Most of people talking against our father submission doesn't even have a genuine relationship with God. This is one of the accurate teaching as where the souls of the just men are. Thanks so much Daddy for being a blessing to we those who want the truth.
2 Corinthians 5:8 is falsely being interpreted here. Verse 6 says when we are at HOME in this body on earth we are absent from the Lord. I thought the lord lived inside of us, why will Paul say we are absent from him when we are at home in this body? That is because the lord is physically in heaven and we are on earth. So in verse 8 Paul flips it, he says our hope then is, when we are absent from this body, we will be AT HOME with the lord. Where is the Lord? In Heaven. That is why other translations said to be absent from the body is to be AT HOME with the lord. It is not a permutation. I have already mentioned from scripture that elders were in heaven in Revelation 6.
"And as it is appointed...so.." In English when you use "And or But" to conjunct a sentence there will have to be a follow up. The follow up says because of this appointment, Jesus went and took the place for men. It did not say Men must die. That is not true. In fact, Paul says not all men will die (We shall not all sleep). He said it at least 2 different times and even if many believe that Enoch and Elijah will return, you cannot definitely prove it from scripture because Jesus said Elijah had already come back when he was referring to John the Baptist.
Acts 2:34 simply meant that when David gave that prophecy of the Lord saying unto his lord, he was not in heaven to see it. He was on earth and that utterance came by revelation. It does not refer in anyway to David not ascending with Jesus after his resurrection. There is ZERO, I mean ZILCH. No waiting place for the christian who died in christ. That is a false teaching. In the marriage supper of the lamb, the OT saints were already in heaven when the tribulation saints came in. When do you suppose those OT saints had come in? It could not have been during the tribulation or else John would not have inquired where they just came from suddenly. The chronicles of men of faith in Hebrews was a summary of the OT saints who are in heaven. IN HEAVEN. Period.
That is why it is dangerous to call people's names and bash them claiming it came by unction. This teaching from minutes 20- 23 or thereabouts is completely false. Completely. Let us analyze it. Verse 25 says "I foresaw the Lord". Foresaw proves this was prophetic. He was referring to something he saw by revelation. Verse 26 says David rejoiced because of what he saw. Verse 27 is about Jesus. David will never call himself thy HOLY ONE and Peter agreed because he said so in verse 31. OT prophets were known to speak as though they referred to themselves and in between they will switch and be talking about the Christ. See the encounter of the Ethiopian eunuch with Phillip as another example. So that is were the switch went back to David again (verse 28). Now in verse 29 Peter is saying "you lot are Jews and can tell that David is currently dead and buried so there is no way I could have heard him say these things except that he said them while he was alive". That is what he meant. Read verse 31 he says "David SEEING this BEFORE hand". Now when you get to verse 34, you cannot skip the fact that Peter was already saying David said these things before hand. That is what segues into verse 34. That David was not in heaven when he said those things. He was on earth (but he was a prophet) so he knew those things and said so. It never said David was not in heaven. That is false. There is an easy way to analyze it. If David was in some "lounge" when he made that statement who was there to hear him and tell us? And why will the Jews care about some random person's revelation about what they heard David say? The only reason they cared is that they knew the book of Psalms (110) that Peter was quoting and they finally understood what it meant.
Who are the cloud of witnesses that welcomed Jesus after his ascension? The bible says "everlasting doors were lifted" and the king of Glory was welcomed in. That is not hell, shaol, hades etc as the bible CAN NEVER refer to those places as having everlasting doors as hell will be cast into the lake of fire as its final abode. And Jesus was not welcomed into hell. He wrestled principalities and powers in hell and made a show of them openly. So he was not welcomed there. So the question is, the bible says Jesus was received by a cloud of witnesses. Who are those? If you say angels, prove from scripture where angels were regarded as witnesses. You will not find it. The witnesses were saints of old, arisen from the grave and went up to heaven the first time Jesus went there to present his blood (yes, he ascended 2 DIFFERENT TIMES). So by the next time Jesus was ascending into heaven whilst the apostles and disciples watched, that was when the clouds accepted him the bible says. The cloud of witnesses that is.
Jesus did not go to heaven because he died carrying SIN. The bible says he was made sin for the world. Where else will anyone go who represented sin? You quoted a verse in Hebrews and said "it is appointed unto men once to die...." NO. The verse says "and as it is appointed unto men once to die....". It was appointed unto men then Jesus fulfilled it so that men who believe in him will not carry their own burden themselves. I agree with you that visions will and should never supersede the word. But you are misapplying scriptures here sir. These teachings are false.
Revelation 6:9. False again, MOG, I am sorry. That was the 5th seal being opened so this was during the great tribulation. Anything being taught from this verse must bear that in perspective. Then he said that the souls of men there were in the underworld? Absolutely false. John said he watched the LAMB open those seals. Where was the LAMB during this revelation by John? The Lamb was in heaven and that is where the altar was. Reading from Chapter 5 it is clear that was in the throne in heaven. John says that is where he was watching the lamb, christ, open the seals. Sorry, I love and respect you but these teachings are FALSE. And you even said there is no scripture for people in heaven yet the elders are in heaven even in that verse you quoted. Who are the elders and how did they get there? When did they get there as well?
False, the gentle man asked you a good question and you kind of lost your cool because you could not answer his question just like you did not answer where Enoch and Elijah are. You skirted around the question. Truth is, you are a genuine man of God, but you were erroneous in this teaching.
Most of people talking against our father submission doesn't even have a genuine relationship with God. This is one of the accurate teaching as where the souls of the just men are. Thanks so much Daddy for being a blessing to we those who want the truth.
2 Corinthians 5:8 is falsely being interpreted here. Verse 6 says when we are at HOME in this body on earth we are absent from the Lord. I thought the lord lived inside of us, why will Paul say we are absent from him when we are at home in this body? That is because the lord is physically in heaven and we are on earth. So in verse 8 Paul flips it, he says our hope then is, when we are absent from this body, we will be AT HOME with the lord. Where is the Lord? In Heaven. That is why other translations said to be absent from the body is to be AT HOME with the lord. It is not a permutation. I have already mentioned from scripture that elders were in heaven in Revelation 6.
"And as it is appointed...so.." In English when you use "And or But" to conjunct a sentence there will have to be a follow up. The follow up says because of this appointment, Jesus went and took the place for men. It did not say Men must die. That is not true. In fact, Paul says not all men will die (We shall not all sleep). He said it at least 2 different times and even if many believe that Enoch and Elijah will return, you cannot definitely prove it from scripture because Jesus said Elijah had already come back when he was referring to John the Baptist.
Acts 2:34 simply meant that when David gave that prophecy of the Lord saying unto his lord, he was not in heaven to see it. He was on earth and that utterance came by revelation. It does not refer in anyway to David not ascending with Jesus after his resurrection. There is ZERO, I mean ZILCH. No waiting place for the christian who died in christ. That is a false teaching. In the marriage supper of the lamb, the OT saints were already in heaven when the tribulation saints came in. When do you suppose those OT saints had come in? It could not have been during the tribulation or else John would not have inquired where they just came from suddenly. The chronicles of men of faith in Hebrews was a summary of the OT saints who are in heaven. IN HEAVEN. Period.
Hi, can you provide scripture references?
That is why it is dangerous to call people's names and bash them claiming it came by unction. This teaching from minutes 20- 23 or thereabouts is completely false. Completely. Let us analyze it. Verse 25 says "I foresaw the Lord". Foresaw proves this was prophetic. He was referring to something he saw by revelation. Verse 26 says David rejoiced because of what he saw. Verse 27 is about Jesus. David will never call himself thy HOLY ONE and Peter agreed because he said so in verse 31. OT prophets were known to speak as though they referred to themselves and in between they will switch and be talking about the Christ. See the encounter of the Ethiopian eunuch with Phillip as another example. So that is were the switch went back to David again (verse 28). Now in verse 29 Peter is saying "you lot are Jews and can tell that David is currently dead and buried so there is no way I could have heard him say these things except that he said them while he was alive". That is what he meant. Read verse 31 he says "David SEEING this BEFORE hand". Now when you get to verse 34, you cannot skip the fact that Peter was already saying David said these things before hand. That is what segues into verse 34. That David was not in heaven when he said those things. He was on earth (but he was a prophet) so he knew those things and said so. It never said David was not in heaven. That is false. There is an easy way to analyze it. If David was in some "lounge" when he made that statement who was there to hear him and tell us? And why will the Jews care about some random person's revelation about what they heard David say? The only reason they cared is that they knew the book of Psalms (110) that Peter was quoting and they finally understood what it meant.
Who are the cloud of witnesses that welcomed Jesus after his ascension? The bible says "everlasting doors were lifted" and the king of Glory was welcomed in. That is not hell, shaol, hades etc as the bible CAN NEVER refer to those places as having everlasting doors as hell will be cast into the lake of fire as its final abode. And Jesus was not welcomed into hell. He wrestled principalities and powers in hell and made a show of them openly. So he was not welcomed there. So the question is, the bible says Jesus was received by a cloud of witnesses. Who are those? If you say angels, prove from scripture where angels were regarded as witnesses. You will not find it. The witnesses were saints of old, arisen from the grave and went up to heaven the first time Jesus went there to present his blood (yes, he ascended 2 DIFFERENT TIMES). So by the next time Jesus was ascending into heaven whilst the apostles and disciples watched, that was when the clouds accepted him the bible says. The cloud of witnesses that is.
Jesus did not go to heaven because he died carrying SIN. The bible says he was made sin for the world. Where else will anyone go who represented sin? You quoted a verse in Hebrews and said "it is appointed unto men once to die...." NO. The verse says "and as it is appointed unto men once to die....". It was appointed unto men then Jesus fulfilled it so that men who believe in him will not carry their own burden themselves. I agree with you that visions will and should never supersede the word. But you are misapplying scriptures here sir. These teachings are false.
Revelation 6:9. False again, MOG, I am sorry. That was the 5th seal being opened so this was during the great tribulation. Anything being taught from this verse must bear that in perspective. Then he said that the souls of men there were in the underworld? Absolutely false. John said he watched the LAMB open those seals. Where was the LAMB during this revelation by John? The Lamb was in heaven and that is where the altar was. Reading from Chapter 5 it is clear that was in the throne in heaven. John says that is where he was watching the lamb, christ, open the seals. Sorry, I love and respect you but these teachings are FALSE. And you even said there is no scripture for people in heaven yet the elders are in heaven even in that verse you quoted. Who are the elders and how did they get there? When did they get there as well?
False, the gentle man asked you a good question and you kind of lost your cool because you could not answer his question just like you did not answer where Enoch and Elijah are. You skirted around the question. Truth is, you are a genuine man of God, but you were erroneous in this teaching.