The U.S. MLRS was used the night before we crossed the boarder into Iraq. Most impressive display of firepower. They are also nuclear capable, using low yield tac nukes. We had the Staffordshire 7th armoured attached to us. We all got a wonderful light show that night.
@@KingSpittusFactus ATACMS has never had a nuc option, the original round had the APAM (antipersonnel-antimaterial) submunitions. There was a plan to field both a SADAM and BAT submunition version but those never were fielded. During GWOT because of the concerns over UXO they replaces the APAM with initially the Quick Reaction Unitary Round, which used the warhead from harpoon missile. Later these were all standardized with a 500lbs class warhead.
Smerch has a special kind of submunition in reality. It's packed like cluster ammo and has a little parachute. As it falls down, it searches for targets and when it finds one, this sub ammo carrier fires a grenade at it. This way, it can hit vehicles, artillery systems etc, but leave the buildings untouched.
the BM--30 Smerch can fire a variety of ammunitions, the payload of the rockets can be non-guided cluster (like you used), non-guided thermobaric, non guided drone deployement (the drone is remote controled after that indeed), or cluster antitank submunition with 6x antitank IR submunitions (pretty much the same that you have in CBU 105 US bomb). as for DCS, i don't know if they allow such a choice of ammunition in combined arms
Yeah, these are all unguided rockets, just like you thought. Some modern RL systems do have them (heck, even modern tube artillery has guided shells) but not anything in DCS. Though the unguided rockets do have a place anyhow, they're a lot cheaper to make and still perfectly fine as a suppression and area-saturation weapon.
Although there are legacy rounds out there that are free flight, larger, longer range systems require a some form of course correction round. Once you get beyond around 30KM natural dispersion becomes so great that without it you get such a large CEP that to have any effect you have to shoot so many rounds that it becomes you cannot fire enough to have effects
Had to look this up but it's an interesting story, bear in mind this was literally only a quick skim of a few wikipedia articles so it may lack truthiness. The BM-21 Grad dates to 1963, the ones used in the Second World War were the BM-8, BM-13 and BM-31 dating to 1939. The military designations of the WW2 ones were kept secret so the soldiers nicknamed them Katyusha (a popular wartime song about a girl called Gretel) because they were marked K for Voronezh Komintern Factory, this nickname also gets applied to later MLRS like the Grad.
The M270's M26 ammunition while not strong enough to penetrate hardened armor, is certainly strong enough to penetrate an engine block, or the light armor found on APCs. There are MUCH more effective rounds with significantly increased range for that platform than what is modeled in DCS currently. It is also the launcher for the ATACM missile system.
One paper they submunitions have 2.75” of penetration. I have seen DPICM used, everything above ground (to include armor) is either on fire or turned into small chunks of hamburger.
You're just sacrificing accuracy when you fire them near their maximum range, I guess. Maybe weather factors take place in these situations, maybe wind diverges the missiles, or maybe some minor random factors during the firing process will interfere with the trajectory of the missile. And of course, at these long ranges, every single fraction of an angle will have its result hugely magnified, so you have to be much more precise when aiming and still account for weather factors interference.
It does look fairly similar to the WW2 one, though. Main difference is using tubes instead of rails for firing the rockets. Otherwise it's the same idea, launcher mounted on the back of an otherwise-ordinary-looking truck.
You packed the targeted vehicles way too close together, it's not even remotely realistic like that. In real conditions the vehicles would be much more spread apart, causing more vehicles to be hit by the wide spread radius the rocket hits. So in fact, the wide spread deviation of the rockets is not a bad thing, it's actually a good thing since it effects more target area causing more enemy targets to be hit over a wider area range. Afterall, this is what the MLRS is meant to do, to effect as much targeted area coverage as possible, not to impact on a small area point... you're complerely missing the actual point of this weapon system lol Of course, today there are also modern guided rockets available for precison strike missions, but this is for a different mission. So it always depends for what mission you need it. If you want to hit a specific target point there are precision guided (GPS) missiles, and for wide spread area effect use the unguided ballistic rockets for wide spread effect.
These feel more like weapons used on a front rather than specific targets. If that was a front of Infantry, tanks and support vehicles moving forward then having several of these firing with the spread would probably be fine.
I love your DCS Combined Arms tutorials. Good job! I have just one huge complaint - for the love of god, stop pronouncing that 'french r' in Russian words, please lol
was anyone hopeing DCS spawned a train that ran over all the rocket launchers, also cap DCPIM is basicly anti material clustermunitions, something like 100mm pf penitration, also comes with alot of other options that im assumeing DCS dosent model
Interesting video. If you want more info on Soviet/russian MLRS/MRLS then i recommend the book by Jamie Pernatt and Adam Hook: Osprey Publishing New Vanguard nr. 235 Katyusha ISBN 978-1-4728-1086-1 DPICM is Dual Purpose Improved concentional munition, a kind of jack of all trades missile/rocket
Remember, DCS simulates technology available in the 80's. Today, we do have precision munitions that can be launched from MLRSs. Also, there's a game you might like called Wargame: Red Dragon.
Yeah DCS aint up to the time on many of the weapons. Wargame: Red Dragon is in not realistic if thats what you meant; distances is all of, weapon ranges is all of, accuracy is all off and weapons loadout is all off. But its a damn fun game, definately worth a buy.
Hello. I've watched when the Ukraine ATO getting hot whole batteries (3-5in a battery) of theses letting loose........and the other end as well...Nasty. N.A.T.O. Command had the major horn over these due to how hard they was to counter battery.
The Chinese moved away from these system as one general put it, they are fantastic weapons for making huge holes but not very effective in terms of war. Guided munitions are the only way to go these days
The U.S. MLRS was used the night before we crossed the boarder into Iraq. Most impressive display of firepower. They are also nuclear capable, using low yield tac nukes. We had the Staffordshire 7th armoured attached to us. We all got a wonderful light show that night.
Wait they're nuclear capable?? I've seen these things firing at a very high rate, does that means these launchers can deliver a nuke barrage ??
I drive that thing since 6 years and it is an amazing system
@@yasuologitech1084 no they can load the ATACMS and these are 2 nuclear capable warheads instead of 12
We also have them in the german army, the sound is awesome
@@KingSpittusFactus ATACMS has never had a nuc option, the original round had the APAM (antipersonnel-antimaterial) submunitions. There was a plan to field both a SADAM and BAT submunition version but those never were fielded. During GWOT because of the concerns over UXO they replaces the APAM with initially the Quick Reaction Unitary Round, which used the warhead from harpoon missile. Later these were all standardized with a 500lbs class warhead.
Russian
Grad (Град) = Hail
Uragan (Ураган) = Hurricane
Smerch (Смерч) = Tornado or whirlwind
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You could say the Russians want to make it hail.
Cap I gotta hand it to you. I asked if GR could do some CA tutorial, and you've blown me away with this series. Thank you so much!
Oh yes it was you wasn;t it! Pleasure
Smerch has a special kind of submunition in reality. It's packed like cluster ammo and has a little parachute. As it falls down, it searches for targets and when it finds one, this sub ammo carrier fires a grenade at it. This way, it can hit vehicles, artillery systems etc, but leave the buildings untouched.
The BM-13 Katyusha was used in WW2 and it is a different system. The MLRS shown here is the BM-21 Grad (Hail) and was developed in the 50s.
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With the rockets inherent inaccuracy, no need to add spread so it would seem. Loved this video.
the BM--30 Smerch can fire a variety of ammunitions, the payload of the rockets can be non-guided cluster (like you used), non-guided thermobaric, non guided drone deployement (the drone is remote controled after that indeed), or cluster antitank submunition with 6x antitank IR submunitions (pretty much the same that you have in CBU 105 US bomb). as for DCS, i don't know if they allow such a choice of ammunition in combined arms
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There's no vehicle loadout options in CA at the moment, unfortunately. Maybe some day.
Yeah, these are all unguided rockets, just like you thought. Some modern RL systems do have them (heck, even modern tube artillery has guided shells) but not anything in DCS. Though the unguided rockets do have a place anyhow, they're a lot cheaper to make and still perfectly fine as a suppression and area-saturation weapon.
thx
Although there are legacy rounds out there that are free flight, larger, longer range systems require a some form of course correction round. Once you get beyond around 30KM natural dispersion becomes so great that without it you get such a large CEP that to have any effect you have to shoot so many rounds that it becomes you cannot fire enough to have effects
Had to look this up but it's an interesting story, bear in mind this was literally only a quick skim of a few wikipedia articles so it may lack truthiness.
The BM-21 Grad dates to 1963, the ones used in the Second World War were the BM-8, BM-13 and BM-31 dating to 1939.
The military designations of the WW2 ones were kept secret so the soldiers nicknamed them Katyusha (a popular wartime song about a girl called Gretel) because they were marked K for Voronezh Komintern Factory, this nickname also gets applied to later MLRS like the Grad.
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I was a MLRS Crewchief, thanks for the video
The M270's M26 ammunition while not strong enough to penetrate hardened armor, is certainly strong enough to penetrate an engine block, or the light armor found on APCs.
There are MUCH more effective rounds with significantly increased range for that platform than what is modeled in DCS currently. It is also the launcher for the ATACM missile system.
thx
One paper they submunitions have 2.75” of penetration. I have seen DPICM used, everything above ground (to include armor) is either on fire or turned into small chunks of hamburger.
You're just sacrificing accuracy when you fire them near their maximum range, I guess. Maybe weather factors take place in these situations, maybe wind diverges the missiles, or maybe some minor random factors during the firing process will interfere with the trajectory of the missile. And of course, at these long ranges, every single fraction of an angle will have its result hugely magnified, so you have to be much more precise when aiming and still account for weather factors interference.
I’m guessing you didn’t account for the wind and/or target elevation difference, hence why the manually launched missiles undershot the way they did.
The M26 tactical rocket uses the M77 dual purpose, improved conventional munitions submunition.
that old soviet MLRS wasn't used in WW 2 looks to new, i would say the 1960's.
I think its the BM-21 used in 1963.
Blue Maca 1961 :)
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It does look fairly similar to the WW2 one, though. Main difference is using tubes instead of rails for firing the rockets. Otherwise it's the same idea, launcher mounted on the back of an otherwise-ordinary-looking truck.
@@grimreapersyou were thinking of the BM-13 Katyusha.
Brilliant Cap will play this tomorrow
Good man
The M270 has the M26 cluster ammo in the game
Maybe you missed because of wind effects. Thx for testing!
You packed the targeted vehicles way too close together, it's not even remotely realistic like that. In real conditions the vehicles would be much more spread apart, causing more vehicles to be hit by the wide spread radius the rocket hits. So in fact, the wide spread deviation of the rockets is not a bad thing, it's actually a good thing since it effects more target area causing more enemy targets to be hit over a wider area range. Afterall, this is what the MLRS is meant to do, to effect as much targeted area coverage as possible, not to impact on a small area point... you're complerely missing the actual point of this weapon system lol
Of course, today there are also modern guided rockets available for precison strike missions, but this is for a different mission. So it always depends for what mission you need it.
If you want to hit a specific target point there are precision guided (GPS) missiles, and for wide spread area effect use the unguided ballistic rockets for wide spread effect.
I'd love to see what sort of ridiculous altitude these gets on there max range
oo good idea
The AI DONT FIRE what could be the issue i even assigned them fire at point and time
May sams like the Tunguska or the Tor intercept any of those rockets??
neg
These feel more like weapons used on a front rather than specific targets. If that was a front of Infantry, tanks and support vehicles moving forward then having several of these firing with the spread would probably be fine.
rgr Agree
The MLRS from the amerikan looks best I think
You were trying to hit precisely but its for AxB area hitting. You cant land 2 hits at same position.
I love your DCS Combined Arms tutorials. Good job! I have just one huge complaint - for the love of god, stop pronouncing that 'french r' in Russian words, please lol
LOLz :v
lols
was anyone hopeing DCS spawned a train that ran over all the rocket launchers, also cap DCPIM is basicly anti material clustermunitions, something like 100mm pf penitration, also comes with alot of other options that im assumeing DCS dosent model
wow thanks. Lol at train
If you can drive a tank in War Thunder, you can drive a tank in this game.
Interesting video.
If you want more info on Soviet/russian MLRS/MRLS then i recommend the book by Jamie Pernatt and Adam Hook:
Osprey Publishing New Vanguard nr. 235 Katyusha ISBN 978-1-4728-1086-1
DPICM is Dual Purpose Improved concentional munition, a kind of jack of all trades missile/rocket
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The BM-21 (GRAD) was introduced in 1963.
Wait 7miles is supposed to be 3km? Which is about 2 miles..... Somethings not adding up
Remember, DCS simulates technology available in the 80's. Today, we do have precision munitions that can be launched from MLRSs.
Also, there's a game you might like called Wargame: Red Dragon.
Yeah DCS aint up to the time on many of the weapons.
Wargame: Red Dragon is in not realistic if thats what you meant; distances is all of, weapon ranges is all of, accuracy is all off and weapons loadout is all off.
But its a damn fun game, definately worth a buy.
Hello.
I've watched when the Ukraine ATO getting hot whole batteries (3-5in a battery) of theses letting loose........and the other end as well...Nasty. N.A.T.O. Command had the major horn over these due to how hard they was to counter battery.
The soviets used Katyusha to enter Germany at wwii.
OOOOHHHHHH! Arty porn! M270 MLRS aka Grid Square Removal System.
Cap can you do a Allied Fast Battleship vs U.S CSG
The Chinese moved away from these system as one general put it, they are fantastic weapons for making huge holes but not very effective in terms of war. Guided munitions are the only way to go these days
How to switch to 3rd person view in these vehicles? Anyone who knows please reply...
You need to convert NM nutical miles to km
Lol
Funny how the only one uou didn't drive was the one from USA.
that's a horrible place to park your super expensive, and very explosive artillery pieces...
meh they like it there they said
ED need free combined arm , buy is useless😂
WW2 - Korea
Grad is Cold War 🤦♂️
Ukraine 💙💛
Wish i could invert the mouse.