My Power!? Its uninterruptable! (and also RGB) -- ft Tripp Lite Smart 1200 PSGLCD

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  • Power loss on your PC and Servers is an unexpected issue that should be expected, so prepare yourself with backup batteries! In this episode of L1Rambles, Wendell explains what an uninterruptable power supply is and why the UPS you got may not be the right one!
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  • @h4X0r99221
    @h4X0r99221 Рік тому +31

    I love the random snippets of Wendell grabbing stuff, setting up things and just random bits xD
    Good shit editor, keep them comming!

  • @PsychoStreak
    @PsychoStreak Рік тому +11

    When you've been at it so long you still have one of those old APC units, as well as the newer models.
    The old APC is just hosting a lamp and a battery charger, which is very handy when the other lights go out. Before that it did it's job and kept my DSL modem & router up.
    The grace period a UPS gives you for a controlled shutdown is truly invaluable.

  • @CycahhaCepreebha
    @CycahhaCepreebha Рік тому +36

    The built-in UPS is one nice feature laptops always have that desktops and workstations almost never have.

  • @dangerwr
    @dangerwr Рік тому +14

    I've been running a CyberPower CP1500AVRLCD for a couple of years now and it's fantastic. I have a 5950X/3080 Ti build and I get 10 minutes of battery under load and a little over 20 minutes at idle; plenty of time to shut down properly. 👍

    • @gangmeow
      @gangmeow Рік тому +1

      I have the same ups and the same gaming rig and get about the same times you do. I love it!

    • @dangerwr
      @dangerwr Рік тому

      ​@@gangmeow At just under $200 it's a steal compared to some other brands with the same specs. I plan on getting another one for my AV receiver and second, smaller system.

  • @Dan-Simms
    @Dan-Simms Рік тому +4

    Glad you made this video, everyone with a decent gaming rig should look into getting one of these, it will save your system, or at least a few headaches of losing your games progress. My power will flicker about once a month and almost every time my roomy will get mad b/c he was in game...and my PC will still be going fine.

  • @jayhd46
    @jayhd46 Рік тому

    Great Video, I've been preaching UPS's for decades. At home I have one that just protects my main machine and it's twin for all the rest. Our business sells a lot of Tripplite SU1500XLCD's which are great for onprem server towers. Thanks again!

  • @chromerims
    @chromerims Рік тому +1

    Super excellent vid 👍
    Sometimes, power-related things get overlooked when putting together everything from Raspberry Pis to Threadrippers.

  • @343_GuiltySpark
    @343_GuiltySpark Рік тому +2

    I bought a 1350VA APC in 2010 or so and replaced its battery last year. Was quite happy with it until just last month where it started throwing a fan fault error. I retired it to my ONT and router and picked up a brand new Cyberpower 1500VA pure sinewave unit for my desktop and am quite happy with it so far.

  • @capsulate8642
    @capsulate8642 Рік тому +19

    $250+ for a 1200VA is way beyond reasonable, but in general UPSs are very nice to have.
    I got a good deal on a 1500VA unit and it's gotten me through several power outages so far, and the power monitoring has been pretty handy. Super overkill though, I get like 40 minutes on battery lol

    • @paulwratt
      @paulwratt Рік тому +1

      if you can attach your own battery, then it becomes more feasible

  • @leviathanpriim3951
    @leviathanpriim3951 Рік тому

    thank you. feel better about my two APC UPSs i picked up a few months ago for my PC and TV/Console/content streaming area.

  • @garykelly
    @garykelly Рік тому

    I have two Tripp Lite UPSs and as much as I love Tripp Lite products, their customer service is the absolute best I have ever experienced in my entire 60 years of life.

  • @n.o.b.s.8458
    @n.o.b.s.8458 Рік тому +8

    Person: do I need a gaming PC?
    Wendell: you might, but it’s a bit more complicated than that.
    Ha ha ha Keep up the great work y’all. Your videos are not only informative buying advice, but also great general information that almost no one else covers. Super thorough, you guys are too knowledgeable to be bought by a company for good reviews!

  • @phraun
    @phraun Рік тому +8

    If you guys are ever so inclined, a homebrew lithium ion or lifepo4 ups build would be a pretty cool video.

    • @davisbradford7438
      @davisbradford7438 Рік тому +1

      I don't have a video, but it's remarkably easy. I get 14 hours of run time if I loose power from a grid connection at 330W synthetic load.

    • @ashkebora7262
      @ashkebora7262 Рік тому

      Just look up videos on backup inverters or solar setups. It's literally as easy as picking a decent model and plugging it in to the wall and a/some batteries. You'll even have quite a few options if you don't care if it has extra DC in (for EG: solar panels) or AC in (EG: for generators).
      It's especially easy if your task would work with only one battery cell, since you might not have to add in any extra BMS nor balance cells.
      (I mostly say "just look up other stuff" because these guys seem to be mostly server/pro level content. DIY with external devices does not seem to be much in their wheelhouse, as much as I'm sure they could make a good video on it)

    • @davisbradford7438
      @davisbradford7438 Рік тому

      The best prebuilt lifepo4 UPS's on the market seem to be the Ecoflow River 2 and the Bluetti EB3A for ~$240. There aren't really any other companies breaking into the market.

  • @futureb1ues
    @futureb1ues Рік тому +2

    Another great video Wendell! I'd like to share some thoughts from my own experiences.
    I was a big fan of Tripp Lite for many years but I eventually moved on from them because of what I consider a fatal flaw in their design. Tripp Lite UPS units conduct their power on self test through the battery without using any utility power, so if your battery went bad (or just got run down too low during a power outage), your equipment goes down hard and stays down even after the utility power returns. This is a particularly frustrating problem because sometimes the battery is salvageable but just needs to charge for a while but the tripp lite unit won't even do that because it cannot get past POST and engage the rectifier to start recharging the battery. Most other UPS vendors do not run the POST through the battery so if the battery is bad, it will alert you to change the battery while still passing power through to the equipment, essentially becoming a glorified power strip until you replace the battery, but its still better than having to rush to grab some extension cables to bypass a UPS that won't show any signs of life just because the 48VDC battery dropped to

  • @asdf51501
    @asdf51501 Рік тому +2

    I have Cyberpower battery backup units for the inbound internet hardware and for internal network hardware, so if the power goes out we’re good for wireless devices to be connected. I might put my Mac Studio on one too, but probably not my gaming PCs.
    I love videos like this, that touch on aspects of our hobby that we might not normally think about. 👍🏻

    • @MrHeHim
      @MrHeHim Рік тому

      Those cheaper ones are great if there used once or just a few short times a year, the square sign wave can/will damage and shorten the life of your hardware. You can pickup a power conditioner in between the UPS and equipment so it would feed it good clean power when on battery.

  • @pjtruslow
    @pjtruslow Рік тому +17

    I have two UPS units, a HP T1500 G2 and a tripp lite smart900LCD which have been converted to lithium iron phosphate. the little guy has a 6AH battery, which is probably good for about 40 minutes running my server and network. the big one has a 36V 8AH pack which is probably good for around 2 hours. if my power goes out, I shutdown my desktop and server and move my networking gear to the big UPS for extended networking runtimes.

    • @LA-MJ
      @LA-MJ Рік тому +2

      Where does one find replacement lithium iron phosphate batteries, and did you need to change the controller to convert it?

    • @pjtruslow
      @pjtruslow Рік тому +1

      @@LA-MJ in one case I picked up a NEC alm12v7hp from batteryclearinghouse. They were manufactured by A123 systems years ago for NEC as a direct drop in for sealed lead acid sadly I didn’t buy more when they were available since they are amazing. The other is a battery module from the same seller that I modified into a standalone battery with a built in BMS which required soldering to live batteries which I would never recommend unless you understand the risks working with a battery that will happily dump hundreds of amps into any metal that comes across it.
      In both cases, 4 cells series of lithium iron phosphate per lead acid 12v battery is close enough that the UPS itself can be unmodified.
      While there are lots of sla sized lifepo4 batteries these days, none of them seem to be able to put out current like sealed lead acid batteries can, so until the new owner of a123 IP releases a successor to the alm12v7hp I don’t know what to recommend, as I can’t recommend to an average person to modify battery packs due to the risk.

  • @robemanchester2277
    @robemanchester2277 Рік тому +3

    Literally just bought the APC SMT1500C and so far so good. Love the display on it and it's understated. Double lead acid battery and it's enough for my 2 consoles, PC and TV, of which only 2 of those things will be on at any moment. Really wish it wasn't so hard to extend the plug ins though, PDUs are so stupid expensive as a consumer, so I'm stuck with 4 battery outlets, but it works in my setup.

    • @ashkebora7262
      @ashkebora7262 Рік тому

      I mean... the only reason fire fighters and electricians warn you not to use power strips on power strips is purely because of two reasons:
      1. Some power strips/extension cables are rated for less power than even a single normal outlet. Sometimes less than half. This plays in to point #2...
      2. If you make it a habit, it becomes a lot easier to accidentally put a circuit together that's connected to itself or simply overloaded for the outlet or a particular undersized power strip/extension chord.
      That is to say, you should not feel bad what so ever for plugging a properly sized power strip or extension chord in to the UPS so long as you're not overloading it. Basically all of them will whine A LOT if you overload them, so it's even less of an issue for a UPS, so long as they haven't designed their plugs to be completely inadequate.

  • @davidblakley6806
    @davidblakley6806 Рік тому

    this was one of the must haves when i built my pc i already had to replace the pervious ups and now im using a tripplite

  • @Quettesh
    @Quettesh Рік тому +3

    In EU manufacturers have to specify both parameters (VA and W) - for example I have Cyberpower 1600VA/960W UPS.

  • @cdoublejj
    @cdoublejj Рік тому

    Not really a much here I didn't already know but, I really like this video because it has good info I can share with friends and colleagues

  • @KRAVER_
    @KRAVER_ Рік тому +11

    UPS is a must if you like your PC's. I use a bunch of them. one for CCTV, Gaming PC's, and Threadripper server all have their own UPS.
    finding replacement batteries that are actually good batteries is the tricky part.

    • @DJ-Daz
      @DJ-Daz Рік тому

      Have you tried a drop in replacement lifep04?

  • @Razear
    @Razear Рік тому +22

    That's something that I've always been annoyed with - you gotta replace the battery every couple years. And it happens with every brand I've tried. Wish they could extend the longevity to something more reasonable, especially when they cost considerably more than just picking up a surge protector.

    • @xDownSetx
      @xDownSetx Рік тому +15

      It's two issues that make UPSes murder batteries. They set the float voltage very high to get the absolute longest runtime out of the batteries, and when on backup power they will draw power until the battery is complete dead. Any one of those scenarios is terrible for a battery, but both is just torture.

    • @gillianseed4419
      @gillianseed4419 Рік тому +5

      this was the case with older apc units, they kept the batteries on float 24/7 as well as incorrect float voltage
      newer units only charge as needed or so im told
      not sure about other brands

    • @CycahhaCepreebha
      @CycahhaCepreebha Рік тому +2

      One solution is a supercap UPS. You won't be running a computer for more than a minute or two off of capacitors, but it is enough to sync and dismount your drives before power is lost.
      I don't know if there are any commercial solutions like the Tripp Lite that use supercaps, but they're not entirely unheard of in enterprise. They're a fair bit more expensive than lead-acid because those batteries are actually really cheap, but in the long run I suppose you save a little bit of money on maintenance.
      For a home I would just buy enterprise storage instead and just accept hard reboots whenever the power goes out though. These usually have an internal capacitor that lets them flush the write buffer before powering down, reducing the likelihood of data loss to whatever happened to be open and unsaved in software.

    • @chrisw1462
      @chrisw1462 Рік тому +3

      Replace it with a good LiFePO4 substitute. The UPS's charge indicator won't be accurate, but it'll last many more years than a lead acid one will.

    • @xDownSetx
      @xDownSetx Рік тому +2

      @@chrisw1462 on older APCs you can make it approximate. Older units have the capability to make the UPS think it has external batteries connected. So if the APC comes stock with a 9Ah battery, and you connect a 100Ah LFP, you can make it think it has 10 external batteries. Then do a runtime calibration and it'll be pretty accurate.
      I believe many of the SUA and SMT models can set this, but the newer SMX APCs use electronics in the external batteries to tell the main unit they're connected so they can't be tricked.

  • @FunWithKoda
    @FunWithKoda Рік тому +1

    Here in the UK we have whole home surge protected fitted (sometimes) so wasn't worried about that but we have frequent Increased line voltage, normally 230v but its been hovering around 287v. Just waiting for the power company to sort it, the ups saved my PC from any harm.

  • @kgonepostl
    @kgonepostl Рік тому

    Very informative, thanks!!

  • @mehhoona8699
    @mehhoona8699 Рік тому

    OMG, i was searching the web for reviews about ups. Which are the best one to buy etc. And now comes level1tech with a video about ups. Is it coincidence, karma who knows. I Just know that this will be very informative and making my purchase a bit less complex😁

    • @610jrod
      @610jrod Рік тому +1

      Tripplite is solid, I have a power strip & 2 UPS from them. They're a subsidiary of Eaton

  • @klemmonade
    @klemmonade Рік тому +2

    That UPS sound at the beginning freaked me out. Thought my server UPS was beeping.

  • @BigEightiesNewWave
    @BigEightiesNewWave Місяць тому

    He is the best ever explaining online, double conversion UPS, ever and why it is tops.

  • @AnimeRoot
    @AnimeRoot Рік тому +4

    UPS units are super handy and I have them on pretty much all my electronics. They are worth the money, protect your stuff!

  • @wertacus
    @wertacus Рік тому +2

    After having a refrigerator and a first Gen Alexa get fried by an unscheduled power outtage, I got some ups and surge protectors and it sure is nice when the power goes out and you have time to save your game and go find out why. I get about 10 minutes on my 3090 system with the $100 cyberpower unit from costco but that's usually plenty.

  • @JR-jp1rl
    @JR-jp1rl Рік тому +3

    @Level2Techs : Any idea what happened to Eric Raymond's project Upside after his post "UPSes suck and need to be disrupted" ?

    • @Level1Techs
      @Level1Techs  Рік тому +3

      Completing his vision is on my todo list. I was working with someone in Taiwan before the pandemic hit to adapt the type of batteries Eric described already in use in the Telcom industry.

  • @tenoki
    @tenoki Рік тому

    I purchased two APC SMART1500 towers from my local Navy DRMO back in 2011. I have changed the batteries three times in those things. The are Line Interactive and have save me more times than I would like to admit. I need to get some additional UPSes now and These look like they would be good for the lower power devices for TVs and stuff like that.

  • @damienr735
    @damienr735 Рік тому

    I think Wendell is psychic. Every time I start looking into something here he comes with a video about just that a couple days later😱

  • @daymianhogue1634
    @daymianhogue1634 Рік тому +12

    A more specific UPS buyers guide would be much appreciated Wendell

    • @ashkebora7262
      @ashkebora7262 Рік тому

      What more specificity _is_ there? He went through all of the types and their pro/cons. The rest of it is quite literally just picking the right size, which he also went over. Unless you want him to go over specific manufacturer features and compare/contrast specific models, there's literally nothing extra to go over.

    • @daymianhogue1634
      @daymianhogue1634 Рік тому

      @@ashkebora7262 yes. I was thinking specific models. Because I'm not exactly sure I wanna trust just what they say on the box with certainty. Considering one mess up and the UPS is a paperweight or a bomb.

    • @ashkebora7262
      @ashkebora7262 Рік тому

      @@daymianhogue1634 Any UPS that is even legal to sell in the states (or certified by the various regulatory bodies) must work within specification and must fail safely. You'd be pretty silly for not trusting the basic operations from some of the biggest manufacturers.
      The only thing you might accidentally do is something he very specifically mentioned in the video: Try to treat the volt-amp rating as the watt rating. They _are_ directly related, but related is not equal to.

    • @daymianhogue1634
      @daymianhogue1634 Рік тому

      @@ashkebora7262 uh I very much disagree with this idea like look at the exploding gigabyte power supply fiasco from earlier this year... those were even 80+ gold power supplies iirc.

    • @ashkebora7262
      @ashkebora7262 Рік тому

      @@daymianhogue1634 So... because Gigabyte screwed up on a product... you assume completely unrelated companies making unrelated products would make similar mistakes?
      That's some serious paranoia.

  • @NatureQuest2024
    @NatureQuest2024 Рік тому

    Any idea when the next UPS video will drop? Very interesting topic. Thank you for simplifying it

  • @buf0rd
    @buf0rd Рік тому

    wow. thank you. time to change it up.

  • @ToloyKeripinMunsang
    @ToloyKeripinMunsang Рік тому +4

    Some solar generator makes a good UPS. Jackery 1000 pro I think. Double duty as emergency power source too.

  • @kubato5054
    @kubato5054 Рік тому +6

    After just surviving the latest hurricane Ian, I can attest to the importance of battery backups. I have several servers and all my TV's and electronics on UPS. If fact, when my power goes out, I have 20 minutes to get the generator setup and running as part of my Florida power loss plan. My question is can you discuss how to test battery life leftover with a resistance check or OHM meter. I have 6 large UPS scattered around the house and knowing when to change old batteries is a pain in the rear tunnel. Also Wendell, I have been overpaying for replacement batteries too long. Most were old Chinese junk. I have over the past few years been using Battery Sharks to replace my batteries. Yes, I read all the bad reviews falsely accusing them of being bad. They only sell new high quality batteries from Vietnam and last as long as they should without the way too high prices.

  • @pyramid011
    @pyramid011 Рік тому

    Our rural home has solar and a generator and I still have everything important on UPSes. In my experience, electronics last longer and provide a much more trouble free experience when powered via UPSes. Computers, network gear, everything in the rack (of course), phone systems, cameras, NVRs, TVs, sound bars, and gaming consoles. It's all on UPSes. I always go oversize, space permitting. It's not cheap, but the gear plugged into them isn't cheap either.

  • @66racer
    @66racer Рік тому

    I use a Tripp Lite power conditioner followed by a Cyberpower pure sine UPS for my desktop. Setup works great.

  • @mattk6827
    @mattk6827 Рік тому

    Currently running an apc BR1500MS2, 1500va sine wave 900w and seems to be doing well for my pc. No rgb but has an lcd display, data link and while running low load watching this vid have around 65-70min runtime. The idea was to have more than 2min remaining if in game to shut down. Already lost a 4690k to a lightning strike (left a nifty streak etched across the die under the ihs), not trying to lose my 12700k or 3080. My area also suffers fairly frequent brown outs during power shifts which is worse than a full outage.

  • @grantwiersum7394
    @grantwiersum7394 Рік тому +1

    We're having wild wind today and the power grid has been freaking out all day. I started researching UPS's only to remember "Didn't Wendell just do a bit on a UPS?". Yup. A million questions answered.

  • @Dr_Nick_
    @Dr_Nick_ Рік тому

    If you have multiple batteries you can hook them up in parallel to reduce the strain during a power outage. This can improve the service cycle of the batteries.

  • @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar
    @mrfilipelaureanoaguiar Рік тому +3

    Well explained video, it's maybe the reason why not many people want or think to use it. I am checking for one but a good one it's not cheap. Having a good one, if you have bad or unstable home current it will give more FPS and better overclock too with stable power. As long as the battery is not too expensive, last long and can be replaced because the circuitry won't break after the first power outage and it should be fine.

  • @R055LE.1
    @R055LE.1 Рік тому

    I recently replaced the batteries in my desktop ups, didn't really INTENTIONALLY drain it but it was unplugged and the batteries were completely shot. Working great now. Got it on Craigslist for like $100. I hear it kick on randomly because the electrical in my area is shit, part of the reason for using it in the first place.

  • @ghammer9773
    @ghammer9773 Рік тому

    On rackmount versus tower. When you're talking about the 2U models, many come with feet/legs so you can perch them in as tower units without switching skus

  • @danney777
    @danney777 Рік тому

    Its actually funny and timely that this video comes out the day after an 8.5 hour long power outage due to 'equipment failure' rather an idiot was driving poorly in a heavy rain storm and did exactly what you showed. I was doing some docker training so i had to restart everything because i list my place.

  • @theophilusthistler5885
    @theophilusthistler5885 Рік тому

    LiPo is an interesting and ezpensive rabbit hole to go dowm.
    I was only after an 48V 800W ~50 A/h unit.

  • @cybersecuritydeclassified4793

    Wendell is awesome!

  • @QuickQuips
    @QuickQuips Рік тому

    Ups is necessary with sensitive stuff like speakers and NAS. My Smartups 1500 has saved me a lot of headaches and concerns over a few blackouts.

  • @bertnijhof5413
    @bertnijhof5413 Рік тому

    I live in Santiago de los Caballeros and we have 2 to 20 power-fails/week. In the past I lost one off-lease PC per year, due to motherboard or SFF power unit failures. Those power-fails also caused corrupted files. I had a UPS for the house, but the switching to batteries caused all PCs to crash. I used an UPS per PC for some time, but that only worked for max 10 minutes. The batteries of both type of UPSes always needed renewal on the wrong moment.
    Since 2012 I use a 1200W Avtek Surge Protector and that solved the hardware failures. I store all my data in OpenZFS and that solved the file corruption.
    During, the power-fail I play Solitaire on my phone and if it takes too much time I drink a beer in the local colmado on the corner, but that happens only once per month. Most of the time the power is back within a few minutes.

  • @noenken
    @noenken Рік тому +2

    1:36 UPS drops on table ... shakes the whole damn planet

  • @ThePeperich
    @ThePeperich Рік тому +3

    Remember buy at least two UPS (even common user) - PC and router to the „telephone“ socket :) so that you may be can even have internet and LAN+WLAN - if you are lucky (or use a backup LTE/5G Stick in your router with automatic fallback) you can go on; better slow than nothin and send the final mail hehe.
    Btw, just read a bit online due to Wendells „brown out“, „flash“ and „vacuum“ hint as I live in a house built in 1931 (Germany), those problems are not known by me (though this house was renovated in the 1990s), just to understand it.
    How extreme different (everything has advantages and disadvantages) the laws and industry standards/regulations are, regarding the utilities/electricity systems (net - inside house/flat cabeling - number of phases/amperes - fuses - residual current circuit breakers etc.) and duties of landlords/even owners have, between the USA and EU/Germany are is nearly weird. I didn‘t know that is so much more as „just“ 110V or 230V and the wide known aspect that the US still has so many power lines not underground.
    Thx for the video and keep the excellent work up!
    Cheers, Pepe

  • @pheelix-
    @pheelix- Рік тому +2

    I picked up a CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD 2 years ago for $200. Batteries in it are still good and its pure sinewave. Connects to my pc via usb so I can use its software webgui to configure/test/control it. It has saved my pc's from turning off a few times due to power outages. HWinfo also detects it and allows me to use MSI Afteburner to put meters on my taskbar so I know charge state and power/watt usage. When the batteries do go out, I plan on putting in 2 Lifepo4's + BMS in it. $250 for the Tripplite SMART1200PSGLCD, is way to much for 1200VA/720W UPS.

    • @patrickmtx
      @patrickmtx Рік тому

      That CyberPower PSU has a significant fire hazard issue with the glue that is used.

    • @pheelix-
      @pheelix- Рік тому +1

      @@patrickmtx I have the Rev 3. It doesn't have the same fire hazard issue Rev 1 & 2 does. But I will be taking it apart to remove the glue that is between the 2 capacitors. Not that it needs to be done. Just going to be on the safe side.

  • @northwanderer800
    @northwanderer800 Рік тому

    thanks Wendell for reminding me of my eternal fear of carrington event 2.0.. if that happened back then i hate to think whats going to happen now lol..

  • @sarrasmith2508
    @sarrasmith2508 Рік тому

    I have an old 600ish VA UPS dedicated to my ethernet equipment, notably my Cable modem, router, and network switch.
    When the town I live near caught on fire, and the power went out, our VOIP phone line kept working, so we got instructions from the county sheriff instructing us to not evacuate and shelter in place. Would have had nothing otherwise, the cell network collapsed completely and there was no other readily available communication lines here. It took several days to get cell comms up, they had to truck in mobile towers from out of state.

  • @brendanrandle
    @brendanrandle Рік тому

    you could extend the battery wires and connect it to a camping LiFePO4 battery with built in bms for longer runtime on the cheap

  • @KuramaKitsune1
    @KuramaKitsune1 Рік тому

    I stuck a growatt infinity 1500 in front of my pure sine wave ups,
    Seems to work well enough in testing

  • @AncienRegimeStudios
    @AncienRegimeStudios Рік тому +2

    Does anybody know what model those two monitors are and what stands they're mounted on?? I love that setup. As for UPS I'm thinking of spending $3500-$5000 for a propane powered electric generator and wall panel next to my circuit box for that..

  • @mcloude1
    @mcloude1 9 місяців тому

    I was wondering if you had any problems with the Tripp lite ups. I read some of the APC and cyber power ups catching fire. Haven’t seen any on the Tripp lite unit yet being it’s kinda new

  • @ab2tract
    @ab2tract Рік тому

    im wondering if there is a ac/dc charger on home built LiFePO4 pack to converter to UPS built into a cabinet that might be the uber setup

  • @JeffGeerling
    @JeffGeerling Рік тому +1

    0:35 - correction: nobody who hasn't had a UPS save their bacon likes UPSes ;)

  • @Jarymut
    @Jarymut Рік тому

    Any idea where can I find UPS with 12V DC output for my other devices? I really do not like all the AC->DC->AC->DC trip with normal UPSes...

  • @charlesballiet7074
    @charlesballiet7074 Рік тому

    2-3 years. my apc ups still going strong 5 years. though I do plan to replace the battery portion this year

  • @guy_autordie
    @guy_autordie Рік тому

    In france, I had many times every every small flickering, not the ones you see in movies. And when I see many times, it was per day.
    LED lights kinda change that.
    I really believe in building/house UPS. All none sudden big power like a vacuum cleaner, kitchen thingies should be on that raffined "100%" stable lines. But the rest, yes it should be.
    I still have 2 powerstrips form APC, they are great. I had one power cut (neighborhood) when my computer stays up a good 2 or 3 seconds. Amazing stuff.
    Also, we have only one grounding rode here. (anodized copper, 1m deep)

  • @100ccSuperRat
    @100ccSuperRat Рік тому

    build your own in the threadripper case, no need to convert dc from batts to computers dc needs, is the 3.5v used anymore?

  • @cobrabeebop
    @cobrabeebop 11 місяців тому

    22:31 was there ever a video on this tower tripp lite ups Wendell is using for his workstation? Been looking, can't find it. As far as I can tell it's a SmartPro 120V 2.2kVA 1.7kW Line-Interactive UPS Part Number: SMART2200NET ?

  • @ErnstKotze
    @ErnstKotze Рік тому

    We have "loadshedding" where the power goes off for 2 hours once or twice a day.
    What solutions would you say be helpful?

  • @Kerosyn
    @Kerosyn Рік тому

    would appreciate a closer look at how important a pure sine wave output really is, because I have yet to find two people anywhere on the internet who both agree on how necessary they think it is _and_ provide reasoning based on consistent evidence rather than theories. most UPSs on the market in a reasonable price range use simulated sine

  • @JoriDiculous
    @JoriDiculous Рік тому +1

    UPS is a must have. I have two, where one works . .lol .. Anyway, the APC i bought (my 2nd ups) is great. One BIG drawback is the contacts on the back. Only the stupid computer plugs , no normal plugs. And that is basically the story of all (consumer) UPS you can buy here. And since only Computers come with that type of plug you're (almost) screwed hooking up routers, switches etc to tye UPS. You can get extensions to plug in normal powercable to the ups. But it's is extra money, and a mess of cables.

    • @eberger02
      @eberger02 Рік тому +1

      You can buy the connector. Forgotten the name. Much much cheaper than buying the full extension. Then you just wire it in yourself replacing a plug.

  • @reallunacy
    @reallunacy Рік тому

    Right now I only use a UPS on my network. I've got a few rack mount units I'm about to replace the batteries on then I'll be upgrading by UPS situation.

  • @slipknottin
    @slipknottin Рік тому

    I have a tripplite 1500va. And it sometimes decides it also wants to turn off when the power turns off. It’s random though, it usually stays on fine when the power drops out. Have absolutely no idea how to troubleshoot it.

  • @criostasis
    @criostasis Рік тому

    My biggest issue with UPS's is the price and I think thats why most people dont buy one. Also the huge price jump to get the same model but rack mount!!! I have a Cyber Power 1500VA and the rackmount version is over double the price!

  • @paulwratt
    @paulwratt Рік тому

    when speaking about the telephone network, I kept expecting to hear "UPS's up the wahzoo" ;) (I rewound just to make sure I didn't miss it :)

  • @HAL_NOVEMILA
    @HAL_NOVEMILA Рік тому

    just wandering but do those big batteries, such as the Tesla Powerwall, that get sometimes bundled with solar panels solutions not also act as an UPS? ...Assuming that you had one of those, wouldn't it mean that you do not need a serate UPS for your PC?

  • @imadecoy.
    @imadecoy. Рік тому

    I have a Tripp lite 1500VA 2u model I got when my office closed and they had to get rid of stuff. I tried using it but sadly the fan comes on full blast regularly and is very annoying. It even happens with no load.

  • @ayan.debnath
    @ayan.debnath Рік тому

    QUESTION: I have two that cheap APC 600 UPS. It gives just few minutes of backup, just enough to save and shut-down.
    For testing, if I turn off the wall switch, it gives the backup, no immediate PC shut-down.
    BUT when actual power-cut happens, high chance, immediate full PC shut-down!
    Why?!

  • @Trylen
    @Trylen Рік тому

    So far I have a APC Back-UPS NS 1080 that a got from a yard sale for $15 about 5 years ago, only had my first battery swap in it a month ago. It only runs my Cable modem, PFSense Box, main Juniper POE+ switch and that's it. Nice to know if the power goes out, the main network stays up about 24 minutes. Still gotta get something for the NAS though.

    • @robertkohler4173
      @robertkohler4173 Рік тому

      Do you know it stays up about 24 minutes because you tested that, under load? or are you going by sales specs?... From experience they are not the same

  • @metaleggman18
    @metaleggman18 Рік тому

    Oh yeah, the xbox 360 and one power bricks will stay lit (console off, brick unplugged) for a like several minutes, sometimes even like 10 or 20. I always noticed that when unplugged the console for moving stuff around

  • @tronus98
    @tronus98 Рік тому

    Can these trigger a shutdown on your PC or do you have to be there to catch it and shutdown your rig?

  • @Apex180
    @Apex180 Рік тому

    Failure mode of a APC SMART 750 - caught on fire, lucky i was in the home office when it did this and got it disconnected and removed from the house before it caused any further damage.

  • @andre2k
    @andre2k Рік тому

    Since all equipment I plug into my UPS converts the power back to lower voltage DC current it seems like quite a waste converting back and forth. Is there no AC to DC UPS/power supply combo that can plug direct to the ATX connection on the motherboard? And also have some 12V and 5V outlets for network switches and such. Would be nice

    • @Blacklands
      @Blacklands Рік тому +1

      There are DC-input power supplies and DC-output UPSes. But I think they're mostly/only in the enterprise market, so they might very expensive and hard to find. I'd be interested in this, too!

  • @shanent5793
    @shanent5793 Рік тому

    Do the UL/CSA technicians also take a "grain of salt" when testing these UPS? Just how are we supposed to size them?

  • @darkavenger10k
    @darkavenger10k Рік тому

    From memory (I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong)
    VA (Volt-Amp) is the power consumed without taking in power factor nor efficiency losses.
    W (Watts) is the actually power being used in the real world.
    This can be another issue with buying UPS's as if you have any equipment with bad power factor correction this can throw out expected run times by quite a bit.
    Personally I have an older APC 1500VA 2U rack mount which I got from a hospital as being critical equipment they replace them regardless of if they are still working or not so I got a good 2 years out of it before having to change the batteries making it a very cost effective way for a home server.

    • @awocrf
      @awocrf Місяць тому

      VA * pf = W

  • @camjohnson2004
    @camjohnson2004 11 місяців тому

    unless you have like a Yumcha PC power supply you will find that they will easily handle switch over style UPS. Usually on the input from the wall there is a large 350v capacitor, and if your PSU has a good rectifier circuit it will handle a spike. I am In Australia and the power spec here is 240v plus or minus 10% which is just over 260v, meaning any power supply has to handle up to that voltage and still work as intended to get certification here, You will find that even with overlap of the sine wave, its likely not even going to spike past 5% and the capacitor in your PC PSU will handle the spike by dumping the excess power into the capacitor and not into the transformer.
    PC Power supplies have gotten alot better than they were 10-15 years ago.

  • @IRQ1Conflict
    @IRQ1Conflict Рік тому

    Does the software automagically shut down your computer if your not there to catch it? What if the PC is in sleep mode?

  • @josemachado7830
    @josemachado7830 Рік тому +2

    One of the most simple yet complicated problems in our tech market. How to select the proper UPS for your machine.

    • @BikingWIthPanda
      @BikingWIthPanda Рік тому +2

      it's probably easier to just set up n off grid solar photovoltaic array haha

  • @hblamo
    @hblamo Рік тому

    Question, at what point does it just make more sense to use something like a ecoflow?
    I would reckon there is some circuitry in there to bypass the battery when plugged into mains. I guess the next question would be if it bypasses the battery when plugged into mains, how long might it take to switch from mains/battery in the event of a power outage/brown out....

    • @hblamo
      @hblamo Рік тому

      Just looked it up, 30 milliseconds. May not be fast enough on the jump.

  • @dllsmartphone3214
    @dllsmartphone3214 Рік тому

    any recommendation for a 3000+va ups? i need at least 1500w that holds more then 15 minutes before it shuts off. and will be also nice to dont have "much" noise on idle.

    • @Blacklands
      @Blacklands Рік тому

      Look at what APC and Eaton offer in terms of lithium-battery units. Those have much higher capacity and thus longer runtimes.
      They both also have models that can be extended with additional "battery pack" units (rack-mounted), giving you longer runtime (those are connected in parallel, so you don't get higher output wattage, just more capacity).

  • @mattatwar
    @mattatwar Рік тому +1

    We moved to N1C LIPO4 UPSs at work expected to last at least 10 years.

  • @th0m
    @th0m Рік тому

    I feel like I'm being trolled by the porsche with mercedes wheels @4:13 but otherwise great video

  • @uncrunch398
    @uncrunch398 Рік тому

    How good does one need if your PSU cleans the power coming in and has a seven, eight or ten year warranty?

  • @hovant6666
    @hovant6666 Рік тому

    Where I live, I think it may have been over a year now since my last blackout

  • @Steve25g
    @Steve25g Рік тому

    I run differente up's in the 3000va class, 2 and 3U.
    had some battery package, which was placed by a German service operator.
    the ups are operated in South America.
    The trick of deepcycle lead is, keep those batteries cool, all time.
    for some batteries, this is spec'ed at20°c, other 25°c.
    5° make a ton of life lost.
    for longuevity, you should only use 30% of capacity., which means, talking about our ups's, you need to add a ton of batteries.
    There are people offgrid for 27 years, with flooded lead deep cycle, in temp stabilised rooms.

  • @paulwratt
    @paulwratt Рік тому

    I am pretty sure I saw an APC UPS with a car battery hanging off it around 2002 in Johannesburg South Africa

  • @Greenwithao
    @Greenwithao Рік тому +1

    I have always wondered if instead of converting from ac to dc battery and back to ac only to be converted to dc again if we could just power dc. i found there are dc input atx psu 9-18volt input available. is there a reason this would not be a better solution for something like a server rack? just convert at the UPS and switch to battery when power goes out?

    • @vgamesx1
      @vgamesx1 Рік тому

      There is such a thing, ever heard of a PicoPSU? It's meant for small/lower power computers, but it takes 19v from a laptop brick and converts it to 12/5/3.3v, so basically you could either have your typical UPS or directly connect it to a 21-17v source such as battery and keep a charger connected to it.
      Why isn't that sort of thing more common? I have absolutely no idea other than simplicity, as you normally wouldn't have a user play around with their PSU or whatever.

    • @Blacklands
      @Blacklands Рік тому

      This definitely exists (DC-output UPSes, and DC-input power supplies as you've found), but mostly on the enterprise market, I think. I don't know why!

  • @steven44799
    @steven44799 Рік тому

    I have an APC smartups 1500 that I picked up with dead batteries, I extended the battery pack wires to put 2x 34/38ah batteries on it and now it will power my pc for 40 minutes.

  • @lfla0179
    @lfla0179 Рік тому

    I went full stupid and got myself a 1200VA UPS with a 24V external DC plug and bought two perfectly identical 50Ah car batteries in series 😂. Gotta love compact cars now!
    6 minutes pfffffft... more like 30 minutes on the set that was on its way out to the recycling center. Got 8 years out of the last set.
    I check the voltages from time to time, and the UPS keeps them at 25V, exactly 12.5V each, nice and tidy. Given these are car batteries, I wish I could crank that up a bit, given car alternators throw 14V at them.
    It is a bit comical to use car connectors to a "thin" gauge wire that fits on the UPS leads, but hey, it's stupid but it works.
    Plus I can jump start my car with one of them in a pinch 😅. Saved me a "late for work" day more than once.
    And I know for a fact that a car starter is BRUTAL on batteries, pulling 600 amps for a couple seconds, so these batteries are nowhere near being abused.

    • @awocrf
      @awocrf Місяць тому

      when you charge these batteries to a higher voltage then you will propably last shorter

  • @PartySlothy
    @PartySlothy Рік тому

    What is actually gonna break in these UPSs (especially if you don't cycle the batterie too often)? Are they repairable? If recently eyed a 10kVA one up for auction that's 2 years old. Nobody seems interested, but maybe because it will be very expensive to service? Does anyone have experience with a Sentryum S3T 10-11 CPT?

  • @portwolf2293
    @portwolf2293 Рік тому +1

    @tekwendell how about data center utility scale power filtering, conditioning and surge suppression?
    And what would you recommend at a home utility panel scale including emp forms?
    Edit: sorry wendell, I went down this rabbit hole before and got excited about learning about it again.
    I feel I've become something of a professional student as I've aged 😜

    • @boneappletee6416
      @boneappletee6416 Рік тому +2

      Becoming a professional student is the best way to use your free time as you age! :D

  • @rwinkdopey
    @rwinkdopey Рік тому

    If you are going to pay for a SmartPro Net UPS you really should look at the SU2200XLA, it is an Online UPS with 1600W for basically the same price.