I love to pair real black powder with home cast bullets in an inline. I think this is a great idea. My fast twist inline will even shoot patch and ball into one hole at 50 yards.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading sadly New York state has introduced legislation and has the votes to pass the no lead for hunting bill we have here. I have been getting lead free casting material and have put some away to cast with my molds if and when it becomes law. I also bought a fair amount of bismuth shot for my smoothbores.
I'm about to purchase the camo version to get away from my traditions deer hunter 50. But I love the removable breach and load capabilities. Just hope the scope mounts hold up.
Just FYI Justin , I believe that what you're referring to is a DRUM plug not a breech plug. The breech plug is at the breech of the barrel and you usually don't remove it for cleaning. I have a 43 year old CVA Kentucky rifle that has a removable drum screw for cleaning , so that screw is nothing new.
Hey Eithan happy New year to you. I love my Pa ultra light flintlock from tradition. The inline ignition is great. I still use a starter of 4f 2 pumps of my pan charger down the barrel and then a main charge of triple 7 2f. 77.7 gr by weight that's 110 grain by volume. With a250 shock wave bullet. I have a vortex crossfire red dot on it for my old eye lol. I have black plastic stock balance is tearable of I packed the butt stock with paper and nine millimeter lead bullets till the balance is right in front of the trigger. Can't say enough for the removal breech plug. Clean up is wonderful. In Canada you need a license for a caplock . Why all my guns are flintlock. Black powder here is 60.00 a lb . Tradition should make that platform with a shotgun barrel to go along with the 50. Deer and turkey gun in one. Great for a young shooter.
Thank you for sharing Mark! How do you like the red dot on there? It's something I want to try. I"ve heard that the black stocks need weight, glad you found a balance! I'm sorry to hear Canada wants a license for a caplock, so weird!! I'd love to see Traditions make a shotgun barrel for the platform, that would help out so many shooters.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading love the red dot . Took the rear sight off put the rail on. Mount the sight as far forward as you can . To keep the powder burns to a minimum. On the shed horn way to go only if allowed lol. I would have scoped it but the flintlock is in the way.
I have two Traditions guns. I like them both, but the caplock shotgun is a tad weak in the mainspring. But if you learn to handle it it works pretty well. I also have a plastic flintlock. In all honesty I love that rifle. It ain't very good for small game. But headshots aren't that hard to make, and long shots are pretty effective if I "bark" them. Ignition rivals a caplock. Very quick. I'd love to have this rifle with a stainless barrel and a 1/60 twist. That would be a dream rifle. The reason I bought this rifle, is that I couldn't believe how cheap it was. Almost exactly 300 with tax. If it didn't work, I could bring it back. The cheap Spanish lock is the quickest, and most reliable of my flintlocks. It never fails if I do my part. I see folks slamming these guns. But I'd sell this long AFTER I sold my others. I couldn't recommend it enough. Although they also sell a flinter made for substitute powders. Those always hangfire unless you load them with real powder. On the flip side they are very easily cleaned.
Interesting... Shame its only a 50. Id like to see a 58, tempting though. 32 or 36 would be nice too for varmint hunting. Being their Crockett is already 32, would be interesting if they have it this upgrade to the breach.
I think another design of 32 would possibly work but I'm not sure there's enough of a market for 36's or 40's. At least here in the PNW, I don't think any thing under .45 cal are legal for larger game and the number of people hunting rabbits or squirrels with a small bore muzzleloader are tiny.
@@timberinternational2377 East of the Mississippi is where 60% of the U.S. population lives and where 32-45 cal are used for small game. That's where the untapped market is. The problem is, they are not chasing the market, they are chasing the laws.......Laws designed to manipulate hunters/shooters.
A shotgun in that design might be very nice, if done correctly. Smoothbore muzzeloading is very newbie friendly and the removable breech would make cleaning super easy. But they have many aesthetic problems to solve. It's almost like their designers are deliberately building ugly clunky guns.
@@timberinternational2377 you'd be surprised. But im not strickly thinking of the PNW. Ive gone rabbit and gopher hunting with muzzleloaders a lot in Washington and Idaho. Usually with my 1851 Navys in 36 cause a 50 and a 45 are frankly too much gun and a headshot on something that small is tricky.
I never understood the inline to primitive muzzleloader pipeline, but then again my interest in it was about history and had nothing to do with hunting. My first muzzleloader was a homemade smoothbore 20 gauge fowling piece, and I've pretty much stayed pre civil war in my interest in the hobby.
Archery has something similar going on. Bending a stick and string to launch an arrow is Stone Age history. But we like to reinvent/reboot by adding pulleys to bows.
No chit!…although in-lines are cool…they’re more of a grafted limb on the muzzleloader tree…I see them as a technological way to cheat in on the traditional primitive weapons hunting seasons….the latest greatest in-lines are every thing a centerfire is without the cartridge case…
@@patrickjoseph5028I totally agree. That's always been my standpoint. Why the hell would I wanna hunt in "primitive firearms" season with anything but a primitive firearm? The in line guys take the fun out of it for guys like us who want to have the thrill that comes with successfully harvesting game with 400 year old technology. There's nothing "primitive" about in lines. I don't even find them cool. They're just boring, mass produced, modern hunting rifles with a slower rate of fire.
It's all about available money, guys. Traditional, custom muzzleloaders are an expensive luxury many don't get to enjoy until a couple decades of working are behind them. Lots of young guys, and hunters of all ages on a budget really, are looking for the most economical way to expand their deer hunting opportunities. Guns like this can be a gateway for some to traditional guns like custom flintlocks down the road. I hunt like it's 1780, but not everyone can afford to...
I wonder how accurate it is? Looks like 100gr of pyrodex is the maximum charge. I'd 200 yards is probably maximum range compared to a in-line muzzleloader. I kinda want to get a shed horn just to see what it can do. There are no videos or field testing reviews I can find anywhere for the shedhorn.
Eathan, I’ll add this comment here though it doesn’t apply directly to this video. Good news for primitive muzzleloader fans. You probably know the best way to get the word out. I just received a notice by way of the DNR newsletter that Maryland has added a primitive weapons only White Tail and Sika deer season running from February 1-3 this year. It appears to be following the Pennsylvania primitive weapons rules, though Maryland rules are a bit more lenient. In addition to flintlock rifles, side lock percussion cap rifles appear to be allowed. Primitive sights only. Check the state’s website for details. Let’s hope that even more states get on board with this primitive weapons only additional hunting season bandwagon. Thanks
It's the same gun 😂. All they did was removed the touch hole and screwed in the drum and nipple and removed the pan from the lock plate but I bet it is a hooked breech. Not a straight peg like in the ultra light. Or Pa
Can you possibly do a gel test with a 45 prb and various charges from 60 to 75 grns. Maybe put a 1/2 sheet of plywood in front of it. To simulate a rib or shoulder I have a jukar long rifle wicked accurate and I just want to know if it'll cleanly do it's business on whitetail. And range of 50 to 100yrds
I have been looking for a peep sight for my Traditions Hawkin Woodsman with an octal barrel. I have found them for round and tapered barrels but nothing for the octal / flat barrel. Any help / recommendation would be appreciated.
Check out the "Supplies" section of my Muzzleloading 101 page, www.ilovemuzzleloading.com/muzzleloading101. I've got a list of retailers there you should try
5:30 hunters are the biggest market? That’s surprising. These are the first modern ML I would consider buying. BTW Washington state is the most northwestern state in the lower 48. Many Americans don’t even know it exists. 7:59
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Sorry if I sounded like I was questioning the data. I believe it...just surprised by it. Re: Washington state. No worries. Most Americans think we're part of Canada or California anyway. Thanks for all you do. I'm sure you get a lot of grief for nothing in particular. Sorry if I contributed to that.
Tradition needs to offer this platform in different caliber and smooth bores . History repeating itself . Flintlock to the cap lock. Why it took till the 21 century to get a removable breech plug I don't know.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading With out question. But traditions are not making the barrels. Tradition is loosing a huge market in the Fowler market. Find a affordable Fowler. Pedersoli only mass production shotgun in flint or percussion.
Yes 50 is over used they need smooth bore for birds and small game. They need to offer a 2 barrel combo deer and turkey and they would sell like hot cakes.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading better quality control. All models with real metal sights, not plastic junk. Parts you can just order without jumping through hoops to get what you need.
A budget line of inline varminting muzzleloaders in 32 or 36 cal, all that's really around is their crockett rifle in 32 and a pedersoli 32 rifle but at almost 600 dollars for them you could buy 2 or 3 ruger 10/22s for that
I really like history and tradition. I think flintlocks are wonderful to shoot to maintain etc. Never an in-line guy.
Nothing wrong with that!
I love to pair real black powder with home cast bullets in an inline. I think this is a great idea. My fast twist inline will even shoot patch and ball into one hole at 50 yards.
Nice!
In my area it’s a NO LEAD hunting. I like that it’s trying to be more traditional, a step up from inline to a fully traditional muzzleloader
Man no lead rules and being a muzzleloader enthusiast must be a pain
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Welcome to komifornika :p
@@ILoveMuzzleloading sadly New York state has introduced legislation and has the votes to pass the no lead for hunting bill we have here. I have been getting lead free casting material and have put some away to cast with my molds if and when it becomes law. I also bought a fair amount of bismuth shot for my smoothbores.
Great video! A removable breech plug on a sidelock is something ive been working on myself. I think its a great leap in the right direction.
Thanks! I'd love to hear more about your project sometime.
The people at Traditions are very smart to produce this in my opinion, maybe they’ll sell a DIY kit in the.future as well ..
I'm about to purchase the camo version to get away from my traditions deer hunter 50. But I love the removable breach and load capabilities. Just hope the scope mounts hold up.
Wow. Interesting. Funny how plain the wood model is, and yet the "high end" one.
Yeah, I thought that interesting!
I actually like this idea. It's easy to clean like my Optima V2 but it has a more traditional feel to it.
Thanks for sharing!
Would like to see that as a flintlock.
They already have it in flintlock it's their PA ultra light flintlock and I love it
Shedhorn a nice bridge between in-line and traditional muzzleloading .
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Nice video Not sure to get this or the woodsman any suggestions ?
Just FYI Justin , I believe that what you're referring to is a DRUM plug not a breech plug. The breech plug is at the breech of the barrel and you usually don't remove it for cleaning. I have a 43 year old CVA Kentucky rifle that has a removable drum screw for cleaning , so that screw is nothing new.
I think there’s some confusion based on the limited images we have available. I’m talking about the breech plug at the rear and of the barrel.
Hey Eithan happy New year to you.
I love my Pa ultra light flintlock from tradition. The inline ignition is great. I still use a starter of 4f 2 pumps of my pan charger down the barrel and then a main charge of triple 7 2f. 77.7 gr by weight that's 110 grain by volume. With a250 shock wave bullet. I have a vortex crossfire red dot on it for my old eye lol. I have black plastic stock balance is tearable of I packed the butt stock with paper and nine millimeter lead bullets till the balance is right in front of the trigger. Can't say enough for the removal breech plug. Clean up is wonderful. In Canada you need a license for a caplock . Why all my guns are flintlock. Black powder here is 60.00 a lb . Tradition should make that platform with a shotgun barrel to go along with the 50. Deer and turkey gun in one. Great for a young shooter.
Thank you for sharing Mark! How do you like the red dot on there? It's something I want to try. I"ve heard that the black stocks need weight, glad you found a balance! I'm sorry to hear Canada wants a license for a caplock, so weird!!
I'd love to see Traditions make a shotgun barrel for the platform, that would help out so many shooters.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading love the red dot . Took the rear sight off put the rail on. Mount the sight as far forward as you can . To keep the powder burns to a minimum. On the shed horn way to go only if allowed lol. I would have scoped it but the flintlock is in the way.
I have two Traditions guns. I like them both, but the caplock shotgun is a tad weak in the mainspring. But if you learn to handle it it works pretty well.
I also have a plastic flintlock. In all honesty I love that rifle. It ain't very good for small game. But headshots aren't that hard to make, and long shots are pretty effective if I "bark" them. Ignition rivals a caplock. Very quick.
I'd love to have this rifle with a stainless barrel and a 1/60 twist. That would be a dream rifle.
The reason I bought this rifle, is that I couldn't believe how cheap it was. Almost exactly 300 with tax. If it didn't work, I could bring it back.
The cheap Spanish lock is the quickest, and most reliable of my flintlocks. It never fails if I do my part. I see folks slamming these guns. But I'd sell this long AFTER I sold my others.
I couldn't recommend it enough.
Although they also sell a flinter made for substitute powders. Those always hangfire unless you load them with real powder.
On the flip side they are very easily cleaned.
That's so great to hear! Thank you for sharing. I'm glad you find the Spanish made flintlocks useable! It's a nice change of pace to hear this.
Interesting... Shame its only a 50. Id like to see a 58, tempting though. 32 or 36 would be nice too for varmint hunting. Being their Crockett is already 32, would be interesting if they have it this upgrade to the breach.
I think another design of 32 would possibly work but I'm not sure there's enough of a market for 36's or 40's. At least here in the PNW, I don't think any thing under .45 cal are legal for larger game and the number of people hunting rabbits or squirrels with a small bore muzzleloader are tiny.
@@timberinternational2377 East of the Mississippi is where 60% of the U.S. population lives and where 32-45 cal are used for small game. That's where the untapped market is. The problem is, they are not chasing the market, they are chasing the laws.......Laws designed to manipulate hunters/shooters.
A shotgun in that design might be very nice, if done correctly. Smoothbore muzzeloading is very newbie friendly and the removable breech would make cleaning super easy. But they have many aesthetic problems to solve. It's almost like their designers are deliberately building ugly clunky
guns.
@@mr.somebody1493 not a bad idea at all really. Even if they used to same barrel blanks, could easily get into 28 gauge i would think.
@@timberinternational2377 you'd be surprised. But im not strickly thinking of the PNW. Ive gone rabbit and gopher hunting with muzzleloaders a lot in Washington and Idaho. Usually with my 1851 Navys in 36 cause a 50 and a 45 are frankly too much gun and a headshot on something that small is tricky.
I never understood the inline to primitive muzzleloader pipeline, but then again my interest in it was about history and had nothing to do with hunting. My first muzzleloader was a homemade smoothbore 20 gauge fowling piece, and I've pretty much stayed pre civil war in my interest in the hobby.
Archery has something similar going on. Bending a stick and string to launch an arrow is Stone Age history. But we like to reinvent/reboot by adding pulleys to bows.
No chit!…although in-lines are cool…they’re more of a grafted limb on the muzzleloader tree…I see them as a technological way to cheat in on the traditional primitive weapons hunting seasons….the latest greatest in-lines are every thing a centerfire is without the cartridge case…
@@patrickjoseph5028I totally agree. That's always been my standpoint. Why the hell would I wanna hunt in "primitive firearms" season with anything but a primitive firearm? The in line guys take the fun out of it for guys like us who want to have the thrill that comes with successfully harvesting game with 400 year old technology. There's nothing "primitive" about in lines. I don't even find them cool. They're just boring, mass produced, modern hunting rifles with a slower rate of fire.
Nothing wrong with that!
It's all about available money, guys. Traditional, custom muzzleloaders are an expensive luxury many don't get to enjoy until a couple decades of working are behind them. Lots of young guys, and hunters of all ages on a budget really, are looking for the most economical way to expand their deer hunting opportunities. Guns like this can be a gateway for some to traditional guns like custom flintlocks down the road. I hunt like it's 1780, but not everyone can afford to...
As always excellent video Ethan.
Thanks Jack, always good to hear from you.
Greaaaaaat. There go the musket caps haha
Fingers crossed they stick around!
This dude has a "red neck" grill, didn't notice. Good info from this guy.
Hey thanks!
I love the concept of merging old and new.
The low ramrod reminds me of a FR8 Mauser Carbine. It’s not a good look.
I think it could be useful!
Yeah, definitely a repeat on the ramrod design from their other 'hunter' models.
I wonder how accurate it is? Looks like 100gr of pyrodex is the maximum charge. I'd 200 yards is probably maximum range compared to a in-line muzzleloader. I kinda want to get a shed horn just to see what it can do. There are no videos or field testing reviews I can find anywhere for the shedhorn.
Will this twist rate shoot patched round balls ?
Eathan, I’ll add this comment here though it doesn’t apply directly to this video. Good news for primitive muzzleloader fans. You probably know the best way to get the word out.
I just received a notice by way of the DNR newsletter that Maryland has added a primitive weapons only White Tail and Sika deer season running from February 1-3 this year. It appears to be following the Pennsylvania primitive weapons rules, though Maryland rules are a bit more lenient. In addition to flintlock rifles, side lock percussion cap rifles appear to be allowed. Primitive sights only. Check the state’s website for details.
Let’s hope that even more states get on board with this primitive weapons only additional hunting season bandwagon. Thanks
This is great news!! Thank you for sharing!
Looks very simulator to the Traditions Pa Pellet flintlock
It's the same gun 😂. All they did was removed the touch hole and screwed in the drum and nipple and removed the pan from the lock plate but I bet it is a hooked breech. Not a straight peg like in the ultra light. Or Pa
Yep, same 'platform', different features. Easy to produce without changing much tooling.
It be a cool rifle to own and shoot
Is the rifling deep enough on the Shedhorn to accurately shoot the Hornady "Great Plains Bullets" and other longer lead conicals?
Good question, no specs have been shared on rifling depth
Can you possibly do a gel test with a 45 prb and various charges from 60 to 75 grns. Maybe put a 1/2 sheet of plywood in front of it. To simulate a rib or shoulder I have a jukar long rifle wicked accurate and I just want to know if it'll cleanly do it's business on whitetail. And range of 50 to 100yrds
Sure can. I'll see if I can find something in .45 to test with.
I have been looking for a peep sight for my Traditions Hawkin Woodsman with an octal barrel. I have found them for round and tapered barrels but nothing for the octal / flat barrel. Any help / recommendation would be appreciated.
Look up track of the wolf
Check out the "Supplies" section of my Muzzleloading 101 page, www.ilovemuzzleloading.com/muzzleloading101. I've got a list of retailers there you should try
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Thanks for the info.
@@epichistorymaker1888 Thanks for the info.
Anybody know where to get one I would like to pick one up.
I expect them to be at major retailers later this spring
5:30 hunters are the biggest market? That’s surprising. These are the first modern ML I would consider buying. BTW Washington state is the most northwestern state in the lower 48. Many Americans don’t even know it exists. 7:59
I've heard the stat from all the major manufacturers. Sorry for not explicitly saying Washington!
@@ILoveMuzzleloading Sorry if I sounded like I was questioning the data. I believe it...just surprised by it. Re: Washington state. No worries. Most Americans think we're part of Canada or California anyway. Thanks for all you do. I'm sure you get a lot of grief for nothing in particular. Sorry if I contributed to that.
Tradition needs to offer this platform in different caliber and smooth bores . History repeating itself . Flintlock to the cap lock. Why it took till the 21 century to get a removable breech plug I don't know.
I'd love to see Traditions expand into some smoothbores with various chokes! An affordable muzzleloading shotgun would be wonderful and sell quickly.
@@ILoveMuzzleloading With out question. But traditions are not making the barrels. Tradition is loosing a huge market in the Fowler market. Find a affordable Fowler. Pedersoli only mass production shotgun in flint or percussion.
Nice, but the 50cal set up they offer is just too darn over used. Time for bigger calibers and new models.
Yes 50 is over used they need smooth bore for birds and small game. They need to offer a 2 barrel combo deer and turkey and they would sell like hot cakes.
I'd like to see some variation too. I get that these are an easy add on, but some new style would help
Washington state has some strange regulations for muzzle loading.
Yeah when it comes to hunting, many states have a lot of tape.
Traditions needs a new focus group if they want to stay in business. Just my opinion.
They need to work on quality control as well!
What would you like to see from Traditions?
@@ILoveMuzzleloading better quality control. All models with real metal sights, not plastic junk. Parts you can just order without jumping through hoops to get what you need.
A budget line of inline varminting muzzleloaders in 32 or 36 cal, all that's really around is their crockett rifle in 32 and a pedersoli 32 rifle but at almost 600 dollars for them you could buy 2 or 3 ruger 10/22s for that
I unsubbed on commie tube. I subbed on rumble. Commie tube is coming hard for gun content creators. I'm boycotting this app
All good by me. My videos are backed up on Utreon for those that want a gun friendly platform.