I'm sorry that opening sequence speaks for itself for anyone with an IQ over 110. He hits every note. Financiers, camps being a bumbling mistake. I mean really.
Cooper is (1) factually wrong and (2) a coward unwilling to defend his statements to Andrew Roberts. Cooper has NO credibility. "The solution to bad speech is more speech." Roberts has exposed Cooper's lies and Carlson's wild and baseless endorsement of Cooper as the most "honest and important historian of our time." Carlson is deeply perverse (and I'm a Trump-supporting conservative).
IQ is a pseudo-scientific concept and it's cringe to use it. You can't quantify intelligence. "Quickness", "talent", "genius", "sharpness", etc, these vague metaphors that used to be used to describe intelligence are better.
@@Lmeza-2121 From Wiki: Otto Frederick Rohwedder of Davenport, Iowa, United States, invented the first single loaf bread-slicing machine. A prototype he built in 1912 was destroyed in a fire and it was not until 1928 that Rohwedder had a fully working machine ready. The first commercial use of the machine was by the Chillicothe Baking Company of Chillicothe, Missouri, who sold their first slices on July 7, 1928. Their product, "Kleen Maid Sliced Bread", proved to be a success.
@@deepcosmicloveTell me you don't understand how real historians work without telling me you don't understand how real historians work. His fantastic book, Walking with destiny has plenty of criticisms of Churchill. He has written many excellent history books that have won positive critiques from historians of all sides, including German and Indian historians.
@@Bobmudu35UK And did those feet in ancient time, Walk up on England's mountains green: And was the holy Lamb of God, On England's pleasant pastures seen!
13:35 this is what you write when you dont want to be sued, or worse it is also very well worded, just like in his interviews: he is not saying what he is saying he is just saying what he thinks he heard somewhere maybe, so by saying it, he is really not really saying it classic sociopathic move candace does the same thing there must be a class somewhere......
On the last point the terrifying truth is that the barbarians are within the walls and they are being facillitated by a feeble ruling elite - its very Weimar in Britain.
It's difficult for an eminent historian to debate a conspiracy theorist without any history education, because the latter (i.e., Cooper) has no grasp of the facts or concepts like historical causation. He also doesn't seem to have read much about the Second World War, because -- as Roberts keeps pointing out -- Cooper gets even the most basic chronology wrong, about who invaded what, and when. It's quite ludicrous.
@@turlstreetI don't know enough about what Churchill did or did not do unfortunately. Which is why I would have liked to hear Darryl Cooper argue why this guest is wrong.
@@oh_k8 It would be more illuminating to have another historian debate Dr Andrew Roberts -- you need someone with an understanding of history to ask interesting and relevant questions. Cooper is just a quack.
@@turlstreetI'm sure it would be interesting to have other historians but this video was about debunking Darryl Cooper's opinion about Churchill's role in what happened to the Jews in WW2. It's only fair to give him the ability to respond to the historian that claims to have debunked him.
As far as I can tell, Carlson has escaped any criticism for serving up the interview and describing Cooper as the most important historian of our time (or words to that effect). All of his fans continue to be his fans as if the interview was about whether Pete Rose should've been inducted into the Hall Of Fame. I'm calling you out Tucker. Tell us why all the Cooper pushback is unwarranted.
You touched on an issue I think you could spend another hour discussing: What lessons are to be learned from appeasing the Germans after WWI due to misplaced guilt and how should those lessons be applied to the West’s current appeasement of Iran? It seems patently obvious we’re repeating the mistake due to western guilt about whiteness, colonialism, etc.
@@FiveLiver Don't expect these sort of people to actually give evidence. Their war is fought by sewing doubt - that's all they need. Cooper for example doesn't care about history AT ALL. He's not even interested in history. He uses history as the best tool available to him in his primary goal, which is radical political change. He wants to bring about some sort of Nazi revival and taking away collective memory and understanding is a pretty effective way to do it.
I don't think his use of "Jewish problem" shows any ill intent. That's how it was described at the time in the West. More commonly "Jewish question" but using that historical language doesn't mean you're a crypto fascist
@@comedycellarclipsthat's a funny example. You realize the term "Jim Crow" itself was a racist slur? And we still use it to describe the period because it was a term used then.
@@comedycellarclipsIt's important not to censor ourselves when pointing out just how vile discrimination in that time was. Jews were seen as problem in many countries, not just Germany. Providing understanding for how and why did people feel this way about them in Germany, US, Soviet Union... should in no way be seen as justification for antisemitism. It can actually help understand how it comes about in societies and help stop it. For example, John Mearsheimer wrote a book about Israeli lobby and Norman Finkelstein wrote a book about exploitation of Holocaust. These things when left in dark, unexplained, can be weaponized by antisemites to help spread rhetoric amongst people who buy it without even understanding they're being antisemitic. It's always good having people writing and speaking publicly against conspiracy theories by actually explaining events and phenomenas that could be represented as conspiracies. I understood Tucker's guest as doing just that by explaining how some Jews were better off because they're spread all over Europe and World so having family and friends outside Germany, when receiving foreign money under sanctions, they suddenly attracted (not justified but understandable) resentment which was politically exploited through conspiracy theories that persist today. That kind of explaining spits in face of antisemitism and nazi apologies imo. Other stuff, who bombed where, when and why first, I don't know much about. I planned on reading this guy but then he said Ukraine was democracy invaded without provocation so I'll find some other Oxford/Cambridge expert.
@@comedycellarclipsI was hoping you would have heard that response before this interview so you could ask Andrew to refute some of the dates and claims made in it. Dang it
For anyone interested in history there are two great podcasts, "The Rest is history"with two renowned historians Dominic Sandbrook and Tom Holland who both have written many respected books. And a world war two podcast,"We have ways of making you talk",with Al Murray, a comedian who studied history at Oxford and another respected historian and brother of Tom Holland, James Holland who have both written great books. All four were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge. They're informative, interesting and with good humour. Edit,Loved this interview!
Kaiser Wilhelm II never expressed any interest in "gassing" Jews. His realm (Imperial Germany) was the first European nation to grant Jews full citizenship and all the rights thereof. After defeat and in exile in 1918 he came to blame them (and communists) for Germany's defeat. He did however express interest in gassing Russian prisoners of war in 1915.
@@deepcosmiclove he did say that in a letter apparently, but with Wilhelm II, you have to grade him on a "is he having another manic episode" curve (i.e. the "Hun speech" or the tantrums over "uncle Eddie"). You're also right about the blaming them part after the war. Ludendorff seems to have had a hand in that.
Darryl wants to be fuentes, or even alex jones but lacks talent, or authenticity so he needed a plug that's all this is can we please stop talking about him now?
@@LocalGoonEST1991 Noam was trying to be as good faith about someone that he has communicated with personally. If you’re shocked by that, then you really haven’t watched this channel very much.
@@Ultra_Light_Beamthis is one of my favorite Zionist channels to follow. I agree with your sentiment, I guess I find it weird that Noam would personally associate with a holocaust denier/ white supremacist.
@@LocalGoonEST1991 Noam seems a very genuine guy trying to build bridges and understanding, and Darryl Cooper has some interesting thoughts, he's just very coy about his awful agenda, which may be Third Positionism or similar. Darryl has a talent for his Dan Carlin-style podcast. He tells a good story with lots of details, it's just loaded with selective facts, lies and bias where it suits his agenda.
@@John-bravooo that could work too, he could ask why they are so incompetent they still can’t beat a small gang of rebels and why they fired on their own hostages.
@@Lindsay_Quo_Vadis Have listened to his podcasts, listened to the Tucker podcast and ones like this. I have the information to justify an informed opinion. Do you?
Jesus Noam, People aren't " loosing their nerve" They are horrified by what Isreal is doing , just like they were horrified at what Hamas did. Trying to say that Gaza must be flattened for Isreal to be safe is just patently absurd.
The question is simple, who is responsible for civilian deaths? Is it the fighters accidentally killing the civilians, or the terrorist government hiding behind the civilians? No other country would be expected to tolerate what Israel has tolerated. What has happened to civilians during this war is deeply tragic, but the blame lies only with Hamas. And it is arguments like yours that will lead to more dead Jews.
@artura: because Roberts cites his sources and you can verify every one of his historical assertions against primary sources. By contrast, Cooper hasn't written jack shit, let alone anything citing primary sources.
If you imagine that Russia has unique security needs that override those of its neighbours, then you believe Russia was provoked. If you understand that it doesn't, then the invasion was completely unprovoked.
Israel was a kingdom way before Britain, Spain, Russia, etc. And way before the Balfour Declaration. King Soul became the first Israeli monarch in 1020 B. C.
@@stargazerh112 why don’t you cut the chase and say who you think should’ve been in charge and what should have happened. If you won’t do that, you aren’t only here to mine comments and then nitpick them.
Man this just made me want to listen to Daryl Cooper and not these clowns. So sick of the gatekeepers trying to proclaim who is and isn’t allowed to participate in the conversation. Tired of Neocon talking points. Next please
Yes as a Jewish Person I support a Israeli settler state. I used to Support French settler state in Algeria and African apartheidism but since that went wrong, I no longer speak about it😂... Yes Zionists did like Balfour declaration.... Who do you think financed that? Ottomans or Palestinains? I can see genuine people criticizing German expansionism... But British Imperialists and Israeli settlerism dont seem genuine critics. BTW, go read even a wiki page on Jewish partition plan in British Palestine... Even there it would seem clear to anyone how Britain and West pressured all Nations to vote for Israel. Not mentioning that most nations were controlled by West itself😂. You don't really have to be anti-Jewish. I hope someday jews and arabs live in peace but it cant be on settler terms. I imagine we wont accept French settlerism in Algeria.
@@joge2468 Absolutely it is not. But if such an ideological source says opens that Jews were trying to influence all states.... Then it is quite simple. Passage of the resolution required a two-thirds majority of the valid votes, not counting abstaining and absent members, of the UN's then 57 member states. On 26 November, after filibustering by the Zionist delegation, the vote was postponed by three days. According to multiple sources, had the vote been held on the original set date, it would have received a majority, but less than the required two-thirds. Various compromise proposals and variations on a single state, including federations and cantonal systems were debated (including those previously rejected in committee). The delay was used by supporters of Zionism in New York to put extra pressure on states not supporting the resolution. President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders-actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats-disturbed and annoyed me. Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, the Indian ambassador to the UN, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless "she voted right". Pandit occasionally hinted that something might change in favour of the Zionists. But another Indian delegate, Kavallam Pannikar, said that India would vote for the Arab side, because of their large Muslim minority, although they knew that the Jews had a case. Liberia's Ambassador to the United States complained that the US delegation threatened aid cuts to several countries.[102] Harvey S. Firestone Jr., President of Firestone Natural Rubber Company, with major holdings in the country, also pressured the Liberian government. And let's not forget there were only 57 members in UN at that time ... Not 193 like today. And Nobody in the region voted for Israel. It's astonishing really how people how arrogant they're, how arrogant the court historians are to say that everything is lies and only what the Govt "officially" tells us is the truth. His father left "Israel" in 1938😂😂😂. This is the same language which colonialists would have used.... For colonising and creating settler colonies.... It's shameful what a Libertarian would say. That's why I think People like Daryl Cooper are a gem even though he's not what they say.
@@joge2468 My comments are being deleted so forget about it. But I agree. It's ideologically captured. However even court historians agree that J3wish lobby influenced and there was huge pressure to vote for Partition in favour of them
All I can say is that it doesn't take much intelligence to nitpick out of context and keep up the anti Semitic labels. The more I listened to his podcast, the more it's clear he researched the hell out of any conclusion he made. There were huge financial interests wanting the war to continue. War is a racket. Churchill was bankrupt and got plenty of funding so long as he pushed war. Too bad it destroyed Europe for the average person, but certain ultra rich got richer.
Youre just as unread as he is about it lmao he constantly got thr timeline wrong, pinning stuff on Churchill that happened before he was even in power, this bankruptcy is a fiction or exaggeration, honestly don't know why I'm wasting my time on you to write this out since you won't or can't read it and will just decide to remain ignorant
@@Richard-d1yHe’s referring to Jewish expulsions at various times in the Middle East and Europe. It’s what anti-semites say to demonstrate their lack of critical thinking.
@benisboop Which is the most powerful and successful nation in the world / history? USA. Do millions of Jews live there? Yes. So how are Jews in a society a problem? Did the British suffer having Jews in their society? No. They built the greatest empire in human history. So, again, how is having Jews in your society a problem? The problem is not the Jews. The problem is local populations who want scapegoats for their problems because they don't want to take responsibility for their own failings. Again, if having Jews in your society is a bad thing then how do you explain the USA?
Came to hear to say "comedy cellar" is not a place to find history versus actual historians who are at least able to read & genuinely independent journalists having a professional, learned conversation. I'm pissed off UA-cam recommended this nonsense.
Two things really annoyed me about Cooper:
1) The lies he told about WWII
2) The way his pinky finger stuck out.
I'm sorry that opening sequence speaks for itself for anyone with an IQ over 110. He hits every note. Financiers, camps being a bumbling mistake. I mean really.
@@oraz. You do realize that an IQ over 110 is rare in most populations right?
Cooper is (1) factually wrong and (2) a coward unwilling to defend his statements to Andrew Roberts. Cooper has NO credibility. "The solution to bad speech is more speech." Roberts has exposed Cooper's lies and Carlson's wild and baseless endorsement of Cooper as the most "honest and important historian of our time." Carlson is deeply perverse (and I'm a Trump-supporting conservative).
@@prometheusrex1 Roberts is a debunked serial liar.
He is also a neo-con racist who supports genocide and illegal wars.
Also, only certified creeps mention IQ in UA-cam posts. Proven fact.
IQ is a pseudo-scientific concept and it's cringe to use it. You can't quantify intelligence. "Quickness", "talent", "genius", "sharpness", etc, these vague metaphors that used to be used to describe intelligence are better.
Cooper is just a weird dude. Look at his hands. He looks AI.
This Daryl Cooper is deplorable
Careful the Goebbels minions on Twitter will tell you he’s the best thing since sliced bread
He's spot-on. Britain is now becoming a Third World country because of Churchill.
@@Lmeza-2121 Churchill supported eugenics.
@@Lmeza-2121 From Wiki: Otto Frederick Rohwedder of Davenport, Iowa, United States, invented the first single loaf bread-slicing machine. A prototype he built in 1912 was destroyed in a fire and it was not until 1928 that Rohwedder had a fully working machine ready. The first commercial use of the machine was by the Chillicothe Baking Company of Chillicothe, Missouri, who sold their first slices on July 7, 1928. Their product, "Kleen Maid Sliced Bread", proved to be a success.
@@deepcosmiclove ?
Andrew Roberts Rocks. Greatest historian of our time
In what way? What has he discoved in the way of original research?
@@deepcosmiclove Your mum.
@@andrewdevine3920 Honestly that would be about it.
@@deepcosmicloveTell me you don't understand how real historians work without telling me you don't understand how real historians work.
His fantastic book, Walking with destiny has plenty of criticisms of Churchill.
He has written many excellent history books that have won positive critiques from historians of all sides, including German and Indian historians.
@@Bobmudu35UK And did those feet in ancient time, Walk up on England's mountains green: And was the holy Lamb of God, On England's pleasant pastures seen!
13:35
this is what you write when you dont want to be sued, or worse
it is also very well worded, just like in his interviews: he is not saying what he is saying he is just saying what he thinks he heard somewhere maybe, so by saying it, he is really not really saying it
classic sociopathic move
candace does the same thing
there must be a class somewhere......
This was one of the best episodes.
Did not expect to see you here, sir. Cheers, and keep up the good work!
On the last point the terrifying truth is that the barbarians are within the walls and they are being facillitated by a feeble ruling elite - its very Weimar in Britain.
Churchill destroyed Europe and the British Empire after being bribed.
The invasion started in 1948 with Windrush. Ironically the ship was a former German cruise liner which the UK took as war booty. Karma, eh ?
@@davidbrims5825 It's the legacy of Churchill's treason.
Thank you.
We need Andrew Roberts v Darryl Cooper now...
Darryl was invited to debate him, but he refused. Wonder why
It's difficult for an eminent historian to debate a conspiracy theorist without any history education, because the latter (i.e., Cooper) has no grasp of the facts or concepts like historical causation. He also doesn't seem to have read much about the Second World War, because -- as Roberts keeps pointing out -- Cooper gets even the most basic chronology wrong, about who invaded what, and when. It's quite ludicrous.
@@turlstreetI don't know enough about what Churchill did or did not do unfortunately. Which is why I would have liked to hear Darryl Cooper argue why this guest is wrong.
@@oh_k8 It would be more illuminating to have another historian debate Dr Andrew Roberts -- you need someone with an understanding of history to ask interesting and relevant questions. Cooper is just a quack.
@@turlstreetI'm sure it would be interesting to have other historians but this video was about debunking Darryl Cooper's opinion about Churchill's role in what happened to the Jews in WW2. It's only fair to give him the ability to respond to the historian that claims to have debunked him.
As far as I can tell, Carlson has escaped any criticism for serving up the interview and describing Cooper as the most important historian of our time (or words to that effect). All of his fans continue to be his fans as if the interview was about whether Pete Rose should've been inducted into the Hall Of Fame. I'm calling you out Tucker. Tell us why all the Cooper pushback is unwarranted.
Norm, you will love Churchill's humour that Andrew Roberts' captures in his book. The link to the Comedy Cellar can be found there :)
You touched on an issue I think you could spend another hour discussing: What lessons are to be learned from appeasing the Germans after WWI due to misplaced guilt and how should those lessons be applied to the West’s current appeasement of Iran? It seems patently obvious we’re repeating the mistake due to western guilt about whiteness, colonialism, etc.
Absolutely right, and I've made the same argument. We are under-reacting to Iran because we are queasy about our mistakes in Iraq
@@comedycellarclips Omg, thank you for finally replying to one of my comments. I feel seen. 🥹
@@joge2468 Iran already has its own nuclear weapons.
"Appeasement" did not exist when Britain and France were occupying half of the world.
@@comedycellarclips
You go man!
Allies Assemble!!!!
That was great. I learned some stuff.
Props for at least showing the full clip
Heard Destiny/Steven went up to NY to record another pod with you, any idea when you will be releasing it?
Don’t smoke while watching this, cuz straw men are highly flammable.
Like what?
@PodcastReview: Name one example of a strawman here. Bet you can't do it, weasel.
What a incredibly unintelligent comment
@@FiveLiver Don't expect these sort of people to actually give evidence. Their war is fought by sewing doubt - that's all they need. Cooper for example doesn't care about history AT ALL. He's not even interested in history. He uses history as the best tool available to him in his primary goal, which is radical political change. He wants to bring about some sort of Nazi revival and taking away collective memory and understanding is a pretty effective way to do it.
Shut up dingus
I don't think his use of "Jewish problem" shows any ill intent. That's how it was described at the time in the West. More commonly "Jewish question" but using that historical language doesn't mean you're a crypto fascist
Shall we use the language of the Jim Crow South to describe issues with race in the 1940s?
@@comedycellarclipsthat's a funny example. You realize the term "Jim Crow" itself was a racist slur? And we still use it to describe the period because it was a term used then.
@@evanstein3011 The Allies persecuted Jews.
@@comedycellarclipsIt's important not to censor ourselves when pointing out just how vile discrimination in that time was. Jews were seen as problem in many countries, not just Germany. Providing understanding for how and why did people feel this way about them in Germany, US, Soviet Union... should in no way be seen as justification for antisemitism. It can actually help understand how it comes about in societies and help stop it. For example, John Mearsheimer wrote a book about Israeli lobby and Norman Finkelstein wrote a book about exploitation of Holocaust. These things when left in dark, unexplained, can be weaponized by antisemites to help spread rhetoric amongst people who buy it without even understanding they're being antisemitic. It's always good having people writing and speaking publicly against conspiracy theories by actually explaining events and phenomenas that could be represented as conspiracies. I understood Tucker's guest as doing just that by explaining how some Jews were better off because they're spread all over Europe and World so having family and friends outside Germany, when receiving foreign money under sanctions, they suddenly attracted (not justified but understandable) resentment which was politically exploited through conspiracy theories that persist today. That kind of explaining spits in face of antisemitism and nazi apologies imo. Other stuff, who bombed where, when and why first, I don't know much about. I planned on reading this guy but then he said Ukraine was democracy invaded without provocation so I'll find some other Oxford/Cambridge expert.
Well in theory true but isn’t it funny that it always ends up like that
who tf is Daryll Cooper? another amateur.
Loved the ending. Wholesome.
Did you guys listen to Darryls' recent response to this controversy? Because you should
Where?
@@comedycellarclips I found it on Spotify under martyrmade. Is this actually Norm? Lol
Yes. Noam
@@comedycellarclipsmy bad, right on.
@@comedycellarclipsI was hoping you would have heard that response before this interview so you could ask Andrew to refute some of the dates and claims made in it. Dang it
Hahaha, the "uncomedic cellar". Brilliant episode!
For anyone interested in history there are two great podcasts, "The Rest is history"with two renowned historians Dominic Sandbrook and Tom Holland who both have written many respected books. And a world war two podcast,"We have ways of making you talk",with Al Murray, a comedian who studied history at Oxford and another respected historian and brother of Tom Holland, James Holland who have both written great books.
All four were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge.
They're informative, interesting and with good humour.
Edit,Loved this interview!
Darryl Copper didn't read Mein Kampf........what a clown! LOL
Kaiser Wilhelm II never expressed any interest in "gassing" Jews. His realm (Imperial Germany) was the first European nation to grant Jews full citizenship and all the rights thereof. After defeat and in exile in 1918 he came to blame them (and communists) for Germany's defeat. He did however express interest in gassing Russian prisoners of war in 1915.
You’ll have to pardon me if I defer to the actual historian in the video here. You know, the one who has written multiple highly regarded books.
The chambers were built by the Soviets after the war.
@@Ultra_Light_Beam "Lord" Roberts is a debunked racist liar.
@@Jeremy-y1t Making absurd statements doesn't change anybody's mind.
@@deepcosmiclove he did say that in a letter apparently, but with Wilhelm II, you have to grade him on a "is he having another manic episode" curve (i.e. the "Hun speech" or the tantrums over "uncle Eddie").
You're also right about the blaming them part after the war. Ludendorff seems to have had a hand in that.
Darryl wants to be fuentes, or even alex jones
but lacks talent, or authenticity
so he needed a plug
that's all this is
can we please stop talking about him now?
It seems the host wants to really clean up this guys image, isn’t that weird?
@@LocalGoonEST1991 I find it really troubling and inexplicable.
@@LocalGoonEST1991 Noam was trying to be as good faith about someone that he has communicated with personally. If you’re shocked by that, then you really haven’t watched this channel very much.
@@Ultra_Light_Beamthis is one of my favorite Zionist channels to follow. I agree with your sentiment, I guess I find it weird that Noam would personally associate with a holocaust denier/ white supremacist.
@@LocalGoonEST1991 Noam seems a very genuine guy trying to build bridges and understanding, and Darryl Cooper has some interesting thoughts, he's just very coy about his awful agenda, which may be Third Positionism or similar.
Darryl has a talent for his Dan Carlin-style podcast. He tells a good story with lots of details, it's just loaded with selective facts, lies and bias where it suits his agenda.
I am subscribing by the way because you must be intelligent AND funny
Please interview Peter Beinart
why?
Beinart is a typical emotionally damaged and repeative Leftist
Why? Peter should interview an IDF commander instead of hiding behind ignorant leftists.
@@John-bravooo that could work too, he could ask why they are so incompetent they still can’t beat a small gang of rebels and why they fired on their own hostages.
These off topic critics by knighted historians made me a martyr.
The British Empire strikes back 😂
Thanks for this. So alarming.
Dirty smearing
?
You hate facts and honesty, just like Darryl Cooper
And all you can do is sew doubt without any evidence or argumentation.
@@Lindsay_Quo_Vadis Have listened to his podcasts, listened to the Tucker podcast and ones like this. I have the information to justify an informed opinion. Do you?
Name calling, specifically THAT name calling is less satisfactory a rebuttal as some people want to think.
Three useful idiots
27:15 second largest😂
Jesus Noam,
People aren't " loosing their nerve"
They are horrified by what Isreal is doing , just like they were horrified at what Hamas did.
Trying to say that Gaza must be flattened for Isreal to be safe is just patently absurd.
The question is simple, who is responsible for civilian deaths? Is it the fighters accidentally killing the civilians, or the terrorist government hiding behind the civilians? No other country would be expected to tolerate what Israel has tolerated. What has happened to civilians during this war is deeply tragic, but the blame lies only with Hamas. And it is arguments like yours that will lead to more dead Jews.
@@Ultra_Light_Beam Israel was only created by terrorism.
See why Churchill condemned Lehi and the Irgun.
@@Ultra_Light_Beamit is the occupying murderous nation of Israel who is responsible.
"as a Jewish person" that's all you need to know
Why?
"Ultra isolationism" thats a new one lol
Arguably it's a very old one.
Amazing episode
💊 💊 💊
I am getting so tired of this anti semitism argument against every critic
What if they ARE anti-semitic?
Well, ypu should learm to think.
@@FiveLiver See why Churchill blamed Jews for Communism.
@@JLP4444 not aesy fro me becuase I am thoughfull
If it looks like a goat, sounds like a goat, and smells like a goat…
The noses are on full display.
Why should i believe that a British historian to be impartial?
Because he wrote an excellent biography of Churchill which is well balanced.
@@1526andrews He lied about the racist war criminal in his book.
Because they still think they won the war so they feel entitled to impose their truth.
@@1526andrewshe’s a literal Tory
@artura: because Roberts cites his sources and you can verify every one of his historical assertions against primary sources. By contrast, Cooper hasn't written jack shit, let alone anything citing primary sources.
Repeat after me, Churchill is not a deity. For most of the time he was half cut.
Says who? This whole business is about people having opinions they aren't qualified to have.
@@FiveLiver Himself, he boasted about his alcohol consumption.
As if the argument here is if he was a diety or not
If that’s true, it makes Churchill all the more impressive, not less.
@@Ultra_Light_Beam Not really, Field Marshal Alan Brooke in his memoirs said he was a pain in the neck.
Another old British Imperialist who claims the Ukraine war was not provoked. I want to listen to the all side/arguments but my goodness, its hard
If you imagine that Russia has unique security needs that override those of its neighbours, then you believe Russia was provoked. If you understand that it doesn't, then the invasion was completely unprovoked.
How was provoked? Where is threat for russian people?
@@FiveLiver The EU and NATO caused this war in Ukraine.
@@Jeremy-y1t thats true, they made Putin send his troops into ukraine didnt they?/
@@crobert79 The West carried out regime change in Kiev.
Ukraine has shelled Russian civilians since 2014.
There was no Israel in 1938.
There was a British Mandate for the creation of a Jewish state in Palestine though
@@manofculture584 so what?
@@manofculture584 the word “state” wasn’t in the Balfour declaration ….but who cares? Who were the British to guarantee that?
Israel was a kingdom way before Britain, Spain, Russia, etc. And way before the Balfour Declaration. King Soul became the first Israeli monarch in 1020 B. C.
@@stargazerh112 why don’t you cut the chase and say who you think should’ve been in charge and what should have happened. If you won’t do that, you aren’t only here to mine comments and then nitpick them.
How could your father have beem born in "Isreal" in 1930...there was no Isreal then: only PALESTINE! The Colonial Zionism dogma is strong within you.
Andrew Roberts never says anything original.
😢 being anti Israeli Zionism does not = anti Jewish. Conflating them is dishonest and discrediting.
Man this just made me want to listen to Daryl Cooper and not these clowns. So sick of the gatekeepers trying to proclaim who is and isn’t allowed to participate in the conversation. Tired of Neocon talking points. Next please
Who are some of your favourite historians on ww2?
Yes as a Jewish Person I support a Israeli settler state. I used to Support French settler state in Algeria and African apartheidism but since that went wrong, I no longer speak about it😂...
Yes Zionists did like Balfour declaration.... Who do you think financed that? Ottomans or Palestinains?
I can see genuine people criticizing German expansionism... But British Imperialists and Israeli settlerism dont seem genuine critics.
BTW, go read even a wiki page on Jewish partition plan in British Palestine... Even there it would seem clear to anyone how Britain and West pressured all Nations to vote for Israel. Not mentioning that most nations were controlled by West itself😂.
You don't really have to be anti-Jewish. I hope someday jews and arabs live in peace but it cant be on settler terms. I imagine we wont accept French settlerism in Algeria.
Israel has nothing to do with settler-colonialism. Take this neo-Bolshevik pseudointellectual garbage hack to Moscow State University.
Wikipedia is not a respectable source on anything historical. It has been ideologically captured.
@@joge2468 Absolutely it is not. But if such an ideological source says opens that Jews were trying to influence all states.... Then it is quite simple.
Passage of the resolution required a two-thirds majority of the valid votes, not counting abstaining and absent members, of the UN's then 57 member states. On 26 November, after filibustering by the Zionist delegation, the vote was postponed by three days. According to multiple sources, had the vote been held on the original set date, it would have received a majority, but less than the required two-thirds. Various compromise proposals and variations on a single state, including federations and cantonal systems were debated (including those previously rejected in committee). The delay was used by supporters of Zionism in New York to put extra pressure on states not supporting the resolution.
President Truman later noted, "The facts were that not only were there pressure movements around the United Nations unlike anything that had been seen there before, but that the White House, too, was subjected to a constant barrage. I do not think I ever had as much pressure and propaganda aimed at the White House as I had in this instance. The persistence of a few of the extreme Zionist leaders-actuated by political motives and engaging in political threats-disturbed and annoyed me.
Indian Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru spoke with anger and contempt for the way the UN vote had been lined up. He said the Zionists had tried to bribe India with millions and at the same time his sister, Vijaya Lakshmi Pandit, the Indian ambassador to the UN, had received daily warnings that her life was in danger unless "she voted right". Pandit occasionally hinted that something might change in favour of the Zionists. But another Indian delegate, Kavallam Pannikar, said that India would vote for the Arab side, because of their large Muslim minority, although they knew that the Jews had a case.
Liberia's Ambassador to the United States complained that the US delegation threatened aid cuts to several countries.[102] Harvey S. Firestone Jr., President of Firestone Natural Rubber Company, with major holdings in the country, also pressured the Liberian government.
And let's not forget there were only 57 members in UN at that time ... Not 193 like today. And Nobody in the region voted for Israel.
It's astonishing really how people how arrogant they're, how arrogant the court historians are to say that everything is lies and only what the Govt "officially" tells us is the truth.
His father left "Israel" in 1938😂😂😂.
This is the same language which colonialists would have used.... For colonising and creating settler colonies.... It's shameful what a Libertarian would say. That's why I think People like Daryl Cooper are a gem even though he's not what they say.
@@joge2468 My comments are being deleted so forget about it. But I agree. It's ideologically captured. However even court historians agree that J3wish lobby influenced and there was huge pressure to vote for Partition in favour of them
They’ve had long podcasts on this channel addressing all of these points, you are a goof, spouting goof nonsense.
This Jew is lying(duh). His dad was born in 1937 or 1938 in Israel? Israel wasn't a state until 1948. Shameful
All I can say is that it doesn't take much intelligence to nitpick out of context and keep up the anti Semitic labels. The more I listened to his podcast, the more it's clear he researched the hell out of any conclusion he made.
There were huge financial interests wanting the war to continue. War is a racket. Churchill was bankrupt and got plenty of funding so long as he pushed war.
Too bad it destroyed Europe for the average person, but certain ultra rich got richer.
Utterly gormless.
Youre just as unread as he is about it lmao he constantly got thr timeline wrong, pinning stuff on Churchill that happened before he was even in power, this bankruptcy is a fiction or exaggeration, honestly don't know why I'm wasting my time on you to write this out since you won't or can't read it and will just decide to remain ignorant
Exactly. The BIS was setup in Switzerland in 1930 just prior to "INTERNATIONAL BOYCOTTS" declared on Germany.
Idk, maybe 109 countries and millions of people throughout history have a point 🤷
About what?
@@Richard-d1yHe’s referring to Jewish expulsions at various times in the Middle East and Europe. It’s what anti-semites say to demonstrate their lack of critical thinking.
@benisboop Which is the most powerful and successful nation in the world / history? USA. Do millions of Jews live there? Yes. So how are Jews in a society a problem? Did the British suffer having Jews in their society? No. They built the greatest empire in human history. So, again, how is having Jews in your society a problem? The problem is not the Jews. The problem is local populations who want scapegoats for their problems because they don't want to take responsibility for their own failings. Again, if having Jews in your society is a bad thing then how do you explain the USA?
@firebird4491 I cannot believe how moronic these people are. It is beyond belief that in 2024 anyone could be so stupid. It is mind blowing.
Yeah, and hundreds of billions of flies have a very particular dietary preference. Why don't you go and join them in that?
They brought a smelly Tory 😂😂😂😂
Well done, another great podcast and as a bonus we didn't have to hear another iteration of undeserved sympathy for Donald Trump.
Came to hear to say "comedy cellar" is not a place to find history versus actual historians who are at least able to read & genuinely independent journalists having a professional, learned conversation. I'm pissed off UA-cam recommended this nonsense.
3:40 Then tell me who this guy is then?!??! 🙄
who is independent journalist?
revisionist historian