H-Body 5 Lug swap Part I | S10 Blazer Front Spindle swap | BIG disc brake upgrade | Vega EP17
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- Опубліковано 19 лип 2020
- The Vega gets a massive front end upgrade in the form of 2001 Chevrolet Blazer front spindles. 5-lug, 11" discs and two piston calipers in addition to the much beefier Blazer Balljoints. If you have an H-Body car, you need to see this video. Enjoy the video and don't forget to hit the subscribe button!!
For the upper ball joints: I do not recommend moving them outboard the as I did in the video.
The reason: moving the lower balljoint inboard 1/4" is plenty to compensate for any camber difference between the Blazer and Vega spindles. Moving the top balljoint outboard then requires full deflection of the camber/caster adjusters on the lower control arm to prevent positive camber.
The solution: Install the upper balljoints centered in the widened hole of the upper control arm.
I still recommend swapping the upper control arms to their opposite sides for caster gain. doing so adds stability at speed.
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For the upper ball joints:
I do not recommend moving them outboard the as I did in the video.
The reason: moving the lower balljoint inboard 1/4" is plenty to compensate for any camber difference between the Blazer and Vega spindles.
Moving the top balljoint outboard then requires full deflection of the camber/caster adjusters on the lower control arm to prevent positive camber.
The solution: Install the upper balljoints centered in the widened hole of the upper control arm.
I still recommend swapping the upper control arms to their opposite sides for caster gain. doing so adds stability at speed.
With the swapping of the upper control arms, does it also keep the tire from hitting the rear fender well as much? I just swapped the fronts on mine today, I just got them installed and still have work to do, haven’t switched mine yet, noticed the rear of the tire rubs but the front is fine.
@@darthvega6358 I had to put some smaller tires on my front to keep it from hitting. I would think the tire would be a smidge closer when swapping the uppers because it moves the upper balljoint aft resulting in the caster gain. But we’re taking a quarter in or so. You’ll likely have to change tire size to make more room.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades good deal, I had planned on it anyway, just got some S10/Blazer wheels and tires from the scrap yard to fit the hubs
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades hey what’s up man? Got a question, how far back did you cut your hard lines? Can’t get my ends to meet up as they should, I mean seems they need to be S shaped
@@darthvega6358 I just did it by feel. I didn't cut much off at all. it might be necessary to pull some extra length from upstream if possible. worst case scenario, you have to make completely new hard brake lines.
I like how you demonstrate different solutions. I'm definitely using the knowledge to do my 78 Monza wagon. Thanks.
Man your videos are Gold!!!!! I have a 77 wagon I plan on v8 swapping and your videos are A 1 👌🤙 thank you!
Thanks for the video....I have a 71 Vega Panel wagon and my last is Vega...😂thanks again on Vega project it really helps.
Some things like hot rods and the skills we attain as we journey on. Iam 71 and have had a great life with cars and trucks for 50 plus years. keep on rodding
Thank you!
Love your Channel, I have a 72 Vega and tomorrow is my birthday
Thanks for the vid, hope your wine was good
This is a video that was way overdue. Great job! And yes, Bob Gumm is the man!! We have such limited aftermarket support on these cars. Guys like Bob are a Godsend to our community. Don't forget, Bob also makes an excellent V8 motor mount replacement too!! Thank you for doing this video.
Don't forget Dave's Vega Village for the lower bushing ferrule caps. He's the only source for replacements.
they will be in the next video
Awesome. Thank you for promoting these guys.
What's his website?
Thank you for getting this all on video!
Excellent video, quality workmanship.
Thank you for making these videos, they really do help others trying to do the same things to their own cars. 😁
Very good video. Thanks for making all these vids, really helps!
Bad ass vega! I've always wanted a vega wagon and that's what got me to watch one of your videos and I've been hooked. Keep them coming 👍
thanks for the info I guess I should just be a little more patient. love your video it has some great points to consider when doing the s10 swap. already put the 75 lower ball joints in the a arm as Bobs install instruction stated for the adaptors so hoping to hear from him soon. thanks again
Been waiting on this video and I was worry about how difficult this swap was and you made it look so simple
Editing can do that. . . .
We used Bob Gumm's sleeves to do the S10 conversion and couldn't be more please with the results. In doing it this way (the easy way) and using off center a-arm bushing, we were able to get a little extra negative camber. As we' were planning on using the car hard on the street with a bit of auto crossing later on, the additional camber was very welcome. Something to consider when planning your S10 conversion. In our case the easy way was the best way. The S10 rear axles conversion is equally as easy if you have a 7.5" rear in your car, a simple substitution using stock parts. Luck ! ! !
I have a 79 starfire gt and want to do the 5 lug conversion. All i have to do is swap out the axleshafts?
I have a 74 Vega and I’m gathering parts to do this swap, on the v8 monza site bob says to use 1975 or later balljoints. Did you do it this way cause I’m having a hard time finding the right part
Your explanation of the swap is bang on! I have a 75 wagon & a 2000 S10 parts truck waiting. Time to start dropping the “f” bombs!
This video made me want to get back on my 76 Vega project. It is time for a Five lug swap. Thanks!
VEGA VEGA VEGA VEGA VEGA !!!!! YEAAAAHHHHH!!!!! 😆💪
Nice job, thank you for taking the time to make these videos. I’m getting a 72 wagon like yours and it will need these mods.
Good luck!
Thanks. Going to save this video for when I upgrade my Sunbird to 5 lug so I can put some 15” snowflakes on it
Great info 2 know! The S-!0 Front brake kit did wonders for my no freaking linelock hold with the crappy 4 lug spindles thanks for the info! Now I'm smoking out everyone in the hood! Keep on smoking those video's Dude, Signed a young senior citizen! And Right on man.
your videos are a god send. ive got an LS c10 thats getting faster and faster and my wife cant ride with me anymore making passes at the track. that was always something we did together so we were disheartened. i told her i would build something for us to work on together and for her to flip me off at the track and race together. she found a 74 vega that we picked up this week. i have zero experience with these cars but seeing you explain things so clearly is making me super excited to get started.
nice informative video, now for the glass of wine... cheers
great info video I have a 73 vega and going to upgrade the front and rear 4 lug to 5 lug thanks
Good luck!
My senior project for Power Auto 2 at high school in the 70s i built a 72 vega notchback with a 65 283 ci sb with high compression 2.02 heads and doug thorley v8 engine and trans mounts and headers. A turbo 350 auto finished the swap. After a year or so the side gears in diff blew. And THOSE stock from brakes i put car in neutral if i needed to stop quicker than if i left it in drive
I have Doug Thorley headers on my wife's Vega,, at 1-5/8 diameter and fit better than hooker 2135's(1-1/2) ,, someone needs to remake Doug's Design😊
That’s what I used for Marvin the Astre from bob works great
It’s time to do this swap on my drag car my dad and I built 30 years ago but it’s been sitting idle for 15 years while kids were growing up I’ve seen bobs adapters but they always show unavailable thanks for the video
call Bob Gumm or send an email. I can almost guarantee he has some on hand.
Great Video! A good reason for the giveaway is it was my birthday July 20th. 😂
I test fitted a first gen camaro spindle with chevelle steering arms on my 75 monza. used some cone inserts for the small h- body balljoints. I did this just for an interfernce and camber check, had no interference issues and camber was roughly the same even a bit more negative as stock. I will try to fit a screw in lower ball joint.
I want to do a JL8 ( Basically Corvette C3 11.75" discs )conversion like some rare camaros could have been ordered with. The biggest challenge is to find a JL8 Caliper bracket, these are really rare and very expensive and are only available as repro parts.
I love Vegas and monzas because you can get something special for cheap and can make a real competitor out of it. These cars are lightweight and have more potential than a Camaro when well prepared.
I'm interested to see how that goes.
I did the S 10 brake upgrade on my 79 sunbird back in 2005 or 6 I used 86 spindles so I had the single pot calipers. I've bought most of Bob Gumm's products over the years. I don't need a set of balljoint adaptors because I still have my original set. I always thought it would be a good Idea to make a set of control arms that would use the S10 balljoints.
There is a company that sells that exact setup. Adjustable A-arms with S10 balljoints.
It's a grate show i learn a hoe lot of good stuff thanks you.
I love your work wish you were nearby it's official ✨️ ✨️
Thank you!
Ive got stock 4 lugs/disc on my vega right now, and i think it took me half a mile to stop last time i let the 350 wind up.... regardless if i win or not still doing 5 lugs for the front to match the rear end
Just bought a 75 vega wagon,got my dad's old 1962 327 340 horse Corvette sb,with 69 z28 cross ram manifold,going for a Dz vega if one was available
I was thinking I used mid 80s chevy impala rubber lines. They was a little longer then the malibu. Not sure now. that was 12 years ago.
Love your info. I was told that early Camaro rotors work also??
I can't honestly say. However, I can't imagine they would be the same size because the blazer is heavy and has a tow rating.
I've been checking salvage yards periodically for years looking for a 2wd blazer to take the spindles and breaks for my s10. It's like searching for a unicorn everything is 4wd in the north east.
There are a ton of the 2wd parts in the south. find a facebook group and ask if someone wouldn't mind sending you some. compensate their time of course.
Thank you SO much for all these Vega videos. The details and explanations are a big help. Can you tell us why you decided to cut the ball joint sleeve 0.6 inches and weld it at 0.3 inches above the control arm? What does that change to just butting it up to the bottom and welding it in? If I butt it to the bottom do I need to trim more?
It's about locating the pivot mpoint in the right spot and not letting there be a huge area for water to pool on the balljoint.
I dread doing this, but I know if I keep my '72 much longer I will be forced to as the solid rotors that fit the car are no longer available or produced by anyone. I'm sure the s-10 brakes are far superior to the crappy stock Vega calipers, but I don't relish losing the four-lug 13" GT wheels.
They make the same wheels in a 5 lug. Also, don't those have hub caps that cover the lugs anyways?
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades No. The Vega's 13" GT wheel was a steel-stamped four-spoke Rally wheel that had a chrome-plated tin center-cap attached to the center hole of the wheel via steel, curled clasps. The 7/16 Right Hand turn acorn lug nuts were exposed.
So I just picked up a 75 Vega GT ( kemback ) wagon, 4 speed, complete car, even had AC, ( lmfao ) ready for the price🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 500$ interior is in great shape also, so hook me up with those adapters 😃😃👍👍,
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Awesome score. The adaptors went out some time ago.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades can you send me the info fir the adapters please
Since American racing refused to custom drill the “customizable”Ansen Sprint slotted mags to 4x101.6 (reason being they don’t do that bolt pattern anymore) I’m gonna be looking at this swap soon. hows the weight from the 283 affecting the front end? Any problems? Also looking to install one and you probably have the same idea as you said in a earlier vid what the Prototype had, YES!!! Going for the 302 which in my mind makes it a Vega SS!
bought the V8Monza adapters when you was in diapers
Great work my brother!!!! Quick question is the 71’ vega coupe the same as the 2000 s10 as well?
I believe so.
Im curious how difficult would it be to fabricated stock rotors?
thinking about jacking up my 76 moza 2=2 v8, want to not go body swap but am looking to crossbreed some s10 or truck suspension components could use some advice
pleeese and thanks
I hav a vaga do i need to take the front n off or wht do thy mean by s10 front n. Please help me wont to make my vaga hot rod
I'm building a 72 Chevy Vega and I wanted to make it a 5 lug the number for the spacers
v8monza.com
Thanks for the video. Is there a trick to removing the spindle without a spring compressor? Looks like you gave it a good kick and she popped out somewhat safely?
I would not call that safely. It was a calculated risk. If I had a jack, I could have controlled how fast the lower control arm went down. that would be a much safer way than letting the 15lb spring unload uncontrolled.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades thanks, but I actually just yanked the spindles off a '99 s10. No jacks allowed in the yard. Like you said, I figured it was a calculated risk lol
I was looking to see if the rotors from an 84 Corvette would fit on my S10 since I'm doing a 1942 on that frame and I would like to use the Corvette rear end as well if possible if it's an easy fix then I please let me know.
I know there are some conversion kits to upgrade to corvette brakes, but I don't have any experience with them personally. I will caution you that there is such a thing as "over breaking" a car. If the brakes are too big, you just lock up in a panic braking situation without ABS.
This is the same information for swapping out to s10 truck spindles on my 75 Vega correct?? I'm not using the bolt in bearing. 👀🏁
It is a very similar process. but I recommend the newer spindles because the disc brake setup is better from the blazers.
What are your thoughts on using G body front end parts? I'm thinking of using stuff off an 1980 Malibu and some pieces from a monte carlo SS
Not sure how that stuff all fits. I never tried it.
I own a 1973 Vega GT. Has a full cage, fuel cell Dana 44 rear end and a Buick V6. I want to sell it. Would make a nice Drift or Autocross car. 17K original miles.
I'm using S10 spindles and have the adapters ordered. Do I use the stock Vega brake line or use the S10 brake line using a adapter
use the GBody brake lines.
Hello again so I ordered the adaptors from Bob Gumm and paid by Zelle and so far have heard nothing back. just wondering how long it took to get your adaptors? have everything else to do the swap but these.
When I lived in Las Vegas, I could walk to his house. So, shipping was never an issue for me. How long ago did you order them? If I remember right, he has to wait for a certain order size to have them manufactured in order to keep the prices down. He also works a regular day job. With those things in mind, plus regular shipping lead times, It's not a fast process. Reach out to him on facebook or through email and ask if he got your items in the mail.
I watched all your videos and I’m wondering how to get the ball joint adapters from bob gumm?
If you could let me know the fastest way to get them cause I haven’t gotten a reply from emails I’ve sent to v8monza and I’m up in Canada
I've messaged hime with your youtube comment. He is just a regular dude working a regular job and doing this on his spare time. He sometimes take a bit to get things going, but he will.
Do you know if the s10 pickup will work the same or does ot have to be a blazer?
I didn't try the pickup.
how long did you have to wait until you received the ball joint adapter from V8monza?
I can literally walk to Bob Gum's house from mine. So, there was no wait.
thats correc tyou in LV.
number is easier and less money on a tight buget
Bro do you know if V8 Monza still sells the ball joint adapters
Last I heard he still does. He works a day job so be patient. He might take a bit of time to respond.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorbladeslol I bought them adaptors but when got the ball joints they were the over size ones and so...I'm doing some welding because I can't wait again 😄 too excited
What coil springs could I use in the vega to raise it up
I have not yet gone the coil spring route. Head over to the H-Body forum and I'm sure there are guys there that have.
What years of the S-10 / S-10 Blazer (can it be a regular s-10 pickup or does it have to be a s-10 blazer and i guess it needs to be 2wd on both ?) I have a 1973 Vega Wagon . Im doing it the easy way , just to get 5 lug .
I used the Second generation (1995-2005) blazer spindles because they come with bigger brakes and calipers. The S10 pickup has a smaller caliper and rotor. I'm not sure on the years for those.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades Thanks for the info , so the 95-2005 blazers do they have to be 2wd or will 4wd work ?
@@mrwallaby11966 The rear axle has to be 2wd. The physical axle shafts are longer pushing the wheel mounting surface out in the Vega. The front. . . I'll be honest, I'm not sure if it matters. I can't honestly say if the fronts have a physical difference, other than; the 2wd spindles have a plug where the driveshaft for a 4wd would pass through, but the hub and bearing still have the holes. To preserve the bearing you would need to plug the hole in the spindle to keep water/dirt out. So for simplicity, I would say go for the 2wd first.
Hi sir, I picked up spindals caliper's and rotors to do conversion, I need help here in Apache junction Az
Post a request for help in the Vega Nation Facebook page and maybe someone in town can help. I'm out of the country at the moment. What do you need help with?
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades to do front end swap , s10 ball joint swap I bought the spindals but need those spacer weld in part's
@@karlmawby2921 You get those from U.B. Machine. google the name and part number I show in the video and it will get you there.
@@BurnoutsAndRotorblades I'm so thankful for your videos and your help sir,
How do you do the rearend
Check out the Vega playlist. I have a rearend swap video.
Is Bob Gumm still in business ?
I believe so. . .
How much if I just send you my parts? Would you concider?
I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I'm no professional either. I just struggled through until it looked safe enough that I would put my kids in it.
I hear you,I feel I can trust you more than these shops,that have nomore pride in wat they do. An since you've done it alresdy.
Just got here I have a Monza 1976 I want to put 5 wide hubs on it !! This is my first h body I dont have a clue what I need other then help for the right stuff!
Reason for Wide 5 is this building a PIKES PEAK HILLCLIMBER Kinda like this but poor man version !!!
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Vegas are the badest street car....I know I own one....