something about matchmaking in the near future 100%, i guarantee it. There was already a major forum backlash recently.
Some top-tier player complained about matchmaking & a Bungie Dev (DMG) said that Bungie was wrong about trusting the top elo players for matchmaking & the negative comments about PvP are worse now than then SBMM was active. Lucky10PP has a video about the Dev Twitter comments if you want to see them.
Honestly though, D2's problem is that it is way too grindy, i foresee changes in the future (next season or seasons, next TWAB or w/e).
@@GeoGyf PvP is in need of changes yes. However, I am reffering to the LACK of matchmaking for high end content in PvE. I understand not having matchmaking for raids but, in my opinion there is no excuse to not have it in all other content. Destiny is not that deep. I'm done with D2 LFG. It's a nightmare
@@crabbypatty10fefrefe if D2 LFG is a nightmare, no matchmaking is going to be a disaster. Most people will not bring anti-champion weapons, they will not bring energy weapons to break shields and so on.
Some abilities suck ass, scatter is the worse change from pre WQ to WQ.
I disagree with cosmetics for high tier pvp. I don't play to look cute. There's animal cross and many other games to show off your wardrobes.
I want hard to aquire weapons. Everything is to easy to aquire. This is a freaking looter game. There should be extremely rare weapons. There's needs to be an actual chase.
No its not Renwal lorely and the warlock legs are not in anyway op dispite several of you "content creators" say so you arent the overlords of this game though you all try and act as if yall are
You guys have cool content and are great players but yall need to stop the screaming from the high hills everything is busted
OK, firstly, please use punctuation! It just all comes off like a giant pile of word jumble without it. Secondly, they aren't trying to act like 'overlords' of the game. They are offering opinions. Which they are fully allowed to do. If you disagree with them, fine, disagree. But it just sounds like you are trying to say they aren't allowed to say their opinions.
@@ballom101 apologies i was never good with punctuation
Theu are allowed opinions
But most "content creators" act as if they know whats best for the game when they dont
They have good ideas but a great number of them dont say it in jest or good natured
The difficulty of getting adept Trials weapons need to be brought in line with GM's. GM adepts are way way more accessible than Trials adepts. This is from someone who will never go flawless, yet I can complete most GMs.
I disagree I'm a solo player and I've obtained adepts from trials. It's the GM that I can't solo.
@@Scp-50780 yeah but you can't solo a flawless passage either. The solo GM players are like the Frostbolts of the world in PvP, except the solo GM players can give guide which can be followed, whereas being a PvP god doesn't translate to a guide, you either you are or you aren't.
How though? One is PVE with sequences and patterns while the other is PVP where players adapt and change tactics/loadouts on the fly. You can definitely solo towards flawless but it shouldn't be expected unless you're average and/or have a lot of time on your hands to roll the RNG dice for teammates.
@@daprotech I meant solo (no teammates) in response to the other person's comment.