FTSim+ PMDG 777 SOUNDPACK released! Is it better than PMDGs sounds?
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Emi the bad sounds should have been picked up by beta testers including yourself. Why should a mod be needed. It's not a cheap add on. Black square duke is so much better with sounds. I actually feel like I'm inside.
@@pennywise5095tbf ftsim does sounds for basically every plane
@pennywise5095 Probably by seeing what the community thought of the sounds online... not that hard to find complaining with how terrible the sounds are anyway
A sound mod shouldn't be needed at this price point?
And you guys are all real 777 pilots, I assume?
@@Eraser18574 No, however it really shouldn't sound that high pitched on spool up, come on. Bunch of proof posted by lounge chair pilots, enough info to justify they are terrible.
Honestly, a flagship release like the PMDG 777 should NOT need an additional soundpack.
They had the sound designer guy who did excellent job on the 737s. Have bought all of them. Best is when you reach TOD and the engines throttle back. Idk if it is realistic but it sounds really cool. The sound guy doesn't work for PMDG at the moment or why people complain about the original sound?
@@Micha-el80the 737’s sound pack is awful! Doesn’t compare to anything in the likes of Zibo or Level up where you actually feel like you are in the cabin with 3D audio. The stock sound pack is so robotic. Many sounds are too quiet and completely inaccurate.
@@odaviation8682if it’s inaccurate how come they sent an audio crew to get recordings on an actual 737??? Even the PMDG forums said those were accurate sounds. So if they did that, the chances are the 777 has its sounds but here’s the thing, PMDG will have them updated because they’re absolutely seeing what we are all saying and are trying to work on the big stuff first before worrying about the sounds. The sounds is still on there list to get fixed
I agree! The default sounds are just fine! It’s totally not worth wasting money on something that’s not needed rn
@@Gamerguy-501
It is definitely needed.
Imagine paying $77 for an addon and still need an extra mod for sounds
Apparently getting sounds right is such a specialist area that not every dev team can get their hands on someone who can get it right. Especially for those big jets, even sourcing the sounds is quite the task. You hardly ever get to hear all the sounds you need in isolation, as these big planes are always at an airport where access to them is severely restricted, and even if you can get close to something like a 777, there's always some car beeping, a GPU blaring, other plenes in the vicinity, wind, etc. So you'd really need to make an effort to get to a plane in a controlled environment and then record all the sounds in several thrust settings, preferably without any hangars or other buildings nearby (which cause unwanted echos) etc, using expensive recording equipment from several locations around the and inside the aircraft.. It's just really hard!
Alternatively you can source sounds from youtube recordings, but then the problem is that no 2 videos sound the same, so you'll have to do a lot of mixingm EQ-ing etc to make it into a coherent sounding set.
You dont need it. It is your choice.
Yeah, I feel that PMDG did not rise the bar enough. Maybe PMDG is too much driven by excel these days. I think that PMDG 777 looks like a good addon but....well, standards of creators like Heatblur for DCS and Fenix for msfs are much higher these days. Heatblur's newest F4 is mind blowing and A320 V2 update was wonderful.
Imagine people who have never sat in the cocking of a 777 in-flight complaining about sounds they've never heard in real life.
Imagine paying 100 dollars for a sim and still needing addons for planes.
I am a real world 777 driver (GE90) and i have to admit, the PMDG sounds are fairly bad.
I'm also a 777 GE90 driver and I agree with you.. but the aircraft itself (the PMDG I mean) is a masterpiece.
I love the sound of the engine when it start running by itself. the kicking bass sound and I miss that in msfs version. I am an aircraft engineer and when a 777 makes an engine start next to our hangar I can hear that sound 3 storeys below!
Love how y'all say driver
@@Plqnes i know right. ''Driver''🤣🤣🤣
@@CrazyDoug17weird but it’s actually what they call themselves and is indeed legit (in case you’re laughing cause you may not believe them or something) lol
Soundpacks should be for captain sim like products not PMDG. Whats going on
Now they make for pmdg too
People have been making sound packs for PMDG products for years. Nothing new.
@@SouthernPacificPatch Sure there's been 3rd party sounds for every payware add-on forever. The point is you still expect a premier dev like PMDG to be as good or better for sheer realism, not worse.
@@outermarker5801 I don't disagree with you. The commenter seemed surprised, so I was just telling them that this is nothing new.
Greed and laziness.
Seeing a beta tester buy a soundpack for a $80 dollar aircraft is INSANE
Emi is running a business. He makes reviews. He makes no money as a beta tester. He does make money when you watch his videos. He is very astute and understands that doing this video will far exceed any investment he made in a sound set. Plus, it is very possible that the sound set guys sent this to him to review as that is also a good investment. Not understanding basic business principle is why most people today are insane.
seeing normal simmers buy a sound pack is pure insanity
just fly the damn plane. It is magnificent
now you blow up "bad" sound. probably feel better every time
@@pieterduplessis6906 It’s very good. But some things need work/correction for a $80 dollar product. PMDG has a great reputation for correcting errors and supporting products they sell. I’m not worried about that.
@@showmefish While everything you said is technically correct, the true reason I'm using and showing the soundpack is simply because I want to achieve the best possible results for the community. And if a number of people complains about the sounds, and then a third party becomes available, I will *of course* look at that. Money doesn't even play a role, there's so much to cover around the 777, I could have done other content and got the same number of views. Just compare it to my other recent videos, just a normal "A ot B" flight would probably have gotten similar views (and longer watch time). And well, I *wish* the money was significant enough that it would matter. But as a matter of fact, after taxes and everything are paid I will probably end up making 15€ from a video like this. From a purely economical point of view, the time invested far outweights the financial gain. I could make much more, if I simply shut the channel down, went to my airline and told them to give me an additional trip per month, or maybe take on an additional role there. You don't run flight sim youtube channels because of money - you run them because of passion for the hobby.
I really don't get what all those "look, a beta tester is doing xyz" complaints are about as well. It just shows that those people - and the 73 people upvoting it - have no clue of beta testing, especially flight sim beta testing. Do they think I have a veto power and can stop a release? Heck, would it even make sense to stop a release for something like that? Sure the sounds aren't the best in business. Were any others when an addon first released? And most importantly: Do those people think I would publically say anything about what I might or might not have given as feedback for a product? Apart from any respect I would show towards PMDG by not disclosing any internals from testing, there's also an NDA in effect which would prevent me from doing so anyway. Whatever my feedback might have been, I will never disclose it. Decency and respect for the developers alone demand that.
@@A330Driveryou’re out of touch then unfortunately! If one buys an $80 product then it should be complete and not require extra third party packs!
How did the built in sounds get through beta testing?
Because they arent faulty per se. To my ears it sounds exactly like the soundset on the P3D's version. Another question is, why didnt they bother getting new sounds..
@@alu2387 dude if you think the sounds are the same as the P3D ones, you're high 🤣
@@Crojorium I own the P3D version, flown the 777 for a big deal of time. I can tell you there is no difference between the soundsets of PMDG's 777 for P3D and MSFS.If you notice a difference, then you MAY be high and listening things where they arent.
ua-cam.com/video/oLwGU6c8Gw0/v-deo.html and ua-cam.com/users/liveJAUNKauQslQ?t=5389s . The mixing is different, but the sounds are the same.
Exactly @@alu2387
They put a “pen” to click in the cockpit for represent the tremendous “attention to detail”, but the sound (not a little detail) has nothing to do with the real one or even with others 777 for flightsim. Oh and remember, you waited four years for this development of an aircraft that already been developed for FSX, and anyway you need to pay $77
o and remember, you know jack sh@t about these things and product or top tier addons
It takes a couple of minutes to take a pen, record the click sound and include it in the plane. It takes a couple months to remaster an engine sound set. The one literally tells us nothing about the other.
the outside sound is not good actually, the classic GE90 engine start sound is pretty iconic
For a $80 777, PMDG should fix the sounds...
They never said they wouldn't. It may simply take time though.
@@A330DriverThey never say they would either, which is insane for 80 dollars.
@@will6287 We're two weeks into the release cycle, they have clearly communicated that their focus at this point is aircraft stability and performance and that they'll look at anything else thereafter. It would be foolish to believe they wouldn't look at the sounds later, especially seeing that they did great improvements to the 737 sounds after its release as well.
@@A330Driver I mean the sound should be good at the beginning for this price, we cant take all these "we'll release it and maybe improve later " trend for granted. This is not even "early release".
@@will6287 Thing is, yes it is annoying, but if you buy something for that price you would expect to gt updates, right? And PMDG is doing exactly this by prioritizing performance/stability to first fix the main issues, and then move on to anything else. The people at PMDG are smart, they are doing this so people don't feel like the project has been abandoned which means, a longer lifecycle which contributes to more sales even a few years after release.
The things 'beta testers' miss during testing is mind boggling. You don't have to be a 777 pilot to know something is off with an aircraft that has external sounds in the interior... I literally can hear the wind from cockpit view whistling through like I have windows open in a car...
For all the good stuff beta testers do, this was a huge miss
Who says they missed it? Beta testers do not get to decide what is worked on and what is not.
@@Quotenwagnerianer It comes off like they 'missed it' ... If they knew about it, why wasn't it ever mentioned in any review ?
I've flown in the flight deck of this aircraft multiple times in real life, and first thing I noticed on this PMDG simulation was the interior sounds had an issue.
I already trust PMDG to do the right thing, I'll wait for an updated from them to fix the sound.
@@decimal237 This ^^
@@decimal237 In what kind of review would you want it mentioned? Do you think any beta tester would run to the public and cry about "I told 'em xyz, they didn't act on it immediately?"
That's not how things work. Maybe if they decided not to include engines in the airplane. But we're talking about some sound frequencies here.
@A330Driver in the very first reviews of the aircraft, it will be nice to mention the sounds are not right.
The exterior environment is loud when you are seated in the aircraft. That's pretty glaring and obvious.
I observed that some reviewers are becoming too careful with their reviews.
On a masterpiece project like the PMDG 777, I'd expect real-world professionals with airline aviation experience and access to this plane to review the product honestly.
I'm glad you pointed out the sounds and an add-on to it now. Thank you.
I watched lots of reviews, and 9 out of 10 have never been in the flight deck of a 777 in flight. Obviously, the purpose of these reviews are not to review fidelity but instead are for exposure of the product for promotional reasons. Fair enough.
It's still a great product regardless
Sounds got better. Hope they are going to be improved a bit sooner. Thanks for the video!
Internal sounds are great, but for external the PMDG sounds are better. Missing those deep rumbling subsonic noises during startup is a big compromise.. those usually rattle all the windows on an airport, but they are sadly missing in the FTSim version (unless they depend on the angle you're listening to). Maybe they're still working on their set? Perhaps they were in too big of a hurry to get this out so they can snatch a piece of the 777 pie. Can't blame them :)
Nope, as a seasoned plane spotter, you can even feel the GE90-115B's rumbling rattly humming startup noise all the way outside the runway fences. It can be felt from all angles, and pretty discomforting from inside the cabin.
It wouldn't shock me if PMDG do fix it in due time to be honest
I thought the PMDG startup sound is actually not too bad, in real life of course the rumbling vibrates your very soul.
I'll wait for pmdg to update the sound. Fenix sounds were too low on launch and fixed them now it's perfect. Im sure in due time pmdg will fix this.
I'm sure PMDG will enhance them in the future as well. For 2$ I think this is a very good tool to get you going in the meantime.
Only comment that actually made sense here. Relaxing and wait for the update. If the sound are the only major thing I have to worry about I think I’ll be fine. There’s never been a software without any bugs.
@A330Driver I bought the 787 sounds from FTSim. The guy is good I'll give him that. I wanted to try the 737 sounds but I don't like messing with developer files. People are losing their minds over the sound. Honestly I'm just glad that the 777 is so stable that I can easily run 8X and 16X and get 10 hour flights done within 3 hours
EMI you welcome to Bahrain my country. During summer heat you most of the time are faced with low level shear on final and temp inversion approach.
As a sound engineer, I really DO HATE this soundpack. At least with the default sound you felt as being in a long powerful tube and taking off was a relief of the ground. This addon soundpack sounds as if it was a low-grade portable recorder used to record an indistinguishable ambience with ponctual key-elements to make you remember all those previous noises were coming from a plane.
The plane has basically no more life, no more dimension. The "quietness" you can feel in the different situations is probably because there is not sound material to make a believable sound, so making the sound louder would make the incoherence way more noticeable. Not a basic hater, I really loved what FTSim+ did with the CJ4 back in the days. That sounded like a rocking plane ! They really have set the threshold low with this new one.
The creator of these soundpacks uses youtube videos, so that should tell you what the quality is.
This isn't a new soundpack, it was released in 2021 for the CaptainSim 777, they only slapped a 'PMDG' under the 'Compatible with' section lol
great landing
Like others have said before, why hasnt the bad sounds been picked up by beta testers? Its quite unacceptable that a 70$ airplane has to have a sound improvement mod. Very disappointing, this makes me question if its worth putting my money into pmdg addons anymore. You as a beta tester had the chance to ask pmdg to improve the sounds but you didnt, why?
@@Dreadfuldeath1309 they were.
@@rsyferd obviously they werent. If they were, the sounds would not sound like garbage
No, they were. End the end, it's the beta teams job to report. The development team makes the decisions.
@@rsyferd makes sense now, i take back what i said about the beta testers.
you sound offended because you have to be offended. that is your thing
and lots of aircrafts have addon sound packs. nothing strange here
and it you want to abandon there because of sounds, you should rather save your money on things that will make your views important. I hear tufting is a thing now a day
It says on Eicas that the apu is running but you get no sound outside. How did the sounds get past you as a beta tester for the product? This is not a cheap product by any means.
Since the last update I have no APU sounds.
And there is no apu heat blur for me 😂 I hope they fix this and fix the pmdg update center cause my 737 isn’t working also
Off-topic, please bear with what is probably an obvious question: how does one get up from the cockpit and walk through to (and around) the cabin as shown at 47:39?
My only issue may be a sound and camera issue … when I hit TOGA, the sound winds up , but just before “ speed alive “ the view glitches almost like artifacting or tearing , never seen this and it never happens with any other aircraft ever …..
outside sounds, do you have all your sounds except music in the sim turned all the way to 100?
I don’t know if you use any speakers or headphones for the sim setup, but I heard the sound quite a bit overlapping sounds of the sim. Or maybe it is just me, btw good quality video as always
You seem to have double sim audio in this video, making it pretty hard to gauge the quality of the soundpack..
I frequent fly the Maddog and my cockspur planes, I didn’t even notice the sounds on the 777 were “bad” with what I’m used to hearing 😂
I’m not getting very good sound quality from this video. Hints of “drainpipe” sounds. Sounds like it’s been recorded from speakers in the room.
The PMDG sounds like that especially on cruise
@@SU95X No it doesn't
Gotta love how FTSim+ releases his soundpack 3 week after every major airliner. His packs are often way better than the default sound. And yes,.his inside sound is often better than the outside sound
I think he creates most of his sounds from youtube videos (that's probably why he doesn't sell them per se, but uses this patreon method of uploading them - it could create copyright problems), that's probably why they sound familiar to many flight simmers.
@@A330Driver from UA-cam videos?? Ok....why not. Interesting!
dont feel any big differnce to the original to be honest,anyone can tell how to reduce the internal sound in PMDG in previous versions was possible to regulate sound from the FMC but i don't see something like this here now, any idea
Yhe PMDG stock soundset is really good, aside from the secondary engine sounds being far too loud, which are usually droned out by the trademark GE90 sounds we all know and love irl.
When you watch videos of engine tests where one engine is spooled up and down, the recording is so close that you can hear way more mechanical sounds which we never hear or ar least notice irl. It's really that simple.
The stock cabin soundset however, is absolutely perfect. The majority of these people complaining are either kids or adults who lack enough braincells to understand why it is the stock pmdg soundset sounds the way it does. They say the pmdg sound is trash when it is not.
@A330 driver Arr you able to reach out to ftsim to see if they can make a soundpack for the Inibuilds a320neo?
I don’t know if anyone discovered that if we connect the jetway to the pmdg777 even in the cockpit we can here the sound in outside like sound of wind and the engine sound of the ai aircraft. Is it the bug just for me or for everyone else is the same?
Commecting for same reason, interested to see what's happening with this
Should be included in the default PMDG 777. 😁 BTW will we have the famous 777 air sound in the cabin? Also, regarding the liveries, will we have the option to add window plugs in the future (is there a way to do so with MSFS limitation or will they allow PMDG in the future)?
So as a member of the PMDG tech team deems this additional sound pack superior, PMDG will buy the soundpack from FTSim and includes them in the $77.73(!!!) product for free, right?
Do you use Speakers or Headphones? I'm asking because the sounds have some sort of tunneling effect wich could be because your microphone picking up the sound of the speakers wich could lead to double sound. If this is not the case and you're using Headphones then the sounds in my opinion are not good. I'm actually not a big fan of FTSim+. Some soundpacks they made are better like the CRJ soundpack for the Aerosoft CRJ, but other ones like the one for the ATR are basically just a copy of the default King Air sounds, my experience of FTSim is quite mixed so far. When i someone trust in Sounds then it is Boris Audio Works. His CRJ sounds for the Aerosoft CRJ are night and day between the default and FTSim ones in my opinion.
I noticed that on pretty much every of his videos. Never knew why.
Would've love to hear the sounds from the cabin specially next to the engines right now we lack that roar during takeoff imo.
Würde ich gern kaufen und ausprobieren. Würde aber heißen das ich die 777 nutzen müsste und das geht nicht da der FMC Crash immer noch vorhanden ist....
Hello Emmanuel I spend 5 euros after seeing the video in regards to download the soundpack. However there is nothing on the link you attached I trid to downlaod and its really difficult website to use. So please I need you help thanks again and keep going with your amazing videos.
How do you download it? And put it into your files?
Where did you get the yoke checklist placard?
What is your mod for the traffic ?
Has anyone noticed worse performance since the last small update? Su15 was the smoothest my sim has ran but now it's stuttering.
Not to mention you’ll have to pay a monthly subscription to use the sounds 💀 not even a one time purchase Lmaoo just add this to the list of annoyances with the t7 and PMDG. Great job guys!
Ftsim have never been great on the external sounds but internal are great, would not fly the pmdg 737 without ftsim, will try out the 777 sounds !
The mod sounds so much more realistic!
Hello!! I would love to try It but I m struggle in how to install this sound pack; do y have any tutorial in how to install ?
Theres literally a INFO file in the download where everything is explained
@@rapid6747 Yeah, and i followed every step on how to install with that PDF that it comes with, and I got sound in the cockpit only and no exterior sound.. I don't understand why!
@@FlightSimMega Commenting for same reason, interested to see what's happening with this
@@Ajledbetter123 Yeah, it's strange!
Hey Emi was departing Dulles in the 777 and was leveled off at 3,000 feet it was pretty turbulent I was in a right turn and the 14 knot direct crosswind became a tailed wind while I was in a down draft, the fpm briefly went down to -700 fpm in a second I corrected quickly and only lost 30 feet would you have to file and incident report irl, and would you be introuble if this happened irl
30ft is no problem at all. Nothing to worry about ;-)
@@A330Driver thank you so much I felt like the worst pilot ever even though irl we’ve dropped a bit over 50 feet on a summer day in the 172 I fly
@@737-Sim-Pilot haha, that's really nothing to be concerned about.
Doesnt the Engine startup seem very quite?
Hello Captain you should check FTSim+ 737 sound packs for the PMDG 737 variants!
Hi Jose,
I did: ua-cam.com/video/V7suNAGUcwQ/v-deo.html
I've just listened to PMDG 777 stock sounds in both P3D and FS2020, within 5 minutes of each other. Personally, I don't think it's worth paying for a replacement FS2020 PMDG 777 sound pack.
The MSFS ones are the same as P3D just mixed differently
@@L.Mitchell What I thought. Thanks.
Man they came out quick with this. lol
It's the same sounds what they made for CS
that should be a concern.
What would you expect. The demand is there. The pmdg sounds are really awful.
why would it take longer? The actual aircraft has been out for decades, providing them the means to record the sounds before the PMDG is released.
Can you tell us how you installed it? There is a weird issue where the External Sounds are way too low.
Interesting, I had something similar even after following the attached readme.
@@Ajledbetter123 Yeah, something is either wrong with the instructions or the actual xml file.
Clearly there is community outrage and I hope PMDG notices. Usually I’d say the community is super whiney but this time I agree. $80 and the need for an additional mod is a bit ridiculous. Hopefully randazzo doesn’t double down and call his customers idiots.
Since the last update of the 777, the sounds are weird. Initially I had almost no APU sound, nor Pack sounds. Since the update now, I have no APU sounds, no pack sounds and no heat blur from the APU anymore. In the cockpit it’s weird as well. Sad for such an expensive product
I followed the manual and moved the "B773_Sp(GE)(PMDG)" inside the "Community" folder and I deleted the sound/sound.xml Parameter in layout.json found inside pmdg-aircraft-77w, but I only got sound in the cockpit and no exterior sound? I followed HOW TO INSTALL in the manual.. hmm!!
Seems similar to mine - the cockpit sounds good, the external model seems to lack something.
@@A330Driver Yes, but I have zero sound for the exterior. I am currently cruising, there is no sound at all from the outside.. strange🤔
@@FlightSimMega after “pause at top of descent” I don’t have any engine sound. Yes,I know the workaround of change to exterior view and then back to cockpit, but in this case with ftsim this didn’t work.
@@A330Driver do you have this issue with “pause at ToD”?
@@simu737ngargentina8 It's just strange that I don't have any engine sound at all from the outside view, but with default PMDG sound it was working just fine. The most important for me is the cockpit sound witch do work when I'm using FTSim soundpack, but it should have working exterior sound as well x)
When it comes to pause at ToD I can't answer because i've never used it in any sim at all.
Thanks for the video! I think engines sound is too low in the cockpit, especially when adding power in the landing phase, we can not tell at all. It's either because of the AC ventilation is too loud or the engine sound is too low. I agree when extending the speed breaks we should be able to hear a sound of wing vibration which is actually the coolest part of a flight (That sound in the real world attached me to flying)! I think all the sounds are there, they just need to be balanced!
I think ftsim needs to work on these more. I am a Patreon and he does have very good sounds for other planes. This one needs some work.
I installed it.
How did you do it?
Hey Emi, I’ve had 2 flights now where the auto throttle didn’t reduce the thrust on landing I had to and it’s caused me to land 3,000 feet down the runway
At eddf and syys both on live at Frankfurt I disabled it at 40 feet but it’s pissing me off both on live I did hand fly the plane form 10 miles out each time is that what caused it?
I never saw it mess up like that - I'd recommend to contact PMDGs support on support.pmdg.com or to open a topic in their forums. I'm sure you'll get help either way and have it sorted soon.
@@A330Driver Alright I will, I’m doing another flight I think the issue was from flying the 737 I was bringing the thrust levers to idle at 50 feet and it was messing with the plane so I’m going to wait till touchdown ( because the plane goes into hold mode) . If that doesn’t work I will contact pmdg support.
What is this external engine start sound ??? The 777 is iconic with this huge engine sound and here ... nothing !
Additionally, the cockpit color matches the Middle East livery as well :)
The repaint is by Atarium, I've always been a big fan of his work. He's an excellent painter!
@@A330Driver Thank you so much for recommending the site for aircraft repaints. I really appreciate it, and I've found a lot of very well made repaints for other aircraft as well.
the gap between the engine blade and engine cover looks bad. Thanks Captain
Why didn't the beta testers bring up the sound issues? Why didn't PMDG focus on quality sounds too?
ask them, politely, or you will just be ignored. so, play nice and behave and they will answer you
No external APU sound?
I think you should hear more of the "Hummm" of those engines...
Engine startup sounds nothing like the real thing from the outside.
Surprised you didnt show wing views so we could assess the sound, flap sounds too. Most of us have only heard the noises from the 777 as passengers not the flight deck.
16:09 how did you not think to pan the camera IN FRONT of the engines?
Why would I? Wouldn't make much of a difference (in real life at least).
Just downloaded and installed the FTsim soundset. Yes when you pan in front the engine, you hear the engine scream + roar (with higher N1) a lot better. Sideways on gives you exhaust sounds also, hence my question 😊
I think PMDG did a good job with the sounds but they simply need to increase the volume of the scream so it overshadows the other engine sounds which we barely hear and notice IRL. Those secondary sounds are far too loud.
The FTsim soundset needs updating. It also lacks the trademark, deep pitched, startup sound. The pmdg cabin sounds are unbeatable.
My outside view sound volume is very less
No APU sound ?
I don't hear much of a difference... I have never actually flown in a 777, but watching videos the PMDG (and FTSim+) sound tame at high loads. I would say their 737 sounds more true to life. Hard to believe difference in delivery, as PMDG did a great job with 737 sounds.
Edit: After doing a flight and listening to some vids, I'd say the sound pack and the default PMDG still sound similar to my ears. However, I'd say the PMDG sounds are fine. The thing that stood out most to me was the low thrust sound during descent. I didn't think that "whistle" was supposed to be there, but it seems I was wrong.
The engines should be more quiet in the 777, that is believable. I can only judge the two soundpacks from my A330 experience, where the engines are also quite a bit further away. Compared to the A330, the FTSim+ pack seems quite believable.
First came the microtransactions in games, now we are supposed to have a myriad of „microsubscriptions“ for every tiny little addon? No thanks. In my opinion PMDG should implement headset simulation first. I also would like to know what an actual 777 pilot thinks of the stock sounds. Are they really that bad? Just because the 777 does not sound like a 737 it doesn’t mean it is unrealistic, is it?
The sound from original PMDG 777 (FSX Steam or P3D) is better than the original version from PMDG FS2020.
Sounds are good all bar when moving thrust levers to take off power, that just sounds very wrong
use the ONLY ENGINES option
I'm fed up man. Why do we have so many addons FOR addons. Take GSX for example, we need profiles(addon) to get the payware airport(addon) to work well with GSX(addon). But there's also another addon to make it easier for the profile addon to be in the correct place for gsx addon.
Most sceneries now come with their gsx profiles. Inibuilds for example. Not everyone is well versed with software that's why there's an adding for everything. To help people who can't manually do stuff like finding the appdata folder
@denziiey yes but don't you have to take the profile out of the download file and put it in the gsx part?
@mammid9622 if you download a separate configuration yes. And of course you'd have to put it in thebfolder the software reads from. That's why someone made an addon to put it there. It's a computer program. Things don't just happen. It really isn't that complicated
@denziiey it isn't that complicated but it's the principle. And it adds up, if it was only just gsx that's fine, but I have to make sure fenix livery is installed then make sure the announcement pack is installed and then make sure cautl is restarted and so on
@mammid9622 I don't know about that part....I know the couatl script can be a headache but most times I set up my sim brief load up flight sim and everything is synchronized
While I understand the gripes regarding the price point vs sound quality; personally I couldn't care less. I buy PMDG for the systems depth and flight characteristics. Sound quality while important doesn't factor in for me as a ground handler. No amount of sound via a headset or sound bar/sub can compare with standing a few hundred feet from a GE-90 during startup. I have never been on a 777 flight deck irl and likely never will so decent enough works for me.
It's kind of funny - in the real world we do as much as possible *not* to hear those sounds, in the sim it's the opposite. I can understand the value of sounds however, due to the lack of other "feel-there" factors sounds need to make up for those. And I'm sure PMDG will improve them after all.
It is not acceptable to buy another product to have good sounds. Pmdg wants more many than Fenix and delivers a lower product quality. Also, you mention all the time that you are a beta tester. Why didn't you say something?
why weren't you a tester then you would probably miss a few things and will also be ridiculed right here
and comparing the fenix with with the PMDG makes you sound uninformed and pathetic
1. PMDG is built from scratch dude, whilst the a320 is a prosim addon customized and wrapped up in a fenix shell layer. SO dumb and dumber, the fenix is half a plane from dev viewpoint.
and pmdg is long haul, longer, higher and more volume than the a320. Bigger engines and much longer fuel range
OG AND IT IS BOEING whilst the a32 is an airbus. You sound pathetically uninformed to even attempt a comparison
anyway, the PMDG 777 is a better aircraft, no lies and uninformed opinions.
Anyway, enjoy your designation as one of those minority group that under Stretches their intellect when discussing this fantastic addon
PMDG for me
Why excepting the rudder?
Because rudder pedals are interconnected with the nose landing gear steering too, so you have to be safe, wait for pushback finished, tug disconnected and operator showing you the bypass pin in his hand.
@@extremehdsimulation5752 that makes sence. Thank you 😁
No thank you, I will wait
I assume it's a modded version of the CS777 sound pack, in which case YES it's a lot better then the PMDG.
I'm always dissappointed with the touch-downs in MSFS2020 they are too smooth, there should be a better touch-down sound and there should be more shaking and vibration; why do we have to buy third-party software like FS Realistic...
I get the feeling most simmers run onboard audio, let windows auto install drivers, and then never touch any type of settings. Then bitch that their $30 10+ year old desktop speakers don't sound and feel like a GE90. 🤣 I wouldn't be surprised if a good portion of people haven't even thought to check the MSFS settings to see if they have headphone simulation on.
i prefer the original pmdg sounds , kind of sounds sacarstic in this video🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
As a sound engineer with 20 years' experience mixing live audio, and who's flown as a passenger on plenty of Boeings (and once had a jump seat landing in a 737-800), I personally I think the default PMDG 737 sounds are very poor. The default 777 sounds are an improvement on those, but still poor in comparison to, say, the Fenix. This sound pack definitely improves the spool up/take-off roll sounds vs PMDG's attempt, to a point where they're certainly passable (the pitch sounds a bit low to me, but I can live with it). Engine start, reverser and external sounds seem worse than the default. So, it's a bit of a wash for me. Personally, I am hoping that @borisaudioworks does some sound packs for both the 737 and 777, because his packs for the CRJ and the upcoming Bluebird 757 are stunning. In the meantime, I hope PMDG does some work on their sounds, because they're really not great considering the prices they charge. At this level, I really want to be impressed and sadly I'm not.
Personally I think it’s rather unnecessary to focus on the small “bad” things about the PMDG, when there’s so much positive to focus on. With this other mentality that we only focus on the negative, go fly an LVFR plane and keep complaining
100%. I feel like PMDG focused more on the system rather than the sound and they probably already knew they aren’t gonna get positive feedback for sounds, meaning they might focus that on future updates. Other than sounds, it’s still a amazing aircraft
I downloaded the FTSIM sound but now don't have any typical engine start sound at all. The rest of the set works and certainly is better then PMDG original sound file which hopefully gets an update asap....
Inside or outside? I think it needs some more work on the outside, but I liked the cockpit sounds!
@@A330Driver inside
This should not be needed on a product like this
For 120$ NZD for a aircraft that needs sounds fixed is not good enough
I belive its ok PMDG not having as one of its main focus sound quality... But viewing so many bad reviews on how bad it actually is vs. how much they are charging really looks bad.
HOWEVER dispite the lack of realism said by others, i'd stick with PMDG's sound pack as even tho its less reallist ot sounds more entertaining.
are they just missing the outside APU sound?
Sounds to be a bug from the latest update.
@@sergivan08 Even before the update, APU sound was quiter than the most quiet kid in the class. They need to fix so many stuff soundwise.. Also the yoke and rudders being 5fps needs work too.
People are acting like this never happens, expensive addons with lacking sounds... :D Fly the Maddog X MD80 is an amazing airplane, but also suffers from a below average sound pack which is greatly improved by installing a third party sound pack from FTSim... :)
I think it's because they actually have made p3d 777 and we know they could do better. Besides, this is one of the top addon makers
Well it’s not that different
I can'help it,i hate subscripions.
A monthly subscription to airplane sounds. This is where I draw the line.
It’s only monthly if you choose…there’s nothing saying you can’t pay for one month that’s only a few dollars, get the Sounds you want and cancel.
@@jsawyer1181 Gotcha, it's more of a donation? That's different.
@@WesterDrive yeah more or less. It’s not something you have to keep paying for. I have a few creators that I only pay for when an update comes out, then I pause it.
This pack sounds kind of mid to me. I am an FTSim Patreon, and I don’t think I will pick this up. I don’t think it offers much more, I think FTSim rushed this one out. I am sure it will get better though. Honestly though, I don’t think the original is that bad. I guess I don’t care that much though. I swear people sit next to their computers with big JetTV on and just play takeoffs over and over again. Lol!
The short answer is, no. No, it’s not worth the price.
ooohhhh
Der Betatester feiert das neue Soundpack. Kannste dir nicht ausdenken.