As a gps model data builder we get this call alot from clients. We build about 4,000 gps models a year and we always get calls that the dozer is not running right in the corners of the ponds. This helps to educate operators. Thanks. I am keeping this link for those calls.
Absolutely! Let me know if you have any other frequent calls that we could potentially cover in future videos. We are getting ready to do a whole series on machine control and GPS
This is the kind of video I find super helpful. I like to see the jobs your working on and everything but this (to me) is what sets you apart from other equipment videos. You are a gifted teacher and that is what I look for. Keep up the good work.
Hi, Folks. All this information is all very well and good but doing it thisaway is not NEARLY as satisfying as doing it WITHOUT GPS using the old Mark One eyeball and the seat-of-the-pants or 'favourite rump' steak monitoring. I once cut a double change of elevation in a haul road using a 46A D8 dozer with the earlier hand lever tilt control outside the power shift control under the left hand - - - ON NIGHT SHIFT. The Euclid drivers loved it. Just my 0.02. You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
Hello,@@DieselandIron. Nope, it wuzza chance to point out the difference between REAL operating and being a seat warmer for a bunch of electronic gizmos. All this 'noo-fangled gadgetry' is all very well and good - WHEN it is working, but what happens when it 'layz a long, brown egg' and the ALLEGED operator can't do it with the 'Mark One Eyeball' and the 'Favorite Rump Steak'??????? Is the machine supposed to just sit and rust until the 'techies' can get it working again. Or you're out in the 'boonies' pioneering a logging road or cutting access to a drill site through rocky country where you might hafta deviate around some area that the machine just cain't cut through? Teach people to do the job WITHOUT all the technology and THEN teach them to use the technology and you will end up with BETTER operators, people who have at least some understanding of how the machine works instead of just handing control of the machine over to a zillion little electrical impulses racing around a circuit board atta rate of knots. Teach 'em to BE operators and then let the 'electronic gizmos' help 'em to be better and more productive. Just my 0.02. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
@@dplant8961 This entire channel is about teaching everything you said. The flip-side of your argument is that can't ignore the technology and write it off as "new fangled gizmo's." The essential skills are still there and you have to have them but, machine control has taken operator production to whole new levels. It would be a disservice to the industry NOT to teach this stuff.
Hello, @DieselandIron Maybe your reading skills aren't quite up there with your 'teaching' skills. I have never said, "Don't teach the 'noo-fangled stuff." What I said was to teach 'em to do it the old way first and THEN teach the 'noo-fangled stuff' - Quote: "Teach 'em to BE operators and then let the 'electronic gizmos' help 'em to be better and more productive." Unquote. I doubt that many people 'raised' only on the 'noo-fangled stuff' would be anywhere near as capable of doing the same job without it as someone who learned to do it all the 'old way' without them having a bit - maybe a LOTTTTT - of practice. I have only ever had machine control onna Cat 140H grader - and it didn't help a bit - 'coz the engineers had changed the design of the road and had NOT told us or given us the new model to put into the system - 3 days of work wasted. I HAVE used laser monitoring systems - not control systems - to cut house and factory sites to +/- 3/4 of an inch - 19 millimetres - with Cat 941, 943 and 953 track loaders, various hydraulic excavators and a Cat D5B dozer. There izza LOTTTT more to operating a machine than just punching some information into an electronic control system, sitting back and lighting a cigarette. Just my 0.02. You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
That's going to be dependent on the system you are running. Newer dozers have 2D capabilities that allow you to set slopes on the fly. Older systems don't have the ability to set slopes, they can only read files. Let me see what I can do on this one
GPS doesn’t make a good operator. It makes a good operator more efficient! The most important thing about moving dirt is moving it in the right direction. And the right direction may change depending on exactly what you are trying to accomplish on your next pass. Reading the plans and the gps model and adjusting accordingly gets the best results. I have worked with gps for over twenty years and it’s been my experience that the hardest part is teaching the operator that you can not just turn the gps on and just start pushing dirt in just any direction and it to come out right.
GPS can take a C level operator and make them a B+ to A- operator. Ultimately you are correct. In order to be an A+ operator and take full advantage of the GPS technology you need to understand how to move the dirt and understand that planning is needed before just shoving material around.
I’m going to a new development job how do i find out my vertical offsets? It’s new housing pads and roads and sidewalks.. the last company i worked for gave them to me so I never figured it out but (my side walks were -0.35) (pads -0.75) (street -0.65) so how do i figure this out myself for next time? Just read the grade stakes ? Or look at the prints and minus one add from the elevation ??
It was faster with a grade checker and a good dozer hand. You’re taking the basics out of operating a dozer, the feel in your ass, and your hands, and the depth perception of your eye. If you can’t cut two tenths without a computer, you’re not a Operator. For years, this has all been done with feel, touch, experience, and talent. But I see why the industry has gone this way, they’ve taken advantage of several generations of video game addicts. If the screen goes down, you’ll have to park the tractor till it’s fixed.
no offense if you made it yourself but that model looks rough. could def be a much cleaner surface. message me if you ever need a model, I've made hundreds of them from simple housepads to massive Amazon warehouses and everything in between. if you're paying sitech to build them right now I can make you a better model for much cheaper
This was all handled by Carson and the engineering firm they were working with. I may take you up on your skills though. Shoot me an email at contact@dieselandironproductions.com. We have a project coming up in August that we will need some GPS files made up for.
As a gps model data builder we get this call alot from clients. We build about 4,000 gps models a year and we always get calls that the dozer is not running right in the corners of the ponds. This helps to educate operators. Thanks. I am keeping this link for those calls.
Absolutely! Let me know if you have any other frequent calls that we could potentially cover in future videos. We are getting ready to do a whole series on machine control and GPS
@@DieselandIron Nice definitely will do.
This is the kind of video I find super helpful. I like to see the jobs your working on and everything but this (to me) is what sets you apart from other equipment videos. You are a gifted teacher and that is what I look for. Keep up the good work.
Thank you Jason! That really means a lot! I appreciate the support brother.
Hi, Folks.
All this information is all very well and good but doing it thisaway is not NEARLY as satisfying as doing it WITHOUT GPS using the old Mark One eyeball and the seat-of-the-pants or 'favourite rump' steak monitoring.
I once cut a double change of elevation in a haul road using a 46A D8 dozer with the earlier hand lever tilt control outside the power shift control under the left hand - - - ON NIGHT SHIFT. The Euclid drivers loved it.
Just my 0.02.
You all have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
I feel like this was just an opportunity for you to brag....but thanks for the comment!
Hello,@@DieselandIron.
Nope, it wuzza chance to point out the difference between REAL operating and being a seat warmer for a bunch of electronic gizmos.
All this 'noo-fangled gadgetry' is all very well and good - WHEN it is working, but what happens when it 'layz a long, brown egg' and the ALLEGED operator can't do it with the 'Mark One Eyeball' and the 'Favorite Rump Steak'??????? Is the machine supposed to just sit and rust until the 'techies' can get it working again.
Or you're out in the 'boonies' pioneering a logging road or cutting access to a drill site through rocky country where you might hafta deviate around some area that the machine just cain't cut through?
Teach people to do the job WITHOUT all the technology and THEN teach them to use the technology and you will end up with BETTER operators, people who have at least some understanding of how the machine works instead of just handing control of the machine over to a zillion little electrical impulses racing around a circuit board atta rate of knots.
Teach 'em to BE operators and then let the 'electronic gizmos' help 'em to be better and more productive.
Just my 0.02.
You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
@@dplant8961 This entire channel is about teaching everything you said. The flip-side of your argument is that can't ignore the technology and write it off as "new fangled gizmo's." The essential skills are still there and you have to have them but, machine control has taken operator production to whole new levels. It would be a disservice to the industry NOT to teach this stuff.
Hello, @DieselandIron
Maybe your reading skills aren't quite up there with your 'teaching' skills.
I have never said, "Don't teach the 'noo-fangled stuff." What I said was to teach 'em to do it the old way first and THEN teach the 'noo-fangled stuff' -
Quote: "Teach 'em to BE operators and then let the 'electronic gizmos' help 'em to be better and more productive."
Unquote.
I doubt that many people 'raised' only on the 'noo-fangled stuff' would be anywhere near as capable of doing the same job without it as someone who learned to do it all the 'old way' without them having a bit - maybe a LOTTTTT - of practice.
I have only ever had machine control onna Cat 140H grader - and it didn't help a bit - 'coz the engineers had changed the design of the road and had NOT told us or given us the new model to put into the system - 3 days of work wasted.
I HAVE used laser monitoring systems - not control systems - to cut house and factory sites to +/- 3/4 of an inch - 19 millimetres - with Cat 941, 943 and 953 track loaders, various hydraulic excavators and a Cat D5B dozer.
There izza LOTTTT more to operating a machine than just punching some information into an electronic control system, sitting back and lighting a cigarette.
Just my 0.02.
You have a wonderful day. Best wishes. Deas Plant.
Are you fucking high man?
Like the way you explained that bro. You're dam good operator. Keep up the good work man.
Thanks Ronnie! I appreciate that brother!
Top con so much better and better features
Top con so much better and better features
When you get the chance think you could make a video on slopes and how to design new surfaces on the fly with gps dozer
That's going to be dependent on the system you are running. Newer dozers have 2D capabilities that allow you to set slopes on the fly. Older systems don't have the ability to set slopes, they can only read files. Let me see what I can do on this one
Aerial drone footage or outside camera would help too I think.
Agreed. I'll have to redo some of these in the future with added views.
GPS doesn’t make a good operator. It makes a good operator more efficient! The most important thing about moving dirt is moving it in the right direction. And the right direction may change depending on exactly what you are trying to accomplish on your next pass. Reading the plans and the gps model and adjusting accordingly gets the best results.
I have worked with gps for over twenty years and it’s been my experience that the hardest part is teaching the operator that you can not just turn the gps on and just start pushing dirt in just any direction and it to come out right.
GPS can take a C level operator and make them a B+ to A- operator. Ultimately you are correct. In order to be an A+ operator and take full advantage of the GPS technology you need to understand how to move the dirt and understand that planning is needed before just shoving material around.
I’m going to a new development job how do i find out my vertical offsets? It’s new housing pads and roads and sidewalks.. the last company i worked for gave them to me so I never figured it out but (my side walks were -0.35) (pads -0.75) (street -0.65) so how do i figure this out myself for next time? Just read the grade stakes ? Or look at the prints and minus one add from the elevation ??
Or look at the prints and minus from the Existing grade to the finish grade and would i do that with areas for fill add instead of subtract??
Your prints should give you a breakdown of the sidewalk and road profile. It will tell you how much sand and stone needs to go under each
Nice tutorial!
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
Well done!!
Thanks for watching!
Now do it while you’ve got 15 trucks bringing you clay fill. 😊
Bulk first, precision cut after.
It was faster with a grade checker and a good dozer hand. You’re taking the basics out of operating a dozer, the feel in your ass, and your hands, and the depth perception of your eye. If you can’t cut two tenths without a computer, you’re not a Operator. For years, this has all been done with feel, touch, experience, and talent. But I see why the industry has gone this way, they’ve taken advantage of several generations of video game addicts. If the screen goes down, you’ll have to park the tractor till it’s fixed.
no offense if you made it yourself but that model looks rough. could def be a much cleaner surface. message me if you ever need a model, I've made hundreds of them from simple housepads to massive Amazon warehouses and everything in between. if you're paying sitech to build them right now I can make you a better model for much cheaper
This was all handled by Carson and the engineering firm they were working with. I may take you up on your skills though. Shoot me an email at contact@dieselandironproductions.com. We have a project coming up in August that we will need some GPS files made up for.
Excellent video, sitech and Trimble have horrible videos
Thanks for watching, glad it was helpful!