Tom Brady Says More QBs Need To Sit Behind Vets, Jordan Love A Great Example | Pat McAfee Reacts
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Aaron sat behind Favre and Love sat behind Aaron. Packers have been blessed at the QB position for 32 straight years and counting.
Agreed. They definitely have a system and have no problems sticking to what they know. It’s worked out so far, why not?!
And only 2 super bowls 🤦🏽♂️ 😂
And only 2 superbowls. They don’t build around their QB’s.
@@Frank-mt2hf which is a lot more than most others, Brady and Mahomes are making people forget how hard it is to win a ship.
@@Frank-mt2hfname a franchise that has won more than 2 bowls in those years than the patriots and chiefs buccaneers rams and broncos
Andrew Luck was the perfect franchise guy. It wasn’t the learning curve that screwed him, it was the Colts not protecting him in the pocket.
We all got robbed of watching one of the most fun precise and elite qbs in all of football history. Dude would’ve been at least top 10 all time if he played a full career and didn’t have a franchise treat him like he was a crash test dummy
He quit
@@TheTaekwon3casual take
Yea colts had a great line by the time he retired
Agreed, I’m a Texans fan and I remember feeling bad at how many hits the guy took. Dude had swiss cheese for an O-line, and rehabbed and rehabbed until he no longer had any joy for the game. Irsay literally broke the guys will to play while everyone with a brain was saying solidify the O line
Nobody ever gives Rodgers the credit he deserves for bringing Tom Clements out of retirement. Look at Loves throwing motion and footwork. Clements is big in developing Love and is still in GB. A big "youre welcome" from Aaron.
Aaron is such a solid dude. I hate that they made him a villain
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Tom Clements is the GOAT
@@usmcmikeco0651 who's "they"?
In the clips they showed of Love it reminded me of Roger's when he was releasing the ball. Nice, compact, and quick. It amazes me seeing how they throw so far with such a small wind up.
I think people forget even Tom followed Drew Bledsoe.
I think people are forgetting the animosity that was between them? Or Brady and Garoppolo? Or between Favre and Rodgers, or Rodgers and Love. Roethlisberger and Rudolph. Starting QBs hate backup QBs with potential. The best backup QB in the starting QBs mind is someone who isn't all that good and just there to be their friend. They can become friends after the fact, like with Bledsoe and Brady and Favre and Rodgers, but during it the rook is trying to take the job of the vet and the vet is doing everything in their power to make sure the rook knows jack. Peyton Manning goes down and a "superbowl contending" team wins 2 games.
@@theblindcaboose There wasn't animosity between Rodgers and Love, not all situations are the same
@@theblindcaboose you could just say "hey i was a backup QB in high school and those kids were really mean to me and it made me sad" and save us all the time of reading that.
@@jahvedcoleYa him and Rodgers still text after every game
@@SmickyDa plus comment
Pat sat behind Alex Smith and I absolutely think it helped him develop.
Yep only started the last game when every thing was decided
Pat would've been a bigger Dak prescott had he not sat behind Alex Smith and learned from Andy Reid
@@ishyameru6232🤡 take
@@ishyameru6232Yeah some rookies are just great and have enough talent to start right away like Mahomes/Stroud/Watson/Dak/Herbert/Burrow etc but MOST rookies need to sit and learn first behind a good vet first😂
@@juliannoble6 Mahomes himself said he needed to sit
I agree. No reason to ruin a young star’s headspace by forcing them to lead an entire squad Day 1. A rookie QB has never won the SB and it’s no wonder as to why
that´s the problem with Bryce Young. He was drafted into a dumbster fire and had all those huge expectations. they traded everything away to get him and it´s no wonder he performed so bad.
Somehow dumbster fire is the wrong word but the right word@@felixwoltinger1407
@@felixwoltinger1407
He can’t do anything well. Put Bryce in Houston and you’d be saying the same thing.
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Some teams can't afford that because they don't have a good veteran presence. It also has to do with getting the QB weapons
I sat behind a great QB in highschool and all it got me was a fat girlfriend and a job at McDonald's
I wish I had a girlfriend
Big women need love too 🤷
I hate you🤣🤣🤣
Lmao damn
@qaxcgyujm big women need to hit the gym
Carson Palmer. #1 overall pick sat his entire rookie season
Nowadays the 1 picks are literally superstars. All the talk, plus the money aspect. Number 1 pick seems like they have to be an immediate ROI..
@@zacharyhausman5436 well the rookie cap took care of the top money situation it used to have with it
@@houseofchinn6112 right..right. Isn’t it crazy though, the expectation and publicity behind the #1 pick these days. It still blows me away these guys are “kids”!
Even Mahomes sat for every game except the last game of his rookie season.
palmers a bum
Justin Herbert is an absolute baller, however, I always wished the Chargers kept Phillip Rivers one more year to have J Herbo learn from him rather than Tyron Taylor and learn from what our division rivals did. Phillip was a wizard at pre snap reads
Once herbert steps up his presnap reads his game will go to the next level
Unless you're CJ Stroud
I’d argue Kyler too. The problem is that many teams don’t even have a QB good enough to mentor a rookie haha
There are exceptions to every rule, and that boy CJ is special, I agree with Brady In that MOST young QB could use a good year behind a vet to show em the ropes
He is good but sitting a year or two wouldn't hurt
Jordan was a known project out of college. Just watching shroud against Georgia you could see his potential readiness going straight to a starter in the NFL. There are exceptions to every player. Just go look at Loves first start vs Chiefs during COVID and his one last year where they were giving him similar looks it was night and day.
Watch year 2 and 3......Vince Young was a MVP finalist...early in his career
Even Lamar had Flacco
Alex Smith and Reggie Bush playing high school ball together must have been wild to watcj ❤
Damn that’s crazy I didn’t know they played ball together in highschool they probably went undefeated if they didn’t I wanna know who was on the other team that shut those 2 down
@@jeremywillis "Alex Smith led his team to a record of 25-1, including two San Diego CIF section championships" Somewhere out there one former high school team has the ultimate bragging rights.
Tom Brady's post-career commentary is quite insightful into the realities for QBs.
This is why I'm glad the falcons did what they did
They deserve an apology from everybody that hated on their pick for Penix
@@Noah_Tindell apologize to the falcons?, they’ll just pull another 28-3 joke out their ass
@@Noah_TindellJordan was a project Penix many saw as the most NFL ready in the entire draft plus he's 24, Jordan was 21 when he was drafted.. a 1st round QB having their first start at age 26/27 has only happened 2 other times so this will be unprecedented.
@@qaxcgyujm Where's the bad part in that? They're both rookies at the end of the day
@@Noah_Tindellthe bad part is Penix isn't a project and you have the pieces for him to succeed in his first year on offense right now. Love had huge mechanical issues. He could barely hit the throwing nets accurately his rookie year and Rodgers had issues with his release his rookie year out of cal that they spent an entire year changing. Penix doesn't have release or accuracy problems most had him the most NFL ready of any of the QBs. Due to Penix age if you sit him the time he's supposed to start most QBs have started multiple years and are in their prime instead the Falcons will be evaluating if Penix can still play or not pushing 30. Jordan and Aaron both were 24 when they were starters in the NFL. Packers didn't sign a QB then draft his replacement 2 months later this isn't the same scenario as Rodgers and Love or Favre and Rodgers. I wouldn't be surprised if the Falcons fanbase and media turns on Cousins before their timeline on Penix even ends despite Cousins cap issues. That never was gonna happen in Green Bay since they were legends of the franchise so Love and Rodgers backing them up didn't become much of a distraction until years down the road when Rodgers and Favre started acting crazy in the off-season.
More importantly both of them had Tom Clements
Clements is so underrated
Casuals have no idea who you are talking about
Tom is QB coach during those 2 transtions in GB
They talk about great Irish QB's but if my memory is correct Clements led Notre Dame to a national championship and an undefeated season in the early 1970's
all of a sudden the Falcons taking Penix makes damn sense when the whole world, including me, laughed
In a few years, it'll be interesting to see how Penix stacks up against all the other QBs in his class that have to start day 1.
Penix will most likely be 27 years old when he gets his first start lmao it would’ve been ideal to see him play for a team that needs a qb like the Vikings or raiders but the falcons have now ended his career
Too bad Zach Wilson can no longer do that
Wilson was never an elite level QB, drafted waaaaaaay too high.
80% of pats shows are just reciting stuff from a previous show for the tenth time. Love the show and will always watch, just hope to see more growth this football season.
Nobody is gonna comment on Connor saying FitzMagic started in front of Josh Allen? I had to triple watch that to make sure I wasn't crazy
Actually week 1 2018 the traveled to Baltimore where Nathan Peterman was the starter, Josh Allen came I. The second half of that game. Fitz was on Tampa in 2018.
It depends on the prospect. Younger, raw ones who have physical upside, I agree with. Like if AR was sat his rookie yr, I'd understand that. But guys who are 24, 5th yr seniors who are refined, like Burrow, I think are better off just playing. Ride wave of momentum from college into their prime.
Packers have the best qb coach in tom clement. He developed rodgers
Depends on your definition of success. There is a chance the Packers cost themselves a Super Bowl trading up to take Love as they were on the cusp and could have had a difference maker with that draft pick. Where the Packers were at 30 they could have had Higgins, Pittman at receiver or Taylor, Swift at running back.
Or even if you traded up for Love then they could have traded up for Jefferson. That would have been a difference maker. But they started worrying about the future. Defense has been terrible since they won the Super Bowl so a defensive guy would have been helpful
Packers are a franchise that's never tried to go all in. They would rather be a well oiled machine. They've always been one of the youngest teams in the league since Ted Thompson was GM and now Brian Gutekunst who was a student of Ted is doing the same thing. They'd rather not risk losing a long term competitive product on the field.
Taylor Swift at running back would bring ratings
I’m sure the Packers trading up to take Love didn’t alter the same path they had been on for like a DECADE before that (not even making it to a Super Bowl)
There’s a lot of teams that go all in and never get it done. I for one enjoy being in the mix every year. I’m pleased with the decision
I think the main issue with drafting a rookie when you have a vet is how long the vet is under contract. Penix is behind Cousins for 4 years, love was behind Rodgers for 3 years. A year or 2 isn't anything crazy but 3-4 is when people question it.
penix won't be behind cousins for 4 years look at the contract
Penix will be sitting 2 years max. Dont be surprised if he only sits a year then they start penix and trade cousins to wherever he wants to go.
@@1boiboy206 a four year contract, so max of 4 years
@@Electric_Croc who's cousins gonna rob next?
@@A_Condre7734technically the cap hit is only bad for 2 years but where the issue lies is if Cousins struggling fans will turn on him quick cause he isn't worshiped and established with the fans like how Rodgers and Favre were in Green Bay. I wouldn't be surprised if media and fan pressure gets bad for the Falcons during this situation.
Even Brady sat behind Bledsoe for over a year.
dude the amount of times i’ve heard the “if andrew luck got to sit behind peyton manning” take, listening to Pat for 3 years now is insane. he either doesn’t realize how much he says it because of the vitamins or he just talks too much for a living that he kinda has no choice but to repeat himself 😂
I’ve said this for years about the QB position.
Maye will sit behind Brisset and become a legend
This show is awesome
Andrew luck said hold my beer
McAfee show was the biggest critic of drafting Love which I thought was fair but the Packers had a plan. Gute believed in Lafluer, which you don’t see in so many NFL franchises in 2024.
Sooo many people dont understand that Pack traded up to pick Jefferson. MN knew it, and traded with SF a pick before us to get him.
It's amazing to me that this even needs to be said. It's clearly the formula for success. Its very very obvious
I like the approach of Favre to Rodgers as far as not forcing teaching but instead letting Rodgers decide if he wants to learn to be a great QB. Thats the first indicator if someone wants to be great or not. I also noticed comments about coaching and for sure Tom Clements was a huge influence on Rodgers, and now Love. However, I feel Mike Holmgren also deserves a huge amount of credit for his instruction to Favre and the trickledown effect that's had in GB. Here's to at least 12 more years of owning the bears.
Love had Rodgers
Lamar had Flacco
Brady had Bledsoe
Dak had Romo
Mahomes had smith
Tua had Fitzmagic
Michael Penix to the MOON!
I feel like this goes without saying. Having a rookie sir for a year or two just makes sense compared to throwing him in his rookie year. I feel like most people would agree that that’s the ideal situation for a QB to walk into. But not all franchises are fortunate enough to be in that situation
Lions fan here. Love is the real deal and I never expected him to be. Congrats Pack, you have another good one.
I hope JJ sits entire year honestly let him learn he’s young
FYI Tom Clement’s has been a qb coach since 1992 he also is a cfl hall fame he was inducted in 19994 he was the qb coach for notra dame for 4 years starting in 1992 he coach Cordell Stewart in Pittsburgh also drew with the bills also he has been with the packers since 2006. He holds a stander that can’t be matched.
it's very beneficial for anyone in any job to watch someone who knows what they are doing, do the job, without any pressure on yourself, being able to soak it all in, and then later, once you grasp it more, then you start dipping in.
Steve Young - the OG backup to Joe Montana
Jordan Love had Aaron Rodgers to watch and Aaron Rodgers had Brett Favre to watch!
Mahomes was behind smith for a year. Mentorship is for sure under rated.
I think the most awkward thing about Penix in ATL is that he’s already 24. It’s one thing to sit behind a vet at 21 like Love did, he got to start at 24. If penix sits for a few years he’ll be pushing thirty before he takes a starting snap.
I forgot Mahomes sat behind Alex Smith in his rookie year
I think that some of this is correct but some of it's also incorrect. Because there's the example of Jimmy G, he sat behind. What is statistically the greatest quarterback in nfl history, Jimmy G for crying out loud, got benched by the Raiders.
Mahomes sat behind smith for a year. If your gonna use an example use that one
I’ve said this for years. The jets are finally having Travis play behind two vets and hopefully it works
Count on the Bears to continue ignoring this advice.
This is why bears sending fields off for a 6th vs letting Williams learn behind him for one year will be the worst decision in a history of bad bears decisions.
He jus don't want no one to touch his records lol , like they're already almost impossible to surpass
I've been out of the loop. does Pat still have Aaron on his show?
He's right. It works best with having the rookie for long term success
Well Why everyone so upset about ATL drafting A Qb to sit under a veteran
That rookie is like 25 years old
Just because they sit for 4 years doesn't make them ready. The last play of the season for love showed he still isn't ready.
This is why Cj Stroud is so special tho a true rookie who took over a 3 win team and balled
This is why I was hoping as a Michigan fan that JJ went to somewhere to be a backup like new Orleans to Derek Carr or something. Having a star quarterback to study off of is immensely useful.
Who did Marino learn from?
Nobody and the def still sucked
With this topic how did they not even mention the Vikings??
Im very excited for JJ Mccarthy he has the best situation of these young QBs has some really smart offensive Coaches who dont want to force JJ but help him learn we have two former QBs who are gonna help JJ in Kevin O'Connell and Josh McCown.
Philip rivers behind drew brees
but yeah make fun of the falcons for trying to do this exact ting lol
Tom Brady should just say, “you aren’t going to be me”
The problem is the value is upside down. The young QB is generally making less than the vet, but nobody wants to pay a vet a lot of money while the rookie sits on the bench unless you're Atlanta.
HOW does Pat not realize that Andrew Luck had NO O-line to protect him?? .. Also it was 💯 Jim’s fault
Did PMS purposely pick 3 clips where Love looked like Rodgers moving and throwing?
Unless you’re Brock Purdy
BCB ❤
He had 4 years and a big chip on his shoulder... and got to watch from the side line 2 QBs in front of him.
He did get to watch most of the season and took over one of the the best teams in the NFL.
49ers are a great regular season team but definitely not a top team altogether, and no one wants to admit it but the coaching is the issue, they have amazing players with a great offensive scheming coach, but it's about alot more than just scheming, they never seem to be prepared for any games@@trysephiroth007
@@NoToBigBro100%, and no pressure of being #1 pick (or #3, like Trey)
Herbert sat behind Taylor, huge benefits
but only a few games
Farve started immediately, caught his first pass, GOAT
Farve did not start immediately. He was 1 year in Atlanta and backup until Don Majkowski got hurt in the 2nd game.
Two things:
1. We don’t know yet what kind of head coach Jerod Mayo will become, but the fact is, he’s a walk, don’t run kind of leader, and that’s what Drake Maye needs going into his rookie season.
2. As we all know, the big knock on Maye is his footwork, and I don’t think he starts until Mayo is happy with it, even if the team goes 0-17. I would hope Brisset doesn’t suck enough that we go winless with him starting, but if that’s what it takes to get Maye’s feet to an NFL level, so be it. It just means we get to draft a stud at receiver in 2025.
Well Tom, Garoppolo sat behind the greatest qb of all time and look where he is now 💀 It depends on the quarterback, like Jordan Love, it was a great situation for him, then theres quarterbacks like Cj Stroud that can come out hot from college
Jimmy G was great for a minute there.
Here we go atlanta let's get it!!!
Conner what the hell u talking about man, fitz never played with josh allen, josh started week 2 of his rookie year😂
They just need to sit to learn and adapt to the NFL I've been saying this for decade's now 95% of these guys aren't ready like that......franchises need more patience coaches need more patience and willingness to adapt and work with a qbs strengths instead of forcing their way on them work with your qb not against him adjust your playbook to them not the other way around but too much ego involved for that to ever be a reality so you get these qbs who are out the league in 2 and a half seasons
That’s the problem with these terrible organizations! They are too impatient to start a rookie QB out of desperation for any sort of success but you can’t do that without a cast around them or a veteran QB! That’s why I rather start a veteran than a rookie
I think teams are starting to catch on to the GB way… One big difference, about Atlanta’s situation, Pennix is 24 years old. So, if he sits for a couple years, man….
Then why is everyone STILL bullying and hating on the Falcons' Penix selection?
Even teams who don't have a star quarterback don't truly develop a second quarterback and I never understood why. Give them some time to learn a system and if the one guy isn't advancing maybe promote from within. Most times they sign these guys just to fill a roster spot in practice, but the Packers draft them and develop them in their system. I think that's why you see Packers backups having signature games or finding careers elsewhere.
So who did Purdy learn from Trey lance and Jimmy G? 😆
Purdy is blessed to have a great overall team surrounding him. Plus he has one of the best HC in the league. Throw Purdy on the Panthers. He would get destroyed.
@@ThaoLand Carolina Panthers super bowl bound book it.
Yup Jimmy G had been to a Super Bowl with basically the same roster
@@ThaoLand yep how good would bryce be in SF?
spencer rattler learning behind derrick carr then taking the job
hard to find franchise qb's
Lamar and Patrick sat their rookie years and they are probably the best 2 , burrow the other one and he had a over full college career so he just was older
Absolutely. I hate the whole “we gotta pay you $300 million dollars in 4/5 years so we need to find out if you’re ready NOW😰”
Unless you Josh Allen! Had him behind peterman 😂we shut that down so fast! Some qbs need to sit behind people and some you just gotta throw out there so they can learn
haven't you guys been clowning the falcons over the past month for setting this exact scenario up?
Exactly, the Falcons deserve an apology. All this just because Brady said it??
No Kirk isn't familiar with that system nor has he established any culture in Atlanta and Pennix is old so he shouldn't be sitting in the first place as the 8th pick 😂😂
@@ishyameru6232 He knows the system, lived in Atlanta and his wife and her family are from Atlanta and 24 isn't old when QB's are playing into their 40's. Everything you said is already debunked
@@Noah_Tindell when did Kevin O’connell get hired by Atlanta? What Kirk going to teach him shortcuts to the arena 😂
@@Noah_Tindellonly Brady played at a high level into his 40s.
I honestly don’t think people have ever seen Rodgers play in college. He was so awkward! The dude was like a robot, I’ve never seen anything like it. Rodger’s play style completely transformed over his time behind Favre. If Rodger’s started day 1 and tried to play with the his arm up by his ear marching with a wide stance in the pocket like he did in college he would have never got a second contract. His style in year 3 was night and day opposites from his college play. Love mimics Rodgers style too. There were times last season I forgot I was watching love because it looked so much like Rodgers. It’s not just mechanics and style it’s leadership, the knowledge of the playbook and NFL defenses. It’s how to lead, and also what not to do… when you start day 1 in a crappy organization you don’t have anyone to look to. There is drama everywhere. You don’t have time to fix anything so your bad habits become permanent. You don’t learn leadership from anyone so you wing it and may develop bad leadership qualities too. Most of these guys have 2-4 different offensive coordinator/ HCs in their first 4 years too so they never get comfortable. Having 3 years to learn 1 offense, how to perfect your craft physically, mentally, and habitually you have a huge leg up on your first start.
So you also the Atlanta move was bonehead but Brandy opens up his mouth and now you in agreement
No, no… I want to hear all the people who were outraged about Penix Jr to argue with Tom Brady.
Pat behind Alex.
Lamar behind Flacco.
Honestly, any job ever in life,
If someone have been doing a successful job for 10+ years?
It is an opportunity, to learn.
Penix gameplay is completely different from kirks. Itd be like taking lamar jackson to sit behind brady. Completely different playmaking abilities. Like if you think the dark horse if this rookie QB class is Bo Nix. I was hoping i could have gotten him in my dynasty league but didn't play out that way.
What if Atlanta did the smartest thing in the draft this year??? Cousins not a bad qb to learn from!!
I think the issue is that they picked the wrong rookie to do it for. If they’re gonna sit a guy, they should have done Mcarthy or Nix, not Penix who is 24 and not considered a “raw prospect”
@@rohanshah7559 That’s true. But if Penix comes in at 26 and was top ten in the league for the next eight years, that’s a damn good pick!!
As a Pats fan, I respect everything Brady says, but I want to see if the guy we just drafted is any good. I’d rather not wait another year while he sits on the bench
It's too late for this, but you should have stuck what you did with Brady. They drafted him, let him sit and he balled out after that. That drivel is what teams like the Bears do. They throw them into the fire and they bust.
@@joshbeezley4158 I’m not saying it’s the right thing to do. But it will be frustrating to watch a whole season go by without seeing if our new #3 draft pick QB is any good or not
@@pete6705you'd rather see them play when they aren't ready so they flame out then you call them a "bust" and draft someone else and also play them to early and they also become a bust and so on and so on just because your impatient ?
Like all the success qbs that have sit behind Brady?
Didn’t work out too great for Jimmy G
He's been too a Superbowl and is a millionaire. He's doing just fine.
@@dougvuillemot8670 yeah but is he a good QB? Most QBs in the NFL are millionaires and any QB would’ve gone to the SB with that 49ers team. They probably would’ve even won if Jimmy G played better
As a Bucs and Jameis Winston fan, this is why I was so bummed Jameis didn’t decide to take less to stay in Tampa and learn under Tom for those two years, instead of taking less to be a backup qb on the Aints…still rooting for him now that he’s in Cleveland now, but I wonder “what if”
Eh he’s in a better place now, the saints under Dennis Allen are not a franchise you wanna be on
No QB should start week 1 as a rookie. Even if you plan on them getting in, they should get 5 weeks off the bench minimum
But everybody’s giving Atlanta a hard time
They picked the wrong two guys to do it for
This will not change unless the labor contract and environment changes. Both player and team and incentivized to produce "right now".
the whole system is flawed because of the "win now" culture of the NFL. Coaches get fired much faster than they used so they feel pressured to play the young guys so they can show "potential" for what next season could look like if they just get another year.
I know Pittsburgh fan, Rudolph and Big Ben, Rudolph started to full fill his potential then they let him go.
Yea but other teams don’t have a aaron rodgers brett favre or Alex smith to sit behind them of a year to learn most rookie just get thrown out
But yet the falcons do it and everyone thinks it's worse decision ever 🥴
How many #1 draft pick QBs died in Cleveland because you had to play Pittsburgh, Cincinnati, and Baltimore 6 of your rookie season games lol