thankyou for watching ive done many videos im far from perfect but i try and give everyone the real world look at what the cameras i use can do. i do not edit much at all so the images are all pretty close to original
Thankyou so much for your very kind words i just try and keep things real as possible. in october the rx10iv is 3 years old. tech has suddenly jumped forward again and now the new A7siii is now being talked about again with its new specs we could see a real beasty rx10V or what ever they decide to call it. :) thankyou for watching
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, I’ve been watching quite a lots of your videos lately, do you think the Mk 4 is still a good buy for a budding novice/hobby photographer? Thanks mate
@@Holdenmagroin75 thanks for watching. the camera once you have learned how to get the best from it is amazing one thing id 100% recommend is getting it in to manual mode then you get what you want. its a pro-level bridge camera to speak but has some limitations but for everyday use for pros/ hobbyists its amazing mine is 3.3 years old now and im stil impressed by it even against my 60mp a7riv.
@@sjm.photos Thanks so much for replying, Yeah I live in the Lake District so love getting out and really developing a love for taking photographs. Only on iPhone 11 pro at the moment so would love to take the leap to the next level. Have looked at several bridge cameras but settled on the mk 4
Hiya, I had a play with it last weekend , I am pretty impressed with it. I think the combination with my optics(my binoculars and telescope) for birding, its works really well without too much bulk. Shall be buying one in the next couple of weeks. Thanks to you for sharing . ☺
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, speaking of memory cards, I asked Wex Photo & video, what the best SD card for the RX10iv that’s I need, as long it’s had fast read speeds, without spending too much on a SD card. I always uses Sandisk in cameras over the years , but he recommends Delkin Prime, saying just as good as Sandisk?. I was thinking of having two 64gb cards instead of having one large 128 or 256gb. I will be shooting raw photos and some 4k videos. I am just interesting what your opinion on this for this Sony RX10iv camera. Thanks.☺️👍🏻
@@John99BoyEngland to be fair they all seem to be good nowadays i was a sandisk user for many years sinse 2006 i think but now use the sony E sdcard not expensive but its what ever you can get price wise for your own so
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, speaking of the different with UHS-1 and UHS-2 on SD card, the latest is UHS-2 had a higher MB/s,(I think) so that don’t benefit for the RX 10iv. So I stick to the UHS-1 SD card, as it is cheaper, depending on the manufacturer. So hearing from you about this, it’s sound it doesn’t matter which one. Ok, if one card write speed is 160MB/s and the other is 280MB/s, can the Sony RX 10iv get the benefit from the 280MB/s write speed, if not, I might as well go for 160MB/s. What the the point of having the best one if it’s doesn’t benefit for RX 10iv, as it’s been on market for over 5 years. Unless it’s the latest model which just came out on the market, if I am right? What I am trying to say, for a example, buying the flagship smartphone IPhone 14pro or iPhone 14, what the point of buying the pro if you don’t need it. What I am trying to learn these days, buying the best isn’t everything, cos half the time I don’t use it, if you know what I mean. Anyway i stop rabbiting on!😅 Thanks😉👍🏻
Great snaps, vivid colours and such detail. I have been using a dslr for some time, and really have the need for zoom lens. For the price of the Rx10iv, its a no brainer. I have made my mind up, many thanks great stuff👍
Stuart loving your vids. Only just bought one. Can you recommend a UV filter please. I'm guessing main purpose of this is to protect the lens itself? I'm all new to photography Many thanks
thankyou for watching and the kind words. uv ive not used at all for a long time just because i leave the lens hood on all the time and if you have seen my video on how hard the glass is you will see they are tough. but if you want one id always buy a decent brand mostly HOYA and they are about £25-35 on ebay i believe. hope that helps.
Very late to the party just got my RX10.. absolutely loving it so far. Just got a quick question, scanning through the menu it looks like phase detect is turned off, should I turn it on?
Thanks a lot for making this series of videos. Really truly enjoy watching your work specially with the RX 10iv. I have the RX 10 and so I can certainly understand and appreciate better not only the areas where this camera excels but also how you've been able to get most out of it. I so wish I could get this camera and so your channel is a big consolation until then. The amazing wide range usage of this camera makes me sort of wonder if those larger sensor cameras really are an over kill for the vast majority of users? Also this brings me to another very important point, considering the previous point actually holds true then I wonder if they'd come up with another model as it seems to threaten the sales of other cameras which the companies would like to sell more so as to ensure continued forced buying specially in terms of more glass? Nice work keep it up 👍🏽
thankyou for your kind words. i really think the next version will be a bit of a camera killer like you said and yes most people have bought cameras they really cant get the most out of they have just been told they need a dslr or full frame mirrorless etc. obviously i use full frame mirrorless for work but even the rx10iv has been utilised for shots i cant get with the a7riv. i think we will see a new full frame camera first before the new rx10 but i could be wrong. thankyou for watching
Thank you for sharing your experiences in using RX10M4. These are very impressive shots with a bridge camera. I'm considering getting this camera for birding. Am wondering whether it is a wise choice, but looking at your pics convinced me that it might be..may I ask you whether you shot these pics in jpeg or RAW format? Thanks again for sharing this video.
thanks for the kind words. yes i shoot raw always just allows so much more adjustment if you need it. the only downside is you cannot zoom in and out whilst focusing or shooting like you will with a mirrorless or dslr. but it focuses so fast i just let off zoom in or out then push shutter button again i rarely miss with it. plus its always with me. thats its greatness its the fact no lens swapping and also f4 at 600mm unless you are going to spend £12000 for a massive 600mm f4 lens there is nothing else out there that can give use the shutter speeds we want sometimes. its sharp really sharp just a little noise reduction when shooting iso400 upwards and its good but im at iso 100 80% of the time and maybe upto iso 640 occasionally ,
@@sjm.photos Tq for your reply. Appreciate your detailed explanation. I will certainly seriously consider getting this camera, esp for the convenience of not needing to lug around heavy gear! Thanks again!
@@sjm.photos Considering the fact you are a pro photographer and appear to use the Sony RX10 iv quite a bit- what do you say about all of those categorizing it- "point and shoot"? That's considering even the A9 has a full "auto" setting.
@@sjm.photos Agreed. Would you consider making a video specific to the use of Photoshop/Lightroom/other, to bring an image made with RX10iv closer to the quality level of one made with bigger sensor? I'm assuming that RX10 image has already benefited from the best available camera settings used in RAW format.
Brilliant Stuart as always, Shows just how good this Camera is in the right hands. As you have said yourself the price may be high but where else can you get a camera with a lense of this quality and focal length at this price
Very informative as always. I have this camera and generally agree it's a decent camera but I find anything above about 400 ISO is very noisy and therefore not pleasing to the eye. I try to do as little post production as possible so I have big decisions to make about keeping or binning the resulting shot. So anything needing a high shutter speed in anything other than good light is often not worth trying.
@@brianchandler1365 I know you mentioned not liking to post process much, but I tried Dxo photo lab 4 and it really helps with noise reduction for this camera
I love my RX10 IV and have taken loads of pictures with it but only one video. I just can't seem to get my head around video recordings. Your slow motion videos are awesome and I'm sure not that technical, but every time I pick the camera up to try I end up just taking still images.
its as easy as making sure you have the focus poit for what you need. i mostly leave the camera just in manual for stills then just push the movie button for video. and adjust the settings as i need. mostly 100fps 1080p hd and sometimes 4k and the hfr modes. next video will explain a little more for you
I hate your video, because now i'm wanting this camera even more. 🤩🤪 But first i have to sell my Nikongear. I ♥️ the little robin. And the other pictures too. You got a new subscriber. A dutch girl in Germany.
Great video James which I've used as a reference for my own RX10iv. I purchased it a couple of weeks ago but I can't get anywhere near the image quality that your camera is producing. I thought I may have been asking a little too much from it but seeing the results of an identical model, I think mine may have an issue.
can you explain what you are thinking ? and what settings you are using. remember i use full manual , manual iso and manual fstop and manual shutter speed. how do you use yours? sadly there are a few out there that might be faulty.
@@sjm.photos I've tried shooting in all the settings. I even set it up following you deep menu set up guide. Raw and jpeg too. The images look ok on the display but when zooming in there is no detail at all. It's akin to zooming in on a photo taken with a phone if that makes sense.
Hi I been out texting camera earlier and I put iso to100 but it was way dark. Put it to auto and it was viewable. Finally found the button to alter the shutter speed ✅
where is Sony Rx10 V my wish is It should come With an APSC sensor and at least 400mm zoom range and 10bit video internal recordings and video length should be unlimited
I dont know how you dont have more subscribers Stuart. Pictures are awesome man. Thd best ive seen bar non with this camera. Work your Robin pic. How close where you? Or in general what sort of distance ard you to these small birds?
Nice phot's and movies did I've seen made by the Sony. I like the camera and quality. Can you also foto stacking with this camera? I'm interested how close (macro) is possible. I want to make movies from water insects up close. Can you give me info about that please? Maybe an other Sony for that kind of work? Greetings from the Netherlands.
thanks for watching yes you can stack images but in a progam later ie photoshop and also sony imaging edge program and others. you dont have macro as such but it will focus very close at 24mm and at 92cm at 600mm so very good for butterflies etc
i now use the SONY E v60 sd cards uhs2 not that the camera can support the full speed it works well and faster transfer off the sd card later. 128gb card is about £64 i use them in my a7riv aswell.
It’s an amazing all in one camera. However I wonder if thou dost protest too much. Are you trying to convince your viewers or yourself that you made the right choice ? It will be interesting to see what the model V brings to solve the shortcomings of the RX 10 IV. Don’t get me wrong. It’s a nice camera. My research tells me that the Sony A6400/A6600 or A7iii would be a better choice for me.
im not trying to convince anyone its just my thoughts and people make up their minds. but i owned an a6300 for a while and the rx10iv concistantly produced better images. its also all about if you want to lug around lenses and a bigger bag etc.
I love my Sony RX10 IV. I mainly use it for plane spotting and it really is a beast. I had it with me on holiday this summer, and it took some outstanding photos and videos. I upload some of my photos on Instagram (Danishaviation_official) 😊
The opening picture in this video (same as the pic at 9:05) is in another video by you claimed to be taken with a A7r3?? Check ua-cam.com/video/cumPSYzmHuM/v-deo.html at 2:43
I'm mind blown finally a review of a camera that was mostly photos from the camera! Well done sir!
thankyou for watching ive done many videos im far from perfect but i try and give everyone the real world look at what the cameras i use can do. i do not edit much at all so the images are all pretty close to original
Gorgeous pics am loving my own camera more now
thanks one reason i do the videos is to help inspire people
Love watching your photography develop over the years. I'm going to be saving my money to get this camera.
Thanks for watching :)
Some fine shots there, don't be shy with more RX10iv videos.
Thanks more on the way
Made me want to dig out my camera today and used it all day
awesome
Thank you for showing such a great variety of images to really give a viewer a good summary as to the ability of this camera.
thankyou for the kind words and thankyou for watching
Great Shots! Looking forward to getting The RX10iv.
Awesome thanks for watching
Love your videos and the photos you took with this are fabulous! Thanks as always for sharing your views and your work!
Cheryl Houghton Thant our very much that means a lot 😊
Love your work with the IV I am looking forward to getting one soon
thanks for the kind words. awesome enjoy it
@@sjm.photos Hopefully it can be bought soon
You’ve convinced me to get an RX-10 IV....
wish sony would pay me comission haha enjoy the camera
I LOVE the one with the walker
thankyou
Amazing photos!, thanks for your vídeo 👍🏻
thankyou so much for the kind words and thankyou for watching
Your channel is one of most informative on youtube, thanks for all your lovely work, hopefully the rx10v will come on the market soon? Thanks again..
Thankyou so much for your very kind words i just try and keep things real as possible. in october the rx10iv is 3 years old. tech has suddenly jumped forward again and now the new A7siii is now being talked about again with its new specs we could see a real beasty rx10V or what ever they decide to call it. :) thankyou for watching
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, I’ve been watching quite a lots of your videos lately, do you think the Mk 4 is still a good buy for a budding novice/hobby photographer?
Thanks mate
@@Holdenmagroin75 thanks for watching. the camera once you have learned how to get the best from it is amazing one thing id 100% recommend is getting it in to manual mode then you get what you want. its a pro-level bridge camera to speak but has some limitations but for everyday use for pros/ hobbyists its amazing mine is 3.3 years old now and im stil impressed by it even against my 60mp a7riv.
@@sjm.photos Thanks so much for replying, Yeah I live in the Lake District so love getting out and really developing a love for taking photographs.
Only on iPhone 11 pro at the moment so would love to take the leap to the next level.
Have looked at several bridge cameras but settled on the mk 4
Still a great cam in 2022!
it certainly is
Hiya, I had a play with it last weekend , I am pretty impressed with it. I think the combination with my optics(my binoculars and telescope) for birding, its works really well without too much bulk. Shall be buying one in the next couple of weeks. Thanks to you for sharing . ☺
Awesome John , it is a wonderful piece of kit im sure you will love it once it arrives.
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, speaking of memory cards, I asked Wex Photo & video, what the best SD card for the RX10iv that’s I need, as long it’s had fast read speeds, without spending too much on a SD card. I always uses Sandisk in cameras over the years , but he recommends Delkin Prime, saying just as good as Sandisk?. I was thinking of having two 64gb cards instead of having one large 128 or 256gb. I will be shooting raw photos and some 4k videos. I am just interesting what your opinion on this for this Sony RX10iv camera. Thanks.☺️👍🏻
@@John99BoyEngland to be fair they all seem to be good nowadays i was a sandisk user for many years sinse 2006 i think but now use the sony E sdcard not expensive but its what ever you can get price wise for your own so
@@sjm.photos Hi Stuart, speaking of the different with UHS-1 and UHS-2 on SD card, the latest is UHS-2 had a higher MB/s,(I think) so that don’t benefit for the RX 10iv. So I stick to the UHS-1 SD card, as it is cheaper, depending on the manufacturer. So hearing from you about this, it’s sound it doesn’t matter which one.
Ok, if one card write speed is 160MB/s and the other is 280MB/s, can the Sony RX 10iv get the benefit from the 280MB/s write speed, if not, I might as well go for 160MB/s. What the the point of having the best one if it’s doesn’t benefit for RX 10iv, as it’s been on market for over 5 years. Unless it’s the latest model which just came out on the market, if I am right?
What I am trying to say, for a example, buying the flagship smartphone IPhone 14pro or iPhone 14, what the point of buying the pro if you don’t need it. What I am trying to learn these days, buying the best isn’t everything, cos half the time I don’t use it, if you know what I mean.
Anyway i stop rabbiting on!😅
Thanks😉👍🏻
@@John99BoyEngland doesnt benefit the rx10iv but will once you slot it into a sd card reader for copying speeds
Great snaps, vivid colours and such detail. I have been using a dslr for some time, and really have the need for zoom lens. For the price of the Rx10iv, its a no brainer. I have made my mind up, many thanks great stuff👍
thankyou :) glad to of been able to help. its a brilliant camera :) just keep it down at iso 100 as much as possible and its a winner
Stuart loving your vids. Only just bought one.
Can you recommend a UV filter please.
I'm guessing main purpose of this is to protect the lens itself?
I'm all new to photography
Many thanks
thankyou for watching and the kind words. uv ive not used at all for a long time just because i leave the lens hood on all the time and if you have seen my video on how hard the glass is you will see they are tough. but if you want one id always buy a decent brand mostly HOYA and they are about £25-35 on ebay i believe. hope that helps.
@@sjm.photos thanks
@@eltwilliams1116 no probs
Thanks again, some great shots
thanks for watching :)
Very late to the party just got my RX10.. absolutely loving it so far. Just got a quick question, scanning through the menu it looks like phase detect is turned off, should I turn it on?
@@warwickwolf3999 turn it on its already on its just turns on the focus points so you can see what its doing deffo worth it
Thanks a lot for making this series of videos. Really truly enjoy watching your work specially with the RX 10iv. I have the RX 10 and so I can certainly understand and appreciate better not only the areas where this camera excels but also how you've been able to get most out of it. I so wish I could get this camera and so your channel is a big consolation until then. The amazing wide range usage of this camera makes me sort of wonder if those larger sensor cameras really are an over kill for the vast majority of users? Also this brings me to another very important point, considering the previous point actually holds true then I wonder if they'd come up with another model as it seems to threaten the sales of other cameras which the companies would like to sell more so as to ensure continued forced buying specially in terms of more glass? Nice work keep it up 👍🏽
thankyou for your kind words. i really think the next version will be a bit of a camera killer like you said and yes most people have bought cameras they really cant get the most out of they have just been told they need a dslr or full frame mirrorless etc. obviously i use full frame mirrorless for work but even the rx10iv has been utilised for shots i cant get with the a7riv. i think we will see a new full frame camera first before the new rx10 but i could be wrong. thankyou for watching
@@sjm.photos let's hope you aren't wrong and we are lucky enough to witness another one of this great gadget
Thanks for sharing variety of images, how does it perform with fast action indoor sports?
depends on the lighting situation plenty of light it will be fine but i cant really comment as have never done anything like that with it
Thank you for sharing your experiences in using RX10M4. These are very impressive shots with a bridge camera. I'm considering getting this camera for birding. Am wondering whether it is a wise choice, but looking at your pics convinced me that it might be..may I ask you whether you shot these pics in jpeg or RAW format? Thanks again for sharing this video.
thanks for the kind words. yes i shoot raw always just allows so much more adjustment if you need it. the only downside is you cannot zoom in and out whilst focusing or shooting like you will with a mirrorless or dslr. but it focuses so fast i just let off zoom in or out then push shutter button again i rarely miss with it. plus its always with me. thats its greatness its the fact no lens swapping and also f4 at 600mm unless you are going to spend £12000 for a massive 600mm f4 lens there is nothing else out there that can give use the shutter speeds we want sometimes. its sharp really sharp just a little noise reduction when shooting iso400 upwards and its good but im at iso 100 80% of the time and maybe upto iso 640 occasionally ,
@@sjm.photos Tq for your reply. Appreciate your detailed explanation. I will certainly seriously consider getting this camera, esp for the convenience of not needing to lug around heavy gear! Thanks again!
Beautiful images. What's your highest ISO that you feel comfortable with?
thankyou so much. well now i have topaz denoise ai 1600 iso is totally fine
14:03- Stunning photo!
thankyou
@@sjm.photos Considering the fact you are a pro photographer and appear to use the Sony RX10 iv quite a bit- what do you say about all of those categorizing it- "point and shoot"? That's considering even the A9 has a full "auto" setting.
@@johnmarks3179 the rx10iv is a professional level camera in an all in one body. it is farrrrrr from a point and shoot. thats my view anyway
@@sjm.photos Agreed. Would you consider making a video specific to the use of Photoshop/Lightroom/other, to bring an image made with RX10iv closer to the quality level of one made with bigger sensor? I'm assuming that RX10 image has already benefited from the best available camera settings used in RAW format.
@@johnmarks3179 90% of the time the photos i post i just tweak in raw thats it that smaller sensor helps sometimes
Brilliant Stuart as always, Shows just how good this Camera is in the right hands. As you have said yourself the price may be high but where else can you get a camera with a lense of this quality and focal length at this price
I dont mind paying money for something that is a fantastic tool. But like anything you have to use it daily weekly etc to learn it inside out
P1000/P950
Very informative as always. I have this camera and generally agree it's a decent camera but I find anything above about 400 ISO is very noisy and therefore not pleasing to the eye. I try to do as little post production as possible so I have big decisions to make about keeping or binning the resulting shot. So anything needing a high shutter speed in anything other than good light is often not worth trying.
Brian Chandler if shooting upto iso 800 a 20% noise reduction sorts it out well
@@sjm.photos thanks Stuart I will give that a try
@@brianchandler1365 I know you mentioned not liking to post process much, but I tried Dxo photo lab 4 and it really helps with noise reduction for this camera
I love my RX10 IV and have taken loads of pictures with it but only one video. I just can't seem to get my head around video recordings. Your slow motion videos are awesome and I'm sure not that technical, but every time I pick the camera up to try I end up just taking still images.
its as easy as making sure you have the focus poit for what you need. i mostly leave the camera just in manual for stills then just push the movie button for video. and adjust the settings as i need. mostly 100fps 1080p hd and sometimes 4k and the hfr modes. next video will explain a little more for you
I hate your video, because now i'm wanting this camera even more. 🤩🤪
But first i have to sell my Nikongear. I ♥️ the little robin. And the other pictures too. You got a new subscriber. A dutch girl in Germany.
Thankyou :)
Great video James which I've used as a reference for my own RX10iv. I purchased it a couple of weeks ago but I can't get anywhere near the image quality that your camera is producing. I thought I may have been asking a little too much from it but seeing the results of an identical model, I think mine may have an issue.
can you explain what you are thinking ? and what settings you are using. remember i use full manual , manual iso and manual fstop and manual shutter speed. how do you use yours? sadly there are a few out there that might be faulty.
@@sjm.photos I've tried shooting in all the settings. I even set it up following you deep menu set up guide. Raw and jpeg too. The images look ok on the display but when zooming in there is no detail at all. It's akin to zooming in on a photo taken with a phone if that makes sense.
@@marcuscarrozzo632 if you go to my website www.sjm.photos and contact me via that and email me a couple of photos so i can see.
Hi
I been out texting camera earlier and I put iso to100 but it was way dark. Put it to auto and it was viewable.
Finally found the button to alter the shutter speed ✅
yep it will be you need to balance shutter speed and aperture to give the right exposure
where is Sony Rx10 V my wish is It should come With an APSC sensor and at least 400mm zoom range and 10bit video internal recordings and video length should be unlimited
And and and awesome video
can you do a vidieo on settings please. watched your videos and can't believe the quality. I need this quality. love the video's amazing pic's thanks.
here is the set up video ua-cam.com/video/yhn_RUK-cPU/v-deo.html
I dont know how you dont have more subscribers Stuart. Pictures are awesome man. Thd best ive seen bar non with this camera. Work your Robin pic. How close where you? Or in general what sort of distance ard you to these small birds?
Thankyoy means a lot. Robin photo i was slowly moving closer i was about 2 metres away ish maybe slightly more
@@sjm.photos wow that's close for sure!
@@agrs1974 robins are pretty tame luckily
Nice phot's and movies did I've seen made by the Sony.
I like the camera and quality.
Can you also foto stacking with this camera?
I'm interested how close (macro) is possible.
I want to make movies from water insects up close.
Can you give me info about that please?
Maybe an other Sony for that kind of work?
Greetings from the Netherlands.
thanks for watching yes you can stack images but in a progam later ie photoshop and also sony imaging edge program and others. you dont have macro as such but it will focus very close at 24mm and at 92cm at 600mm so very good for butterflies etc
Andandandandand. Good info
it is a great camera..
oh yes :)
As always, I love your shots! Do you happen to use back button focus?
Hi Allen. Thankyou. And no ive never used it
Do u h a moon video at 600mm by rx10iv
i will film some when the moon is up next and clear skies
Nice,witch memory card did u use
i now use the SONY E v60 sd cards uhs2 not that the camera can support the full speed it works well and faster transfer off the sd card later. 128gb card is about £64 i use them in my a7riv aswell.
@@sjm.photos thnx for the info
@@pietersmichael1113 no probs
Hi, I need to configure again my Sony RX10IV, I don’t see the clarity now, can you helpme
how do you mean clarity?
It’s an amazing all in one camera. However I wonder if thou dost protest too much. Are you trying to convince your viewers or yourself that you made the right choice ? It will be interesting to see what the model V brings to solve the shortcomings of the RX 10 IV. Don’t get me wrong. It’s a nice camera. My research tells me that the Sony A6400/A6600 or A7iii would be a better choice for me.
im not trying to convince anyone its just my thoughts and people make up their minds. but i owned an a6300 for a while and the rx10iv concistantly produced better images. its also all about if you want to lug around lenses and a bigger bag etc.
Please share portrait with bokeh shots.
next part :) come tonight
Do you have a website? I want se your photos! Thanks!
info in about on my youtube. instagram is @sjm.photos website www.sjm.photos
I love my Sony RX10 IV. I mainly use it for plane spotting and it really is a beast. I had it with me on holiday this summer, and it took some outstanding photos and videos. I upload some of my photos on Instagram (Danishaviation_official) 😊
Martin Godske awesome i will give you a follow now mine is sjm.photos
Yoo i just looked at your instagram and holy crap those are some fantastic photographs!!!!
@@azzamfs Thanks a lot, glad you like them 😁
The opening picture in this video (same as the pic at 9:05) is in another video by you claimed to be taken with a A7r3??
Check ua-cam.com/video/cumPSYzmHuM/v-deo.html at 2:43
oh yer thats a mistake by me there then the original day we used the rx10iv, a7r3 and a9 so i must have muddled up some of the images my bad