All she needed was d4. And that is i12 frames high crush. 1,2,2 was my fav -10 punisher. My go to after was d4. It only needed to happen twice before the player started to adjust...... Then its 1,2,2 into side step or just backdash or 1,2,2 into db4 to switch up the timing. 1,2,2 into df1 to float people tryna crush it, check people trying to low parry it. Df1 into d4. People will be looking to crush or low parry d4. They will not continue to get hit by it because its a stupid ugly low thats worthless. So they will adjust. When they adjust you adjust All she needed was d4. Used correctly it was all she needed.
If she ever returns, maybe she could get some of Kazumi's stuff to better round her up. Angel is kind of a lite Mishima, and Kazumi also has some of that DNA inside her but definitely has her own unique playstyle, so mixing them up could result in an interesting take on the archetype. Who knows?
The ONLY redeeming thing about her was that nearly every string was a wall combo and she had really good tag assault strings for most character pairings. I played her with Devil Jin for the double Wings, but Devil Kazuya was so much better.
Only issue with devil kazuya was losing some strong wr options but he was still great. It's a shame Angel didn't get mid wgf because then she'd have had something going for her giving up so much oki on everything. She had safe options but a lot of really shitty filler moves. I guess props to her for having the fastest high unblockable that was great for trolling online. She had zoning tools in a game that didn't favor it if you stuck a pizza on her back. Laser and pizza hitting mid became a legit mixup if you knocked someone down.
"The ONLY redeeming thing" lol you know Dr. B and True Ogre in this game have a 14f and 13f respectively frames fast df+1... and they both are much crappier than Angel. Hell I dare to say Angel is still quite decent compared to the likes of TTT2 Anna or Zafina lol. Yes she is the worst of the Mishimas in TTT2... yet still better than the bottom tier characters by a large margin... just because she still keeps her standard Mishima stuff unblemished.
@Leadblast If Angel is held up by her Mishima tools, she's got no redeeming qualities because you just play the better Mishimas. And the thing is, she wasn't even held up by those tools to a respectable level; she was kept from the absolute bottom by them. Take her electric, df2, f4, and u4 away from her and she has absolutely nothing noteworthy to justify a pick beyond the look. I used her and she had some really cool tag combos and a lot of her strings were natural, but every one of them was massively unsafe and often not even worth the risk. And despite being an angel, she sounded like a demon.
If you know anything about real demons, they work hard to hide their demonic qualities and angels show off their scariness to put fear in demons.@@shiekastate
To be fair. Shes my most favorite character in tekken and it makes me sad that shes forgotten. When i heared that Reina was a Mishima of some sort angel immediatly sprang to mind. I was hoping of some sort of rework and a redeeming of her of some sort, but i fear she will never ever leave the Vault of forgotten and never again playable characters again. Like gon or gunjack, sebastian and stuff... 😢
She has usually only been in Tag games since T2 but I think we have a chance in T8 seeing they are focusing more on characters like Claudio, Zafina, and Xiaoyu who want to help Jin get rid of the Devil Gene. What makes me most hopeful is the presence of Jun 😊
I played her a bunch despite people talking about how trash she is. You didnt even mention her standing 3. Yes its a bit slow compared to magic 4s but I cant really think of counterhit tool with such an amount of range. This move for me was the biggest advantage angel had over other Mishimas.
She's useless cause her fastest mid was 15 frames, means you could disrespect her frame plus.. On top of that her backdash was abysmal.. She was unplayable, I don't remember ever losing to her
@@JustAnte9557I mained a Angel/Yoshi team that was very good. I didn't even use ewgf. I used a lot of wavedash and hellsweep though. The cd4,4 version only. The wake up were very good because they were face up feet away on the ground. You had deep dash into another hell sweep, deep dash into d1. D1 hit grounded, was mid and safe and would counter hit get up kicks and tech rollers had to block it. That was by bread and butter. Just hellsweeps, and wavedash ws4s or df1s. Untill i knew they would duck tryna block a hellsweep then boom wavedash into ws2. Its really fun. Playing Mishimas is like gambling. But some are good at gambling and others are not.
@@JustAnte9557you can "disrespect" her plus frames, but a good Angel player can just keep on the defensive lol... it's not so easy as just "lemme disrespect her cus she has no 13f/14f mid" when she can just SS or punish your mistakes with EWGF or other launchers still.
Hear me out guys, this shows how limited T7 was I'm not sure if some of you guys noticed. She has some of Katarina's move animations We need someone to properly dissect T7 on how they cut their budget and used assets from TT2 and Tekken X Street Fighters
You mean Katarina has some of HER animations. Secondly people made a lot of videos about this. You can look back to earlier builds of tekken 7 and they had a ton of soul calibur assets reused and slightly edited. t7 is a much better game than it used to be for sure.
I know people won't see Angel a huge impact for Tekken modern but let's not forget the intro for Tekken 2 when she was there for kazuya while he was consumed with the Devil Gene and it's evil, She was the one with destiny to kill Shin Devil Kazuya instead of Jin
People always underrate Angel and overrate how bad her flaws are. Like the lack of 15f launcher it doesn't really come into play. There are less than 10 lows in TTT2 that are exactly -15 on block so that she might feel gimped compared to most chars when it comes to WS punishment. Her WS+1,4 being 14f instead of 13f is more of a problem than WS+2 not being 15f. Not having good backdash, not having real high crushes besides db+1 (generic low jab) and d+4. Her f+3 stance mixup is still serviceable, while by no means good, f+3,1 is a reliable safe mid that causes stun on CH, likewise f+3,3 guarantees uf+4~3 (this is 4~3 but 1 frame faster in case you're asking) on CH, and on normal hit both are plus frames, not too bad. Yes they both are slow but you can use these moves for a mixup on techrolling opponent and the like. She is the worst Mishima in TTT2 but don't let that fool you into thinking she's the absolute worst char in TTT2. I've played Anna, Zafina, Dr B, True Ogre... they all feel worse than Angel. Despite having faster mids and a functional backdash and such.
Her standing 3 gives a combo on counter, her df4 on counter pushes characters on their ass, whenever i did that i got df12 or ewgf with her guaranteed The db1+2 had an extension into b1+2 fist charge, her stance 4 is basically like Devil Jin ff4, safe amd pushback, stance 1 gave on counter a combo Also b4 on its own on a standing opponent that doesnt block, floats a character in the air if you jab immediately after it
You forgot to talk about d/f+1+2 which was like T7 Kazuya's d/b+2. A safe mid that knocks down into a guaranteed follow up. If the opponent tried to get up after it hits, they could be floated for a combo too.
I wonder who thought it was a nice idea to add a small delay to her stance before she could use her move ? Litterally almost the same reason why Tekken 5 Dragunov was bad
I have no idea what "WS 44 at i14" means I still desperately hope one day Angel makes a return. She was exactly the kind of female character I wanted to main for the longest time.
If they ever put Angel in Tekken 8, they should make her stronger or even just as balanced as Jin, Kazuya, and Devil Jin or at least have her become a sort of transformation for Jun in contrast to Kazuya story wise who doesn't want Jun's purification.
ngl i wouldn't mind seeing her in t8 if they fixed everything up and reduced that annoying voice. IMO she's the only true female mishima, and yes i'm counting reina as well but angel is really a mishima.
I wish they would bring her back for Tekken 8 and completely redo her moveset. For such a great character design she was given the worst moveset in all of tag 2 along with Bosconovich. Its disrespectful that Sebastian got a better moveset than her. All she needs is just some thought but im pretty sure they would rather bring back Ogre given we have Jun.
@@DarkShadow-hy6iq well, I can´t navigate my PS3 rn, don´t know what´s it´s problem, but it seems not to like my router and it certainly dislikes my LAN Cable xD Gotta try and make that work in the christmas hollydays xD
Ohh and all my tag combos with Angel/Yoshi did 70dmg. The health bar is only 140point of damage. So df1,2 db2, 2, df1+2 tag / Yoshi 1+2, 2,1+2 / Angel CD1 did 70. Ws2 same combo did 70. U4 same combo did 70dmg. All i needed was one df1,2 and i knew one more combo and they are dead. Angel was pretty good.
Lol Reina doesn't even have blonde hair. To say nothing of wings or her angel tiara lol. Besides, Reina is arrogant and smug asf. I don't think even Heihachi himself was at that level of smugness.
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Oh, and btw. She's the only char in the modern Tekken that doesn't have i13 or i14 mid poke. She only has it at i15.
Hoho you're back now ?
Kazuya? His DF4 got changed to 14f hadn't it
@@roamalot3000no it's 13
All she needed was d4. And that is i12 frames high crush.
1,2,2 was my fav -10 punisher. My go to after was d4. It only needed to happen twice before the player started to adjust......
Then its 1,2,2 into side step or just backdash or 1,2,2 into db4 to switch up the timing. 1,2,2 into df1 to float people tryna crush it, check people trying to low parry it.
Df1 into d4. People will be looking to crush or low parry d4. They will not continue to get hit by it because its a stupid ugly low thats worthless. So they will adjust. When they adjust you adjust
All she needed was d4. Used correctly it was all she needed.
@@MarcusDobson916 555t5
She might be useless but it's so nice to watch her tag combos with devil jin. It's like two birds teaming up against brawlers lol
so true
Indeed 👍👍
It just now dawned on me that Katarina straight-up stole Angel's idle stance from this game.
Lol you're slow. I remarked on that years ago.
@@Leadblastgood for you?
If she ever returns, maybe she could get some of Kazumi's stuff to better round her up. Angel is kind of a lite Mishima, and Kazumi also has some of that DNA inside her but definitely has her own unique playstyle, so mixing them up could result in an interesting take on the archetype. Who knows?
kazumi def got some mishima dna in her at one point
Kazumi honestly plays more like a safe bootleg Jinpachi. Then again, Mishima style is almost universal.
She needs to be redesigned a bit and made dlc in T8.
The ONLY redeeming thing about her was that nearly every string was a wall combo and she had really good tag assault strings for most character pairings.
I played her with Devil Jin for the double Wings, but Devil Kazuya was so much better.
Only issue with devil kazuya was losing some strong wr options but he was still great. It's a shame Angel didn't get mid wgf because then she'd have had something going for her giving up so much oki on everything. She had safe options but a lot of really shitty filler moves. I guess props to her for having the fastest high unblockable that was great for trolling online. She had zoning tools in a game that didn't favor it if you stuck a pizza on her back. Laser and pizza hitting mid became a legit mixup if you knocked someone down.
Nah, her custom options were fire too.
"The ONLY redeeming thing" lol you know Dr. B and True Ogre in this game have a 14f and 13f respectively frames fast df+1... and they both are much crappier than Angel. Hell I dare to say Angel is still quite decent compared to the likes of TTT2 Anna or Zafina lol. Yes she is the worst of the Mishimas in TTT2... yet still better than the bottom tier characters by a large margin... just because she still keeps her standard Mishima stuff unblemished.
@Leadblast If Angel is held up by her Mishima tools, she's got no redeeming qualities because you just play the better Mishimas. And the thing is, she wasn't even held up by those tools to a respectable level; she was kept from the absolute bottom by them. Take her electric, df2, f4, and u4 away from her and she has absolutely nothing noteworthy to justify a pick beyond the look.
I used her and she had some really cool tag combos and a lot of her strings were natural, but every one of them was massively unsafe and often not even worth the risk.
And despite being an angel, she sounded like a demon.
If you know anything about real demons, they work hard to hide their demonic qualities and angels show off their scariness to put fear in demons.@@shiekastate
With how devil always eclipsed angel in the tier lists, no matter the game, you might start to think that the tekken balancing team is satanic lol
haha true
I use angel online on ps3
I even beat genbu at disciple
I hope angel somehow shows up in tekken 8
Thanks for reminding me that reina is not the first female with electric (at least non canonically)
She could be canon
@@TheMainManJrt2 makes angle cannon
@@Tha-mountain I thought he meant reina
To be fair. Shes my most favorite character in tekken and it makes me sad that shes forgotten. When i heared that Reina was a Mishima of some sort angel immediatly sprang to mind. I was hoping of some sort of rework and a redeeming of her of some sort, but i fear she will never ever leave the Vault of forgotten and never again playable characters again. Like gon or gunjack, sebastian and stuff... 😢
She has usually only been in Tag games since T2 but I think we have a chance in T8 seeing they are focusing more on characters like Claudio, Zafina, and Xiaoyu who want to help Jin get rid of the Devil Gene. What makes me most hopeful is the presence of Jun 😊
she was such a beauty
I played her a bunch despite people talking about how trash she is. You didnt even mention her standing 3. Yes its a bit slow compared to magic 4s but I cant really think of counterhit tool with such an amount of range. This move for me was the biggest advantage angel had over other Mishimas.
She's useless cause her fastest mid was 15 frames, means you could disrespect her frame plus..
On top of that her backdash was abysmal..
She was unplayable, I don't remember ever losing to her
@@JustAnte9557damn. You had to add the roast at the end? 😂😂
@@JustAnte9557I mained a Angel/Yoshi team that was very good.
I didn't even use ewgf. I used a lot of wavedash and hellsweep though. The cd4,4 version only.
The wake up were very good because they were face up feet away on the ground. You had deep dash into another hell sweep, deep dash into d1. D1 hit grounded, was mid and safe and would counter hit get up kicks and tech rollers had to block it. That was by bread and butter. Just hellsweeps, and wavedash ws4s or df1s. Untill i knew they would duck tryna block a hellsweep then boom wavedash into ws2.
Its really fun. Playing Mishimas is like gambling. But some are good at gambling and others are not.
@@JustAnte9557you can "disrespect" her plus frames, but a good Angel player can just keep on the defensive lol... it's not so easy as just "lemme disrespect her cus she has no 13f/14f mid" when she can just SS or punish your mistakes with EWGF or other launchers still.
Hear me out guys, this shows how limited T7 was
I'm not sure if some of you guys noticed. She has some of Katarina's move animations
We need someone to properly dissect T7 on how they cut their budget and used assets from TT2 and Tekken X Street Fighters
You mean Katarina has some of HER animations. Secondly people made a lot of videos about this. You can look back to earlier builds of tekken 7 and they had a ton of soul calibur assets reused and slightly edited. t7 is a much better game than it used to be for sure.
@@marvelmediabruh he knows that same thing what henmeant in the end as if he doesnt know what comes first
@@djw_tekken8490 I guess you're right
@@Zero254tekken 7 is much better, you mean better than soul calibur 6?
Tekken 7 had smaller budget at the start of the development thanks to ttt2.
Too be fair i miss angel😢.
Now that we have Jun back, i really hope we get Angel back in Tekken 8❤😊
Angel has pure Mishima style while Reina looks like she learned the basics from watching the Internet loool
I know people won't see Angel a huge impact for Tekken modern but let's not forget the intro for Tekken 2 when she was there for kazuya while he was consumed with the Devil Gene and it's evil, She was the one with destiny to kill Shin Devil Kazuya instead of Jin
People always underrate Angel and overrate how bad her flaws are. Like the lack of 15f launcher it doesn't really come into play. There are less than 10 lows in TTT2 that are exactly -15 on block so that she might feel gimped compared to most chars when it comes to WS punishment. Her WS+1,4 being 14f instead of 13f is more of a problem than WS+2 not being 15f. Not having good backdash, not having real high crushes besides db+1 (generic low jab) and d+4. Her f+3 stance mixup is still serviceable, while by no means good, f+3,1 is a reliable safe mid that causes stun on CH, likewise f+3,3 guarantees uf+4~3 (this is 4~3 but 1 frame faster in case you're asking) on CH, and on normal hit both are plus frames, not too bad. Yes they both are slow but you can use these moves for a mixup on techrolling opponent and the like.
She is the worst Mishima in TTT2 but don't let that fool you into thinking she's the absolute worst char in TTT2. I've played Anna, Zafina, Dr B, True Ogre... they all feel worse than Angel. Despite having faster mids and a functional backdash and such.
Her standing 3 gives a combo on counter, her df4 on counter pushes characters on their ass, whenever i did that i got df12 or ewgf with her guaranteed
The db1+2 had an extension into b1+2 fist charge, her stance 4 is basically like Devil Jin ff4, safe amd pushback, stance 1 gave on counter a combo
Also b4 on its own on a standing opponent that doesnt block, floats a character in the air if you jab immediately after it
legit the sickest bound move ever though holy shit
Angel deserves a second chance in Tekken 8 now that we're gonna deal with Devil Reina.
Ah yes Angel and her tickle me elmo combos
You forgot to talk about d/f+1+2 which was like T7 Kazuya's d/b+2.
A safe mid that knocks down into a guaranteed follow up.
If the opponent tried to get up after it hits, they could be floated for a combo too.
But her voice is biblical accurate
What does the bible say about Angels' voices?
Just when I returned to Tekken 7 after a good while. And even more surprising, literally just when I was reminiscing about TTT2!
Her Ki-Charge is awesome.
I use it often
I wish Angel back in Tekken 8
Must be a tough job to be the mishimas guardian angel
2:03 is it just me or this move is similar to Azucena's F+2 1 4 right?
If Angel is a DLC character in 8 I'll be so happy
One of my favorite Tekken characters... am I the only one? lol
Yes ._.
Nope
I wonder who thought it was a nice idea to add a small delay to her stance before she could use her move ? Litterally almost the same reason why Tekken 5 Dragunov was bad
haha true
Oh, and she has the worst back dash in the game. Kinda wack considering that Angel is a clone of a character that RELIES ON MOVING.
It would be cool if she had relevance in the story again lol
DF4 middle kick counter hit has very good
Despite being the worst mishima In the game I think as an overall character she's not bad in this game
I don't care how bad she is. Angel is still my favorite Mishima character to play and I'd unironically welcome her addition to Tekken 8
I think they made her if you wanted to play 2 Devil Jins, so they made her weak to balance it out.
She is not even weak.
her ws4 would sometimes register as 12 frame which make her ws options definitively worse than all the mishimas
usually mishimas are really good at punishing the opponent but not the case with her
What? Angel WS+4 as 12f instead of 11f? I main her and I've never ever seen that myself.
Can you mention when does that happen?
@@Leadblast i think it happen when you land it at tip range, could be cause of her different animation idk
can you make a video on roger jnr or alex ?
I've made a video on Tekken 5 Roger jr
search it on youtube
I think she looks better mishima than Riena, also from the moves more useful than current devil Jin
current devil jin is stronger than her
Yo, imagine if Reina ends up being the "Angel" to Kazuya's "Devil"
That would certainly make her interesting and not just Mishima Asuka
I was thinking the same thing since they had said Reina's theme was duality.
Still better than Tag 1 Prototype Jack
I hope they release TTT2 Remastered for PS5/PC 🔥
Her jab DEF wasnt better than devil jins
She is certainly the most beautiful. 😍
I have no idea what "WS 44 at i14" means
I still desperately hope one day Angel makes a return. She was exactly the kind of female character I wanted to main for the longest time.
WS 44 at i14 means that her move called Tsunami Kick (or Heel Cutter for me) has a 14-frame startup.
Before reina there was angel.
Angel is still here ps3 online 2024
People: They have a j13 and a ff33
Me: I dunno what the fuck this terminology is I just came to beat ass
à l'époque j'avais beaucoup joué angel avec kazuya mais comme elle n'était pas assez forte, j'ai joué les autres Mishima.
If they ever put Angel in Tekken 8, they should make her stronger or even just as balanced as Jin, Kazuya, and Devil Jin or at least have her become a sort of transformation for Jun in contrast to Kazuya story wise who doesn't want Jun's purification.
I would prefer unknown than angel tbh
ngl i wouldn't mind seeing her in t8 if they fixed everything up and reduced that annoying voice. IMO she's the only true female mishima, and yes i'm counting reina as well but angel is really a mishima.
I wish they would bring her back for Tekken 8 and completely redo her moveset. For such a great character design she was given the worst moveset in all of tag 2 along with Bosconovich. Its disrespectful that Sebastian got a better moveset than her. All she needs is just some thought but im pretty sure they would rather bring back Ogre given we have Jun.
I hope Reina isn't as useless as Tag 2 Angel
Main reason she was trash was because she had the worst backdash in the game, makes t8 even look good lol
She can be a glass cannon
Useless but also the only character I got the highest rank 💀
Reina has a lot of slack to pick up.
Wish I knew how to get her. I´m too stupid to install the DLC, if et exists still...
Can't you just update your game?
@@DarkShadow-hy6iq well, I can´t navigate my PS3 rn, don´t know what´s it´s problem, but it seems not to like my router and it certainly dislikes my LAN Cable xD Gotta try and make that work in the christmas hollydays xD
@@dariuswoznica3498 damn
@@dariuswoznica3498 use wifi connection
Anyone want to play some ttt2?
I would prefer this than devil jin
1:50 🗿
Aww.
Ohh and all my tag combos with Angel/Yoshi did 70dmg. The health bar is only 140point of damage.
So df1,2 db2, 2, df1+2 tag / Yoshi 1+2, 2,1+2 / Angel CD1 did 70.
Ws2 same combo did 70.
U4 same combo did 70dmg.
All i needed was one df1,2 and i knew one more combo and they are dead. Angel was pretty good.
Fck the hate im still playing this over T7/T8 anyday
there’s no reason to use her over DVJ
true
Aint she the good part of Kazuya?
Yah, no wonder she's weak and useless lol
Useless ? Bullshit. She have 3 secret moves.
Useless?.......it depends on how you use it.🤷🏻♂️
O:46 this is heihachi DF12 from old games.
What’s up with the annoying voice effects when she attacks. Is that a mod or how she sounds in game.
It's how she actually sounds in game
She is not weak. I challange u ALL on ps3. Bring it on.
Most Beautiful? She got nothing on my sweet Reina-chaan😂
Lol Reina doesn't even have blonde hair. To say nothing of wings or her angel tiara lol. Besides, Reina is arrogant and smug asf. I don't think even Heihachi himself was at that level of smugness.
fk the devs for ruining her.
Facts could easily be a fan fav and they want to tarnish her 🤦🏾♂️
They honestly butchered a lot of characters in this game tbf
Goofy ahh wavedash
All wavedashes look like that.
@@Leadblast Nah bro they have they fists up when the Mishimas do it, this girl just puts it in her waists
@@ambasing69she gotta get real with that girly pose._.
Reina at home:
:D
Ah yes, the most useless Mishima 😅
Ah yes, the most useless Mishima.
angel is not a good looking character, and a bad character in general
Her animations are pretty bad too
Ah yes, the most useless Mishima.