Tim Duncan arguably had a greater career than Kobe Bryant … Tim is HIM 👀 | Run Your Race
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0:00 - Why the Spurs were so great
4:50 - Tim Duncan is HIM - Спорт
Tim Duncan had a lot to say without saying a word, that’s how great he was
He let his playing do the talking.
I'll say it again. Tim Duncan won the first title after Michael Jordan and the last title before Steph Curry. He was the link between the Grindy 90's and Pace-and-Space.
PREACH!!! Especially when you consider the fact that those GSW teams played very similar ball to that 2014 Spurs team.
They started the pace & space!!!!
Don’t forget the admiral!!!
The fact yall gave Timmy his due made me a a subscriber
Same
same
Ditto
"Tim Duncan, bro." That says it all.
Norris Cole is a solid dude man, always says positive stuff about others and respectfully criticises players and shuts down disrespect from other people about other players 🙌
2014 Spurs Was The Greatest Display Of Team Ball Movement I’ve Ever Seen By Far… 2016 Warriors Are A Close 2nd But San Antonio Is Unmatched
Yeah man, that bench was supreme! I loved Boris Diaw on that team
@@tysonmihaere2233 One Of My All Time Favorite Players… Off The Bench With Manu, Boris, Patty, Belinelli, Bonner Etc Was Crazy
Bird Celtics showtime Lakers
ABSOLUTELY unmatched.. that was peak basketball that might never happen again this century..
3s
midrange
post game
cutting
ball movement
every player gave effort on defense
rebounding
second chance plays
no ego
high iq
with a little sprinkle of some highlight dunks from manu and kawhi.. i mean it was all of basketball in one team..
@@tysonmihaere2233Boris diaw was guarding the so called goat 1-1 that series in 2012-2013 for some strange reason in game 7 pop switched and put kwahi on him but before that diaw was locking lebron up
I'm so glad to hear more players talk about how tough a player he was. I hate trying to argue this to ppl who really don't know the game
It’s exhausting.
In the era of Kobe, i can almost guarantee he only ever looked at one team, one player, every year and thought.... he's a threat. He's the ONLY threat. Tim and the Spurs
Kobe was also very impressed with and had a lot to say about Manu Ginobili... I remember Kobe saying that Manu was one "badass man” and that Manu was his favorite player to watch!
Team yeah, but Kobe had some heat in the west.
From 03-09 the spurs didn’t win every championship and Kobe didn’t lose every finals actually didn’t go at all
no. Kobe even said beating the Celtics was the highlight for him
@thespacesbetweenstudio3346 Yeah, because it was the first time he won without shaq, but to be honest, Paul Gasol should have won the finals mvp. Paul was playing great. Kobe was horrible in the last game too. Paul Gasol was playing great in that game 7. They just gave it to Kobe because they didn't want him to cry again
Tim Duncan best pf all time. Most defensive teams. No egos. Best coach.
no hes not
@@user-ds1fd2rm4p yes he is. Who is better
@@user-ds1fd2rm4p CAP. Who is better?
Kobe always said he would have more rings if it wasn’t for the spurs. Lakers wasted some of Kobe years after Shaq left until they got Pau.
That doesn’t make Tim better it just makes his team situation better. Tim got to start as a rookie. Kobe didn’t so he missed out on some very important developmental growth that comes from in game participation. Tim is arguably the greatest PF to ever play and deserves all of his accolades and championships. There is always a counter part or point to everything we do. That Yin-Yang thing. Let’s not forget Pop is also the one that made taking nights off a popular thing to do. No one is saying Tim isn’t the man Kobe is as well and for my taste I take Kobe over everyone else every time
@@Kommunik8Moor don’t use that argument for Kobe when Tim went through the same thing. Kobe’s 2005-2007 is what Tim went through from 2000-2002. Tim wins a championship and then he still had to play with his mediocre roster while Shaq and Kobe ran the league. If Tim had another superstar next to him Lakers are not three peating.
@@marcuscastillo514 ok last I checked Robinson Parker Bowen were there the latter coming in 2001. So when was it he had this bad roster of players. I understand if truth has no place in your argument. You love Tim Duncan as a player. Cool
Parker wasn't an all star player until 2006. Robinson was declining during Duncan's prime. Bowen is a good role player.
@@Kommunik8Moor Robinson was broken and still good, but not a superstar anymore. Tony was a rookie in 02. Manu was a rookie in 03. Timmy was carrying that team on his back until Manu and Tony really figured things out in 04-05.
Tony Parker Eee - Eee - Eee 😂😂
Huh?
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Nah you wild for that one unk
Gettin to the basket with the quickness lol
Tim Duncan was him... even in his later years he was him...
S/O to Norris Cole for giving the big fundamental his flowers because people be having him fucked up comparing guys like AD & Jokic to him
Timmy is the goat pf for sure. But the fact that you put Jokic and AD in the same line is disrespectful.
Jokic is on pace to surpass Olajuwon and Shaq. I am not sure Tim Duncan due to the longevity but the others are within reach
@@johnbarkley925He Ain’t Passing Dream And Damn Sure Ain’t Passing Shaq. Like Seriously What Yall On Just Stats?
@@demasceionbyrd3776
In the Shaq Vs Jokic comparison I want to remind you that Shaq is just a better rim attacker and shot blocker. they are equal rebounders.
Jokic is arguably a better post scorer, shooter from anywhere, passer, playmaker, IQ, leader, clutch, floor raiser.
Jokic is essentially a 6'11 souped up LeBron James with more skill.
Shaq's dominance didn't prevent him from getting swept or gentleman swept repeatedly with a great roster around him. It was only when he played with a top 3 player in the world (Kobe) and a 6 time champion coach (Phil) that he was able to truly dominate in the biggest stage.
He couldn't bring a title to the team that drafted him.
Also the refs, it has been reported, rigged the series against Portland and Sacramento to help the Lakers threepeat.
@@demasceionbyrd3776Jokic on pace to get 4 or 5 MVPs, Shaq and Hakeem each only have one
@@demasceionbyrd3776 I don't think AD and Jokic are on the same level I'm just saying those are the players people compare to him
Tim Duncan is that guy. IF he (the Spurs) would have won that first year against Miami(the Ray Allen shot), we legitimately would have to put Timmy in the “conversation” of GOAT
If Tim was in the game during that play Allen never gets his chance at that shot. Biggest mistake in Pops career. Timmy gets that rebound 100 times out of 100.
@@jwc7215It literally made no sense to sub Duncan out at that point. If anything he should have been on court to celebrate the title.
2014 Spurs can arguably be considered one of the best NBA teams ever!
Ever!
You know what's the craziest thing ever they had 0 PRIME players that year.
People remember Kobe more because he played the media game, enjoyed fame. Duncan just got on with winning and staying out of the limelight.
Kobe had the scorers mentality which is the most flashiest style of play. That's why people like him more than TD. But Duncan was definitely tough to beat.
The media used to hate kobe lol
@@swam2922 when?
@@texaspete33 wym since he was in the league after the whole shaq stuff and the case kobe was just that good that he got over all that stuff they was calling him a ball hog all types of Shit in his prime stop it
@swam2922 the Shaq stuff was his fault. He ratted out Shaq to the police and tried to deny it. Also he raped someone. So I think it's justified. He bought it on himself.
These players give way way better analysis than anything Stephen A, skip Bayless or any other media member can provide
& he still wrong
And that’s why they hate player podcast because we’d rather listen to this
Its funny that every player that played against Timmy especially in the playoffs says he was a monster but a bunch of fans say he was a role player in a good system.
people forget that Tim won his first title with a completely different team. You had Avery Johnson, steve kerr , Sean Elliot, malik rose, antonio daniels, david robinson, jaren jackson,will perdu, brandon williams, andrew gaze, mario elie, gerald king and jerome kersey.
The Spurs kept a roster for Tim!
That was a great team the twin towers were a beast. Tf you talking about?
Their ball movement was awesome! Unselfish Basketball! 🏀
Tim definitely has more accolades
Spurs fan 100. The Kobe and Tim era was one for the ages. Much respect to the Black Mamba!!!! Tim deserves the accolades equally with Kobe. Even though Tim couldn't care less. Spurs fans want it more than he does. Great video.
My boy was great from day one from H.S. old field house usvi comrad vs charlotte amalie HS 1986 to wakeforest. He was niceee from day 1.
That spurs team was DANGEROUS!
I don’t know how this ever became an argument, Duncan was and had a better career the Kobe, it’s not an insult, just a fact
Then you should have no problem putting Tim over Bron then if there's no argument at all for Kobe over Tim
As a Kobe guy myself, saying Duncan was arguably better than Kobe shouldn’t sound like a hot take. There’s a pretty strong case than can be made.
Edit: I'm not saying Duncan was better than Kobe, just that a very strong argument can be made for Duncan.
Before Kobe died it was a common opinion.
@@MRC325 Before Kobe died all players/coaches/GMs all had MJ and Kobe in their top 2... now he's gone Lebuster came to LA and this media run says it all... After Shaq left, Kobe went to 3 straight finals in the toughest Western Conference the league had in decades with ZERO top 75 players on his team and WON 2 BACK TO BACK. Tim even has Kobe above him but was fasho the BEST PF next to Bosh n Stoudemire during those times. Meanwhile, LeBuster couldn't make the finals without a top 75 teammate in the EASIEST Eastern Conference in YEARS. After Kobe won his 5th, Dwade, LeJealous and Bosh called each other up on sum HOE SHIT to team up and still has 6 finals losses only 4 wins in 21 years... only 1 reason why LePeon would come to LA after Kobe retires... This LeBitch media run recently aint brainwashing me DHZ🗣 WE KNOW THE TRUTH💯THE TRUTH HURTS🤣Bronsexuals here they come 😎😢
@@MRC325 no it was not and still isn’t. Kobe has always been viewed higher by players.
@@bankster3844 Who cares about that, fans, media, etc used to have Kobe in the bottom half of top 10’s, some didn’t even do that. Once the tragedy happened he’s all of a sudden in top 5’s and top 3’s.
@MRC325 I fw Kobe but you're right.
This was a great analysis. Enjoyed listening to you two translating the game to someone like me.
Hell yea i appreciate the love Cole showed my Spurs nd my boi Timmy Timmy will forever be my 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐 🐐
Tim Duncan is the greatest to play his position kobe is second greatest for his position that sums it up
If you accept.the lie that he was the power forward. Or he is the 5th best center...
@@marquesmurrayyou keep lying to yourself that he’s not the best PF to play
facts
Crazy af that Timmy never won a dpoy
A blight on the NBA for sure.
Its really not a debate on who had the better career it was clearly tim duncan
Both 5 rings Kobe went to more 1 more finals more scoring titles 12 1st defensive teams to Tim's 8 times oh and played on bad teams I'm the west for about 6 years total stop it wit the "clearly" stuff
Tim was the best player on all but his last ring.
Shaq was the best Laker for the first 3 rings for Kobe.
Tim had a better career.
@@RSMorenoTony Parker won fmvp & Kawhi he had help
Finally the respect the spurs deserve and earned. Subscribed gents
They both won 5 chips & they both had to get through each other to get those chips!! I think their careers are neck & neck! Mr. Fundamental & Mamba! 😤😤
I remember watching Spurs games and they would go on stretches wher duncan would have 25/14 in the 3rd quarter and would be blowing teams out and Duncan would get pulled for the rest of the game! Imagine if he was allowed to stay in just to collect stats
I like this pure basketball talk
So refreshing to hear legit, good opinions about basketball over those professional opinion-havers in the mainstream. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
Tim duncan
Seasons in Top 10
Defensive Rating 17 seasons #1
Defensive Win shares 15 seasons #1
Defensive box +/- 14 seasons #1
Defensive Rbs Pct 17 seasons #1
Defensive Rbs. 15 seasons #1
Blocks. 15 seasons #1
Blocks per game. 14 seasons #1
PER. 13 seasons #5
VORP. 11 seasons #4
Box +/- 11 seasons #6
Win shares per 48. 13 seasons #3
Total rebounds Pct 14 seasons #1
Rebounds per game. 13 seasons #2
Total rebounds. 12 seasons #7
He doesn't get enough GOAT love. If I'm starting a team from scratch I'm 100% taking him over Jordan. Hate all you want. Him and Bron vs MJ and Kobe? Not even a competition. No toxic energy, nobody's son stealing a teammate's wife, no verbal abuse, and they'd still 10-peat.
mmmm duncan and lebron is crazy
i think kyrie and joker is crazy combo that would win alot as well
@@mentalprograming5365 Joker and Kyrie would be crazy. Jamal Murray is a great number 2, but Ky is the ultimate number 2. He's arguably the greatest finisher of all time (for a non-big at least), and with Denver's cut-heavy offense generating chances in the paint for him, his efficiency would probably skyrocket with Joker. Temperamentally I feel like they'd click too. Ky has been number 2 to Bron and Luka, and I think he's finally comfortable with that role as a 1b option. Also, famously a really good locker room guy. Anything you're getting with Jamal you're getting with Irving, plus extra.
Absolutely delusional. Duncan was gifted prime Robinson and a 50+win Spurs team. How many rings Duncan winning in Jordan's Era? Jordan turned a provety franchise into a dynasty. Duncan isn't comparable to Jordan
As a long time Spurs fan, it's good to hear the respect you guys have for Timmy. Kobe, Shaq and the Lakers gave the Spurs some great battles in the early 2000's. Look up Kobe on how he felt about Timmy and the Spurs, he had the upmost respect for them. Thanks for all the great memories Black Mamba, and rest easy...
"They'll run that single side pick & roll sometimes with manu ginobili & then they'll run the corner field and run him THROUGH!" norris cole funny as hell 🤣😭🤣😭
This.... is valid... Tim was a quiet beast.
They are not going to beat themselves, facts
I love that somebody finally said this .
Tim Duncan is one of the few greats that have not uttered a word about anything since he retired. He is the GOAT for that.
There’s no argument. Tim had a better career.
Both 5 rings Kobe went to more 1 more finals more scoring titles 12 1st defensive teams to Tim's 8 times oh and played on bad teams I'm the west for about 6 years total stop it wit the "no argument" stuff
@@terricarter9435 Tim never missed the playoffs or needed Shaq. So yeah... no argument.
@c.a.huggins7207 Tim needed Pop and a consistent allstar roster to win as well never had a bad team if he's better than Kobe then y isn't he better than Bron as well who missed playoffs several seasons and less rings 🤔
@@terricarter9435 Oh shut up and stop gaslighting. Why did you leave out Duncan's finals mvps mvps and more overall defensive teams better efficiency and advanced stats on both sides of the ball. Far less help. The Spurs would have been a bad team if DUNCAN WASN'T ON THE TEAM.
Kobe was awesome. Duncan was better.
@@terricarter9435 Kobe didn't need Phil? He literally was missing the playoffs without Phil. Duncan had a good team because the team had Duncan. Soon as he left they did NOTHING!
Some people do argue Duncan is better than Bron since he made Bron his bitch in 2 of the 3 finals they faced each other.
I’ve been saying this for years Duncan was always better.
Norris knows his basketball
I can’t explain how exactly, but these guys share a category: Jordan, Brady, Duncan
He arguably did tho I use to say this when I was a teen they look at me crazy but arguably he did but kobe getting ring 4 & 5 really saved him in this debate
it really isnt even arguable he had a better career in any aspect you look at, MVPs, FMVPS, was the best player on more of his 5 rings/ higher win percentage Kobe just is more liked, but Tim was the best player of the "Kobe Era" and if you really look at it objectively its not close.
@@waymanmclaughlin7528it’s a lot more factors and complex than that. Kobe career better than Tim Duncan’s
@@sammymehari2104 to me thats the excuse that people use to benefit Kobe, Tim was better earlier, won more, has more accolades, made no name euro guys hall of famers, and for the large part played with less talent... Tim Came in where Kobe was by year 5. Also Tim was better and more competitive later as well
@@waymanmclaughlin7528Tim Duncan was a shell after 07, 2008 WCF officially sealed Kobe always killed the spurs, Kobe got just as many all defenses as Duncan and scored damn near 10k more points foh
@@waymanmclaughlin7528 Duncan never repeated & has a losing record to Kobe in the playoffs & loss as a 1 seed to a 8 seed.
Tim had hall of famers with him and coach pop from start to finish
....DID YOU KNOW phil jackson coached the lakers? shaq and pau are also HOF'ers. dork.
@@Eighty8percent99/00-09/10 Kobe went to 7 finals 5 rings all while going through a whole rebuild in the middle part of the decade, 07-10 playoff run 11 of 12 Kobe opponents won at least 50 games including the Defending champs spurs, dismantling them in 5. Kobe score at least 600 points in 07-10 playoffs each year a feat only accomplished by you know who. 07-10 playoffs 67 games Kobe lead the lakers in assist and steals all while avg 30 PPG
@@tinyfalcon1185meanwhile, no free agent ever wanted to play with Kobe. Duncan>Kobe
@@Eighty8percent I never saw Phil put the ball n the hole! Did he coach Kobe for his entire career??
@@jjerkin1496Nope, and when Phil wasn’t there Kobe achieved nothing. Jackson however won 6 without Brick
Pop has done what without Duncan? Man literally said his secret to success was draft Duncan and not die. He said he’s the greatest human he’s ever met. Jackson said he wasnt surprised Kobe raped someone 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Diaw was the x factor in the 2014 finals.
Definitely a strong argument
They did it in different ways
Both accomplished alot
Lebron not getting past the spurs ever if they was in the east Kobe had to go through that his whole career.
@Lexluger_ Bron literally beat the Spurs in the Finals 😐. Kobe is the only star though with a winning record against Duncan
@@les_mizzzylmfao, with what roster though eh?
@@mahadofficiaI absolutely nothing to do with the conversation here. He beat the Spurs while he was in the East, plain and simple
@@les_mizzzyLebron beat the Spurs in 7 games while having a teammate averaging 19 points. Kobe smoked tim duncan in 5 games while averaging 29 points
@aaronrooks2703 let's not do this sir. Scottie averaged 20+ multiple times with Jordan, and do I have to mention Shaq for Kobe?
It’s good to finally hear some NBA players talking sense. Timmy is either at Kobe’s level or above him. More MVPs, more FMVPs, and led winning teams throughout his career. And he did it all in a small market.
Nope nowhere near him never 3 peated never repeated and never had to navigate thru a rebuild the mvp award is a popularity contest steve nash has as many as kobe and shaq combined mvps mean nothing when it comes to the playoffs kobe smacked tims spurs around like a pimp and kobe did it all in the biggest market where the pressure is constantly on
Duncan is better. Kobe had to rebuild cus he chased Shaq out , that's why Duncan " didn't have to rebuild". Plus he played with another top 8 player of all time and still managed to lose to Tim twice in their prime
@@lordvishnu7438 no he didn't shaq wanted out media hyped misconception and Duncan's team was loaded and managed to lose 4 times to kobe
@@jordanflores5687tim Duncan had the better career these are just objective facts.
@@AyyOne-kj2gh nope kobe was far better
Tim Always Had A Core
Imagine if Tim played on the lakers instead of the spurs he would be viewed so much more differently
Timmy is on my top 5 lineup
Arguably? He was the guarding the best player usually a big then being the teams main offensive weapon. His 2003 peak was higher than Kobe peak. People forget how big of threat shaq was to prop up Kobe
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Bro his peak was higher than Kobe, why can’t they both have a great career instead of diminishing the other
I am the biggest Kobe fan but I won’t even rank LeBron over Duncan and I would absolutely take Duncan prime over Bron. Duncan beat prime Kobe and shaq with Stephen Jackson being his best player . Duncan is a Ray Allen shot from being 3-0 against LeBron in finals but hey he is 2-1. Duncan has 5 rings also and finals mvps . He just wasn’t flashy or have career longevity of production like say Karl Malone or LeBron . But if you ask me in both primes who to build a team around I easily take Duncan over Bron and Kobe
@@francisikwueme1688Duncan never beat a 73-9 team and lead both finals teams in points, assist, steals, blocks, AND rebounds. Bron higher prime. Bron 1 of 1. I’ll take Duncan over mj tho you right. Mj needed 2 top defenders in the nba while Duncan needed jackson huh. Bron does more than Duncan and mj on the court in his prime especially. Bron has more basketball iq 2018 Bron different. He went to the finals with Jr smith and shumpurt 👀
@@moneymoney3235 it’s funny when u guys use the a player other than bron never beat a 73-9 team as if we have teams with that record every year smh . Jordan did not beat a 73-9 team because his team had the previous record . LeBron also scored 8 points in an nba finals and with prime wade and Bosh to Dirk who was barely a top 75 player at that time and freaking Jason Terry . Bron failed so bad in that finals as an all time great he needed the win against the dubs just to bring him back to par . It’s like failing a test and your teacher lets you retake a test and even if you got an A she will use a weighted average and not just replace the F with an A.
After Shaq left, Kobe went to 3 straight finals in the toughest Western Conference the league had in decades with ZERO top 75 players on his team and WON 2 BACK TO BACK. Tim even has Kobe above him but was fasho the BEST PF next to Bosh n Stoudemire during those times. Meanwhile, LeBuster couldn't make the finals without a top 75 teammate in the EASIEST Eastern Conference in YEARS. After Kobe won his 5th, Dwade, LeJealous and Bosh called each other up on sum HOE SHIT to team up and still has 6 finals losses only 4 wins in 21 years... only 1 reason why LePeon would come to LA after Kobe retires... This LeBitch media run recently aint brainwashing me DHZ🗣 WE KNOW THE TRUTH💯THE TRUTH HURTS🤣Bronsexuals here they come 😎😢
I’m barely seeing this and the amount of stress level for Manu Ginóbili makes me laugh
Spurs, the greatest franchise. So glad we moved there in the 90s when I was a kid and I fell in love with this organization. Timmy D is the GOAT.
Tim had the stellar college career on top of having very similar career numbers as Kobe
Yeah, Kobe didn't even score once in college. scrub
@@JonathanWoodall Duncan’s 2k points in college and 1500 rebound’s definitively matters when comparing the players careers
That’s a really good point that I didn’t think of. Duncan had a whole college career.
lol Tim Duncan literally his team won 50 or games 18 or 19 years in a row lol the only time they didn’t was lockout year
That's because they had Tim Duncan.
There's a solid arguement for Timmy in the GOAT debate.
Duncan was 1st team all nba as a rookie. That's how good he was
Basketball fans act like Tim Duncan didn’t even exist smh lol
Him, Chris Dudley and Othella Harrington never ever get the respect they deserve. Glad to see some love shown.
I'm happy somebody said it Duncan won five in the Kobe era and Kobe is considered a goat so why it can't be the same for bron?
Which is the entire point of this dumb argument. Minimize Kobe to help bolster LeBron’s losing record.
I don't think it's tearing down it's illuminating the fact we love both players for their games and wins but for some goats, we pretend that they never lost, and for others, we reminded of their losses and not they wins
@@djboyd100 You cannot illuminate while being bias and creating narratives. You can only illuminate with truth from a Fair Perspective.
Ok fact is that tim had a dynasty in Kobe era
And Steph had one in the LeBron era but both are considered goat
He ain't lying, also Timmy never SA'ed anyone either. Let us remember the woman that Kobe Graped in Colorado
Go spurs go!!!! Love this
We need to unplug his mic.
Tim definitely had a better career. Not even a discussion in my book.
Exactly, he just quiet and to himself but his career trumps kobe pretty easily if we being honest, he has as many or more of everything.
Tim Duncan is higher on my all time list. They have similar accolades, but Tim Duncan is a top 3 defender of all time which bumps him above Kobe for me.
IYKYK
We gotta start putting Rico cases on these microphones🔥🔥saying Tim was better than Kobe is crazy🔥🔥
Why? Kobe was a great player. But you guys talk like he’s top 3 all time
@@JeewanthaBandara he is🔥🔥
@@rome051124Nothing is more frustrating in NBA fandom than Kobe fans I swear. He’s absolutely not top 3.
@@JeewanthaBandarahe is clown
Tim has a better resumé than Kobe pretty easily
Man, if we’re being honest you can damn make a strong case for almost all the great ones…but we gotta be honest the SPURS never had a DYNASTY they never even won BACK to BACK FINALS their runs are 99, 03, 05, 07 and 14 no TIM HATE but y’all gotta STOP comparing everyone to FUCKEN KOBE DAMN!!!!
Who cares? Dude won before Kobe and shaq, then after them, kept winning even when he was past his prime. And of course they had a dynasty. 3 in 5 years and 4 in 7 is a dynasty.
@@remnant8898 That’s your popular opinion. If the media has it that a dynasty is Multiple Ships in a row then STOP trying to change the dynamics of what’s been said they’re not a dynasty they’re just a WINNING organization that’s it that’s all.
@@1538superman No, that's a simple fact going back to the 80s. Bird had a dynasty and didn't win back to back. The Pistons won back to back and NOBODY calls them a dynasty. Duncan won 3 in 5 and 4 in 8 years (incorrectly said 7 before) and got his 4 in less time than Kobe did, took a non winning small market team to a dynasty and did it without another top 2-10 player on his team like Kobe had. To show that you're not even being logical, call the Spurs "just a (CHAMPIONSHIP) WINNING organization, and that's all, as if even that recognition is something to look down upon is lunacy.
@@remnant8898You’ve owned this clown here
@@hardwoodthought1213 he's just a Kobe fan who doesn't know basketball history.
Yes, he did. No bad years. Always in contention
Norris left out one major point in beating that Spurs team which is u gotta get lucky down the stretch for a hand full of possession 🤷🏾♂️
Theres no arguing ish. Tim had a better career better player of all time.
I agree, I say that all the time, I do though still think Kobe was maybe the better player but Duncan played for a franchised that always backed him.
I been telling peeps for years. Timmy D 🐐
Best power forward to play the game. Never gets the credit he deserves.
Not an argument. Dude won 1k games. He won 70% of the games he played in. He NEVER missed the playoffs. Every season the Spurs were guaranteed to win 50 games except for 99 when there were only 50 games played and rhe Spurs went 37-13. Thats a 60 win pace.
5 titles, 2 MVPs, 3 Finals MVPs, 15x All NBA AND All Defense (only player ever). Part of the winningest Big 3 ever. AND he never played with someone like Shaq.
Duncan is the best player of his generation. Real ones know this. No disrespect to Kobe, he's Top 10 all time. But Tim should be Top 5. Not many players won the way he did. If Ray Allen misses that 3, no one is debating this.
if cp0 didn't hit the buzzer shot at 2015, That spurs was going back to back
As spurs fan since David Robinson. Timmy the goat MJ 2nd and Kobe 3rd he was him. Best Two way player ever. Never won less than 50 was in contention 19 seasons
Blinded bias Tim had the same coach great allstar team teammates whole career over MJ who was drafted to a rebuild team and Kobe who played though multiple rebuilds/Achilles & other significant injuries that's why Tim never missed playoffs
Tim Duncan is also arguably better than LeBron. More titles in less time, no flopping, and both are Forwards.
Would've been nice if if Tim ever won back to back championships. That's prolly why him and the Spurs get overlooked most of the time.
Cole sounds like Tyrin Turner
It's not even arguable. It's unequivocal. In the playoffs every damn season. He's the reason. He was the system. The reason for serenity in SA. Meanwhile, Kobe is jawing with players, forcing the Shaq trade, getting coaches fired. Kobe missed the playoffs repeatedly. It also took him a few seasons to find his stride. TD was All-NBA first year from year one.
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Its true not only that the reason Kobe is much known than Timmy because of back to backs and none other than matchups in the playoffs
Two legends but I’d say Timmy D !!!!!
Didn’t mention they were deep. Most teams were tired after 3 quarters. SA stayed fresh.
TD NEVA WENT BACK2BACK.
Tim my fav player
Wouldn’t say tim had a greeter career but he was in a better situation to where he was able to play 20 years with 1 coach and a core of guys that stayed for 15-16 of his 20 year career
😂😂😂 u hear the bias right he was in a better situation dude lakers are the biggest market in the nba and for them to win the same amount of championships has spurs during that era says alot 😂🤷♂️also imagine if Duncan was able to play with David robinson during his peak lol just like Kobe with shaq
i mean tim duncan was smacking lebron around in the so called ''lebron era''. duncan won at least 2 chips off born, and steph won 3.
“Duncan was smacking Lebron around” the 2 times the Spurs beat Lebron Duncan wasn’t even finals MVP neither was Steph.
Well Duncan was an elite player right off the bat. He was an all star and all nba 1st team his rookie year. Also he won an NBA championship before Kobe did and never missed the playoffs.
Because Tim Duncan went to college for 4 years and started. He also had roster and coaching stability his entire career. Kobe played with a roster devoid of talent during his peak years and endured a coaching parasol from Rudy T, to Frank Hamblen, Mike Brown etc.
Just as good not better not lesser I give kobe the edge because he had to be the guy and duncan had alot of teammates he could rely on wherever you have kobe duncan should be 1 ahead or right behind
Lot of -+ different variables to consider...one being kobe had two major surgeries you could say that held him back..duncan had 1 full season he missed with his but he was still very young kobe was at the tail end of his career ....one of the two finals he lost you could say was due to internal disfunction that the same year he caught that charge and was beefing with shaq ...the other one bynym was hurt and ariza...full strenght you never know
Tim is great # 10 all-time, in my view. Kobe is #3 all-time.
You can't really compare the 2.
1 played for the Lakers, coming with it the circuses.
1 played for the spurs. Model of consistency and selflessness ball. 1 was mentored and wanted day 1. The other was relegated to the bench by a coach that didn't want him, or trust players out of high-school.
1 had the same core "big 3" for 15 years and the same system and coach.
1 had a carousel of coaches and 1 superstar.
Let's be honest, Kobe played with less help and still thrived.
That's false. Tim Duncan never played with the most dominate player in NBA history who was also at the time the best player in the league for a number of years. (Shaq). That's better than any player that Tim Duncan has played with.
Kobe had Phil Jackson who was already established as an all time great coach due to his success with the Jordan Bulls. Popovich was a rookie head coach that no one heard of when Tim Duncan first came into the league.
Kobe was fortunately to play with an organization that has a history of winning championships with the Lakers unlike the Spurs that even to this day has never won anything without Tim Duncan. Unlike Kobe, Tim actually put an organization on the map.
Tim Duncan obviously did more with less.
Somebody had to run and get help I wonder who that was 😂