@@millomweb if it has benzalkonium chloride in it, the good thing is that stuff is/was used in mouthwash as antiseptic/antibacterial ingredient as well. Well if... and depending on the concentration I would be more worried about other undisclosed ingedients. Packaging of those "Lemonade bottles" is realy not what I would prefer and expect.
I lately looked up fogging devices for disinfection of rooms and equipment as well as odor removal. Seems there are quite a few systems out there. Going after which advertising jumps out of google, Fog-It seems to be the number one and by far the cheapest. Other systems which indeed showed actual pictures of use in hospitals, ambulances, commercial kitchens or for example meat processing (or food in general) industries seem to use similar active ingredients from what I could tell. some of those products even are named fog it plus or fogit Q but those come from completely different companies (one from switzerland I think, the other I cannot tell) The picture of a fogging device I have seen for those applications looked more like a big plastic jar/drum of about 30 liters capacity and mounted on the lid was what actually looked more like a spray nozzle using pressurized air to atomize the disinfectant. I think they even call it cold fogging or cold atomizing. Other than the fruity, smelly, snake oily fog-it stuff you showed, for their products they have even data sheets available and they openly say that the main active ingredient is quaternary ammonium compunds, in which family benzalkonium chloride belongs among other substances. For the colory stuff the most I could find was a very vague description of the scent. So it may actually contain some kind of QAV, then it would have at least some disinfectant properties. But I wonder, how stable is this stuff when heated? Also color and scent in fruity variations seem to be a safety hazard and should be kept away from children, especially with undisclosed ingredients. Or is it really only a mixture of glycol and lemanade for looks and scent with no active disinfectant ingredient or at most ridiculously low concentrations?
FYI: The intake tubing weights are called "clunks". They are for pulling liquids out of tanks that may tilt or go inverted. I learned about this building and flying aerobatic RC planes. Thank goodness Electric power aircraft has made this a distant memory.
I always feel bad when my projects have less than visually pleasing wiring, but then Clive opens retail products that look like that and I suddenly don't feel so bad.
you don't have to put a ground on all electronics, barely a fraction of modern devices have this, you don't even have it on most of the plugs round the world.... so it's not "missing"
It will leave a nasty oily "propylene glycol" film on glass and about everything else the fog settles on. Sticky leather. Makes fabric very hard to clean. Sticky greasy dashboard/instrument cluster Same thing with vaping in your car thr inside of your ac vents will be coated too meaning the pipes will collect dust like crazy
@Lassi Kinnunen They sell the stuff to whoever throws a few bucks in their direction. Seems the company is more woried about what cars smel like and how to polish them and get them shiny.
Gotta love a bottle of mystery chemicals that are vaporised into the air, nowt wrong with that at all... :P Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go invent some coal tar hand sanitiser.......... :D
Oh I know, just a somewhat topical (pardon the pun) joke given that there's all kinds of quackery going on with regards to hygiene and antiseptics cos of the pandemic... :P
@@katrinabryce But those are heavily regulated by now due to the carcinogenicity. At least in Germany those shampoos don't exist anymore, and the creams have a long list of safety information, and are only used for psoriasis and other serious conditions and not just dandruff anymore. And you are supposed to only get it on affected areas, leave it on for the specified time and then very thoroughly wash it out. And at best use gloves while applying. It's basically chemotherapy.
Different countries' MSDS sheets list varying ingredients. None of which should be consumed. I'd replace the tagline "clean fresh safe" with "clean fresh effective, do not inhale, keep away from children, do not dispose of into watercourses".
The aussie SDS is one of the most useful.sets to check usually.as for hiding the data, the problem is the patent system is.worthless now because we in the West won't address the China issue the only.sensible.thing to do as a business is to use the Trade Secret systems.
@@bigclivedotcom Sweet and fruity tasting seems very dangerous if a child gets a hold of it, and it's been very specifically bottled in a non-child safe fashion that also makes it look like exactly like a drink. I'd really like to know what's in it besides water and (I hope) propylene glycol. Artificial flavors that might be used for the scents tend to not be very sweet on their own. I hope they don't have ethylene glycol in here. Maybe vegetable glycerin? I know that's a bit on the sweeter side. EDIT: Hmm... is this just cheap flavored vape fluid repackaged for alternate use after the bans in the US and elsewhere?
@@bigclivedotcom what makes this doubly dangerous is because they are so secretive about ingredients of a child did drink it a&e won’t know how to treat! I will try and look on toxbase later and see if I can get any info
@@frankbath208 I tried to look up the stuff. Some vague description on what it is supposed to smell like, but nothing else. scents range from mint, over lemon, fruit salad, new car... and that where those where I could at least imagine what they are supposed to smell like. Not very confidence inspiring.
We tried a number of times to request the data sheet for the fog it liquid itself a couple of years back. Lots of replies saying they would send it (as is a legal requirement) no response. To this day we still don't know if the fluid does a single thing they claim as there is not a single bit of paperwork to confirm it
I used some A/C cleaner sprays recently because there was a smell everytime I turned the A/C on. I was sure the smell disappeared after that but now I'm very skeptical about it. Edit: main ingredient is isopropanol, so maybe it did something... I doubt it.
The effective treatments are foam, you won't get the whole interior surface with a spray, you feed in a long straw and fill it from the bottom till the foam comes out all the vents, a little on the messy side, usually done as part of an interior detail. As said definitely check your cabin filter.
@@brocktechnology maybe best to have an experienced garage service your A/C for you. By the way, most manuals recommend to switch of the car A/C a few minutes before arival, so the evaporator coil can dry up and leave as little as possible moister within the air system. No moisture, no smell.
My microwave did that recently. Turns out the transformer turned into the most impressive show of electrically induced smoke I've ever seen from any electrical device.
Professional units to clean cars like that (having the hvac run and disinfect it, remove all germs and stuff) are actually highly potent ozone generators, you put them in the car for half an hour and after the car has been vented from the ozone, every smell is gone.
I've known people to have been shocked by a cracked remote on these. Possibly a silly question but why is the remote referenced to the mains and not a low voltage relay system or something?
Cost. The pump is literally wired across the heaters thermostat so that it only runs when the unit is hot and the contact is open. (The pump is run in series with the heater.)
At first I thought the thumbnail was a bunch of drinks or flavoring syrup for shaved ice. Pretty soon the scammers will add some purple LEDs to make the fog glow purple and claim it has double the disinfectant power than normal foggers 😂
Clive I know your video isn't focusing on this, but just saw another local business touting use of those UVC germicidal lamps for Covid 19. After watching your rather scary video earlier on these, I hope they use the damn things correctly!
@@Toad_Hugger Yeah, but they don't count for much if what your doing features FLOPs lol. Better to undervolt and underclock those chips for energy saving and stick 'em on mostly integer tasks.
Hey Clive, would you be willing to do a teardown on a properly built professional fog machine or better yet a hazer? Would be neat to see the comparison.
So I recall one of the local vape shops, a smaller one but frequented quite heavily, had a fire in the duct work just a year after opening. It always made me think maybe saturating dust with glycerin micro-droplets and then running that through an undersized exhaust fan might just be a recipe for an overheated motor... it would be interesting to test that hypothesis and I suppose just agitating a used vacuum bag would provide the dust and lint.... It may be worth an investigation.
Back in Highschool 00 01ish. We "Borrowed" The Smoke Machine from The Drama club. My friends had a Little shack out back of hos House to hang out. Well we plug it in and no smoke.. Looking waiting (didn't know it had to heat up) and Pooof Filled a 15x20ft room in 2 seconds..we were tripping over each other to get Out. His Mom Thought we were On Fire. Ah good Time's
BAC I think breaks down around the 160°C mark, so even if it did contain that, it wouldn't be an "active ingredient" if heated to 240°C... plus I thought that, as a biocide, it had to be on the label, but yeah, "should be" doesn't always mean a whole lot!
It would be interesting if you could test the effectiveness of the fog. Maybe use agar plates - germ both, have one as a control and fog the other and compare them.
The imagery of the label with the leaf, kinda makes me think of something pesticide something, repurposed for cars. I wonder what their company was doing before this?
Wouldn't the water in the "juice" do a fairly good job of keeping the BAC down to reasonable temps? Once it vaporizes I would expect the resulting fog leaves the machine at pretty high velocity, not leaving much time for additional heating of the BAC.
Could the heater block be an induction heater warm up times would be quicker? And then used for a burglar smoke screen, rather than leaving the block heater using power till its required.
Pink one looks almost fluorescent on my screen. And.... yeah.... nothing about this feels right to me. 240c is quite hot, and I seriously doubt they've tested all their dyes, scents, and chemicals for decomposition products. I'd be willing to bet any antiseptic qualities would be rendered useless, so you end up with a car that's still not sanitized, but with the bonus of some toxic fumes. If I was tasked with coming up with a disinfecting fog device I would probably create something that uses ultrasonic foggers in a container deep enough to prevent splashing with a fan to blow the fog around the space. No heat, low power, and I don't think most chemicals break down when exposed to ultrasonics. 🤔
The fact that the heating element is at 240 C doesn't mean most of the fogging agent reaches that temperature. Turn your stove on and drop water on it: the water will reach 100 C, its boiling point, change into gas and be expelled. From another comment, the main ingredient is isopropyl, so it's going to reach 80 C, vaporize, and carry the higher boiling point components out as an aerosol, hence the "fog".
The glycol component is a potent anti bacterial, even at very low concentrations. I would imagine that brownian motion would carry it to most surfaces, and disinfect them which will deal with most of the odours. The fragrance in the mixture would then probably mask the rest. Or at least that's probably what they'd claim. Some of it is even true.
@@TheMatthooks most professional fog cleaning systems use chlorine dioxide as the active ingredient. It is extremely reactive and destroys odor molecules and pathogens.
"The V4 Fog-It machine has a 400w motor which is suitable for vehicle deodorising." Straight from their website that just redirects to their car detailing site.
Any car sold in the EU and probably also in the UK and USA is required to have a gap between the door and the body of the car, so that in case someone's fingers are in-between the finger is not cut off. That's why there are these thick flexible door rubbers on every car. This also means that it is safe to route a cable through the door of the car and close the door. The official BMW software requires you to connect an ethernet cable and close the door to execute an update and teach in the windows afterwards. (The door needs to be closed to teach in the window and the cable can obviously not be routed through the window).
@@theskett The position of the electric window is monitored using quadrature encoders on the actuator motor. When something other than the end position (e.g. your finger) causes the window to slow down, it immediately stops to prevent injury. After a software update, the absolute position is lost and need to be re-learned by opening and closing the window with this protection switched off. Earlier models use current monitoring but also required teaching in for setting the current limit.
Excellent explanation, thank you; so "teach in" is a term of art that I hadn't heard before. And my buddy's dog won't get badly bitten by your window, once the latter's trained :-)
How hot do the chemicals get as they travel through that capillary tube? They will obviously hit over 100°C (boiling point of the water with whatever is devolved in it) but with the water rapidly turning to a steam and accelerating the remainder of the fluid down the tube, it makes me wonder if the majority of the fog produced isn’t much above that temperature. Perhaps the narrow tube is deliberate to reduce the time the fog is in the machine after the water boils.
Probably, most coffee makers have such fuses in the 120-140C range from what I've seen. I've fixed a lot of these over the years. Those "thermal" fuses often seem to go out with brownout like voltage spikes in the system, too.
One thing I never understood: why are there metal devices, which claim to be double insulated (and therefore are not grounded). Particularly a lot of HiFi receivers, for example all my Onkyo receivers. Onkyo is a known brand, so its probably correct, I just don't know why it can be double insulated. The core of the transformer in these units is bolted directly to the chassis, so between life and (possibly) your hand there is only the plastic "winding insert" in the transformer and the enamel coating of the windings.
No different from any other double insulated device. Take a laptop charger, you easily contact the outer barrel connector, or maybe you touch the outer shell of a USB cable when plugging it into a USB charger, or you plug a phone with metal chassis into said charger. The limiting, most dangerous, case on both is touching an exposed contact, so the safety standards are designed for that. It doesn't matter whether the exposed area is big or small.
@@straightpipediesel ok thanks. The way I learnt it was that anything that has a metal case must be earthed. (Because if something fails the case could go live). This is what confuses me. In the reciever, a primary transformer wire could detach and make the case go live. Yet it says "double insulated" and only requires a two pin plug. Edit: the IEC rules state that this is possible, but anything live inside the case must be double (redundantly) isolated. It seems like device manufacturers (even established ones, not only cheap chinese ones)(and the certification places like CE) are not following this advice. As I said, I have seen many devices with a metal case which aren't earthed, however they never had more than e.g. a single heat shrink at the incoming cable (or socket). They all are from "good" manufaturers like Sony, Panasonic etc.
@@pineappleroad This is not true, just another internet myth. I worked for the HSE for ten years and certainly some Chinese companies used to put a CE mark on products for no apparent reason and when questioned said it stood for 'Chinese Export'. But to state that 'CE is self-certified' is totally incorrect. Any company can add a CE mark to a product but unless it has been properly certified by an authorized body and supply a 'statement of conformity' with it so you can check who the testing company was, then they would be breaking the law. It would be like me driving around with a fake driving license and claiming I had self tested myself.
I use to use an esmoke not no more but when I used it in a car it left a film on the wind screens that have a bag glear on it at night I would not use one best to seem a car with a steamer and vodka
@Dusty 99 wtf dude I dont even drink booze the problem is that the bass is the same a elquied and it will leave a dangers film on the wind screen. Worsening the effect or head lamps and street lamp at night. Witch is a problem when in the winter I only get 5 to 6 hrs or day light where I live.
The best of these machines I've come across had a direct 240V live connection on pin 1 of the XLR. It's certain that people have blown up lighting systems and received shocks from this style of unit.
Before I watch the video, my immediate reaction is that having the bottles designed that way is a terrible idea. To a child, those will look like bottles of juice, and you can only hope that anybody who buys these would keep them well out of reach.
Martin JEM if you have the budget, but definitely keep away from plastic chinese crap and 'live' remotes - I've seen broken chinese smoke machines where the aluminum heater block melted and liquid molten metal dripped trough the vents, people burning their legs to scorching hot nozzles and so on. These things are definitely not compliant with the European regulations and are accidents wait to happen. (High temperature + 230V + liquid + partying people)
I can imagine it now "Pished, hossifer? Moi - Not at all. It's this alcohol based germincidal car foginating machine!". How's that for a get out of gaol card?
If you plugged in all your foggers at the same time would your house look like it's smoking? I often think of using a fog machine in my videos..where do you recommend I get what, and is there a particular unit that is better than the rest? Thanks :-)
For occasional use a basic cheap one is fine. But try and buy it from a prominent supplier in your home country so it complies with local safety standards.
There are many MSDS in many languages, all different. Ethylated Alcohols are fairly consistent but often Benzalkonium Chloride, Formaldehyde, and antibacterials too.
bigclivedotcom yes , used correctly after a proper interior clean, it’s effective at reducing or eliminating lingering smells such as Smoke / milk, dog odour etc.....to do it properly you need to run the AC on low setting / on recirculate , open all vents and fog interior till it’s full of the fog, leave it like that for 2 to 3 minutes then switch off engine, remove foggier, close door and leave with fog inside for 30 mins , then open all doors to vent.....used it many times with great results , it’s not a one hit wonder, you have to clean the interior properly first...wet vac/ steam etc etc 👍🇮🇲
12:47 / 14:07 - I'm sure it's just an Isle of Man oddity or joke, but over here in New Zealand we pronounce it with a silent t - ie 'Val-aye'. Then again we like our fush and chups too ;)'
I dont think you mentioned how much this one cost? I think you said $30 for one with the button normally. But didn't they at least alter it with the molded plastic bottle holder? Its not much, but at least they didn't just slap their own label on an existing unit. Unless they weren't the ones that made the change.. Maybe even that fluid is just a white label random chinese cleaner.
There is other stuff around that uses QACs (like benzalkonium chloride) and there are even a few other fog it or fogit products around. all from more trustworthy makers who even provide datasheets on the stuff. Those seem to be used in Hospitals, commecial kitchens, food industrie,... And it seems they prefer to atomize the stuff by using very fine spray nozzles and pressurized air. Which gets me to wonder, how heat stable the stuff even is. Is there still an active ingredient left after heating up to 240 °C?
I left mine for too long and burnt the pump and thermal fuses. Replaced the 230° and pump. It smokes, but up until the end it spews out the liquid. It doesnt shut off when temperature drops.
It took longer than I would like to admit to realise that Fog-it isn't a drink. 🤣🤣
I thought it was a New Yorker's exclamation of exasperation. "I can't get this thing to work. Fog it."
Me too
I wouldn't mind a cool glass of Fog-it on a hot day.
No, you're not supposed to drink it, only gargle with it.
@@millomweb if it has benzalkonium chloride in it, the good thing is that stuff is/was used in mouthwash as antiseptic/antibacterial ingredient as well. Well if... and depending on the concentration I would be more worried about other undisclosed ingedients.
Packaging of those "Lemonade bottles" is realy not what I would prefer and expect.
I lately looked up fogging devices for disinfection of rooms and equipment as well as odor removal. Seems there are quite a few systems out there. Going after which advertising jumps out of google, Fog-It seems to be the number one and by far the cheapest. Other systems which indeed showed actual pictures of use in hospitals, ambulances, commercial kitchens or for example meat processing (or food in general) industries seem to use similar active ingredients from what I could tell. some of those products even are named fog it plus or fogit Q but those come from completely different companies (one from switzerland I think, the other I cannot tell) The picture of a fogging device I have seen for those applications looked more like a big plastic jar/drum of about 30 liters capacity and mounted on the lid was what actually looked more like a spray nozzle using pressurized air to atomize the disinfectant. I think they even call it cold fogging or cold atomizing.
Other than the fruity, smelly, snake oily fog-it stuff you showed, for their products they have even data sheets available and they openly say that the main active ingredient is quaternary ammonium compunds, in which family benzalkonium chloride belongs among other substances.
For the colory stuff the most I could find was a very vague description of the scent. So it may actually contain some kind of QAV, then it would have at least some disinfectant properties. But I wonder, how stable is this stuff when heated?
Also color and scent in fruity variations seem to be a safety hazard and should be kept away from children, especially with undisclosed ingredients. Or is it really only a mixture of glycol and lemanade for looks and scent with no active disinfectant ingredient or at most ridiculously low concentrations?
FYI: The intake tubing weights are called "clunks". They are for pulling liquids out of tanks that may tilt or go inverted. I learned about this building and flying aerobatic RC planes. Thank goodness Electric power aircraft has made this a distant memory.
Who's kidnapped the real Clive, not picking the lurid pink one, whatever next?
Because the colours are red, yellow, green, and blue...
@@seanclarke5293 12:00 he identifies the "lurid pink one", but doesn't use it
After seeing how poor the insides are, I wanna tell this company to "fog off!" :D
nice one
ribbit!
@@johnpossum556 fog not frog you silly possum :P though "frog off" would be good as well
@@DocFr4nk But it's got a picture of a frog peaking over the top. (I really wonder what they were thinking when they did that. )
@@johnpossum556 "stupid people tried to eat tide pods, you reckon we can top that?" probably
You're the best. Before today I didn't know I would care about these. That was yesterday
I always feel bad when my projects have less than visually pleasing wiring, but then Clive opens retail products that look like that and I suddenly don't feel so bad.
It hardly ever fails, Clive seems to always find products with a missing ground AND a case referenced to live; even if but a tiny bit.
you don't have to put a ground on all electronics, barely a fraction of modern devices have this, you don't even have it on most of the plugs round the world.... so it's not "missing"
Those R’s are the most stupendous freeform circuitry I’ve ever seen!
Nice! Can you test it to see what residue it leaves behind, particularly on glass?
Yeah, you wouldn't want it to fog up the glass
It will leave a nasty oily "propylene glycol" film on glass and about everything else the fog settles on. Sticky leather. Makes fabric very hard to clean. Sticky greasy dashboard/instrument cluster Same thing with vaping in your car thr inside of your ac vents will be coated too meaning the pipes will collect dust like crazy
Its bad that the liquid looks like bottles of pop.
To top it off, the bottle caps aren't the child-proof type. How is this thing even legal to sell?
@@Kuraio Great point..its disgusting !
@@Kuraio I think the plans is for the fogger to have electrocuted you first.
@Lassi Kinnunen They sell the stuff to whoever throws a few bucks in their direction. Seems the company is more woried about what cars smel like and how to polish them and get them shiny.
No worse than me storing nitro model fuel in fruit shoot bottles 🤣
Gotta love a bottle of mystery chemicals that are vaporised into the air, nowt wrong with that at all... :P
Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go invent some coal tar hand sanitiser.......... :D
Coal tar is usually found in anti-dandruff shampoos and creams for psoriasis, and has been around since the 1800s.
Oh I know, just a somewhat topical (pardon the pun) joke given that there's all kinds of quackery going on with regards to hygiene and antiseptics cos of the pandemic... :P
That's easy, chip some tar off the road, get some coal from the fake fireplace and add some washing up liquid. DONE. :)
@@katrinabryce But those are heavily regulated by now due to the carcinogenicity. At least in Germany those shampoos don't exist anymore, and the creams have a long list of safety information, and are only used for psoriasis and other serious conditions and not just dandruff anymore. And you are supposed to only get it on affected areas, leave it on for the specified time and then very thoroughly wash it out. And at best use gloves while applying.
It's basically chemotherapy.
Someone needs to do a GCMS analysis to see what's in the formula! I hate when companies hide the data of what compounds are in a object
Different countries' MSDS sheets list varying ingredients. None of which should be consumed. I'd replace the tagline "clean fresh safe" with "clean fresh effective, do not inhale, keep away from children, do not dispose of into watercourses".
It's 100% pure snake oil.
The aussie SDS is one of the most useful.sets to check usually.as for hiding the data, the problem is the patent system is.worthless now because we in the West won't address the China issue the only.sensible.thing to do as a business is to use the Trade Secret systems.
"What flavour is this?"
You missed an opportunity to do the super scientific tongue test.
Lick Tested & Waterjet Channel approved! ( I own their titanium 10mm beer opener & keep it on my keychain as an EDC item. )
I chugged some of the orange stuff on a live stream (but didn't swallow it). It was sweet and tasted like grapefruit.
@@bigclivedotcom Sweet and fruity tasting seems very dangerous if a child gets a hold of it, and it's been very specifically bottled in a non-child safe fashion that also makes it look like exactly like a drink. I'd really like to know what's in it besides water and (I hope) propylene glycol. Artificial flavors that might be used for the scents tend to not be very sweet on their own. I hope they don't have ethylene glycol in here. Maybe vegetable glycerin? I know that's a bit on the sweeter side.
EDIT: Hmm... is this just cheap flavored vape fluid repackaged for alternate use after the bans in the US and elsewhere?
@@bigclivedotcom what makes this doubly dangerous is because they are so secretive about ingredients of a child did drink it a&e won’t know how to treat! I will try and look on toxbase later and see if I can get any info
@@frankbath208 I tried to look up the stuff. Some vague description on what it is supposed to smell like, but nothing else. scents range from mint, over lemon, fruit salad, new car... and that where those where I could at least imagine what they are supposed to smell like. Not very confidence inspiring.
We tried a number of times to request the data sheet for the fog it liquid itself a couple of years back. Lots of replies saying they would send it (as is a legal requirement) no response.
To this day we still don't know if the fluid does a single thing they claim as there is not a single bit of paperwork to confirm it
I used some A/C cleaner sprays recently because there was a smell everytime I turned the A/C on. I was sure the smell disappeared after that but now I'm very skeptical about it.
Edit: main ingredient is isopropanol, so maybe it did something... I doubt it.
Have you changed your cabin filters? Generally they only last 30-50k KM or one year.
Sometimes the inner coil too would hsve some dust
The effective treatments are foam, you won't get the whole interior surface with a spray, you feed in a long straw and fill it from the bottom till the foam comes out all the vents, a little on the messy side, usually done as part of an interior detail. As said definitely check your cabin filter.
@@brocktechnology maybe best to have an experienced garage service your A/C for you.
By the way, most manuals recommend to switch of the car A/C a few minutes before arival, so the evaporator coil can dry up and leave as little as possible moister within the air system. No moisture, no smell.
i bought a smoke machine once, except it was putting out real smoke (thing was rated 120v... -_-)
Lol
Big oof
Any machine can become a smoke machine.
@@tncorgi92 Not for long, though.
My microwave did that recently. Turns out the transformer turned into the most impressive show of electrically induced smoke I've ever seen from any electrical device.
Missed an opportunity for a collab with Ralfy! Could have been some delightful "tasting" notes.
Professional units to clean cars like that (having the hvac run and disinfect it, remove all germs and stuff) are actually highly potent ozone generators, you put them in the car for half an hour and after the car has been vented from the ozone, every smell is gone.
I've known people to have been shocked by a cracked remote on these. Possibly a silly question but why is the remote referenced to the mains and not a low voltage relay system or something?
Cost. The pump is literally wired across the heaters thermostat so that it only runs when the unit is hot and the contact is open. (The pump is run in series with the heater.)
Thanks for fully investigating that it is, in fact, a regular fogger 👍
As opposed to a full blown hard core mother fogger.
At first I thought the thumbnail was a bunch of drinks or flavoring syrup for shaved ice. Pretty soon the scammers will add some purple LEDs to make the fog glow purple and claim it has double the disinfectant power than normal foggers 😂
Ssshh! Don't give them any ideas.
Clive I know your video isn't focusing on this, but just saw another local business touting use of those UVC germicidal lamps for Covid 19. After watching your rather scary video earlier on these, I hope they use the damn things correctly!
Did a review of this on my channel. Interesting to see it taken apart.
Any machine is a smoke machine if you run it at a high enough voltage.
(Ask my FX-8350).
Were you atleast able to get some decent clocks out of it?
@@Toad_Hugger Yeah, but they don't count for much if what your doing features FLOPs lol.
Better to undervolt and underclock those chips for energy saving and stick 'em on mostly integer tasks.
Oh no you poor soul
Hey Clive, would you be willing to do a teardown on a properly built professional fog machine or better yet a hazer? Would be neat to see the comparison.
I've featured some in the past when making videos at work. Same principle, but better control and extra safety features.
"Treat it like a disposable item"
Well the manufacturer is treating customers as disposable....
Too many companies _DO_ consider customers to be disposable. It's a damn shame, but it's reality.
So I recall one of the local vape shops, a smaller one but frequented quite heavily, had a fire in the duct work just a year after opening. It always made me think maybe saturating dust with glycerin micro-droplets and then running that through an undersized exhaust fan might just be a recipe for an overheated motor... it would be interesting to test that hypothesis and I suppose just agitating a used vacuum bag would provide the dust and lint.... It may be worth an investigation.
All right, Clive...don't go huffing the Fog-It, now... :-)
Back in Highschool 00 01ish. We "Borrowed" The Smoke Machine from The Drama club. My friends had a Little shack out back of hos House to hang out. Well we plug it in and no smoke.. Looking waiting (didn't know it had to heat up) and Pooof Filled a 15x20ft room in 2 seconds..we were tripping over each other to get Out. His Mom Thought we were On Fire. Ah good Time's
Come now Clive. You know the rules of the channel: if there is a color option you must choose the pink or purple one.
Could those look any more like soft drinks?
12:56 I thought I heard you say, "German odor killer".
Nah that's called Zyklon B.
Seems like a REAL good idea to make cleaning chemicals look like fruit juice. The kids will love it.
BAC I think breaks down around the 160°C mark, so even if it did contain that, it wouldn't be an "active ingredient" if heated to 240°C... plus I thought that, as a biocide, it had to be on the label, but yeah, "should be" doesn't always mean a whole lot!
It would be interesting if you could test the effectiveness of the fog. Maybe use agar plates - germ both, have one as a control and fog the other and compare them.
The imagery of the label with the leaf, kinda makes me think of something pesticide something, repurposed for cars. I wonder what their company was doing before this?
Ryobi has released a cordless fogger thing. Might be worth a look
For the longest time during your the @BigCliveLive streams I thought that was lemonade.
Ethoxylated alcohol is another term for polyethylene glycol, or probably just ethylene glycol in this case
I wondered that, but couldn't correlate them online.
the bottles that look like panda pops are a law suite waiting to happen if a kid drinks one
Why so much space?
I love panda pops! I’ve not had one in years
The poison control folks must love companies that put their candy-coloured cleaners in cartoon-festooned pop bottles....
Without specifying active ingredients, no less.
Test the disenfecting ability
Wouldn't the water in the "juice" do a fairly good job of keeping the BAC down to reasonable temps? Once it vaporizes I would expect the resulting fog leaves the machine at pretty high velocity, not leaving much time for additional heating of the BAC.
Could the heater block be an induction heater warm up times would be quicker?
And then used for a burglar smoke screen, rather than leaving the block heater using power till its required.
Works exceptionally well removing odours, used by many pro valeters
Pink one looks almost fluorescent on my screen.
And.... yeah.... nothing about this feels right to me. 240c is quite hot, and I seriously doubt they've tested all their dyes, scents, and chemicals for decomposition products. I'd be willing to bet any antiseptic qualities would be rendered useless, so you end up with a car that's still not sanitized, but with the bonus of some toxic fumes.
If I was tasked with coming up with a disinfecting fog device I would probably create something that uses ultrasonic foggers in a container deep enough to prevent splashing with a fan to blow the fog around the space. No heat, low power, and I don't think most chemicals break down when exposed to ultrasonics. 🤔
The fact that the heating element is at 240 C doesn't mean most of the fogging agent reaches that temperature. Turn your stove on and drop water on it: the water will reach 100 C, its boiling point, change into gas and be expelled. From another comment, the main ingredient is isopropyl, so it's going to reach 80 C, vaporize, and carry the higher boiling point components out as an aerosol, hence the "fog".
Ummm my sceptic-sense is tingling would they realy deodorize and disinfect every surface in the car? but nice tear down as ever Captain Clive
Depends on the concentration of the disinfectants and deodorants in the fog and how thickly you fog the space, so maybe?
The glycol component is a potent anti bacterial, even at very low concentrations. I would imagine that brownian motion would carry it to most surfaces, and disinfect them which will deal with most of the odours. The fragrance in the mixture would then probably mask the rest.
Or at least that's probably what they'd claim.
Some of it is even true.
@@TheMatthooks most professional fog cleaning systems use chlorine dioxide as the active ingredient. It is extremely reactive and destroys odor molecules and pathogens.
7:45 It's so cheap they dont even include a pcb in the controller? or the magnetic insert on the outside
I use the Martin Magnum 1200 which has the advantage of low power switching so no pops over the audio.
Dear Clive,
Can you please clarify what is 'cheap' i.e. the price, thank you :-)
One of these machines can be bought for around $25.
@@bigclivedotcom My Local Ebay doesn't have them for sale sadly, I want one to wire to an arduino for an effect I've been thinking about.
@@Krutonium 400W smoke machine?
@@bigclivedotcom Aha, That seems to have worked! Ebay was just showing me fluid for them, and then, only 6 items total. Thanks!
"The V4 Fog-It machine has a 400w motor which is suitable for vehicle deodorising." Straight from their website that just redirects to their car detailing site.
1/2 hp, very impressive! Too bad the chinese have turned into the world wide braggers of electronics goods.
@@johnpossum556 No, too bad it is a 400w heater. No motor.
@@1kreature An even better brag! I'll bet its fog cures sterility, too!
If this actually works as a disinfectant/antiviral, this would be quite neat, and definitely warrant a test? Maybe some petri dishes?
What flavor fluid to use? Lurid PINK of course!!
Any car sold in the EU and probably also in the UK and USA is required to have a gap between the door and the body of the car, so that in case someone's fingers are in-between the finger is not cut off. That's why there are these thick flexible door rubbers on every car. This also means that it is safe to route a cable through the door of the car and close the door.
The official BMW software requires you to connect an ethernet cable and close the door to execute an update and teach in the windows afterwards. (The door needs to be closed to teach in the window and the cable can obviously not be routed through the window).
Good points, but what do you mean please by "teach in the window" ?
@@theskett The position of the electric window is monitored using quadrature encoders on the actuator motor. When something other than the end position (e.g. your finger) causes the window to slow down, it immediately stops to prevent injury. After a software update, the absolute position is lost and need to be re-learned by opening and closing the window with this protection switched off. Earlier models use current monitoring but also required teaching in for setting the current limit.
Excellent explanation, thank you; so "teach in" is a term of art that I hadn't heard before.
And my buddy's dog won't get badly bitten by your window, once the latter's trained :-)
Thought it was a drink, I would still drink it tho, looks appetising.
Hi Clive! Great video as usual! :) Do you have any ideas how to test if this car disinfectant is effective at all?
How hot do the chemicals get as they travel through that capillary tube? They will obviously hit over 100°C (boiling point of the water with whatever is devolved in it) but with the water rapidly turning to a steam and accelerating the remainder of the fluid down the tube, it makes me wonder if the majority of the fog produced isn’t much above that temperature.
Perhaps the narrow tube is deliberate to reduce the time the fog is in the machine after the water boils.
Probably, most coffee makers have such fuses in the 120-140C range from what I've seen. I've fixed a lot of these over the years. Those "thermal" fuses often seem to go out with brownout like voltage spikes in the system, too.
One thing I never understood: why are there metal devices, which claim to be double insulated (and therefore are not grounded). Particularly a lot of HiFi receivers, for example all my Onkyo receivers. Onkyo is a known brand, so its probably correct, I just don't know why it can be double insulated. The core of the transformer in these units is bolted directly to the chassis, so between life and (possibly) your hand there is only the plastic "winding insert" in the transformer and the enamel coating of the windings.
No different from any other double insulated device. Take a laptop charger, you easily contact the outer barrel connector, or maybe you touch the outer shell of a USB cable when plugging it into a USB charger, or you plug a phone with metal chassis into said charger. The limiting, most dangerous, case on both is touching an exposed contact, so the safety standards are designed for that. It doesn't matter whether the exposed area is big or small.
@@straightpipediesel ok thanks. The way I learnt it was that anything that has a metal case must be earthed. (Because if something fails the case could go live). This is what confuses me. In the reciever, a primary transformer wire could detach and make the case go live. Yet it says "double insulated" and only requires a two pin plug.
Edit: the IEC rules state that this is possible, but anything live inside the case must be double (redundantly) isolated.
It seems like device manufacturers (even established ones, not only cheap chinese ones)(and the certification places like CE) are not following this advice. As I said, I have seen many devices with a metal case which aren't earthed, however they never had more than e.g. a single heat shrink at the incoming cable (or socket). They all are from "good" manufaturers like Sony, Panasonic etc.
@@pineappleroad oh, didn't knew that... Just that a lot of Chinese crap stuff fakes the logo
@@pineappleroad This is not true, just another internet myth. I worked for the HSE for ten years and certainly some Chinese companies used to put a CE mark on products for no apparent reason and when questioned said it stood for 'Chinese Export'.
But to state that 'CE is self-certified' is totally incorrect.
Any company can add a CE mark to a product but unless it has been properly certified by an authorized body and supply a 'statement of conformity' with it so you can check who the testing company was, then they would be breaking the law. It would be like me driving around with a fake driving license and claiming I had self tested myself.
I use to use an esmoke not no more but when I used it in a car it left a film on the wind screens that have a bag glear on it at night I would not use one best to seem a car with a steamer and vodka
@Dusty 99 wtf dude I dont even drink booze the problem is that the bass is the same a elquied and it will leave a dangers film on the wind screen. Worsening the effect or head lamps and street lamp at night. Witch is a problem when in the winter I only get 5 to 6 hrs or day light where I live.
an xlr connector..... theres probably a bunch of people in the past that tought this is DMX comaptible and fried their racks with mains voltage
Isn't this XLR connector used for everything from guitars to 230V supply and no-one would plug it i without knowing exactly what's on which pin?
The best of these machines I've come across had a direct 240V live connection on pin 1 of the XLR. It's certain that people have blown up lighting systems and received shocks from this style of unit.
But how does it taste in a sodastream
it would be interesting if he demoed it before disassembly!
Not sure if I would trust that on leather seats either.
another one for trading standards
Those drinks look yummy!!
I can't get my hands on the fog-it odour agent here in the states.
So its a fog machine that sends you to heaven if you press down on the case slightly. Bug or feature?
I would like to see you take apart a dry fogger spray nozzle from Monster Garden
Before I watch the video, my immediate reaction is that having the bottles designed that way is a terrible idea. To a child, those will look like bottles of juice, and you can only hope that anybody who buys these would keep them well out of reach.
Well, at least your children will produce fog...
They do look delicious don't they?
Try having caustic soda sizzling on your tongue, it's not nice.
I tasted one in a live stream. It was sweet and grapefruity. (I spat it out.) Hopefully it's not toxic as there are no proper warnings on the bottle.
@@bigclivedotcom Where is this live stream ?
Hi Clive, could you advice me a smoke machine reliable and safe :-)
One bought from a prominent supplier in your country. In the UK that could be CPC.
Martin JEM if you have the budget, but definitely keep away from plastic chinese crap and 'live' remotes - I've seen broken chinese smoke machines where the aluminum heater block melted and liquid molten metal dripped trough the vents, people burning their legs to scorching hot nozzles and so on. These things are definitely not compliant with the European regulations and are accidents wait to happen. (High temperature + 230V + liquid + partying people)
@@bigclivedotcom Thank you
Re the pump - is that spade connection an earth terminal ?
Yes.
@@bigclivedotcom That would suggest the pump was designed to be earthed - including its mounting screws ;)
A tad non-compliant then.
Let me bring in the continuety tester.
You know it's going to be good. 🤣😂
The best way to kill germs and odours in a car is ozone!
did you say it was a german odour killer?
I looked too quickly and thought this said "frog it" :)
I can imagine it now "Pished, hossifer? Moi - Not at all. It's this alcohol based germincidal car foginating machine!". How's that for a get out of gaol card?
If you plugged in all your foggers at the same time would your house look like it's smoking?
I often think of using a fog machine in my videos..where do you recommend I get what, and is there a particular unit that is better than the rest?
Thanks :-)
For occasional use a basic cheap one is fine. But try and buy it from a prominent supplier in your home country so it complies with local safety standards.
does it real sanitise? Can't believ that. Also the bottles are not kid friendly, *oh lemonade*
There's got to be an MSDS for it if they're using it in the US. You can't give a worker any chemical without an MSDS here.
There are many MSDS in many languages, all different. Ethylated Alcohols are fairly consistent but often Benzalkonium Chloride, Formaldehyde, and antibacterials too.
Hey could’ve swapped it for Kool Aid and drank some!!!
So, to convert this for 110v (N.America), it would just take longer to get up to temp?
You can get the same style of machine cheaply in the USA.
@@bigclivedotcom Thanks. I hadn't really looked yet.
We’ve used fog it for years......but with a better quality machine than that....👍🇮🇲
Does it have a useful effect in the vehicle?
bigclivedotcom yes , used correctly after a proper interior clean, it’s effective at reducing or eliminating lingering smells such as Smoke / milk, dog odour etc.....to do it properly you need to run the AC on low setting / on recirculate , open all vents and fog interior till it’s full of the fog, leave it like that for 2 to 3 minutes then switch off engine, remove foggier, close door and leave with fog inside for 30 mins , then open all doors to vent.....used it many times with great results , it’s not a one hit wonder, you have to clean the interior properly first...wet vac/ steam etc etc 👍🇮🇲
For a sec I thought you were gonna drink the cleaning liquid when you took the top off.
WOW! that remote is so crap, I can't believe it is so sketchy
It's "minimalist".
so, a sketchy fog machine with suspect liquid + food coloring?
12:47 / 14:07 - I'm sure it's just an Isle of Man oddity or joke, but over here in New Zealand we pronounce it with a silent t - ie 'Val-aye'. Then again we like our fush and chups too ;)'
It probably leaves a nasty film on the glass.
I dont think you mentioned how much this one cost? I think you said $30 for one with the button normally. But didn't they at least alter it with the molded plastic bottle holder? Its not much, but at least they didn't just slap their own label on an existing unit. Unless they weren't the ones that made the change.. Maybe even that fluid is just a white label random chinese cleaner.
ANOTHER GREAT VIDEO!!!!!
Pump looks like the type from a steam generator iron
Mmmmmmm. Forbidden drinks.
It's always your videos I get early to. Idk why
Probably best you didn't get people to choose a colour/flavour otherwise a game of "Let's gas Clive!" may rapidly ensue!
Otherwise known as the Big Clive Live streams once he's had a few dark and stormies in him ;)
Can fog-it be carbonated?
These are £75 on amazon. There's ones for £28 would they fog machines work with this so called "liquid" then as its no different inside?
It does appear to be a standard fog machine with a sticker on it.
Good fog 🌫 for disco party and laser show! 😎🕺🏿🎉😄
All this stuff is just crap. The only way to do a good job is use a ozone generator. But that doesn't look as theatrical.
There is other stuff around that uses QACs (like benzalkonium chloride) and there are even a few other fog it or fogit products around. all from more trustworthy makers who even provide datasheets on the stuff. Those seem to be used in Hospitals, commecial kitchens, food industrie,... And it seems they prefer to atomize the stuff by using very fine spray nozzles and pressurized air. Which gets me to wonder, how heat stable the stuff even is. Is there still an active ingredient left after heating up to 240 °C?
240°C or °F?
Is the 130° thermal fuse nc or no?
I left mine for too long and burnt the pump and thermal fuses. Replaced the 230° and pump. It smokes, but up until the end it spews out the liquid. It doesnt shut off when temperature drops.
230° fuse replaced with nc
By the way i dont know how to read diagrams.
Feel good quackery imo.