Why is their such a big number of wives in the church having to step up and lead their families. I don’t know what it will take for men to see how important their Godly role is.
@@sofiabravo1994 Dodging the issue won't work here. You need to address how women have neutered men for generations and now have the nerve to wonder why men aren't men anymore. And let's stop pretending that Christians are any different than the world. They are basically the same at this point
@@sofiabravo1994 John MacArthur has an excellent sermon to explain; ua-cam.com/video/n8ncOf82ZJ0/v-deo.html Beginning at 13:39 he gives a clear answer and concludes with this: "As a result of the Fall, woman bears a curse in two areas. One, and it’s ubiquitous and universal: pain in childbearing. Secondly, a desire, because of her fallen heart, to upset the divine order of authority and submission, and to want to dominate her husband. This is the universal reality in marriage to one degree or another. The woman will desire to control, the man will have to rule over her. That’s as universal as pain in childbearing. It refers to a desire, a sinful desire to control. This is why there is constantly the effort of women to overthrow the authority of their husbands, or the authority of men in the culture."
I pray if the Lord calls/has called you into the role of a husband, He will give you discernment in how to lead your family according to the gifts He has given and grace for the weaknesses that He will use for His glory and to shower you in His mercy.
I've never known a man like you talk about Though I've always wanted a relationship alike and have prayed about Thank you you understand a woman I long for a beautiful husband you mentioned Amen
I’m 24, single woman. I’m currently learning what leadership from a man looks like. By learning what it means for a man to be a godly based leader to his wife and family, I receive more insight and encouragement on what being a wise woman, Godly woman and wife is to look like.
AMEN!!! Thank you so much for such a wise preaching on he headship of the husband Pastor John! I believe one of the biggest problems for men, yes even Christian men, is PRIDE! Setting aside pride and really learning how to humble themselves and respect the wife as a co-heir in the grace of God... Most men know for sure their wives have more superior gifts in certain areas but refuse to acknowledge or even tap those gifts or even consult their wives about certain things because they just want to do things their own way... Or pride manifested through lashing out every time the wife calls them out on certain unChristlike behaviors instead of (again) being HUMBLE about it, repenting and asking forgiveness... Hhhmmmm... That together with NOT having CONSISTENT INITIATIVE for GODLY and BIBLICAL things, I believe are the most Spirit-crushing, hurtful and frustrating things for a sincere godly wife...💔 It is indeed such a tall order for men to be the spiritual head in the family, but there's a wonderful guide for all godly men out there to make it easy for them - the BIBLE and the HOLY SPIRIT! All they need to do is STOP being so prideful, stubborn and self-centered and really SUBMIT to GOD and HIS commands... Im sure godly women (such as myself) love submitting to a strong godly earnest man, but it's extremely hard to submit to a spiritual head who's full of pride, arrogance, selfishness and anger especially because these go against he teachings of God and definitely NOT fruits of the Spirit... So I earnestly pray... May God bless all husbands and continue to transform them by the renewal of their minds to conform to CHRIST (in EVERY situation including those which are hard and requires them to sacrifice their pleasures) and NOT this world! And also may God strengthen wives and grant them continued love, patience and GRACE to submit first to GOD and then to their husbands even during the hardest times... All these I pray in Jesus name... AMEN🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@@hephzibah4675 I pray that the Lord may guide you and your husband in His commandments, put your trust in the Lord for He changes even the most stubborn of hearts 🙏🙏. (I do pray their is communication now since this comment is about a year old.)
This was awesome. I recently dealt with this topic with my fiancé but i didn't take it will. The way you laid it out was great and i appreciate your honesty and love towards all people's to having a stronger relationship with Christ but also having a strong Christian family.
Definitely get John Piper's book "This Momentary Marriage" if you haven't already gotten it. A lot of what he said in the video is also in the book, but with more detail. I pray your marriage will be blessed with God's grace and perseverance.
clgaines2006 at least u want to be a spirit leader, God bless your marriage and hope u can be worthy to serve her well and she can serve you with all she has :)
Love everyone unconditionally and forgive all things forever. Love all creatures, unconditional. And forgive all things forever. That is all required. 😊
Since the wife is to take her cues from the church, and the husband is to take his cues from Christ, it would seem that this explanation of Ephesians 5:21 was not talking about husbands and wives, telling them to submit to one another's _needs_ . The parallel passage, Colossians 3, says nothing of mutual submission--only wives submitting to husbands (verse 18) while showing the husbands loving the wives and children (verse 19). "Submit" was talking about _authority_ , despite the fact that the instruction was clearly that both roles were to show the love of Christ to one another.
Ezekiel 12:25 For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD. Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
I believe that there are a lot more. Are men who are married in this world? Than people could ever imagine or think of and I use those 2 very strong words. Because it is the women who. Complain the most about how men don't do or complete or attempt to complete their roles. As godly men, spiritual leaders in their marriages, homes with their children, etc. And I don't think there should be a question. That should be raised, why aren't men? Stepping up to the plate. And leading their families spiritually And a stabilized foundational family who worships and glorifies Christ. Rather, it should be an encouragement. For women to have Faith. And for men to be excited That they actually have an opportunity to reflect Christ in the home. To make a comment, "I don't know what it's gonna take for men to see" is very loose. If you read comments below, you will see who had made such a comment Piper gives us these Things as tools. We are deeply grateful.
How can I get a question in to this show I really need some answers or answers from God through him I'm in the UK so not sure if it's possible is there an e mail address ?
"What Does It Mean for a Man to Lead His Family Spiritually?" Kind Sir, that title is probably one of THE most poignant and NEEDED Spiritual needs of all times...Thank you kind Sir; for making this video... For I believe: That any husband, in any marriage; MUST be on "communication" (Spiritual prayers) with Jesus, every day; for Him to guide, lead and direct his family; to Jesus the right way. Oh indeed yes. For IF not; the family is in very short reach of satan's "temptational" and evil power; to destroy every iota of "righteousness in that family"; throughout life. Sad, but very true. End of Story... ...In any case kind Sir and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
I have a sincere question. What if the situation was reversed. Where it depresses the husband when a lackadaisical wife never wants to engage in any spiritual matters and has to be constantly prodded, until... A disagreement occurs. Essentially, how is one to lead if the other does not want to follow?
You cannot. This is why if you notice neither Paul (Eph 5:2-33) nor Peter (I Peter 3:1-7) order men to lead, Rather they order wives to submit and follow their husbands.
Ok, so what are YOU going to do about it??? If you are married, submit to your husband totally and give him a chance to lead especailly if he makes mistakes. Don't just tell him that you are his woman, show him by submission. Act the way you would at work if you knew you could be fired for disobedience. Chances are after he gets over the shock he will blossom. What do you have to lose? If you are not married, a lack of a submissive spirit may be a big reason why. Show the single men around you A) that you are interested, but more importantly B) that you know how to be submissive and are willing to be so for your husband. Hand out some submission samples rather than sex samples and you will stand out far above the crowd. What you are doing now is not working.
Kimberlee Rivera According to the bible, summit to him and your actions will win him over to Christ. But please pray also as that's every difficult thing to do.
I think the goal is to give your commitment to Christ its proper priority and emphasis in how you (continue to) love him as a wife and orient your life in general, which includes continued seeking in prayer and in personal growth in Christ through his Word. As it is in any other situation, this is so that there is every opportunity for the Holy Spirit to be a distinct light in your relationship with him; that it might win him to Christ. This includes how you support him and where you define your boundaries for the sake of our highest spiritual head, Christ. 1 Cor. 7:12-24 I pray that he comes to know Christ.
Peter addresses this in I Peter 3:1-7. You still submit to his leadership. If good spiritual leadership was important to you in a husband, you should have selected a husband for that quality rather than the 6-pack abs, 6 foot tall, 6 figure salary or other considerations. As the Templar knight in the 3rd Indian Jones movie said "You choose poorly."
I'm probably more egalitarian than many evangelical Christians and I'm currently trying to learn more about what this means (i.e. Ephesians 5 marriages) in our culture. Marriages we see in the Bible look very different than marriages today. If we find that some rules are no longer applicable, such as Women have to remain silent in church in 1 Corinthians 14) why is Ephesians 5 an exception? I personally dont think that Men have to be the only spiritual leader in a family; I think women can be co-spiritual leaders, that it is up to the couple to decide that and what God wants from them. So I feel like Men should submit to their wives too in our culture, and that's what it sounds like Pastor John is describing. What are your thoughts?
Taylor I think Piper is saying that the sum of the parts in each role is what is distinct, not the parts themselves. For example, a man will submit to his wife, too, just as Paul says, but he ought to be inclined to take the initiative more often, not only because he wants to, but because his wife would be inclined to be receptive of it. He should feel odd when he’s not thinking much about the spiritual pulse of the marriage. She should feel odd when it seems like she isn’t seeing much awareness from him on the pulse of the marriage, whether things are just fine or not. The dynamic isn’t forced, but harmonious. These things are more understood when we naturally fall into them. It may result in fighting against the concept before seeing how it eases the frustrations of both sides expecting certain needs to be met. As long as we seek the Spirit in it, people see the value of it in their own way and in their own timing.
Woah, hold on there Taylor. Nobody said that it wasn't applicable, it contributes to the order of the service in a local church. Also, Egalitarian is secular and has no place in the Christian Marriage. Believe me, I grew up egalitarian. Your feelings cannot override the word of God; your husband is to be the head of the household. Also, we're not called to submit to each other in marriage; that was the end of the paragraph in Ephesians 5:21. In verse 22 it tells us how as a church we are to "submit to one another". Wives to husbands, husbands to God, Children to parents, etc. It is a greater responsibility, and therefore a stricter judgement if done poorly. The man is called to carry the burden of the family, but he can't if the wife opposes him all the time. Please consider this, Taylor. Egalitarianism is not honoring to God, nor to your husband, no matter how adequate you may be for leadership. God bless you, sister.
Dylan Bailey so every other type of christian (except husband to wife) should submit to themselves? That doesn't sound right. Do you also believe a christian wife should love and sacrifice for everyone else except her husband?
Do not model your marriage on biblical examples. Abraham allowed Sarah to be raped by pharaohs in order to protect himself. Rebekah helped Jacob to trick her husband Isaac into giving Jacob the birthright of Esau. David killed Uriah for his wife. Solomon was led astray to false gods by his many wives. The marriages in the bible are not meant to be a blueprint for ours.
@@aprilking8853I agree with you but Sarah wasn't raped by Pharaoh. Abraham sinned by not trusting in God and allowing Sarah to be taken and Sarah sinned by going along with him on that. Each time Abraham did this the leader found out before she was compromised and they told Abraham to take her and go and that they almost sinned because of his "half truth" as he neglected to tell them about the wife part. Sarah should never have submitted to Abraham to sin. I agree with you about not following those marriages though. Also I think the New Testament is helpful to show us what it means to be submissive as Christian wives even when our husband is not a believer. That's anything but easy but we keep our eyes on Christ and ALL things are working for our good. Blessings to you
The Bible never says that the wife follow the husband, that is not scriptural. The Bible simply never says "Wives follow your husband" It also never directly uses the word "leader". Unfortunately the men in this video have not taken the time to study the Greek translation and are misleading people. Completmentarians to a T. Kephale is the greek word for "head" which has been translated to mean source more often in that time of the Bible in the Bible and in surrounding texts that were written during the time than "leader" or "authoritative figure". So many studies have been done on this by many monks and scholars and bishops alike and both sides have arguments, but teaching this method, the complementarian method which is just a simple analogy blown WAY out of proportion to suit men's liking, is just not realistic and also not accurate. If a group of men cannot admit that they are just one voice in a discussion that has been going on forever... and honestly present the facts and the other side of the matter as well, then they are just failing their job as Christians and anyone can research this topic online and find both sides of the discussion.
Star girl you cannot read in Greek or English, at least not with comprehension. Have you heard of synonyms? Eph 5:22-33 Wives are to submit ( follow or obey Submit in Greek out of Strongs Concordance is : Hupotasso - a Greek military term meaning to subordinate oneself, to obey to submit, to put in subjection HMMMM! ) to their own husbands as to God and reverence them (consider them God's viceroy in the family). I Peter 3:1-7 Wives be in subjection to your husbands. Sure sounds like follow or obey. Subjection is just our old friend hupotasso again. Colossians 3:18 There is that submit word again. Seems the concept is there all along. You just want to play word games. Unfortunately your argument is not with me but with God who knows the Greek very well. Good luck with that.
What Jesus said, never. Yeah, women need to submit and follow. I attended a church service in Alaska once where the women of the church interrupted the service and ordered all the men of the church to leave the sanctuary and not come back until they were ready to lead! The men, all big lumberjacks, oil roustabouts and commercial fishermen, went to the fellowship hall and moped like whipped puppies. You cannot order someone to lead you, it's an oxymoron. You have to submit yourself to their leadership and let them learn especially when they make mistakes. As Piper for once correctly said here - it is not about who is more competent, it is about following God's rukes and order in society.
@@TJ-kk5zf Agreed but the man has no chance to lead if the woman will not follow. That is why the command in Eph 5:22 is first to the wife to submit ( in the Greek hupotasso, a military term meaning put yourself under the command of) to her husband. We is not ordered to lead per se but rather to love and not be a tyrant. I Peter 3:1-7 and Col 3:18-19 follow the same path with subjection in Peter being hupoatasso again.
@@TJ-kk5zf Good. I am happy for you, but most do not. I presume we both commented on here mostly for the instruction of others that may stumble onto this site. Just adding clarity to what you said. Most husbands these days are not so blessed.
Why is their such a big number of wives in the church having to step up and lead their families. I don’t know what it will take for men to see how important their Godly role is.
Well, about seventy years of men being told to shut up and check their gender at the door, that's why
Foolish Drunk no excuse! We don’t abide by secular principles
@@sofiabravo1994
Dodging the issue won't work here. You need to address how women have neutered men for generations and now have the nerve to wonder why men aren't men anymore. And let's stop pretending that Christians are any different than the world. They are basically the same at this point
@@sofiabravo1994 John MacArthur has an excellent sermon to explain; ua-cam.com/video/n8ncOf82ZJ0/v-deo.html
Beginning at 13:39 he gives a clear answer and concludes with this: "As a result of the Fall, woman bears a curse in two areas. One, and it’s ubiquitous and universal: pain in childbearing. Secondly, a desire, because of her fallen heart, to upset the divine order of authority and submission, and to want to dominate her husband. This is the universal reality in marriage to one degree or another. The woman will desire to control, the man will have to rule over her. That’s as universal as pain in childbearing. It refers to a desire, a sinful desire to control. This is why there is constantly the effort of women to overthrow the authority of their husbands, or the authority of men in the culture."
It's really sad
Wow this truly blessed me I’m disabled , and never graduated and am going through a similar situation
I pray if the Lord calls/has called you into the role of a husband, He will give you discernment in how to lead your family according to the gifts He has given and grace for the weaknesses that He will use for His glory and to shower you in His mercy.
Your blessed brother, keep leading based on your ability.
Man of wisdom, Pastor Piper!!!!!! Indeed the beginning of wisdom is the fear of God! more of u God, till not even a speck of us is left.
so true, thank you! All families are called to follow and glorify God!
I've never known a man like you talk about
Though I've always wanted a relationship alike
and have prayed about
Thank you you understand a woman
I long for a beautiful husband you mentioned
Amen
I’m 24, single woman. I’m currently learning what leadership from a man looks like. By learning what it means for a man to be a godly based leader to his wife and family, I receive more insight and encouragement on what being a wise woman, Godly woman and wife is to look like.
Amazing insight Pastor John, we thank God for you
John is so on point. This is great, thanks!
Best explanation ever
thank you so much for this pastor John, Glory to God!
Thanks Pastor John!
Thank you for this incredible exhortation.
Thank you pastor John. Peace and Love in Jesus our Lord.
Thank you so much Pastor John! Wow, this was so much needed for me as a husband. Received so much clarity on this topic. Thank you!
Thank you very much !! ♥️♥️♥️
Glory to God !! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
AMEN!!! Thank you so much for such a wise preaching on he headship of the husband Pastor John! I believe one of the biggest problems for men, yes even Christian men, is PRIDE! Setting aside pride and really learning how to humble themselves and respect the wife as a co-heir in the grace of God... Most men know for sure their wives have more superior gifts in certain areas but refuse to acknowledge or even tap those gifts or even consult their wives about certain things because they just want to do things their own way... Or pride manifested through lashing out every time the wife calls them out on certain unChristlike behaviors instead of (again) being HUMBLE about it, repenting and asking forgiveness... Hhhmmmm... That together with NOT having CONSISTENT INITIATIVE for GODLY and BIBLICAL things, I believe are the most Spirit-crushing, hurtful and frustrating things for a sincere godly wife...💔 It is indeed such a tall order for men to be the spiritual head in the family, but there's a wonderful guide for all godly men out there to make it easy for them - the BIBLE and the HOLY SPIRIT! All they need to do is STOP being so prideful, stubborn and self-centered and really SUBMIT to GOD and HIS commands... Im sure godly women (such as myself) love submitting to a strong godly earnest man, but it's extremely hard to submit to a spiritual head who's full of pride, arrogance, selfishness and anger especially because these go against he teachings of God and definitely NOT fruits of the Spirit... So I earnestly pray... May God bless all husbands and continue to transform them by the renewal of their minds to conform to CHRIST (in EVERY situation including those which are hard and requires them to sacrifice their pleasures) and NOT this world! And also may God strengthen wives and grant them continued love, patience and GRACE to submit first to GOD and then to their husbands even during the hardest times... All these I pray in Jesus name... AMEN🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Oh yes, thats my experience. There is no communication and I have no room to change it.
@@hephzibah4675 I pray that the Lord may guide you and your husband in His commandments, put your trust in the Lord for He changes even the most stubborn of hearts 🙏🙏. (I do pray their is communication now since this comment is about a year old.)
Amen, thank you for sharing, God Bless you all.
This was awesome. I recently dealt with this topic with my fiancé but i didn't take it will. The way you laid it out was great and i appreciate your honesty and love towards all people's to having a stronger relationship with Christ but also having a strong Christian family.
Definitely get John Piper's book "This Momentary Marriage" if you haven't already gotten it. A lot of what he said in the video is also in the book, but with more detail. I pray your marriage will be blessed with God's grace and perseverance.
PatternSon Thank you so much.
clgaines2006 at least u want to be a spirit leader, God bless your marriage and hope u can be worthy to serve her well and she can serve you with all she has :)
Grace to u Sir.. 🔥🙏🔥
I do have an issue w him saying " always seek out the desires of his wife." Bc the desires of a wife are fallible and not always correct either
Very helpful Pastor John, thank you!
Very balanced 👏
I love this, very well said
A Righteous Good Father in Christ to His Family and Good if He Leads Them to Love Their Neighbors and Love One Another.
Really good!
& clear!!
On point to the max God ordained leadership never Lord's over or bully bit benevolence and talking about God beliefs is important vision
Love everyone unconditionally and forgive all things forever. Love all creatures, unconditional. And forgive all things forever. That is all required. 😊
Since the wife is to take her cues from the church, and the husband is to take his cues from Christ, it would seem that this explanation of Ephesians 5:21 was not talking about husbands and wives, telling them to submit
to one another's _needs_ . The parallel passage, Colossians 3, says nothing of mutual submission--only wives submitting to husbands (verse 18) while showing the husbands loving the wives and children (verse 19). "Submit" was talking about _authority_ , despite the fact that the instruction was clearly that both roles were to show the love of Christ to one another.
You are absolutely right.
Awwwwww I love this 🥰🙏🏾
Ezekiel 12:25
For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.
Philippians 1:6
Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
I believe that there are a lot more. Are men who are married in this world? Than people could ever imagine or think of and I use those 2 very strong words. Because it is the women who. Complain the most about how men don't do or complete or attempt to complete their roles. As godly men, spiritual leaders in their marriages, homes with their children, etc. And I don't think there should be a question. That should be raised, why aren't men? Stepping up to the plate. And leading their families spiritually And a stabilized foundational family who worships and glorifies Christ. Rather, it should be an encouragement. For women to have Faith. And for men to be excited That they actually have an opportunity to reflect Christ in the home. To make a comment, "I don't know what it's gonna take for men to see" is very loose. If you read comments below, you will see who had made such a comment Piper gives us these Things as tools. We are deeply grateful.
How can I get a question in to this show I really need some answers or answers from God through him I'm in the UK so not sure if it's possible is there an e mail address ?
There's a website called desiring God.org. They have a page for questions.
I have fallen so short of this. I suck so bad.
That's so important!
Race not being a factor at all.
Thank you!!!
"What Does It Mean for a Man to Lead His Family Spiritually?"
Kind Sir, that title is probably one of THE most poignant and NEEDED Spiritual needs of all times...Thank you kind Sir; for making this video...
For I believe: That any husband, in any marriage; MUST be on "communication" (Spiritual prayers) with Jesus, every day; for Him to guide, lead and direct his family; to Jesus the right way. Oh indeed yes.
For IF not; the family is in very short reach of satan's "temptational" and evil power; to destroy every iota of "righteousness in that family"; throughout life. Sad, but very true.
End of Story...
...In any case kind Sir and Brethren, Please Pray OFTEN and Praise Jesus OFTEN; for He is the ONLY true "God Almighty"; there will ever have been. And may Jesus bless you and yours always. AMEN!
I have a sincere question. What if the situation was reversed. Where it depresses the husband when a lackadaisical wife never wants to engage in any spiritual matters and has to be constantly prodded, until... A disagreement occurs. Essentially, how is one to lead if the other does not want to follow?
You cannot. This is why if you notice neither Paul (Eph 5:2-33) nor Peter (I Peter 3:1-7) order men to lead, Rather they order wives to submit and follow their husbands.
My love life looks like the random display screen on this video. 🤣😂🤣😂😩😩
Barbara Beaver Thats kinda how my thoughts are
Ok, so what are YOU going to do about it??? If you are married, submit to your husband totally and give him a chance to lead especailly if he makes mistakes. Don't just tell him that you are his woman, show him by submission. Act the way you would at work if you knew you could be fired for disobedience. Chances are after he gets over the shock he will blossom. What do you have to lose? If you are not married, a lack of a submissive spirit may be a big reason why. Show the single men around you A) that you are interested, but more importantly B) that you know how to be submissive and are willing to be so for your husband. Hand out some submission samples rather than sex samples and you will stand out far above the crowd. What you are doing now is not working.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 What in the Handmaids Tale is this?? So glad I’m single. 🦄🤣👀
Lead in spirit? Oh i thought that was the answer lmao. But i forgot we gotta explain it or just ask the Lord himself
What if your husband is not a Christian?
Kimberlee Rivera According to the bible, summit to him and your actions will win him over to Christ. But please pray also as that's every difficult thing to do.
I think the goal is to give your commitment to Christ its proper priority and emphasis in how you (continue to) love him as a wife and orient your life in general, which includes continued seeking in prayer and in personal growth in Christ through his Word. As it is in any other situation, this is so that there is every opportunity for the Holy Spirit to be a distinct light in your relationship with him; that it might win him to Christ. This includes how you support him and where you define your boundaries for the sake of our highest spiritual head, Christ. 1 Cor. 7:12-24
I pray that he comes to know Christ.
@@NeverWhorget submission should be to Christ 1st, then to the husband... meaning if your husband wants to lead you into sin dont follow him
Peter addresses this in I Peter 3:1-7. You still submit to his leadership. If good spiritual leadership was important to you in a husband, you should have selected a husband for that quality rather than the 6-pack abs, 6 foot tall, 6 figure salary or other considerations. As the Templar knight in the 3rd Indian Jones movie said "You choose poorly."
Ughhh..so much is expected of us
I'm probably more egalitarian than many evangelical Christians and I'm currently trying to learn more about what this means (i.e. Ephesians 5 marriages) in our culture. Marriages we see in the Bible look very different than marriages today. If we find that some rules are no longer applicable, such as Women have to remain silent in church in 1 Corinthians 14) why is Ephesians 5 an exception?
I personally dont think that Men have to be the only spiritual leader in a family; I think women can be co-spiritual leaders, that it is up to the couple to decide that and what God wants from them. So I feel like Men should submit to their wives too in our culture, and that's what it sounds like Pastor John is describing. What are your thoughts?
Taylor I think Piper is saying that the sum of the parts in each role is what is distinct, not the parts themselves. For example, a man will submit to his wife, too, just as Paul says, but he ought to be inclined to take the initiative more often, not only because he wants to, but because his wife would be inclined to be receptive of it. He should feel odd when he’s not thinking much about the spiritual pulse of the marriage. She should feel odd when it seems like she isn’t seeing much awareness from him on the pulse of the marriage, whether things are just fine or not. The dynamic isn’t forced, but harmonious. These things are more understood when we naturally fall into them. It may result in fighting against the concept before seeing how it eases the frustrations of both sides expecting certain needs to be met. As long as we seek the Spirit in it, people see the value of it in their own way and in their own timing.
Woah, hold on there Taylor. Nobody said that it wasn't applicable, it contributes to the order of the service in a local church. Also, Egalitarian is secular and has no place in the Christian Marriage. Believe me, I grew up egalitarian. Your feelings cannot override the word of God; your husband is to be the head of the household. Also, we're not called to submit to each other in marriage; that was the end of the paragraph in Ephesians 5:21. In verse 22 it tells us how as a church we are to "submit to one another". Wives to husbands, husbands to God, Children to parents, etc. It is a greater responsibility, and therefore a stricter judgement if done poorly. The man is called to carry the burden of the family, but he can't if the wife opposes him all the time. Please consider this, Taylor. Egalitarianism is not honoring to God, nor to your husband, no matter how adequate you may be for leadership. God bless you, sister.
Dylan Bailey so every other type of christian (except husband to wife) should submit to themselves?
That doesn't sound right.
Do you also believe a christian wife should love and sacrifice for everyone else except her husband?
Do not model your marriage on biblical examples. Abraham allowed Sarah to be raped by pharaohs in order to protect himself. Rebekah helped Jacob to trick her husband Isaac into giving Jacob the birthright of Esau. David killed Uriah for his wife. Solomon was led astray to false gods by his many wives. The marriages in the bible are not meant to be a blueprint for ours.
@@aprilking8853I agree with you but Sarah wasn't raped by Pharaoh. Abraham sinned by not trusting in God and allowing Sarah to be taken and Sarah sinned by going along with him on that. Each time Abraham did this the leader found out before she was compromised and they told Abraham to take her and go and that they almost sinned because of his "half truth" as he neglected to tell them about the wife part. Sarah should never have submitted to Abraham to sin. I agree with you about not following those marriages though. Also I think the New Testament is helpful to show us what it means to be submissive as Christian wives even when our husband is not a believer. That's anything but easy but we keep our eyes on Christ and ALL things are working for our good. Blessings to you
The Bible never says that the wife follow the husband, that is not scriptural. The Bible simply never says "Wives follow your husband" It also never directly uses the word "leader". Unfortunately the men in this video have not taken the time to study the Greek translation and are misleading people. Completmentarians to a T. Kephale is the greek word for "head" which has been translated to mean source more often in that time of the Bible in the Bible and in surrounding texts that were written during the time than "leader" or "authoritative figure". So many studies have been done on this by many monks and scholars and bishops alike and both sides have arguments, but teaching this method, the complementarian method which is just a simple analogy blown WAY out of proportion to suit men's liking, is just not realistic and also not accurate. If a group of men cannot admit that they are just one voice in a discussion that has been going on forever... and honestly present the facts and the other side of the matter as well, then they are just failing their job as Christians and anyone can research this topic online and find both sides of the discussion.
I disagree. Adam was created first.
Star girl you cannot read in Greek or English, at least not with comprehension. Have you heard of synonyms? Eph 5:22-33 Wives are to submit ( follow or obey Submit in Greek out of Strongs Concordance is : Hupotasso - a Greek military term meaning to subordinate oneself, to obey to submit, to put in subjection HMMMM! ) to their own husbands as to God and reverence them (consider them God's viceroy in the family). I Peter 3:1-7 Wives be in subjection to your husbands. Sure sounds like follow or obey. Subjection is just our old friend hupotasso again. Colossians 3:18 There is that submit word again. Seems the concept is there all along. You just want to play word games. Unfortunately your argument is not with me but with God who knows the Greek very well. Good luck with that.
Duh... She just said he was passive.
wife, drag the husband here to learn how to be leader... Jesus🙄
What Jesus said, never. Yeah, women need to submit and follow. I attended a church service in Alaska once where the women of the church interrupted the service and ordered all the men of the church to leave the sanctuary and not come back until they were ready to lead! The men, all big lumberjacks, oil roustabouts and commercial fishermen, went to the fellowship hall and moped like whipped puppies. You cannot order someone to lead you, it's an oxymoron. You have to submit yourself to their leadership and let them learn especially when they make mistakes. As Piper for once correctly said here - it is not about who is more competent, it is about following God's rukes and order in society.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 God designed men to lead and women and children to follow.
@@TJ-kk5zf Agreed but the man has no chance to lead if the woman will not follow. That is why the command in Eph 5:22 is first to the wife to submit ( in the Greek hupotasso, a military term meaning put yourself under the command of) to her husband. We is not ordered to lead per se but rather to love and not be a tyrant. I Peter 3:1-7 and Col 3:18-19 follow the same path with subjection in Peter being hupoatasso again.
@@johnbreitmeier3268 my wife submits in all and I lead in love and we are very happy in the Lord
@@TJ-kk5zf Good. I am happy for you, but most do not. I presume we both commented on here mostly for the instruction of others that may stumble onto this site. Just adding clarity to what you said. Most husbands these days are not so blessed.
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