Thank you, Brendan, for saying all the things out loud. Your moral clarity is a gift not just to Israel, not just to the Jews, but to humanity. Thanks, Noam, for this conversation! 🙏🙏
Brilliant guy! Brendan you’re moral, intelligent and give us hope. As a Jewess , you and Douglas have uplifted my spirits in these dark days. A missile landed next to my house this year.
Thank you for this conversation. I really appreciate O'Neill's courage and clarity. Apropos Crisis of Civs, it would be nice to see you challenging Dan Schueftan on the matter.
Did Noam see some serious footage beyond the very mild 47 mins film that IDF exposed in a limited way? that's Disney movie level compared to the overall footage evidence. It's not "just like what you see in films" as Noam claims. The full footage contains stuff that has never yet (and I believe will never be) seen in the most horrible horror films.
Can’t believe how Noam trivializes the Nakba. Absolutely no empathy for Palestinians. If the same thing happened to any other group of people he would be sickened at someone trying to describe it so callously. People being violently (in many cases murderously) forced from their home because of who they are is heart sinkingly tragic.
1:10 - Noam I think you just need to compare it to other urban combats, that's the best argument. Plus I think one of the most shocking things about this conflict (and no one talks about it) is that, unlike so many other conflicts, is that no one in the entire world allowed the civilians to leave Gaza. They essentially forced israel to contain them and deal with it - which is another one of those double, tripple standards. Remember when millions of Ukrainans fled Ukraine when the war started? or Syrians? Why didn't anyone take the Gazan's in??? I'm sure a lot of them would want to leave
To Noam: there is an estimated 50K registered terrorists in Gaza in the variety of recognized terror groups in Gaza, e.g. Hamas, PIJ, to mention the largest ones. There is no excess of deaths going on by Israel! If anything it's the unprecedented smallest toll ever in history. Unfortunately, the self-blaming, self-hating, apologetic and baseless rhetoric of Noam is misleading and unhealthy, and frankly really difficult to listen to.
"there had to be a different way"? huh? aside from the fact that the casualty figure includes combines combatants & non-combatants, there was no way to predict that hamas wouldn't, at some point, surrender & release the hostages, and, thereby, end hostilities, with casualties limited to 5k, 10k or 20k.
the guest is amazing but Noam keeps saying BASELESS NONSENSE. Whats an example of something that Israel claimed happened, but turned out to not really happen??Maybe Noam just relies on rumors rather than on official verified sources of information??
14:20 - why does this affect not only Israel but western civilization? Because the response to Oct 7th has shown how deeply people in "the West" need and crave identity, so much so that they are willing make Jihadist propaganda a big part of it. But why? I see people protesting and as an Israeli I ask myself, why are they not being more critical? can they not see they are spewing male-honor and chauvinistic rhetoric, never mind AS? do they not care they are ignorant? One explanation to this willful ignorance is that the conflict is very complicated and its history at least a century old, so that's a barrier for some. And of course, ignorance is not missing on the pro-Israel side, but it's far less predominant imho. To me these were not a sufficient answer to explain the scale of this cognitive dissonance, so I asked myself what my psychologist taught me many years ago - she suggested I ask what is the psychological profit (of staying ignorant)? And then it occurred to me, it's an identity ritual. People form their identity by saying and believing "Israel is evil" and by going to Jihadist rallies, an identity pilgrimage of sort, identity is their profit! Much has been written about the crisis of meaning and identity in the west, from Nietzsche and Kirkegaard to Douglas Murray, and it occurs to me these new rituals are how the new religion worships. That woke-ism or some elements of progressivism are a form of new religion is also, of course, nothing new, but seeing the protests and rhetoric in this light really made a lot of sense to me, religions have rituals and myths and here a new rituals and mythology are being created in front of our eyes. For one, it explains the cognitive dissonance very well, people stay ignorant because they fear (or know deep down) that if they let critical thinking in the ritual will no longer work, they will not get the identity high they're used to. So, they let in only the information they want, and I believe this is largely unconscious. So, to answer the question (that I was not asked): It's important to western civilization because the response to Oct 7th shows that people crave and want identity and the West's failure to provide rituals and mythology to fulfill this need is causing people to desperately look for it elsewhere, anywhere, even in dangerous suicidal places like Jihadist propaganda.
How do you square the absolute blatant violations of the 4th Geneva Convention for many years that Israel as a signatory and ratifier party must abide by, and various other parts of customary international law with this is any way being about "western civilization" and not Israel?
@@FlyingVolvo By people believing what they want to - a-priory - and thus not thinking critically. Let's take undisputed numbers: 45K dead in Gaza - this by Hamas' own estimate 16K of these are combatants according to US estimate (Israel estimate 20K) that's 3 civilians to every 1 combatant - in one of the most densely populated areas of the world and with terrorists who actively and by own admission hide behind and under civilians. Even if we say US estimate is wrong, we can assume only 10K are Hamas combatants just to make a worse-case scenario for ourselves to remove any doubt, that's 4.5 to 1 Now of course, every civilian death is a tragedy, in particular of children, but can you see that something doesn't add up? Even by Hamas own numbers and taking worst case estimates. A more honest calculation not accepting Hamas for their word and factoring in a few thousand dead from natural causes over the course over a year - would bring us closer to 2:1 - but it's good to take the worst case and show how even that is not consistent with Israel targeting civilians. And we can observe the civilian deaths in this conflict are actually remarkably low - in fact, considering the location and conditions in which this war takes place, it indicates the exact opposite. So, we have all these so-called reports on one side - which are opinions or analysis of people saying Israel is doing X and Y (infringing on Geneva conventions, targeting civilians, genocide, etc) - but the numbers contradict this, and numbers are from Hamas itself. The cognitive dissonance is not wanting to see this and ask the questions that will come after - because it will ruin the nice feeling of being a moral person every time someone rages about Israel (aka the identify ritual). Very similar to how most people don't like to hear that separating trash into color coded trash bin doesn't really help save the environment.
@@AvnerSenderowicz The 4th Geneva Convention has nothing to do with numbers of X amount of people having been killed. It's got far more to do with for example the legal obligations that Israel has as a occupying power like not allowing population transfers or annexation of territory.
@@FlyingVolvo Yes, my mistake, I am sorry. The short answer is that this a legitimate criticism of Israel. Of course, there are answers to this criticism - like the fact that the conventions envision that wars end, however the war in this region are never ending, creating a situation where Israel cannot give the disputed areas to Palestinian state, not for lack of trying mind you, nor can it completely take over and annex 2m, largely hostile, Palestinians. This would be national suicide. But yeah, things are complicated, and Israel is certainly not without faults, that's totally valid criticism - assuming this is what you mean. But if someone goes on to suggest this makes it OK to commit terror against Israel and Israeli civilians - that would be the cognitive dissonance I was talking about.
On the Nakba according to Benny Morris 80,000 Palestinians were actually forced out of their homes by force.Another 600,000 left partly listening to radio broadcasts encouraging them to seek safety not imagining they would lose but mainly just to get out of the way of the fighting.An equal number of Jews were removed after being looted of property and citizenship (and violence) from Arab countries including places like Baghdad in Iraq which was 25% Jewish before Israel's founding
equivalent dishonesty? not even close. skepticism is important. but, one doesn't have to forget a distinction between deception (famine, starvation, genocide, etc) as s.o.p. & a presentation that attempts to adhere to the facts (with sometimes damaging pauses as the facts are determined).
I don't need his opinion after I got acquainted with Kamala's company. She wasn't smart, she wasn't honest, she didn't look like she suited for to become a President. Just like Trump is not suitable for this position. I'm sorry...
There were about 400 women were killed on October 7. IDF and the israeli police have yet to put a name on a rape victim. How many women were raped on October 7? Give me an estimate.
I’m sorry, I love the program, and I Probably will agree on his stand on Jihad and Israel, but the amount of garbage coming if his mouth about Biden and Kamala… don’t do that if you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s all speculation that coming from his own biases… if that the way he is on the show, how can we trust his book?
Hello from across the pond in Ireland. Brenda O'Neil is clown and a shyster. Boone takes him seriously. Ireland has had a huge surge in British immigrants because Britain is doing so badly since Brexit. They will never admit that a hard Brexit destroyed their country.
I’m so tired of the hyperbole, and you should have called him out on some of the absurdities. Anyone who spends any time on YT or Twitter can “show” him 1000s of Trump voters claiming Js deserve everything done to them on 10:07, and more.
Thank you, Brendan, for saying all the things out loud. Your moral clarity is a gift not just to Israel, not just to the Jews, but to humanity. Thanks, Noam, for this conversation! 🙏🙏
Bravo! Thank you all for this brilliant conversation, balanced and intelligent.
Brilliant guy! Brendan you’re moral, intelligent and give us hope. As a Jewess , you and Douglas have uplifted my spirits in these dark days. A missile landed next to my house this year.
Thank you for having Brendan O'Neil on the show. Appreciated the interview.
Thank you for this conversation. I really appreciate O'Neill's courage and clarity. Apropos Crisis of Civs, it would be nice to see you challenging Dan Schueftan on the matter.
Some of my best friends are railing about genocide. I don't think there's any way to turn that narrative back, most people adopted it.
Did Noam see some serious footage beyond the very mild 47 mins film that IDF exposed in a limited way? that's Disney movie level compared to the overall footage evidence. It's not "just like what you see in films" as Noam claims. The full footage contains stuff that has never yet (and I believe will never be) seen in the most horrible horror films.
Can’t believe how Noam trivializes the Nakba. Absolutely no empathy for Palestinians. If the same thing happened to any other group of people he would be sickened at someone trying to describe it so callously. People being violently (in many cases murderously) forced from their home because of who they are is heart sinkingly tragic.
You don’t have an understanding of the circumstances. Go read more
1:01 - Noam's wrong - women's march wasn't pre Trump - it was right after his inauguration and a response to Trump's victory
1:10 - Noam I think you just need to compare it to other urban combats, that's the best argument. Plus I think one of the most shocking things about this conflict (and no one talks about it) is that, unlike so many other conflicts, is that no one in the entire world allowed the civilians to leave Gaza. They essentially forced israel to contain them and deal with it - which is another one of those double, tripple standards. Remember when millions of Ukrainans fled Ukraine when the war started? or Syrians? Why didn't anyone take the Gazan's in??? I'm sure a lot of them would want to leave
Spot on!
To Noam: there is an estimated 50K registered terrorists in Gaza in the variety of recognized terror groups in Gaza, e.g. Hamas, PIJ, to mention the largest ones. There is no excess of deaths going on by Israel! If anything it's the unprecedented smallest toll ever in history. Unfortunately, the self-blaming, self-hating, apologetic and baseless rhetoric of Noam is misleading and unhealthy, and frankly really difficult to listen to.
Apart from the whites, all non-whites believe that Israel is doing genocide in Gaza.
"there had to be a different way"? huh?
aside from the fact that the casualty figure includes combines combatants & non-combatants, there was no way to predict that hamas wouldn't, at some point, surrender & release the hostages, and, thereby, end hostilities, with casualties limited to 5k, 10k or 20k.
the guest is amazing but Noam keeps saying BASELESS NONSENSE. Whats an example of something that Israel claimed happened, but turned out to not really happen??Maybe Noam just relies on rumors rather than on official verified sources of information??
40 beheaded babies come to mind.
14:20 - why does this affect not only Israel but western civilization?
Because the response to Oct 7th has shown how deeply people in "the West" need and crave identity, so much so that they are willing make Jihadist propaganda a big part of it.
But why?
I see people protesting and as an Israeli I ask myself, why are they not being more critical? can they not see they are spewing male-honor and chauvinistic rhetoric, never mind AS? do they not care they are ignorant?
One explanation to this willful ignorance is that the conflict is very complicated and its history at least a century old, so that's a barrier for some.
And of course, ignorance is not missing on the pro-Israel side, but it's far less predominant imho.
To me these were not a sufficient answer to explain the scale of this cognitive dissonance, so I asked myself what my psychologist taught me many years ago - she suggested I ask what is the psychological profit (of staying ignorant)?
And then it occurred to me, it's an identity ritual.
People form their identity by saying and believing "Israel is evil" and by going to Jihadist rallies, an identity pilgrimage of sort, identity is their profit!
Much has been written about the crisis of meaning and identity in the west, from Nietzsche and Kirkegaard to Douglas Murray, and it occurs to me these new rituals are how the new religion worships.
That woke-ism or some elements of progressivism are a form of new religion is also, of course, nothing new, but seeing the protests and rhetoric in this light really made a lot of sense to me, religions have rituals and myths and here a new rituals and mythology are being created in front of our eyes.
For one, it explains the cognitive dissonance very well, people stay ignorant because they fear (or know deep down) that if they let critical thinking in the ritual will no longer work, they will not get the identity high they're used to. So, they let in only the information they want, and I believe this is largely unconscious.
So, to answer the question (that I was not asked):
It's important to western civilization because the response to Oct 7th shows that people crave and want identity and the West's failure to provide rituals and mythology to fulfill this need is causing people to desperately look for it elsewhere, anywhere, even in dangerous suicidal places like Jihadist propaganda.
How do you square the absolute blatant violations of the 4th Geneva Convention for many years that Israel as a signatory and ratifier party must abide by, and various other parts of customary international law with this is any way being about "western civilization" and not Israel?
@@FlyingVolvo By people believing what they want to - a-priory - and thus not thinking critically.
Let's take undisputed numbers:
45K dead in Gaza - this by Hamas' own estimate
16K of these are combatants according to US estimate (Israel estimate 20K)
that's 3 civilians to every 1 combatant - in one of the most densely populated areas of the world and with terrorists who actively and by own admission hide behind and under civilians.
Even if we say US estimate is wrong, we can assume only 10K are Hamas combatants just to make a worse-case scenario for ourselves to remove any doubt, that's 4.5 to 1
Now of course, every civilian death is a tragedy, in particular of children, but can you see that something doesn't add up?
Even by Hamas own numbers and taking worst case estimates.
A more honest calculation not accepting Hamas for their word and factoring in a few thousand dead from natural causes over the course over a year - would bring us closer to 2:1 - but it's good to take the worst case and show how even that is not consistent with Israel targeting civilians.
And we can observe the civilian deaths in this conflict are actually remarkably low - in fact, considering the location and conditions in which this war takes place, it indicates the exact opposite.
So, we have all these so-called reports on one side - which are opinions or analysis of people saying Israel is doing X and Y (infringing on Geneva conventions, targeting civilians, genocide, etc) - but the numbers contradict this, and numbers are from Hamas itself.
The cognitive dissonance is not wanting to see this and ask the questions that will come after - because it will ruin the nice feeling of being a moral person every time someone rages about Israel (aka the identify ritual).
Very similar to how most people don't like to hear that separating trash into color coded trash bin doesn't really help save the environment.
@@AvnerSenderowicz The 4th Geneva Convention has nothing to do with numbers of X amount of people having been killed. It's got far more to do with for example the legal obligations that Israel has as a occupying power like not allowing population transfers or annexation of territory.
@@FlyingVolvo Yes, my mistake, I am sorry.
The short answer is that this a legitimate criticism of Israel.
Of course, there are answers to this criticism - like the fact that the conventions envision that wars end, however the war in this region are never ending, creating a situation where Israel cannot give the disputed areas to Palestinian state, not for lack of trying mind you, nor can it completely take over and annex 2m, largely hostile, Palestinians. This would be national suicide.
But yeah, things are complicated, and Israel is certainly not without faults, that's totally valid criticism - assuming this is what you mean.
But if someone goes on to suggest this makes it OK to commit terror against Israel and Israeli civilians - that would be the cognitive dissonance I was talking about.
On the Nakba according to Benny Morris 80,000 Palestinians were actually forced out of their homes by force.Another 600,000 left partly listening to radio broadcasts encouraging them to seek safety not imagining they would lose but mainly just to get out of the way of the fighting.An equal number of Jews were removed after being looted of property and citizenship (and violence) from Arab countries including places like Baghdad in Iraq which was 25% Jewish before Israel's founding
No. Morris numbers are something like 250k driven out (at least, I think). You should double check this
No you are wrong . Go back and check your facts
equivalent dishonesty? not even close.
skepticism is important. but, one doesn't have to forget a distinction between deception (famine, starvation, genocide, etc) as s.o.p. & a presentation that attempts to adhere to the facts (with sometimes damaging pauses as the facts are determined).
Why did Kelley serve? No!! To be an adult in the room!
This guy is gong idiot! Trump??! Unbelievable
Good man
Saying he’d vote Trump completely de-legitimizes this discussion.
Agreed . Trump is the elite and he is an insurrectionist
When people say Madam VP Kamala is unintelligent, you lose me. A prosecutor, AG, and a senator of a state is unintelligent? Please
I don't need his opinion after I got acquainted with Kamala's company. She wasn't smart, she wasn't honest, she didn't look like she suited for to become a President. Just like Trump is not suitable for this position. I'm sorry...
More right wing nonsense
There were about 400 women were killed on October 7. IDF and the israeli police have yet to put a name on a rape victim. How many women were raped on October 7? Give me an estimate.
oh look an hour and a half of not comedy from the Comedy Cellar, cause this is the content I'm subscribed for
You will listen to this Zionist shilling and you wil accept it!
So, you're an antisemite basically? I mean...the videos have titles. You can click on the ones you want.
This long form interview podcast is a regular thing so you must be new here
Probably the biggest hack you've had on since I've been watching.
Cope. Lol
I’m sorry, I love the program, and I Probably will agree on his stand on Jihad and Israel, but the amount of garbage coming if his mouth about Biden and Kamala… don’t do that if you don’t know what you are talking about. It’s all speculation that coming from his own biases… if that the way he is on the show, how can we trust his book?
Which part exactly?
Hello from across the pond in Ireland. Brenda O'Neil is clown and a shyster. Boone takes him seriously. Ireland has had a huge surge in British immigrants because Britain is doing so badly since Brexit. They will never admit that a hard Brexit destroyed their country.
Would you consider having Mearsheimer on?
why do you want another academic fraud on?
WHY????????
@@lesweizman388He name checked him so I was curious if he would consider having him on, not that I personally want him on.
If he would agree to come on that would be fantastic! Please have him on!
Have Gideon Levy on your show.
Yes! Bring the prince of whataboutism
I’m so tired of the hyperbole, and you should have called him out on some of the absurdities. Anyone who spends any time on YT or Twitter can “show” him 1000s of Trump voters claiming Js deserve everything done to them on 10:07, and more.
I do circle back to that very point later, and he concedes it.