Guitar Legend Paul Reed Smith Unveils Secrets

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  • Опубліковано 10 чер 2024
  • Paul Reed Smith himself sets the record straight on industry myths and guitar player misconceptions. Plus Paul, Nathaniel, and Alex Chadwick trade riffs in an epic guitar battle!
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    CHAPTERS:
    00:00 - Introduction
    01:25 - "Lets have a disagreement with the internet"
    02:35 - Does Tonewood Matter?
    07:00 - Non guitar players are better at judging guitars
    08:08 - Pauls new pedal
    09:22 - Trust your experience
    11:11 - Some vintage guitars are magical
    12:25 Trust the experts
    17:55 GUITAR BATTLE!
    26:46 Q&A

КОМЕНТАРІ • 471

  • @chicagomusicexchange
    @chicagomusicexchange  21 день тому +17

    OK! So, first and foremost we here at The Chicago Music Exchange LOVE every one of you and love the spirited debate going on here! Please remember a couple of things, we sell an extremely broad range of guitars that cover you from a $300 couch acoustics to wickedly loud colored shredders, every color/shape of strats and all the way up to $400,000 vintage Les Pauls. And that breadth exists for a reason, because the breadth of interests and tastes of the guitar player industry is vast. And hence so is the breadth of opinions out there in regards to each and every type of guitar player! Please keep that in mind when you swing for the fences with each typed comment on here, please keep it civil and remember - we all just want to keep playing music and having fun while doing it!
    Thank you!
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    • @chicagomusicexchange
      @chicagomusicexchange  21 день тому +5

      Also we have not deleted any comments and did not purposely hide likes/dislikes. By default that feature is turned off. We've turned it on so THUMBS AWAY!

    • @jevans9359
      @jevans9359 21 день тому +11

      I dont think anyone is blaming CME for hosting Paul Reed Smith. I think many people are put off by his theories and condescending behavior.

    • @dilesmavis1196
      @dilesmavis1196 20 днів тому +7

      "Breath of opinions" is an interesting way to put something that has already been settled scientifically. Love CME, don't hold this interview against you in anyway, I already know what a crackpot Paul is. But, realize you are inviting someone who's arguments are flimsy at best, and full of ad hominem arguments - the guy has had multiple embarrassing videos pulled from youtube - you gotta know who you're inviting.

    • @GJ-yr5jo
      @GJ-yr5jo 17 днів тому +3

      CME is absolutely not at fault for hosting PRS. It's part of the industry and you're doing a great job by facilitating discussion and driving the industry forward. It's just a pity that this time, it ended up in a windbag sounding like a fool on stage. But that reflects poorly on him, not on CME.

    • @DMSBrian24
      @DMSBrian24 10 днів тому +1

      No one's disliking because of CME and in fact, most of us probably appreciate PRS guitars, I own a Santana myself and it sounds amazing. It's cool to see that you're willing to provide a forum to this important discussion and I'll like the video just for that reason. The reason why many people dislike it is because they disagree with Paul on this subject or think that he's ridiculing their valid criticism (which if you ask me, is absolutely the case here), it's the same as News channels posting news about sth terrible happening and getting a ton of dislikes, often it's not about coverage, it's about the subject itself.

  • @IMPULSOESTATICO
    @IMPULSOESTATICO Місяць тому +138

    Classic boomer starting the conversation blaming "the internet people in their basement" for opinions he doesn't like.

    • @disco4535
      @disco4535 Місяць тому +1

      "Blaming"? Blaming them for what? He made a statement on a group's opinion, threw in a jab to make the basement dwellers cry,a dn then made his argument. Typical victimhood addict "why he blaming me reeee"

    • @thefilmandmusic
      @thefilmandmusic 27 днів тому +2

      Or aren’t correct ..

    • @maxeickholt
      @maxeickholt 25 днів тому +24

      @@thefilmandmusicthen why does he use ad hominem and not just address the actual arguments, not the ones me makes up in his head.

    • @aboomer420
      @aboomer420 20 днів тому +10

      @@thefilmandmusic Did you watch Jim Lill's video? Might want to before you make yourself look stupid on the internet again.

  • @rustyshackleford288
    @rustyshackleford288 25 днів тому +56

    Paul does such a great job here...at alienating people who don't already own his instruments. He calls anyone who disagrees an idiot and a loser as if no one who would consider buying from him discounts the importance of tonewood. Btw, PRS guitars are not known for their amazing tone, they are known for their beauty and overrated quality control (believe me, I can find flaws on any PRS, especially in the finish work). paul is obsessed with the "science" of selecting tonewood but guitars made 70 years ago by people who didn't care sound way better? That makes him a failure at what he prizes most. And why do ppl say they don't sound as good? The pickups! Swap them out and they sound just as good as something else with the same pickups. No one argues that nuts and saddles and strings don't matter, only Paul makes that disingenuous argument. I don't think he knows what he's arguing against but it says a lot about a person that he so adamantly defends an argument he doesn't understand

    • @JayceAllanGuitar
      @JayceAllanGuitar 20 днів тому +2

      He's been doing this same song and dance, almost word for word as far as a year ago (probably longer) there's a video from Dipped In Tone podcast that was around a year ago and he makes the violin analogy and all that, sounds like he's reading from a script.

  • @t23c56
    @t23c56 22 дні тому +74

    Legitimately was going to buy a prs guitar, but probably won't after watching that. I can't with good conscience give this man my money.

    • @johnbach2380
      @johnbach2380 19 днів тому +3

      TO be fair 90 percent of the legacy guitar world are tone wood believers. 😂
      Prs makes amazing instruments regardless of this crap.

    • @Daledavispratt
      @Daledavispratt 18 днів тому +1

      I'm with you on that. It's hard to separate the man from his product, although they are nice instruments.

  • @abiishk
    @abiishk 29 днів тому +39

    was this guy ever dropped on his head?

  • @dilesmavis1196
    @dilesmavis1196 Місяць тому +168

    Embarrassing arguments, I had to eventually stop and walk away. The argument is about tone woods in electrics, but he's talking about strings, vaseline, violins, rubber bridges, putting electric parts on an acoustic - none of these things address the actual argument. What a smoke and mirror show. Love how he says the audience had the courage to bring it up first - he literally invites them to...

    • @kylebollendorf4856
      @kylebollendorf4856 29 днів тому

      He’s so hard to listen to…maybe he’s just a natural contrarian. even though I respect his opinion and skill as a luthier and businessman, he comes across like a complete condescending douche

    • @pm9928
      @pm9928 27 днів тому +3

      Actually in mentioning those variables like nuts and strings and all he's talking about *holding them Constant* to find what rings the longest... seems fair

    • @davidtomkins4242
      @davidtomkins4242 26 днів тому +17

      Paul fundamentally doesn’t understand what the tonewood argument is about

    • @Slime-Man-Extreme
      @Slime-Man-Extreme 25 днів тому +23

      @@davidtomkins4242 He knows the argument, I'm sure. It's just in his best interest to lie and strawman the argument because he sells very expensive guitars with exotic woods. IMO, he would be a much more likable person if he admitted that the wood has very little to do with the sound of an electric guitar other than looking cool.

    • @knuckleheadcollections
      @knuckleheadcollections 25 днів тому +6

      ​@@Slime-Man-Extreme.... I respectfully disagree. Here's why .... I'm a newbie. I can barely play. Right now I'm trying to learn the pentatonic scales to give you an idea of where I'm at. I have three entry-level guitars, and all three of them sound different, when they're not plugged in. I mean I can can barely make an argument, but if they're unplugged, and I'm a novice, and I can clearly hear the difference between the three, to me that seems like it's the wood. I mean it's the only difference between the three. The tone and type of wood seem to make a difference to me. I don't know. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean there's just nothing left other than the wood, considering all things equal that being the string, the bridges and etc. Anyway, that's my two cents. I welcome yours ... !!! 😎🤙🏼

  • @t23c56
    @t23c56 22 дні тому +59

    Everybody watch Jim Lill. Watch it now. It's unbiased and shows you exactly what matters in getting good guitar tone. It's actually backed by experiments and not just words.

    • @These_go_to_eleven_1959
      @These_go_to_eleven_1959 19 днів тому +4

      💯👍

    • @HALWASRIGHT
      @HALWASRIGHT 17 днів тому

      Whhhhhhhhooooo cares?

    • @joetowers4804
      @joetowers4804 14 днів тому +4

      ​@@HALWASRIGHTif somebody is curious, then those people should. You cared enough to comment, ehy don't you give it a try?

  • @brutalpedz
    @brutalpedz Місяць тому +146

    Funny how he gave absolutely no technical information about tonewood but only argument from authority.
    He's acting like a sect guru doing his one man show. Silly

    • @dv8322
      @dv8322 23 дні тому +1

      Technical information? What is that? What do you mean?

    • @dave5655
      @dave5655 22 дні тому +6

      @@dv8322 That's demonstrable evidence that can be replicated. Kind of like how there is a lot of technical information how an amp works. He has none and he knows it. I need to add that his entire argument is "nu uh" and "you should believe me because reasons".

    • @dave5655
      @dave5655 22 дні тому +7

      Not only that, but he straw maned the hell out of the debate.

    • @dv8322
      @dv8322 22 дні тому +1

      I've seen some data on the elasticity of tonewoods but nothing regarding sound that isn't subjective. I think tonewoods make a difference but that difference is just a nuance that is up to each individual's tastes. Paul does know a lot about guitars. I'll give him that.

    • @themeanmachine84
      @themeanmachine84 21 день тому

      @@dv8322 "but nothing regarding sound that isn't subjective", so you just answered the question if the tonewood matters. The actual question should probably be "how much" does it matter and "in what sense". Cause I can believe there are things about it that matter in some ways but not when it comes to tone and sound. And it's a difference to have an opinion and to sell expensive products based just on opinion without providing any actual evidence to back it up.

  • @TelevsionCanyons
    @TelevsionCanyons Місяць тому +76

    what an unpleasant guy...

    • @deanmccaskill5495
      @deanmccaskill5495 22 дні тому +8

      Absolutely. He bothers me so much I’ll never buy one of his guitars. I’ll stick to my Gibsons and Fenders.

  • @rogerdat7807
    @rogerdat7807 24 дні тому +33

    Where can I buy a balsa guitar with rubber nuts and bridge?

    • @wvo2m
      @wvo2m 13 днів тому

      Try the vaseline shop. 😂

    • @GuyInnagorillasuit
      @GuyInnagorillasuit 13 днів тому

      Rubber nuts and bridge? But I hardly know her!

  • @Fsng837
    @Fsng837 26 днів тому +22

    funny how the tone improvement correlates so exactly with the price of the wood. you want to know what tonewood has a better tone than the next tonewood? check the pricetag. triple-spalted zebra flamed burled cocobolo (or whatever idfk) will always sound better than alder. it's just obvious. it sounds better because it costs more. when are people going to realize this fact? Haters destroyed. Jim Lall in shambles. Debate conclusively ended.

  • @jimflanagan8073
    @jimflanagan8073 21 день тому +11

    Jim Lil really did just wreck the decades old snake oil guitar industry with one incredible video, didn't he?
    Paul is flapping like a wounded duck here.
    There are basically two camps at this point; the die hard cork sniffers who simply will never accept that tonewoods make diddly squat difference on an amped guitar.
    And the rest of us.

  • @Obiekb
    @Obiekb Місяць тому +68

    I really like PRS guitars, Paul, not so much. Yeah he knows how to build a guitar. I’ve played plenty of PRS guitars back to back, some resonate, some don’t. Pauls superiority air really doesn’t help his case. He sounds like a stupid angry old man.

  • @deathdealer8185
    @deathdealer8185 29 днів тому +39

    Toanwood is super important. I think everyone had this moment where they recorded a riff on a guitar with an ash body and then think to themselves: "This is totally a mahogany riff." So they rerecorded it on exactly the same guitar but with a mahogany body and then it sounds amazing. I don't go near a studio without at least having 3 teles all made out of different wood nowadays.
    /S

    • @tomguitar1963
      @tomguitar1963 29 днів тому

      You should try a core PRS zero quality issues.

    • @Dreamdancer11
      @Dreamdancer11 8 днів тому

      Now imagine that you get the same recordings but from a third person that didnt tell you about the differences....do you think you would still spot the difference?Cause if you cant( like almost everyone in a blind test ever) that means those differences werent there in the first place....

    • @deathdealer8185
      @deathdealer8185 8 днів тому

      @@Dreamdancer11 it's a joke bro

  • @paternuin
    @paternuin Місяць тому +46

    What an annoying speaker he is

  • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
    @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 29 днів тому +54

    I'm very glad to find that so many people in this comment section see through the hypocrisy here.

  • @mattwesthaver6909
    @mattwesthaver6909 Місяць тому +67

    Why doesn't he just get Jim lill and try to convince him, it's the video we need

    • @Airhead348
      @Airhead348 29 днів тому +2

      Did you listen to that video on wireless earphones through your phone through youtube, or your phone speakers? Shit sounds different in person.

    • @mattwesthaver6909
      @mattwesthaver6909 28 днів тому +10

      @@Airhead348 no

    • @Cougar139tweak
      @Cougar139tweak 28 днів тому +2

      as soon as Jim lill starts his own Guitar company......

    • @davidtomkins4242
      @davidtomkins4242 26 днів тому +9

      @@Cougar139tweakyou mean “as soon as Jim gets a vested interest in selling instruments”?

    • @acidoxyde
      @acidoxyde 22 дні тому +3

      @@Airhead348 no one argues that there is no difference acoustically, on the contrary, everyone agrees there is! What everyone is saying is that, plugged in, there is no audible difference

  • @wind016
    @wind016 Місяць тому +40

    I love my PRS 513 but his arguments are not analogous to electric guitars. Electric guitars convert the vibration of metal strings to electrical signals using magnets from pickups. The only affect wood has on the signal is indirect when the wood vibrations vibrate back onto the metal strings. Acoustic guitars and violins create sound through air vibrations reflecting off wood. Its not even remotely similar

    • @tjchicago
      @tjchicago Місяць тому +4

      I can hear the difference between a les paul special and a les Paul standard with the same P90s installed. The only real difference there is the maple cap. I guess I’d say just because you can’t hear the difference it doesn’t mean others can’t.

    • @wind016
      @wind016 Місяць тому +17

      @@tjchicago You would have A/B test the guitars through recordings with the same pickup installed and reinstalled in the different guitars. Gibson pickups are renowned for inconsistent windings (one of the reasons why one guitar is deemed to have "mojo" and one not)

    • @tjchicago
      @tjchicago Місяць тому

      @wind016 that’s definitely how it would have to be done to be certain. But you’d also need to do it to conclude that the wood doesn’t make a difference. I think reducing the guitar to simply strings and pickups is a bit of an oversimplification though. Motion is relative after all so it’s not just the movement of the strings that makes noise, it’s also the movement of the pickup relative to the strings. If you could hold the strings perfectly still and vibrate the body you’d still get signal out because it doesn’t matter which part of the setup is the one moving. The body wood contributes to the resonant vibrations that translate into the signal by actual movement of the pickup relative to the strings

    • @Metal-lz8td
      @Metal-lz8td Місяць тому +6

      @@tjchicago You sure that's the only difference? Absolutely no difference in string brand, gauge, action, pickup height, hardware or anything else?

    • @tjchicago
      @tjchicago Місяць тому

      @@Metal-lz8td all those things affect sound too but they were the same for the les paul set up because I did it myself and it only takes 10 seconds to adjust pickup height on p90s.

  • @Metal-lz8td
    @Metal-lz8td Місяць тому +57

    It makes me sick to see a room full of people smiling and nodding their heads to these kinds of completely dishonest and fallacious arguments. Like a dude can stand in front of you and literally yell lies in your face and you're going to laugh and applaud because he owns a major guitar company.

    • @jevans9359
      @jevans9359 Місяць тому +7

      Not to mention the guy Paul keeps looking to for affirmation who just happens to be wearing a Paul Reed Smith t-shirt.

    • @stuco
      @stuco Місяць тому +2

      What do you dispute? Just curious

    • @Metal-lz8td
      @Metal-lz8td Місяць тому +21

      @@stuco First of all, everything he said to represent the arguments that tonewood doesn't matter was a clearly dishonest and reductive strawman. No one has ever said something like you can put a rubber bridge and nut on a guitar or fill an acoustic guitar with water and it doesn't change the sound. Secondly, every analogy and justification he made to support his side of things applies only to acoustic instruments wherein the sound is actually being amplified by the wood of the instrument itself, in which case the type of wood obviously matters. Absolutely nothing he said supported his side of things when it comes to solid body electric guitars, yet he presented it as if it was a given that it did, and that you should just take his word for it because he makes guitars and you don't, which is just gross and manipulative.

    • @adamschronk3620
      @adamschronk3620 21 день тому +2

      Sounds like he’s selling a pyramid scheme!

    • @Metal-lz8td
      @Metal-lz8td 21 день тому +1

      @@adamschronk3620 I mean if you buy a PRS at least you get a good guitar but his pitches definitely have that vibe lol

  • @realce666
    @realce666 21 день тому +7

    This is a good vid to dissuade people from ever buying a PRS guitar.

  • @kestrelmerriweather392
    @kestrelmerriweather392 22 дні тому +7

    Don't know who his retainer is, but they should have pulled him away the moment he started talking about rubber strings and rubber bridges.

  • @waveymattdavey
    @waveymattdavey 25 днів тому +7

    Why does he keep saying the wood must have an impact because old strings sound different?

  • @rong648
    @rong648 Місяць тому +37

    I wonder why Paul didn't play guitars made from different "tone woods" so we could hear the difference. He had a wall of guitars to choose from or he could have brought some with him.

    • @kvanoss
      @kvanoss Місяць тому +1

      I was there and brought a $700 Epiphone Les Paul to trade in towards a 24-08 Custom. I really wish I would have asked him to play the Epiphone to “sell” me on the PRS. Went home with the 24-08 anyway. BTW, the PRS sounds 100 times better.

    • @rong648
      @rong648 Місяць тому +2

      @@kvanoss It looked like they had a lot to choose from.

    • @JayceAllanGuitar
      @JayceAllanGuitar 20 днів тому

      Because the people in the audience, especially those that don't play guitar would go "what's the difference...sounds like a guitar."

    • @rong648
      @rong648 20 днів тому +2

      @@JayceAllanGuitar The bald guy in front with the Paul Reed Smith t-shirt agreed with everything.

    • @JayceAllanGuitar
      @JayceAllanGuitar 20 днів тому

      @@rong648 Want to see someone that agrees with him, search for the UA-cam video about Smith's presentation from the channel Play and Trade Guitars. That dude basically says "don't believe science, believe your heart"...

  • @leegollin4417
    @leegollin4417 Місяць тому +48

    Every time I post a link to Jim Lill it gets deleted…..watch his video on the subject for an unbiased and scientific take.

    • @christopherguzzi1316
      @christopherguzzi1316 Місяць тому +10

      It's not a conspiracy. The subject does not matter. Any link anyone posts will get deleted.

    • @rong648
      @rong648 Місяць тому +7

      What I liked about Jim's demonstration was, that he left it up to the listener to make the determination, do you hear a difference?

    • @ronchorivera
      @ronchorivera Місяць тому +18

      yup. Whats more accurate? A person who makes profit off of selling his "thoughts". Or a person who creates unbiased experiments then lets you decide.

    • @Airhead348
      @Airhead348 29 днів тому +2

      Listening through your wireless earbuds or phone speakers through youtube??

    • @Cougar139tweak
      @Cougar139tweak 28 днів тому

      @@Airhead348 Amen, I don't understand why people don't just make their own guitar from a kit made out of plywood. There is more to it then Tone. Wood quality matters

  • @richardjorgensen1291
    @richardjorgensen1291 29 днів тому +19

    I bought a wood library- hollow body 2 prs guitar with a torreffied curly maple neck and had to have the fret filed due to fret sprout. Also have been waiting 6 months to get this guitar back from prs repair shop due to blistering of clear coat on the guitar's finish

    • @rogerdat7807
      @rogerdat7807 24 дні тому +1

      Buy a Tyler (either you know or you dont). You'll thank me.

  • @wayfaerer320
    @wayfaerer320 Місяць тому +56

    Tonewoods absolutely matter on acoustic instruments - acoustic guitars, violins, cellos, mandolins, and electric guitars unplugged - there is absolutely no debate and you don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand it changes the sound. But an electric guitar plugged in - the magnetic pickups are not picking up what your ear is hearing from the unplugged electric guitar. It's not the same thing and you also don't need to be a rocket scientist to understand that either. What's hilarious is that Paul keeps making the argument that the bridge, nut, strings, frets, and scale length change the sound (and he's absolutely right), but yet he still doesn't address the wood. He keeps comparing electric guitars to violins as if somehow an acoustic violin is a valid comparison to magnetic pickups on an electric guitar (it's silly).

    • @seth6691
      @seth6691 Місяць тому +12

      He comes off SO pompous and patronizing.

    • @blandest4788
      @blandest4788 29 днів тому

      You can just try out an aluminium guitar. It will sound very different.

    • @2morrowillcome
      @2morrowillcome 25 днів тому

      Exactly.

    • @josephhutchins8
      @josephhutchins8 22 дні тому

      @@blandest4788 You're talking about a material which is completely different, if you have a guitar with a mahogany body and one with an alder body 99% of people will not know the difference just by sound.

    • @johnsausage
      @johnsausage 22 дні тому

      At least what we can say is that the construction / material of the body, neck, nut, bridge have an effect on sustain (which to me is not equal to tone). Imagine a bridge made out of rubber xD. So we could settle (to some degree) to call it "sustain wood***" whereas "***" states that it also depends on other pieces of the guitar. Or just call it "sus wood" 🤣.
      Edit: With sustain there will also be "sympathetic resonances" (not sure if this is the right expression?).. when the volume of certain note is elevated (or diminished.. or even dead in the case of deadspots) based on the resonances of the guitar itself. So some notes will be louder than others. But this again is not tone in my opinion, just how balanced each note is overall.

  • @Scott-si1hb
    @Scott-si1hb 29 днів тому +9

    Charlie Brown's teacher "wah waaah wah wah waaaah"

  • @ronchorivera
    @ronchorivera Місяць тому +9

    um. rubber and vaseline arent tonewoods. also tries to tell us a specific wood will make you play like vanhalen. "everytime we make a guitar out of it, it does what comes out of their hands." then goes on to say dont believe what you see on the internet.... if he had any integrity this video would not be available online. VHS is the most appropriate medium for your talking.

  • @frodeleirvik
    @frodeleirvik 22 дні тому +5

    It's a shame to see the man making such a fool of himself...

  • @peachmelba1000
    @peachmelba1000 22 дні тому +14

    Aristides guitars exist. EGC guitars exist. Pine body Novo guitars exist. They all sound great.

  • @janzahalka9096
    @janzahalka9096 20 днів тому +6

    I own 3 SEs and am happy with those, have been Paul's fan for years, seen most of his talks and interviews online, and this is embarrassing... Strawman parade, no logical coherence... Now I am no luthier, but I am lawyer by trade, so argumentation is kind of my field of expertise and this was just shameful. Sorry to see him like this...

  • @Michael-bm8hi
    @Michael-bm8hi 26 днів тому +7

    If there is a heritage coming from PRS guitars, he is destroying it with every of these events. Maybe he thinks he is the Steve Jobs of his industry. But he isn’t. Think of Collings guitars: far less talk, less curly tops, better looks, colors more friendly to the eye, superior in sound and feel - simply the better guitars.

  • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
    @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 29 днів тому +21

    Consider this: the SOLID BODY electric guitar was developed for the precise reason of NOT resonating because resonance distrupts amplification (feedback.) Put an electric guitar pickup into an acoustic guitar and see for yourself. Wood is a convenient and tough material to construct with. Technology had to move along before we could add a pickup to a fully acoustic guitar and amplify it significantly. Before that, there were hollow body guitars that introduced the pickup. These initially closed off the sound hole before they added a center block - all in persuit of REDUCING VIBRATIONS. So, to all of you tonewood evangleists that continually refute the physics of how and ELECTRO MAGNETIC pickup works - what the fuck do you even want from a guitar?

  • @alittlebitgone
    @alittlebitgone Місяць тому +36

    Day or night, rain or shine, if a Dad needs a guitar, PRS will be there.

    • @andreil1234
      @andreil1234 27 днів тому

      I'm unaware of any given brand that would refuse someone in need, if daddy's got the bucks :D

    • @GabeHelma
      @GabeHelma 22 дні тому

      Haha thats and Gibsons/Fenders

    • @Afghamistam
      @Afghamistam 21 день тому

      Dentists and lawyers approve.

  • @Trh1
    @Trh1 Місяць тому +20

    Time to get wacky with Paul.

  • @DimKAt21
    @DimKAt21 19 днів тому +3

    Normally I m not into stand up comedy but that was hilarious

  • @akwamarsunzal
    @akwamarsunzal Місяць тому +10

    Oh lord, Tone fretboard now?

  • @stoneybologna186
    @stoneybologna186 29 днів тому +6

    "This store if full of experts." March '22 I bought a mail order Gibson SG SME in Oxblood that was a marked down demo model (came with a bit of buckle rash so I know it got played, no worries) and it had an unsoldered wire (not desoldered, or broken solder, but never soldered, wire wasn't even tinned) to one of the neck tone pot leads. Gibson missed it. CME demoers missed it and any QC'er pre ship. I play it for 3 minutes after waiting 24 hours to open the box, heard the crackle, opened the back cover and found it in a second. 2 min later, the wire was soldered and it sounded great. I'm no expert, but I do listen, and I'll continue to trust my own ears.

  • @chicagomusicexchange
    @chicagomusicexchange  Місяць тому +7

    THANKS FOR WATCHING!!
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    • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
      @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 29 днів тому +1

      Next video: "Please welcome, Glen Fricker!"
      Or is a non-bias speaker roster out of the question?

    • @Cougar139tweak
      @Cougar139tweak 28 днів тому

      @@doctorfuzzzdirtbox As soon as I see a professional Guitarist playing a Harley Benton....
      Besides, Glen is too much of a penny pincher to buy airline tickets to go to Chicago
      He is also deluded using $2000+ amps and saying all the tone is in the Speakers, not the Pickups or the Amp
      It's every link in the chain......

    • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
      @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 27 днів тому

      @@Cougar139tweak You're deluded (or just ignorant) if you think he say "all" the tone is in the speakers. He's literally NEVER said that and repeatedly clarifies that isn't what he means.

    • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
      @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 27 днів тому

      @@Cougar139tweak Here's "Funky Times" (featuring Julia Lange, a professional classical player and all round virtuoso) using Harley Bentons. But you'll probably find a reason to dismiss this . . .

  • @jessefillmore
    @jessefillmore Місяць тому +21

    Paul didn't set any record straight . He just confirmed he is either a mental case or just lying to sell people snakeoil tonewood electric guitars . This is why I will never buy a PRS . Plus IMO they don't sound as good as a Gibson Les Paul . Keep lying to people , Paul and you will run your company into the ground .

    • @wvo2m
      @wvo2m 13 днів тому

      I vote "mental case."

  • @obsidiancrow450
    @obsidiancrow450 21 день тому +3

    Guys the wood salesman says the wood DOES matter!

  • @spokes28
    @spokes28 28 днів тому +4

    So, PRS is going to convert to Stainless Steel frets. When?

  • @Daledavispratt
    @Daledavispratt 18 днів тому +3

    Wow, Paul just made me very happy to have purchased a bold-faced, nicely-made and great-playing Asian copy of his Custom 24, and I'm not talking about his SE line, either. I thought I couldn't be happier with the guitar, until I watched this.

  • @jeffdo1974
    @jeffdo1974 20 днів тому +3

    Used to want a PRS... not anymore

  • @jzoomradog583
    @jzoomradog583 20 днів тому +3

    tonepaint is the best way to change tone of electric guitar. my blue guitar sounds very bluesy, my brown guitar sounds very warm.

  • @diangara3298
    @diangara3298 11 днів тому +2

    I was going to say something about this strange guy and his bizarre arguments but i dont have a basement.

  • @MrMickey519
    @MrMickey519 29 днів тому

    Does anyone know……. What model PRS did Paul play in the last minutes of the video??? (The second guitar Paul picked up to play).

  • @davey_tones
    @davey_tones 20 днів тому +1

    He said if you want stainless steel frets, order a Private Stock. I went to spec a private stock a few months ago and I was told stainless steel frets wasn't available as an option...

  • @MelloState
    @MelloState 19 днів тому +4

    Ya know... I was thinking about a prs se.... Gonna save my money and look at a squier or schecter

  • @zvonimirsarcevic7928
    @zvonimirsarcevic7928 29 днів тому +3

    oh Crist. The only way that he can prove ist that his company makes 10 same guitars from different woods, and that he blindfolded said which one is made of which wood. Nobody can do it. When you look guitarist onstage, you cant say from which wood is made his guitar...

  • @YooTooobJeff
    @YooTooobJeff 23 дні тому +3

    All woods have their characteristics and natural resonances, which are minimized by the way electric guitars are made, but are important in acoustic instruments... After all, a Stradivarius violin has unique wood and construction and so it IS the standard

  • @danielvelazquez18
    @danielvelazquez18 Місяць тому +36

    tone wood isn't real, but the fact that PRS guitars have perfect QC is real.

    • @sooparticular
      @sooparticular Місяць тому +2

      tone wood is everything!!!!

    • @sythe77
      @sythe77 Місяць тому +13

      @@sooparticular Not in solid body electrics. Paul is a great promoter of his unquestionably fine guitars, but he straw mans and obfuscates. His personality quirks have always cast a bit of a pall on his company, IMHO. I own a 2002 Custom 22, among dozens of the obvious brands. It is unique and beautiful, but I guarantee it isn't the gorgeous wood, tuners, nut or finish that makes it sound awful, it's the pickups. Lollar Imperials or Fralins are going in, finally. It will get played much more as a result.

    • @doctorfuzzzdirtbox
      @doctorfuzzzdirtbox 29 днів тому +3

      Tone wood is real. It's just irrelevant to electric instruments.

    • @elliottorion4235
      @elliottorion4235 29 днів тому +2

      @@sooparticulardentist or lawyer?

    • @sooparticular
      @sooparticular 29 днів тому

      @@elliottorion4235 miami beach dancer!

  • @MAP448
    @MAP448 Місяць тому

    What pedals are on the pedalboard that Mr. P.R.S. himself is using in this video?

  • @the92project
    @the92project 18 днів тому +4

    Paul disgraced himself here. Was thinking of buying a PRS SE. not anymore

  • @2morrowillcome
    @2morrowillcome 25 днів тому +2

    Since when are strings "tonewood"?
    I don't even have to be firmly entrenched in this argument to understand that of all the steps involved recording and producing a track, the signal chain from the guitar to the board and everything in between... If we're to keep all of that the same as well as the strings and pickups... And _all you did was change the wood on the guitar_, the sound of that guitar in the *recording* with effectively be *no different*.
    It might be noticeable (a bit) in the room, but in the end "tonewood doesn't matter".

  • @jamesdoll
    @jamesdoll Місяць тому +3

    “Feel” and “Sound” are different, super fine line though, so yes every component on the guitar does attribute to its sound/feel. I
    t’s just an argument on where you draw that line

  • @CentaurusRelax314
    @CentaurusRelax314 Місяць тому +43

    It’s mindboggling, that this veteran guitar maker still doesn’t understand how illogical his arguments are. The fact that his conclusion is one that I subscribe to makes it all the more frustrating. He twists the actual discussion by moving the goalposts and adding a “rubber bridge” to the tone woods argument. Well, the bridge is actually in contact with the strings, so, yeah, that affects vibration. That’s not the tone woods debate. Then, he makes the comparison between a violin and an electric guitar-stupefying. The violin is a wholly acoustic instrument. The discussion is about whether or not woods contribute to the tone of a guitar where the pickups are the amplifying device. The fact that he can’t process the argument properly and that he is so incredibly arrogant about his ‘expert perspectives’ makes him just so unlikable. I get it now. The more you hear him speak, the less of an amicable presence he creates. I have an SE594, and it’s a fantastic guitar (once I put Bare Knuckles in it) and I once had a USA Custom 24. Even though I’ve seen interviews with him where he displays charm (Andertons?), it’s like he’s growing into an irrascible, senile, ego freak.

    • @mikedfurman
      @mikedfurman Місяць тому +5

      He’s been like this for at least a decade IMO. Sold my CU24

    • @ronchorivera
      @ronchorivera Місяць тому +6

      Dude is totally full of himself because he can copy others. Yeah, many people copy guitars but do they act like this guy? What a schmo

    • @wesleymorris1
      @wesleymorris1 Місяць тому +3

      Paul is 100% right, differnt woods vibrate diff. The magnet in a pickup is there to make the strings magnitized, then the vibration is pickup by the coil of the pickup. U can take a magnet out of a pickup and put it down by the nut and still make sound. Its the vibration is what pickuped by the pickup, longer it vibrates, longer it sustains, wood matters. Argument done

    • @CentaurusRelax314
      @CentaurusRelax314 Місяць тому +2

      @@wesleymorris1 You missed my point/didn’t understand what I wrote. I said I agreed with his conclusion. The issue is with how he arrived at it. His arguments are specious, and it’s bizarre that someone who is responding to online criticism of his arguments didn’t comprehend those arguments. Very similar to your response to my post….

    • @JJDon5150
      @JJDon5150 29 днів тому +1

      @@wesleymorris1 except natural vibrations don't matter at all for sustain There are a lot of factors which can contribute to sustain (aka vibrations as you're calling them). I have a compressor pedal on my board and could literally get rid of any sustain if I set the squash high enough. If I put in a sustainer pickup in the neck, then I could also make it sustain as long as I wanted. Nothing have anything to do with the wood of the guitar, and everything to do with an external factor in the chain, like a pedal, pickup, amp, etc.

  • @groovydjs
    @groovydjs 12 днів тому +1

    Who would have thought that this kind of thing would be happening when I started the tonewood thing all those years ago? Too funny.

  • @zrx338
    @zrx338 6 днів тому

    After reading a lot of these comments, now I understand why Paul always brings up internet trolls. People may be taken back by Paul's dry sense of humor but the man is a genius. He is an expert in his field and rather than spend five hours explaining every nuance of how and why wood on a guitar impacts the entire chain of sound coming out of a guitar, he just boils it down to a few minutes that every internet troll tries to argue about. The bottom line is if he could build an amazing instrument using shitty wood that does not make a difference, he would do it and make even more money. It does make a difference and it would behoove a lot of keyboard experts to listen to someone at the top of their craft and LEARN SOMETHING,

  • @JohnnyP23
    @JohnnyP23 27 днів тому +2

    Fret sprout: I have a SE Silver Sky maple, it’s a beautiful instrument that sounds amazing but… I got it in July 2023 and the craftsmanship was fantastic but the setup job was terrible ( not a deal breaker as I’ve been doing that kind of maintenance for years) and by September had noticeable fret sprout I had to get a fret file kit from Stew Mac and carefully take care of the ends. After correcting those 2 issues it is my favorite guitar of my collection.

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner 28 днів тому +4

    I was really hoping that when he said "let's have a disagreement with the internet" he was going to try and defend his choice to switch from WMIC to Cor-Tek as he's never answered any questions regarding the decision - sure the new factory is pretty (and Cor-Tek has factories in all the standard countries now) but how come Cor-Tek can no longer build guitars in Korea? Sounds weird but it's true. Cort is registered in Korea but Korea won't allow them to have factories there anymore. :-)

  • @ramonmoreno8014
    @ramonmoreno8014 29 днів тому +3

    So many times, beard boy doesn't know where to nod until the punchline; sometimes he morphs from derision to affirmation within the same phrase. It's like watching Oprah 😂

  • @stratmagic6893
    @stratmagic6893 Місяць тому +16

    I find it ironic that people only talk about tonewood when it comes to vintage Fender Gibson or high end guitars like PRS. When it comes to brands like Ibanez or Schecter or any other metal type guitars there is no talk about it. Paul's logic is faulty his examples are horrible and he is just a used car salesman.

    • @johnnyxmusic
      @johnnyxmusic 29 днів тому

      Well… You have those music man, John Petrucci Majesty guitars… That have different words, inserted in different places little blocks here in big blocks there.

  • @Michael.Jamie.Foxxworthy
    @Michael.Jamie.Foxxworthy 21 день тому +1

    When you exaggerate and change the argument completely, tonewood makes a lot of sense. Chances of me ever buying a PRS just got even slimmer.

  • @Dethfield
    @Dethfield 22 дні тому +3

    You aren't fooling anyone, Paul. Everyone knows Tone comes from the balls.

  • @ayeapprove
    @ayeapprove 24 дні тому +2

    Well there are scientific videos regarding this topic (I especially like Jim Lill) and Paul is just like "I just know what I'm talking about, you gotta believe me". 6:55 is the perfect example of how not to make a good point. What is her reference in this whole experiment?

  • @corey747
    @corey747 22 дні тому

    What was that pedal Paul held up?

  • @smartmammal9926
    @smartmammal9926 21 день тому +1

    I am a huge fan of PRS guitars as well as Chicago Music Exchange. Paul's condescending, Trumpian (insult people personally when he has zero to add to the the debate), inaccurate (hypocritical) approach to an argument, which also is void of evidence, is a real bad look. I feel some reflection is in order.

  • @Hsiss
    @Hsiss 11 днів тому

    "Someone disagrees with me on the internet" moment.

  • @grahamstuart9164
    @grahamstuart9164 29 днів тому +4

    Here is the end of the tone wood argument once and for all.
    You take a Paul Reed Smith guitar.
    Made from the finest wood available.
    You plug it into a wireless system.
    The sound comes out of the amplifier.
    1 of 2 things happens.
    The vibrations and the warmth of the wood magically transfers Thru thin air into the amplifier......
    Or what you are hearing coming through the amplifier is a digital reproduction of the microphones built into the guitar and transferred digitally into the amplifier and recreated as sound vibrations at the speaker.
    Believe what you want.
    Do high quality materials hurt in the process?
    No.
    But if you think acoustic qualities of the materials being used are being transferred through a wireless system into an amplification device.....
    😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @Skullskalle
    @Skullskalle 22 дні тому +5

    Yep! Definitely not buying a PRS after watching this.
    Great work Paul!

  • @kimL93
    @kimL93 Місяць тому

    Need more clips damn it

  • @aliensporebomb
    @aliensporebomb 21 день тому

    The guy who did "I saw her standing there" in two parts -- bravo! Especially with that amount of drive on the guitar. And Eric Johnson. And Led Zeppelin.

  • @ludvanlazarz
    @ludvanlazarz 16 днів тому

    Man these players are killing it! And it sounded so good! I wish we can all agree about that 🎉both EJ tunes and ZZ-top very well done

  • @koreyarmstrong456
    @koreyarmstrong456 16 днів тому

    If tone wood is so important then why does PRS use poplar for the bodies on the SE Silver Sky and not alder like they do for the USA built model? Never heard a reviewer say anything about the SE sounding different because of the body wood

  • @Dave24078
    @Dave24078 21 день тому +1

    Stop me if you've heard this one,,,,,, "Hay remember that time Grandpa stumbled into the music store and called us all stupid for no reason?" That was fun.

  • @user-er6fs3is9h
    @user-er6fs3is9h Місяць тому

    I love to watch Ben Crowe build guitars.
    And he loves wood and the different sounds and tones they produce.
    Peace.

  • @AnonYmous-jp8uu
    @AnonYmous-jp8uu 20 днів тому

    I did remember Nate from Willie's. what a cool shop

  • @haroldculhane4110
    @haroldculhane4110 Місяць тому +15

    Not buying

  • @kamranharoon7249
    @kamranharoon7249 18 днів тому +2

    I subscribed thinking CME was a legit music channel with knowledgeable folks able to help players figure out gear related questions. Whatever this was, has the vibe of a Scientology seminar. Also is it true that a burst finish leads to rounder warmer tone while aquamarine AAAA flamed maple sounds like the ocean?

  • @DredgenX
    @DredgenX Місяць тому +2

    The Guitar @41:00 is SOO GOOD. Sounds like an amazing pink floyd solo incredible power and sustain in the notes, so much emotion in there

    • @kvanoss
      @kvanoss Місяць тому +1

      Sounded so so much better in person!

    • @DredgenX
      @DredgenX Місяць тому

      @@kvanoss did he ever say how much that guitar is worth? ive never played a prs before i play teles

    • @DredgenX
      @DredgenX Місяць тому

      @@kvanoss i think what makes a great guitar tone is when it sounds more like a voice, some of the best guitar solos sound like someone singing! each note has character and makes different vocalizations even without a wah or expression pedal

  • @sdewq1
    @sdewq1 Місяць тому +1

    2 of my prs’s came with fret sprout from the dealer, but that’s out of six I own so I guess that’s not bad. They were se’s but still they are real prs’s.

    • @JPiattelli
      @JPiattelli 25 днів тому

      No they are not they are scrub PRS. Core would never have fret sprout

  • @benspeeds
    @benspeeds 25 днів тому +1

    The title of this video had a much more provocative title a few days ago. It was something like,"PRS IS SICK OF YOUR BULLSHIT!!!"
    I guess CME decided to go with a "safer" title. I don't blame them because the subject of the great tone wood debate tends to get some people pretty worked up. I wish we had more accurate ways of measuring and detecting the difference in sound between components in general. Because every component in a signal chain "matters"...Right???
    I have to admit that the appearance of a guitar is usually the first thing that draws me to it. After that, i can play it and see if I like the feel and sound.

  • @Jayteaseepiirturi
    @Jayteaseepiirturi 21 день тому +1

    The moment Paul Reed Smith lost the argument was his smug introduction from a position of authority...

  • @lukekalawsky4776
    @lukekalawsky4776 Місяць тому +18

    Every time Paul fights back on the tonewood topic, he uses the acoustic resonance of the instrument as the argument for whether tonewood matters in an electric instrument. Tonewood matters in an electric instrument... until you plug it in. He says the argument that tonewood doesn't matter is ridiculous and then compares an electric guitar to a violin. He also never does any actual testing and comparison. He just calls everyone on the internet crazy and justifies his thoughts with non-parallel comparisons. Makes me not want to have his signature on a headstock.

    • @mikedfurman
      @mikedfurman Місяць тому +3

      Sold mine! Paul always irks me in interviews too.

    • @lukekalawsky4776
      @lukekalawsky4776 Місяць тому +3

      @@mikedfurman For real, I'm gonna sell mine as well. Probably assemble my own, knowing full well that whatever wood I choose... is gonna make a great guitar.

  • @scottyknows
    @scottyknows 21 день тому +1

    Where's the evidence tonewood in electric guitar matters? Can we see some graphs and audio comparisons? Can Paul tell the difference in a blind test?

  • @zemlidrakona2915
    @zemlidrakona2915 21 день тому +1

    I'm sure PRS has many more resources than Jim Lill has, and could easily prove tone-wood makes a difference. This of course assumes tone-wood actually does make a difference. The fact that he refuses to actually prove his claims is telling.

  • @LA3Music
    @LA3Music Місяць тому

    Play and trade guitars channel beat you to the post. Looked like a great event.

  • @louisxue3292
    @louisxue3292 12 днів тому +1

    I respect Paul and loves to play his guitar.
    With that said, I don't like the way he keeps repeating "it just doesn't make sense that wood does not matter!!" - without giving out any real logical evidence. Typical leap-of-faith kind of action... All he talks about is how the wood affects the acoustic sound, which we already know.
    The guitar community needs ONE real scientist / engineer, shouldn't be this difficult...

  • @peachmelba1000
    @peachmelba1000 22 дні тому +2

    Fender made a cardboard bodied Strat a few years ago.
    Guess what? It sounds like a Strat 😂

  • @leegollin4417
    @leegollin4417 Місяць тому +36

    Tonewood matters on an acoustic instrument. Not on electrics, the way electro magnetic pickups work.

    • @kylebollendorf4856
      @kylebollendorf4856 Місяць тому +9

      Only if you play high gain metal, then maybe I’d agree. For clean/edge-of-breakup, there is absolutely a difference in the guitars construction and how the wood resonates. I’ve never met or heard a respected guitarist say the tone is all in the pickups.

    • @michaelr.4878
      @michaelr.4878 Місяць тому +2

      ​@kylebollendorf4856 Guitar construction matters. Like..a set neck is going to play and feel different than a bolt on. But I know what the guy who made the original comment meant when he said that due to the way pickups work, wood shouldn't matter. Especially if you are using potted pickups. When your pickups are not potted, they feedback and pick up sounds and vibrations from the body of the guitar (the wood). But in theory, if you are using properly potted pickups, the type of wood really shouldn't matter...based on how pickups work. I'm not saying one way or another. But what he said is correct in theory.

    • @leegollin4417
      @leegollin4417 Місяць тому

      @@kylebollendorf4856 ua-cam.com/video/n02tImce3AE/v-deo.htmlsi=fu8ILgWlH587YevU

    • @sooparticular
      @sooparticular Місяць тому +2

      wrong

    • @brutalpedz
      @brutalpedz Місяць тому +1

      @@sooparticular That's an argument ! :D
      Do you know that in a debate you need a little bit more substance than that ?

  • @JoeLoven
    @JoeLoven 10 днів тому

    What is the new pedal he’s so high on?

  • @christopherguzzi1316
    @christopherguzzi1316 Місяць тому +9

    Paul Reed Smith knows.a ton about guitars. But he knows more about selling guitars. He loves to conflate concepts and use properties of acoustic instruments for electric instruments.. If you say the kind of wood a guitar is made from doesn't affect tone he will say well then, why don't you make the nut out of rubber. Because I wasn't talking about the nut, I was talking about what kind of wood it is made out of.

  • @stomp43
    @stomp43 Місяць тому +6

    You notice he only mentions acoustic instruments in regards to tone wood. That really matters.
    He also mentions hardware.
    Paul makes guitars with extravagant to Elwood for looks

  • @bartwitiak
    @bartwitiak 21 день тому +1

    Paul really does not know how to argue his case. He has all the resources in the world to conduct a blind test and gather data, but for some reason he resorts to insults and ludicrous comparisons. Even if he was right about tone wood (which I don't belive he is), he will not convince many people with his attitude. Besides, even if tone wood is real (which I don't believe it is), one could not state that one species sounds a certain way while another species sounds another way. There is too much variation in density, rigidity etc. within one species, not to mention huge overlapping physical qualities between the different species. It all depends on the conditions in which the trees grew in: the humidity, winds, how fast it grew, how tall, etc. Even within the same tree the wood from the base will be denser than the wood from the top. It is not like it is a specific density value applies to a specific species. It's a range of values, and those overlap between the species. Just because of that one could not say that maple always sounds one way, and mahogany another - they can overlap. I remember a video of Steve Vai's Woody Jem build in which the builder stated that some mahogany can be dark, some bright sounding, some can be light, some can be heavy. Which adds up to it being whatever, but nothing specific. And when amplified all the differences go away anyway, since wood does not affect the electro-magnetic field of the pickups.

  • @louisxue3292
    @louisxue3292 12 днів тому

    Those people nodding their heads like little kids are probably the ones who'd pay big $$$ for brazilian rosewood FINGERBOARD

  • @adrianscarlett
    @adrianscarlett 24 дні тому +1

    Does prs have a truth social account? That's where arguments like this belong...

  • @him050
    @him050 21 день тому

    The point he made about strings going dead is actually an argument against tone wood in electric guitars, not for it. The string goes dead because it gets stiffer. Thus it does not oscillate as widely when it's vibrating, so there's 'less' for the magnet in the pickup to pickup. All he has to do to prove that tone wood is real is to demonstrate how a certain wood causes a repeatable change to how a guitar string vibrates. Unfortunately he can't do that because wood can't do that. He talks about violins and what have you. But with a violin the whole instrument is vibrating (resonating) and that's what you're hearing. So yes, acoustically it makes all the difference, but not with electric guitars.

  • @CameraLaw
    @CameraLaw 5 днів тому

    Well, this comment line doesn’t seem very impressed. I was getting that Silicon Valley by way of Werner Erhart (est) vibe. Not a type of lecture that I vibe with. Don’t know this man, his guitars do look gorgeous, if you like a Van Nuys spray painted Lowrider, which as a Southern Californian, I do. But please respect that there actually are some quite intelligent guitar gurus here on UA-cam, many who helped make my pandemic days a little brighter. And made my Reverb purchases that much better. So there.

  • @GJ-yr5jo
    @GJ-yr5jo 17 днів тому +2

    So refreshing to see multitude of sensible people in the comments section. I was genuinely worried that it was just gonna be tonewood-religion fanatics blindly agreeing with Paul's shameful failure of a "speech". PRS is undoubtedly an AMAZING guitar maker, that's just objectively true. BUT when the man goes on stage and acts like a conspiracy theorist building logical fallacy upon logical fallacy and sounding like an uneducated bum at the bus stop....I think I'm gonna spend my money elsewhere.