That comment about only sac'ing one creature . . . Rules wise, you only have to sac as part of the casting cost and don't need to sac to copy. Flavor wise, the creature transforms into something bigger and scarier. In this case, your auger grows tenticles before his body explodes and five wizards, a faerie, and a goblin pop out.
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Ok this deck is hot Edit: I am not sure if I should be angry or proud about keeping that awful hand match 3 Edit 2: The UW Bogles player sounded like a cool dude. Kudos to him.
This was one of the first combo decks i played in pioneer. But i used neoform not Evolution, and ran bant and llanowar/mystic. Llanowar into reflection mage into neoform+expansion was fun early in the format. Ended up sidelining the deck because cat combo was popular and ran enough to disrupt all the time. Glad to see it's still playable!
@@MTGGoldfish i was running reflector mage, champion of wits and a knight of autumn and a deputy of detention as my 3's. Champion of wits is quite good when they come into play with a +1/+1 counter and/or naru is on board! :)
I've been doing this for a while during war of the spark standard, neoforming the ixalan sailor that makes a treasure token in a mono blue deck. Glad to see something similar on against the odds.
11:36 There was another way. You could theoreticaly play around Stubborn Denial/Negate by playing Rec Sage, blowing up the big one, then playing Paradise Druid to chump the smaller one. Not even sure if that was the betteroption, but based on what opponent had played until then, I'd say yes.
I feel like this is definitely competitive. Just got to always prepare in the sideboard for any disruption! Loving this unique combo because pioneer has become stale with the same decks over and over! Keep it going Seth!!
I brewed something like this in Arena Historic with Neoform, it's really fun! I didn't realize that copying a spell works just as well, I might rebuild that deck.
If you add bloodwater entity and neoform you could still combo off of a 2 drop. Neoform a 2 drop into a bloodwater entity to get back neoform to neoform to Neru. Sadly bloodwater entity puts on top of your deck so you would need an effect to get it from there to combo in 1 turn. It does allow you to combo over 2 turns though always.
Splinter Twin lives again, eat it WotC. Edit: Also, can this deck also Ral Zarek/Expansion Copy combo-kill people as a plan B? Because that's a rad plan B for a combo deck.
@@espermistborn4767 It doesn't work with doublecast, as doublecast sets up a delayed trigger to copy the next spell you cast, rather than actually copying a spell.
@@petrie911 If you have Ral on board and 4 mana, you can make it work with Doublecast and Expansion in hand. -2 Ral, Cast Doublecast. Allow the copy of Doublecast to resolve, then cast Expansion targeting the original Doublecast, and then target Expansion with the copy of expansion. That creates infinite copies of Expansion, killing your opponent with Ral's passive.
I still want to see you build a nissa tribal deck for pioneer. I have been messing around with a build but cant really test it due to my choice to not go play at my lgs for the time being.
34:20 Seth is sad he draws Spark Double, because he won't be able to tutor it out as part of the combo. He subsequently goes off and 'only' does 35 damage to his opponent, knocking them down to -15. So, disappointing (I kid).
Running Augur of Bolas in a deck with only 13 maindeck targets makes my eye twitch lol. It does sac and dig for combo pieces, though I think you're right that changing out Brazen Borrower for an actual instant or sorcery piece of interaction might be good
i'm a total newbie on mtgo, and still always found good ppl or conversation. At max I was ignored. I mean, reading the MTGA facebook group, it is better to not add chat on mtga, but generally ppl that play REAL magic are nice ppl. Ps I think that Ral adds consistency, adding another combo kill to the deck (the double copy spell combo). moreover, with Ral you can use neoform (but it is really jank: you -2 ral, use doublecast/expansion on neoform sacking 2cmc, fetch 3cmc, fetch naru, starts the combo)
Are these matches from the same event? The event #s differ match to match or are they compiled from different events? Deck seems cool just was wondering.
I'm curious what the downside is to running the full set of Nehru Meha and 2 spark doubles (other than a couple excess +1/+1 counters) A lot of times there was yhe concern of drawing the last very meha.
That's a tough question. I think that we need all four Spark Doubles since they are essentially to the combo (every one we cut potentially cuts something like 8 power from our combo kill, making it less likely to be lethal). As for Naru Meha, we can get in trouble if we happen to draw both, but in general we don't want to draw any. While we can combo with it naturally it takes a lot of mana.
And here I almost thought we were going Ghostly Flicker (which I realize isn't Pioneer legal) or Illusionist's Gambit (which is)... You can use Gambit to win with Naru and Thassa's Oracle though, think that might be more powerful possibly.
Cindervines could be a good sideboard option, although because of Eldritch Evolution the more we can do with creatures the better. I think Reclamation Sage is better in the deck for killing an artifact or enchantment, so Cindervines would mostly be for Storm-style combo hate.
would Finale of Devestation work in this deck as well? Add another redundancy card for eldrich evolution. This deck needs 5 to 7 Mana to go off anyway. The X Mana isn't much of a downfall in this deck.
Hmm I could see this deck being fine tuned maybe drop a few doublecasts and the Rals (one for another expansion because the alternate win con. With some more counters and control style pieces along with some fog effects for aggro I could see this deck being very splinter twin lite. Maybe run Shifting Ceratops over Questing beast I'm the sideboard.
Zakana I understand that. I wasn't counting the creature because you should almost always have one. Sometimes that could be an issue but it's rare. By turn 5 on the play you should have the creature to sacrifice 97% of the time assuming no mulligans and no card selection (11 card sample). And I'm just talking about consistency not resilience so the creature getting killed isn't relevant to my comment. I know you need a creature but it feels silly to count that as a third piece when you have 15 of them to sacrifice (the deck has 21 creatures but I'm not counting naru meha or spark double). Give me some benefit of the doubt. Of course I understood that you technically need a creature. That was a little too obvious to assume that I missed it.
Seems like it could work. Would have to adjust the support cards since Neoform needs a three-drop to sacrifice rather than a four-drop, but the actual combo should work about the same.
Thats what i dont like about HS, the lack chat just irks me bc i love bantering back and forth w/ my opponents (part of the reason i hope MTG never goes full paperless bc i love my LGS and the small talk between plays)
Yeah, the combo is actually pretty safe from one removal spell, as long as we still have our other Naru Meha in the deck (we can just get that instead of Spark Double and basically start over from the beginning). Counterspells on Eldritch Evolution to disrupt it though, or multiple removal spells.
Excellent content as always, but can you please stop beginning each video with a highlight from the video itself? It's quite annoying when I don't want the games to be spoiled.
That comment about only sac'ing one creature . . . Rules wise, you only have to sac as part of the casting cost and don't need to sac to copy. Flavor wise, the creature transforms into something bigger and scarier. In this case, your auger grows tenticles before his body explodes and five wizards, a faerie, and a goblin pop out.
"Truely, an Eldritch Evolution."
Terry Schmitt copies of the same wizard actually
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@Maurice Kaysen Yup, I've been watching on instaflixxer for since november myself :)
Seth you can copy your opponents counters with expansion!!!
Good call!
Ok this deck is hot
Edit: I am not sure if I should be angry or proud about keeping that awful hand match 3
Edit 2: The UW Bogles player sounded like a cool dude. Kudos to him.
21:48 "And that's the combo!"
...Was it?
"The backup, backup, backup plan" 😄
I really like this editing in the beginning, showing the combo with clips from the games. It really helps explain the beauty of the jank.
some people also hate it, spoilers and all that
Thanks!
😂 you said “welcome back to an instant deck tech we are playing...”
I love your videos. Thank you. They help a lot at a time like this. I hope you can do a “how to get started in MTGO update soon”
It's on my list! Also thanks :)
This was one of the first combo decks i played in pioneer. But i used neoform not Evolution, and ran bant and llanowar/mystic. Llanowar into reflection mage into neoform+expansion was fun early in the format. Ended up sidelining the deck because cat combo was popular and ran enough to disrupt all the time. Glad to see it's still playable!
Neoform can do the same thing, you just need to play more 3cmc creatures.
@@MTGGoldfish i was running reflector mage, champion of wits and a knight of autumn and a deputy of detention as my 3's. Champion of wits is quite good when they come into play with a +1/+1 counter and/or naru is on board! :)
I'm really enjoying the new format for the intros. They really help visualize everything before going in.
I'm glad you appreciate it.
When the first few moments of the video include Seth giggling like a madman, you know it's going to be a good one. XD
That’s every against the odds lol
@@endermeap6488 and every against the odds 'til now was a good one. so, point proven :)
I've been doing this for a while during war of the spark standard, neoforming the ixalan sailor that makes a treasure token in a mono blue deck.
Glad to see something similar on against the odds.
9:15 Seth just multiplied that opponent's life total by negative one!
lol
11:36 There was another way. You could theoreticaly play around Stubborn Denial/Negate by playing Rec Sage, blowing up the big one, then playing Paradise Druid to chump the smaller one. Not even sure if that was the betteroption, but based on what opponent had played until then, I'd say yes.
I feel like this is definitely competitive. Just got to always prepare in the sideboard for any disruption! Loving this unique combo because pioneer has become stale with the same decks over and over! Keep it going Seth!!
I brewed something like this in Arena Historic with Neoform, it's really fun! I didn't realize that copying a spell works just as well, I might rebuild that deck.
*copying a spell with something other than naru meha
A 1-of Riverwise Augur to put the Chasm Guide back with the pre-final Eldritch Evolution resolving?
21:50 Wins with the backup, backup, backup plan. Ends the match by saying "and that's the combo!" XD
I normally hate combo decks but I have to respect this one. Gotta respect the jank
If you add bloodwater entity and neoform you could still combo off of a 2 drop. Neoform a 2 drop into a bloodwater entity to get back neoform to neoform to Neru. Sadly bloodwater entity puts on top of your deck so you would need an effect to get it from there to combo in 1 turn. It does allow you to combo over 2 turns though always.
Splinter Twin lives again, eat it WotC.
Edit: Also, can this deck also Ral Zarek/Expansion Copy combo-kill people as a plan B? Because that's a rad plan B for a combo deck.
@@espermistborn4767 It doesn't work with doublecast, as doublecast sets up a delayed trigger to copy the next spell you cast, rather than actually copying a spell.
@@petrie911 If you have Ral on board and 4 mana, you can make it work with Doublecast and Expansion in hand. -2 Ral, Cast Doublecast. Allow the copy of Doublecast to resolve, then cast Expansion targeting the original Doublecast, and then target Expansion with the copy of expansion. That creates infinite copies of Expansion, killing your opponent with Ral's passive.
It can, although with only two Rals and three Expansion // Explosions it's unlikely we'll draw all of the pieces we need at the same time.
@@hadrianj Yes, that works. I thought he meant using doublecast only.
First game 4:39
isn't ral basically another win con and sub for eldritch evolution? ral + some copy spells (combo) was already in a pioneer deck we saw.
Superb content
Thanks!
This deck makes me sad that dualcaster mage never got printed into a standard-legal set
Dualcaster would be sweet in this deck!
God yes!
I still want to see you build a nissa tribal deck for pioneer. I have been messing around with a build but cant really test it due to my choice to not go play at my lgs for the time being.
Hmmmm. I feel like against Gruul you should have just played towards combo with Ral in game one..
Hmm, yeah, I think you're right.
Why Drawn from Dreams over Thassa's Intervention? Seems like the flexibility to dig or counter makes it way better. Very similar to Supreme Will.
Combo decks need to dig deeper for their combo pieces to win game one. I expect that's why.
34:20 Seth is sad he draws Spark Double, because he won't be able to tutor it out as part of the combo. He subsequently goes off and 'only' does 35 damage to his opponent, knocking them down to -15.
So, disappointing (I kid).
Welverin heh
Did he say "yogurt of bolas" in 7:07?
Running Augur of Bolas in a deck with only 13 maindeck targets makes my eye twitch lol. It does sac and dig for combo pieces, though I think you're right that changing out Brazen Borrower for an actual instant or sorcery piece of interaction might be good
You should add in quasiduplicate, since that can copy your non-legendary spark double to actually go infinite
This deck is so spicy!!!
Yeah! It's super fun.
Where do you guys buy your cards/tix from?
i'm a total newbie on mtgo, and still always found good ppl or conversation. At max I was ignored. I mean, reading the MTGA facebook group, it is better to not add chat on mtga, but generally ppl that play REAL magic are nice ppl.
Ps I think that Ral adds consistency, adding another combo kill to the deck (the double copy spell combo). moreover, with Ral you can use neoform (but it is really jank: you -2 ral, use doublecast/expansion on neoform sacking 2cmc, fetch 3cmc, fetch naru, starts the combo)
Are these matches from the same event? The event #s differ match to match or are they compiled from different events? Deck seems cool just was wondering.
It's five matches from the two-player queue, so I guess it's technically five different events since each event is only one match long.
Seth plays 2 player queues now because it's boring when you run into a bunch of the same deck in leagues
@@MTGGoldfish good to know thank you.
I'm curious what the downside is to running the full set of Nehru Meha and 2 spark doubles (other than a couple excess +1/+1 counters)
A lot of times there was yhe concern of drawing the last very meha.
That's a tough question. I think that we need all four Spark Doubles since they are essentially to the combo (every one we cut potentially cuts something like 8 power from our combo kill, making it less likely to be lethal). As for Naru Meha, we can get in trouble if we happen to draw both, but in general we don't want to draw any. While we can combo with it naturally it takes a lot of mana.
Combo doesn't work without spark double because naru meha is legendary
Voltron decks seem really strong in Pioneer currently, but it might be because Seth rarely has room for much interaction in his strange brews?
And here I almost thought we were going Ghostly Flicker (which I realize isn't Pioneer legal) or Illusionist's Gambit (which is)...
You can use Gambit to win with Naru and Thassa's Oracle though, think that might be more powerful possibly.
Where is the cam?
Maybe this deck should run one more Ally to trigger the haste just in case.
I play this in historic but with Neoform. Shame we don't have Chasm Guide, would be really legit.
Nice! Yeah, giving everything haste is a nice way to finish the combo. Hopefully we get something like that in Historic in the future.
Would Cindervines fit this sideboard well?
Cindervines could be a good sideboard option, although because of Eldritch Evolution the more we can do with creatures the better. I think Reclamation Sage is better in the deck for killing an artifact or enchantment, so Cindervines would mostly be for Storm-style combo hate.
@@MTGGoldfish Thanks for responding. :) I was more thinking as a replacement for the renown creature.
would Finale of Devestation work in this deck as well? Add another redundancy card for eldrich evolution. This deck needs 5 to 7 Mana to go off anyway. The X Mana isn't much of a downfall in this deck.
Hmm I could see this deck being fine tuned maybe drop a few doublecasts and the Rals (one for another expansion because the alternate win con. With some more counters and control style pieces along with some fog effects for aggro I could see this deck being very splinter twin lite. Maybe run Shifting Ceratops over Questing beast I'm the sideboard.
looks cool but it would get crushed by control mid-range or inverter
Everything gets crushed by Inverter!
It's a 2 card combo that wins the game. It makes sense that it's consistent.
Melissa Grenier one can argue it’s a 3 card combo because of what you need to sacrifice to the Evo.
You need a creature to sac, a doubling spell or ability and eldritch evolution that is alot to ask for against discard or counters.
Zakana I understand that. I wasn't counting the creature because you should almost always have one. Sometimes that could be an issue but it's rare. By turn 5 on the play you should have the creature to sacrifice 97% of the time assuming no mulligans and no card selection (11 card sample). And I'm just talking about consistency not resilience so the creature getting killed isn't relevant to my comment. I know you need a creature but it feels silly to count that as a third piece when you have 15 of them to sacrifice (the deck has 21 creatures but I'm not counting naru meha or spark double).
Give me some benefit of the doubt. Of course I understood that you technically need a creature. That was a little too obvious to assume that I missed it.
So maybe: drop Ral Zarek, drop drawn from dreams drop borrower go 3 Risen Reef 3 The Royal Scions?
this deck has major thassa-inverter/splintertwin energy. buy the cards while they’re low.
What about doing this in Historic with Neoform?
Seems like it could work. Would have to adjust the support cards since Neoform needs a three-drop to sacrifice rather than a four-drop, but the actual combo should work about the same.
Elvish Rejuvenator to help out with the mana and sac as 3drop?
Thanks for the reply. I actually made a rudimentary version in historic. I’m using Rhythm of the Wild as a way to give Naru Meha Haste.
I really don't like the spoilers that you all started adding to the beginning of these videos...
Why doesnt the legend rule aply?
Spark Double makes the copy nonlegendary
Spark Double specifically makes a non-Legendary copy so you can copy legends. It wouldn't work with other Clones though.
Fun as Hell
Thats what i dont like about HS, the lack chat just irks me bc i love bantering back and forth w/ my opponents (part of the reason i hope MTG never goes full paperless bc i love my LGS and the small talk between plays)
The opponent can disrupt the combo by killing Naru Meha with the second evolution on the Stack ;)
Just grab your second one from the deck.
@@mrlescureahhh, because her Trigger to copy the last Evolution is already on the stack!!! :)
thanks!!
Yeah, the combo is actually pretty safe from one removal spell, as long as we still have our other Naru Meha in the deck (we can just get that instead of Spark Double and basically start over from the beginning). Counterspells on Eldritch Evolution to disrupt it though, or multiple removal spells.
Ned Ryerson! Ping!
Gonna add my voice to others I’ve seen. I really don’t care for the showing of game play during the deck tech and intro.
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Excellent content as always, but can you please stop beginning each video with a highlight from the video itself? It's quite annoying when I don't want the games to be spoiled.
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I hate it when in the videos you talk about your opponent saying how cool he is in chat and what not, and then never share the chat! #ShareTheChat
You can see most of that particular chat in the preview at the beginning of the vid -- but in general, yeah.
Yeah, I'll try to do that in the future, having it pop up on screen or something.
maybe unsubstantiate over borrower? just an idea.
There's a wizard in the original theros block that copies instants and sorceries,meletis charlatan
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Patrick Buerke yo is this Patrick Burke from Aurora?
@@79awinkler No, my fellow MTGGoldfish fan, it's Patrick Buerke from Pennsylvania
Welcome :)
I WANT ChAT ON ARENA
Theres a deck as degenerate as this holy crap!!! But then again we've seen worse