Mbeki's tribal line voting remarks disappointing - Phungula
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2024
- Former president Thabo Mbeki made remarks on KZN voters voting along
tribal lines. Political analyst Mpumelelo Phungula says it's disappointing and careless for leaders to make such unfounded comments.
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mbeki ihas always despised the ZULU people.
When did he express that sentiment?
Thabo Mbheki is a known tribalist who contributes to divisions in the ANC. He must distance himself from election campaigns, he is out of order.
And love you our zombo brothers.
@@bongamawela6339he's got grudge against Thibos because they keep on blaming him for their ineptitude of allowing zanu to stay in power instead of fighting until they get rid of zanu.
I'm glad someone said this😂 It's not a new thing with Mbheki. Those who know, know this 🥂 Mbheki is not the intellectual they say he is because he's emotional and personal when it comes to certain issues. He's against land expropriation because he doesn't like Malema and he's back campaigning for ANC after he's admitted it's corrupt simply because he's settling a personal score with Zuma😂😂😂😭
I think if KZN was not neglected the past five years by ANC then we wouldn't be having the MK Tsumani. It has nothing to do with tribalism, but everything to do with service delivery! The same people who accuse others of tribalism are the biggest tribalist ever!
Neglected by the ANC? You are full of jokes
What you mean by JZN being neglected? What was happening up to 2018 that stopped after that?
What they can not accept is that Zuma is just extra ordinary vhuman being they can not swalow that..the man is jus brilliant.there are so many Zulus in various leadership areas but people love Zuma as a person.is that difficult to understand?if it's about tribe why are they not after Mkhize?
Mbeki uyahlanya people are going to vote for who they want to vote for not his nonsense.
Mbeki made a mistake coming back to sing the ANC tune. He had started gaining the people’s trust when he showed signs of having a pair between his legs by calling out the ANC and Ramaphosa’s Administration which was very due.
His departure from mainstream political activism was at a time when he had a huge dark cloud over his head due to his seeming obsession with JZ and his tenure was tarnished by the AIDS denialism.
He should have stayed in the gutters or atleast spoke the truth. At his age, he does not hope to get a position still or am I wrong?
We are still yet to speak of how he sold out the country snd fellow Africans during the Apartheid era.
Just shush! Mk minion.
Thabo is the biggest tribalist alive. The first president to call his comrade Zulu boy.
Are you deliberate on your lying or little information, because the 100% Zulu boy slogans came on the campaign trail to Polokwane, the burning of ANC T-shirts with Mbeki face all those shenanigans came that time, and we all know ANC got big a block with the emergence of Zuma even ne IFP kumhla ngazange ilibone
Yes neva trust a comrade
@@thembanimgenu190 Go read the spy tapes transcripts. Conversations between Bulelani Ngcuka, Leonard MC Carthy, Saki Macozoma and Thabo Mbeki.
@@thembanimgenu190 Go read the spy tapes transcripts. Conversations between Bulelani Ngcuka, Leonard MC Carthy, Saki Macozoma and Thabo Mbeki.
why are you lying?
Mbeki is trying to be popular.
Some people do not want the truth. The tribal and race voting line is the norm in South Africa.
It's true we need to deal with tribalism from the onset otherwise it will haunt this country....
Stop being a crying baby 👶 if people has ran out of ideas of campaigning they should just stay home and shut up not this talking trash
Thabo Mbeki has lost his credibiity on the land issue, now this. campaining has nothing to do with tribalism. You just need to convince people. President Zuma is the People`s President.
No president Mbeki is the peoples president. Zuma is a convicted criminal.
People of KZN, yes I agree.
Imagine the desperation to gain votes, it is announced that LP is looking at giving 80% of their vote to ANC because of the Venda president, and the Zulus can’t give the Mk 80% just cause they have more numbers than LP, ningazodakwa nina
LP has been giving ANC outright majority before a venda president
Why mbeki himself became president after Mandela who's also Xhosa
And he was hand picked by Mandela which was unprecedented in the ANC culture.
President Mbeki is the best the ANC ever produced in this democratic nation.
@@gambu4810 True but the HIV-AIDS saga caused a lot of problems for our people, In fact most died because of his decisions. He was too academic while our people were dying.
@@victormkhaliphi2778But you are criticizing Ramaphosa for throwing R500 billion into the Covid-19 pandemic this time around. Ramaphosa chose not to be academic about the pandemic and throw every cent the state has at it, youall still criticized him. Mbeki refused to throw every cent the country has on HIV you also criticized him. Must be nice being an arm chair presidential analyst.
@gambu4810 Cyril failed to manage the pandemic. President Mbeki is my favorite, but he failed to deal with the HIV/AIDS issue because he lacks the emotional attachment to the people of South Africa.
What he is doing really is unfair and uncalled for from where I'm standing. So he's basically saying people must vote for Cyril even though he's dismally failing the country 🤔
As long as one tribe does not force other 14 or 15 tribes to agree with what they want, the 14 other tribes must not force the one tribe to like what it likes or to vote for who they vote.
Aw now the Mbeki regime has ran out of ideas.. sebeyabhibhidla manje why did he come back cz he did say he's not going to compain 4 ANC
He just came back to help steal more and lie, that is the mandate.
It's an insult to SAn masses,especially Blacks. Does he mean that Blacks do not vote independently. Mbeki said Expropriation of Land Without Compensation is not ANC policy. Blacks cannot vote for Landlessness.
Own goal to the ANC
those who are saying Mbeki is wrong, let us see if IFP can win the Eastern cape or Freestate
You can check but is the IFP even campaigning in EC I haven't seen a single placard of the IFP here in Mthatha, your point is mute at the moment.
IFP doesn't exist anywhere outside KZN, they only get votes outside KZN from zulus who migrated to Gauteng and that's a very small number...
Even in KZN where they claim to dominate, currently they only have just above 18% for a party that dominates 😩😩😩😭😭😭😭 I don't see them getting anything more than 25% even if they grow in that province 💯🤞
Only 14 days left, ConCourt must just retain electoral court ruling so that elections go ahead and let section 47 to parliament and that elections will go ahead as planned.
It's insult to SA, especially Black people. People vote independently.
It's not about ifp . It's about a black anc president joining that shit kathrada thing of zuma must fall
You can do better than this, don't defend an old man showing people that his in his last dying kick of the horse
ANC must kiss KZN goodbye 👋
This is dangerous.these guys are playing tribal card.very dangerous
The inevitable breakup of South Africa.
For sure, SA is on the way to balkanise as it is inevitable within this tribal society and quite frankly it would be a good thing. The ANC and this notion of centralised rule needs to stop so that smaller communities can rule over themselves and build better outcomes for themselves, detached from the cannibalisation of the ANC.
Why are you here
Keep dreaming...
@@nathimthembu1199 But the borders of South Africa was drawn by those evil colonialists. Surely all trace of colonialism must be aboloshed?
But there's nothing wrong with that statement
It's an insult to the people of SA. Does he mean that people don't chose independently?
Yah there's nothing wrong to people like u who never think but just write on social media without critical thinking
It's time for these old people to leave our political system alone we want fresh and new ideas not political party unsolved disputes to affect our lives.
He is dillussional , a denialist
It's a fact kzn when it comes to politics they need serious political education. Period
Vote MK 💚
If IFP wants to be a Zulu party I think that's their perrogative..FFP is happy with a boere vote only. The ANC however can't afford these divisions.. they'll get weaker
Tell people not to be tribalist while he is a tribalist himself, who can tell us why he hate Zuma, so much it's clear because he is Zulu, not a Xhosa,,rubbish mbeki
@ superflyphones9058 guys Mbeki and Mandela are not Xhosa. Read the book by mark gevisser titled the dream deferred. Mbeki does mention he is of the Mfengu. The Mfengu are not Xhosa but they were assimilated into the Xhosa. Mandela he is of the Kalanga and many call them Abathembu.
Mbeki has undermined Zuma for years is now turning to the Zulu nation Mbeki jy gaan kak, uzakunya kwedini, have u ever told whites the same? Ungasiinyeli wena mnqundu.
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That kind of talk has destroyed Africa.pitting blacks against one another
Reading comments from analysts here gives me exactly what is likely to happen, it looks like ANC is dying a painful death particularly in KZN and denialists are even defending Mbeki's comments , Thabo Mbeki himself cannot believe that his party's ANC destruction of RSA is slowly coming to an end
And what is the alternative to the ANC?
Akafuni Kuya ezulwini uhlupha LA
I don't take Mbeki serious even
Mbaks is better than him this days
Some opinions are better off when they're kept within one's self. 🤔
President Mbeki believes that the majority of the Zulu nation might vote for the MKP because of President Zuma's association with the party. But he really shouldn't have voiced out that opinion. 🤷♂️
Truth hurts
Wena self you are mad. When Mbeki is talking about people he is not talking about you. He is talking about normal people who understand that people are people. Not this tribalist Zuluboy Zuma. There are a lot of normal people in KZN who fully understand that they are part of South African society.Not this madness of Zulu nationalism that Jacob is displaying openly. He said he is was surprised that the people in Etekwini could sing" Ramaphosa reorata kaofela. Mbeki was just stating the fact that not all Zulu people are tribalist. That is a fact and you can't change it. Not all Zulu people are tribalist whether you like it or not. And they are very proud to be part of the South African community with its diversity. Wena you speak as if you speak on behalf of all Zulu people and you are delusional. Hamba 😂😂😂😮
It's tribal when mbeki says it, but when it's Zuma pride. Interesting.
Firstly, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out the ANC is leaning towards Limpopo, in fact SA Politics today is even more tribal. Secondly, Zulu politicians have been isolated and ignored recently in the ANC, it's safe to say this current ANC is split along tribal lines. Mbeki is out of touch, he should have stayed in retirement.
Limpopo is not a tribe 😂
There's more nguni speaking leader s in the ANC than any other tribes
@@africaiswealthy.africanson5072 And many of the leaders that have been recently outed or left the party are? ...
@@lebo3793 I don't wanna go into details, but the only people shining in the ANC are from some kind of tribe in Limpopo. Remember Limpopo doesn't have one king like KZN, they can be from any tribe in limpopo.
Its Ramaphosas teachings
Mbeki never said that infact he said the opposite
Thabo Mbeki is campaigning for MK 😂
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Mbeki has always been confused..he calls the anc a corrupt party , next his campaigning for the anc ...
Those he said we're corrupt left to open their political parties, that is Why he came back to campaign 😂😂😂
A thief is never satisfied that's why some will even go pray in church during elections.
We don't care about Mbeki, now is time for Mk to bring back equality and stable economy. My vote is for MK party nothing else.
It came to his awareness that if ANC loses he's going to lose some benefits as former president of ANC.
Usasihudela namanje
Trying to listen to analysis I didn't hear a single fact so far
Mbeki is old,confused and jaded 😂anc is crooked proxy confused just like its leaders😂
But why are we pretending like there’s no truth to this?
i don't feel he said anything wrong. there is and has been voting along tribal lines. my problem is the narrative being created that this is unique to KZN or amaZulu and the over exaggeration of the role of tribalism in particular in kzn choosing a party. in KZN people are concerned and unhappy about more important things like everyone else around the country. tribalism is no as high up the list as it is being made out to be
All of them combined will never be half the man Zuma is
Where's the lie 😂
Kwanani nidakiwe
Word salad
E cape ppl have been voting tribal for anc 😂but their province is the least developed and most corrupt
But Mbeki was disagreeing with the notion that people of KZN vote according to tribal lines. I think he was misunderstood.
Exactly and the misunderstanding is intentional
Haibo! Also saw a clip where he was disagreeing with that statement..
Jacob Zuma's footprint is in KZN, some people calling him 100% Zulu boy, Thabo Mbeki is not a blinkered minded politician .
Savelelwa bavele basilethela umuntu ozobhibhidla angahlali odabeni olwenza abantu bayizonde ANC in kzn, eqinisweni amanxeba asavusa and ngeke avaleke singakaboni Ramaphosa eboshelwa amacala akhe, Nokuthi umthetho wase SA unamehlo ngoba uyakwazi ukubopha umuntu Onjengozuma engazange alithole ithuba lokuzikhulumela enkhanto, Abasale nendlu yabo edilikayo
KZN has always voted according tribal lines, northern KZN in particular.
That’s nonsensical. Data shows that KZN north is the most politically fluid regions. North KZN has been led by the IFP, NFP and ANC. Which shows people are willing to change their votes. Of the rural provinces KZN is the most politically vibrant unlike say Limpopo and EC where the ANC has received almost 90% since 94.
You Eastern cape people are the biggest tribalist in the country, we KZN people don't care about you all, you talk about us all the time but we don't pay no attention to you, so leave us alone!
Then IFP would have never came out of power
Remember ANC was established by the Zulu people and it was blessed by king Dinuzulu.
So what?
Zulus don't like IFP. They were voting it during Mandela and Mbeki. When Zuma takes reign at ANC they quickly quit IFP
But Thabo Mbeki was answering a question by a reporter if people in KZN vote according to who is the face of the ANC. He answered and said that is not true. People of KZN vote because of what the ANC entails for them rather than the face or tribalistic lines.
Guys Xoli and his analyst are confusing everything.
SIFE/Enactors UKZN alumni….
People don’t like the truth. Demographics play a party in politics. DA does well in Western Cape because the ethnic game favours them. Ethnic tensions and ethnic mobilisation is a reality. Mandela and Mbeki as popular and electorally successful as they were did not win KZN until Zuma came into power. That didn’t translate in other provinces outside Gauteng. It’s not long ago Ramaphosa was decrying tribalism in Vuwani in Limpopo over new merged municipality LIM 345. Let’s not forget what happened at the late Zulu King Goodwill Zwelithini’s memorial in Nongoma when the state President had to be whisked away because unruly regiments did not take kindly to a Venda person in their ‘affairs’.
there is no truth in this statement, during Mbeki"s time as a president, Sbu Ndebele was the premier of KZN because ANC had won the majority votes in KZN
@@DUMISANIMTSHIPULA we can deny ethno-nationalism and tribal undertones and overtones in politrics all we want but the numbers tell a story. S’bu was Premier in a coalition arrangement because ANC did not win the province outright they were the biggest party. I reiterate not Mandela or Mbeki as electorally successful & iconic as they are did not win KZN. Ramaphosa’s is losing it too.
In 1994 ANC had 32% of the KZN vote
In 1999 ANC had 39% of the KZN vote
In 2004 ANC had 47% of the KZN vote
In 2009 ANC had 63% of the KZN vote
In 2014 ANC had 65% of the KZN vote
In 2019 ANC had 54% of the KZN vote
In 2024 ANC might be back to 1994 or 1999 levels.
TM is confused
This so-called analyst contradicts himself
Mbeki did nothing wrong here
It simple, most of those potential MK supporters are only supporting Zuma because he is Zulu. No one in his right mind can despise ANC, but praise JZ. They are cut from the same cloth - if ANC has failed people in the 30 years in power, JZ has been in the top leadership of ANC for all those years.
Mbeki's comment itself is tribal, and is very telling about him as a character. The insinuation that when Zulus vote for a party led by a Zulu is a testimony of their tribalism, is indicative of how far Mbeki can go in being disingenuous and dishonest. KZN supported ANC when it was led by Mbeki, a non-Zulu, and even in the first national election of Ramaphosa, another non-Zulu, albeit he had allegedly taken over the leadership of ANC corruptly. Yet, it is indisputable that when Zuma, a Zulu, led ANC, the votes for ANC dramatically declined in Mbeki's home Province of the Eastern Cape, especially in PE, at the behest of Mbeki himself, who urged his tribesmen not to vote for ANC but COPE or any other party for that matter. He even openly refused to campaign for ANC then. Using his line of reasoning, wasn't he, together with his tribesmen, being tribalistic; or does he intend to mean that no Zulu person deserves to be voted for on the basis of the merit that the people see in him or her?
Under Zuma for first time ANC lost Western Cape, lost 3 Metro's, including University's EFF took it from Sasco.
So what, ANC lost gauteng under Ramaphosa what does that mean???? Anc under Ramaphosa won KZN what does that mean about people in kzn musani ukukhuluma ukudakwa lapha
Mbeki has always been a tribalist
Mbeki was never a tribalist, ever!
@@bongamawela6339 his leaked audio's n emails proves he was n will always be one
Ur analysis is lieng, ,KZN wasn't a best,it was falling down , they took nkostart and u Mzikhululu,Matatiel to boost KZN.
President Mbeki 's statement is correct. His remarks were perfectly born out of statistics. MK is always Zulu. Rallies, IFP is always Zulu rallies. I'm a Zulu man myself but why should I shy away from the truth? Zuma looting was only in KZN and Gauteng in Zulu dominated areas.
U a nothing but a pathetic bot not a human being
Looting was ocastrated by Rama n Cele those are not zulus
@@sbudalozwide3498 Cele is a Zulu man. Izithakazelo zakhe uNdosi, Magaye kaDubandlela. Ramaphosa wouldn't cause an insurection on the state he presides over. The current MK members are the ones who led the looting.
Cele may have zulu surname but he is not Zulus cant be puppets...The aim of unrest was tl potray Zuma as the bad person and that is why police did not stop the unrest even sandf because they were instructed to do so by cele n Rama highest authority no police was charged for not stopping people...only few were arrested after it had stop ama scape goats
Dankiwe wena Ngisho ANC yaqalwa amazulu. Ufuna indiku nje
Mbeki is right,Mk party is pushed along tribal lines.
Ziyakushiya Ramaphosa is president bcos venda people voted him ingqondo ingabi ncane hlakaniphani mbeki was voted by Xhosa people only
But you don't talk about the DA when they want Cape independence.
@@sbudalozwide3498 venda people are minority. To be president the whole country must vote for you.
You people just want a zulu president
@@sbongokuhlealex5357 kzn can ask for independence also seeing you only want president from your province
@@sbongokuhlealex5357 kzn can ask for independence also seeing you only want president from your province
Mbeki has undermined Zuma for years is now turning to the Zulu nation Mbeki jy gaan kak, uzakunya kwedini, have u ever told whites the same? Ungasiinyeli wena mnqundu.
yazi wena ungunodoli uyiplastic