You are correct in protecting the red osier dogwood for several years by putting them in brush piles (dead buckthorn). They aren't particularly shade lovers, but will tolerate competition from grasses. After a couple of years, when they have well-established roots, they will tolerate browsing. On the other hand, willow cuttings will not tolerate competition and they need full sun. I will be interested in seeing how the willows you have tree-tubed do. I make cages with 2 X 4 wire. You are doing well, sir.
The willows I am putting tubes around are trees not willow bushes. They are hybrid willows and will grow 6-12 ft a yr. They are doing fantastic now. I’ll probably have a tree planting habitat video of the trees I ordered this yr and I’ll do an update on some of the red osier dogwood and willows.
We've got a similar situation on our Wisconsin hunting property... had a logger come in a couple years ago and take all the ash, some money trees, and huge swaths of buckthorn. In some of the open areas that are now getting good sunlight, we were able to plant some 3 year old apple and pear trees to establish a little orchard. This year I'll put in some dogwood and hybrid willow to provide browse throughout as well as providing some privacy fencing to allow better walking access to the back of the property without disturbing the deer. It's so much fun, it's like having a whole new property.
Yep changing the habitat for the better and getting more browse on the property is only going to create better bedding. It’s definitely rewarding to see your hard work pay off.
Your video about using what is already there for resources gives me a whole new perspective on establishing areas in the future. The dead Buckthorn are great cover and markers for knowing where the Dogwood were planted. Using the natural decomposition process of the Buckthorn as a vehicle to get the end result you want is brilliant. And the Buckthorn just decomposes into the ground - very nature friendly. Just reposition a few items and it makes it work. This is way better than hauling in fence and wire and clear plastic tubes - stuff that will all need removed later - plus all the manpower hours needed for putting all that stuff together. Lots of time and work saved by doing things this way, plus still a good result.
Yeah I definitely wouldn’t waste your time caging a bunch of dog wood plants you can even just cut some brush down and stack it around them, you don’t need to have necessarily something dead close by to push on top of it. I still make cages for my pine trees. Just simply because I am only planting a handful and I want them to survive. Obviously burying a pine tree in brush it won’t be the best.
Cool video, always enjoy habitat improvement plans. I planted red osier last year, the deer decimated them. This year I put in 100 silky dogwood shrubs along with 50 hazelnuts. Really thinking I'm going to spend the effort caging every single one off before winter hits. Mike
Yeah they will probably get a good amount of the dogwood I planted. 150 cages that’s going to be hard to get done but possible. I think next spring I may just jab a whole bunch of 3-4ft tall willow cuttings in.
Another great video, looking forward to your food plot videos! FYI those eastern red cedar are an invasive species like autumn olive, I have both on my property and they are very good habitat, you just have to take time and keep them under control!
Yeah pretty easy to control young cedar by mowing. I’m am fighting a way worse invasive Buckthorn which mowing just makes worse LOL. I’ll maybe have to spot spray some of the small stuff before it gets big again.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 Juniperus virginiana, the eastern redcedar, is native to Wisconsin. I guess generally in the southern part of the state. Great videos, thanks for producing them!
I think you will enjoy the habitat work more than the food plots. I totally agree with taller cuttings. I did the same thing. You always have to experiment to find out what works. Enjoy the habitat work. I have transformed some ag fields to a wildlife bonanza in just one year. You could spot spray the small buckthorn with gly. Take it easy.
When do you have the best luck killing buckthorn by spraying. Early leaf out? I am probably going to jab a bunch of 3-4 ft tall willow cuttings in next spring. I really wish I could transform some of the ag fields but I don’t own the land, it’s in a family trust.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 Yes and when they are young. I did a bunch of big red osier dogwood cuttings this Spring and put them in wetter areas and they look great. I also bought 100 whips from Mike in Cambridge again. As you know, those do great. I tubed some and they are 6' this year. The non tubed are shorter but still doing well. You can message me on FB anytime to chat habitat as we are in very similar areas.
Have you had any luck with planting whips under a hinge cut tree? Obviously getting light would be more of an issue than a flush cut/ killed tree. Awesome video
I've alwayse had better luck with sticking larger whips in than shorter. Im interested in the aspen? I'm in se Wisconsin and need more cover in my swamp as well. Thoes poplars will provide good stand sites if you have some on the outer edge of the swamp
Yeah I’m definitely going to try a bunch of 3-4ft tall willow whips next spring. I planted some quaking Aspen because in 10-15 yrs they should start shooting up root suckers without having to cut them down. The hybrid poplars will only send up root suckers if they get cut down. And yes I have some on the edges too.
I would check in to this but I think hybrid poplar doesn’t do root shoots like regular poplar aspens or cottonwood. Hybrid only grow from cuttings from themselves. I hing cut 35 foot hybrid poplars 5 years ago and nothing. Ash and cottonwood have taken over
Check this video out 👉 ua-cam.com/video/Yyht24yL5eU/v-deo.html This guy had some great videos. This is where I learned about cutting hybrid poplars down.
Yeah I know, I have already cut off some of the bigger ones that I planted 3 yrs ago. I meant cutting a couple down in 10 yrs or so to get a bunch of root suckers. I’ve heard that hybrid poplars are notorious root sprouters like Aspen.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 yeah they basically shoot up new trees and they produce good cuttings. You can get all the cuttings you ever need off one tree.
Yes the deer didn’t get to many of them. The rabbits are the tender bark and girdled some of them over winter so if you have lots of rabbits they might get most of them. I was able to protect them from the deer but not the rabbits.
Not great. About 25% survival. They all survived the first summer. But mice and rabbits ended up eating the bark in the winter killing alot of them. The ones that made it through grew a lot this yr. But like I said only 25% are left. The rabbits killed them not the deer. I didn’t even think of the rabbits being a problem when we planted them.
You are correct in protecting the red osier dogwood for several years by putting them in brush piles (dead buckthorn). They aren't particularly shade lovers, but will tolerate competition from grasses. After a couple of years, when they have well-established roots, they will tolerate browsing.
On the other hand, willow cuttings will not tolerate competition and they need full sun. I will be interested in seeing how the willows you have tree-tubed do. I make cages with 2 X 4 wire. You are doing well, sir.
The willows I am putting tubes around are trees not willow bushes. They are hybrid willows and will grow 6-12 ft a yr. They are doing fantastic now. I’ll probably have a tree planting habitat video of the trees I ordered this yr and I’ll do an update on some of the red osier dogwood and willows.
Good information thank you, the kitty litter buckets are the best 👍
Haha, they sure are 😆
We've got a similar situation on our Wisconsin hunting property... had a logger come in a couple years ago and take all the ash, some money trees, and huge swaths of buckthorn. In some of the open areas that are now getting good sunlight, we were able to plant some 3 year old apple and pear trees to establish a little orchard. This year I'll put in some dogwood and hybrid willow to provide browse throughout as well as providing some privacy fencing to allow better walking access to the back of the property without disturbing the deer. It's so much fun, it's like having a whole new property.
Yep changing the habitat for the better and getting more browse on the property is only going to create better bedding. It’s definitely rewarding to see your hard work pay off.
Your video about using what is already there for resources gives me a whole new perspective on establishing areas in the future. The dead Buckthorn are great cover and markers for knowing where the Dogwood were planted. Using the natural decomposition process of the Buckthorn as a vehicle to get the end result you want is brilliant. And the Buckthorn just decomposes into the ground - very nature friendly. Just reposition a few items and it makes it work. This is way better than hauling in fence and wire and clear plastic tubes - stuff that will all need removed later - plus all the manpower hours needed for putting all that stuff together. Lots of time and work saved by doing things this way, plus still a good result.
Yeah I definitely wouldn’t waste your time caging a bunch of dog wood plants you can even just cut some brush down and stack it around them, you don’t need to have necessarily something dead close by to push on top of it. I still make cages for my pine trees. Just simply because I am only planting a handful and I want them to survive. Obviously burying a pine tree in brush it won’t be the best.
Great video, love the swamp/marsh habitat stuff, keep it coming!
Thanks, I planted some more red osier dogwood this year. I should have a video out sometime.
Cool video, always enjoy habitat improvement plans. I planted red osier last year, the deer decimated them. This year I put in 100 silky dogwood shrubs along with 50 hazelnuts. Really thinking I'm going to spend the effort caging every single one off before winter hits.
Mike
Yeah they will probably get a good amount of the dogwood I planted. 150 cages that’s going to be hard to get done but possible. I think next spring I may just jab a whole bunch of 3-4ft tall willow cuttings in.
Another great video, looking forward to your food plot videos! FYI those eastern red cedar are an invasive species like autumn olive, I have both on my property and they are very good habitat, you just have to take time and keep them under control!
Yeah pretty easy to control young cedar by mowing. I’m am fighting a way worse invasive Buckthorn which mowing just makes worse LOL. I’ll maybe have to spot spray some of the small stuff before it gets big again.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 Juniperus virginiana, the eastern redcedar, is native to Wisconsin. I guess generally in the southern part of the state. Great videos, thanks for producing them!
I think you will enjoy the habitat work more than the food plots. I totally agree with taller cuttings. I did the same thing. You always have to experiment to find out what works. Enjoy the habitat work. I have transformed some ag fields to a wildlife bonanza in just one year. You could spot spray the small buckthorn with gly. Take it easy.
When do you have the best luck killing buckthorn by spraying. Early leaf out? I am probably going to jab a bunch of 3-4 ft tall willow cuttings in next spring. I really wish I could transform some of the ag fields but I don’t own the land, it’s in a family trust.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 Yes and when they are young. I did a bunch of big red osier dogwood cuttings this Spring and put them in wetter areas and they look great. I also bought 100 whips from Mike in Cambridge again. As you know, those do great. I tubed some and they are 6' this year. The non tubed are shorter but still doing well. You can message me on FB anytime to chat habitat as we are in very similar areas.
Have you had any luck with planting whips under a hinge cut tree? Obviously getting light would be more of an issue than a flush cut/ killed tree. Awesome video
@@Landsteward Yes. That is a great idea. I did it this Spring under a hinge cut willow tree.
I've alwayse had better luck with sticking larger whips in than shorter. Im interested in the aspen? I'm in se Wisconsin and need more cover in my swamp as well. Thoes poplars will provide good stand sites if you have some on the outer edge of the swamp
Yeah I’m definitely going to try a bunch of 3-4ft tall willow whips next spring. I planted some quaking Aspen because in 10-15 yrs they should start shooting up root suckers without having to cut them down. The hybrid poplars will only send up root suckers if they get cut down. And yes I have some on the edges too.
I would check in to this but I think hybrid poplar doesn’t do root shoots like regular poplar aspens or cottonwood. Hybrid only grow from cuttings from themselves. I hing cut 35 foot hybrid poplars 5 years ago and nothing. Ash and cottonwood have taken over
Check this video out 👉 ua-cam.com/video/Yyht24yL5eU/v-deo.html
This guy had some great videos. This is where I learned about cutting hybrid poplars down.
If those are op-367 hybrid poplars, you will be cutting those tubes off well before 10 years.
Yeah I know, I have already cut off some of the bigger ones that I planted 3 yrs ago. I meant cutting a couple down in 10 yrs or so to get a bunch of root suckers. I’ve heard that hybrid poplars are notorious root sprouters like Aspen.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 yeah they basically shoot up new trees and they produce good cuttings. You can get all the cuttings you ever need off one tree.
Nice
Did this end up working out for you? I want to try it on my property
Yes the deer didn’t get to many of them. The rabbits are the tender bark and girdled some of them over winter so if you have lots of rabbits they might get most of them. I was able to protect them from the deer but not the rabbits.
you seem to have a good handle on weed, tree, and shrub identification. what resource do your recommend? i am also in WI
I’m not quite sure what you mean by “resource”
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744 like a field handbook or phone app to help identify stuff
I will be pushing daisy’s in 15 years
And how did these turn out after a year?
Not great. About 25% survival. They all survived the first summer. But mice and rabbits ended up eating the bark in the winter killing alot of them. The ones that made it through grew a lot this yr. But like I said only 25% are left. The rabbits killed them not the deer. I didn’t even think of the rabbits being a problem when we planted them.
@@wisconsinwhitetail9744do you think a dog might help ?