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I always felt that the Wandering Beast was the best Paralogue, and that whole thing with Maurice was under explored in both 3 Houses and 3 Hopes, especially in the latter. Like WTF, why wasn't her Paralogue in 3 Hopes an expanded version of that one? It really shows how Marianne in 3 Hopes was coasting off of her 3H popularity. Also, I personally have come to believe that the reason the Relics take so much from their wielders is due to their undying hate for their murderer and the humans who desecrate their remains. That, and something about the overwhelming energy of the Crest Stone needing a more stable form to contain it.
Hello Ghast former Hero now Mortal Savant thanks to Three Hopes. I was wondering if you can get both versions of Scarlet Blazes Showdown at Ailiel in new game + via auxiliary battle without starting a new playthrough.
@@MrGksarathy It probably something more akin to the blood passing down the personalities of the wielder and such. E.g., Ced and other things like the perceived curse of Gae Bolg. (And as Marice + Nemesis bring the 10 elites to 12, it wouldn't be a surprise if the 12 cursaders had a link to them in this alternate timeline.)
@@simplysolus8916 Their similarities to the Twelve Crusaders feel more aesthetic than anything else, and no, basically all the Relics are described as cursed or terrifying in some sense, and as Linhardt's supports demonstrate, all of them take a lot out of their wielders. That being said, I am coming around to the hc that relics and Crests can pass on trauma suffered by either the Nabatean or the Elite who first wielded them, or even physical traits as a sort of supernatural linked gene inheritance, especially with regards to House Blaiddyd. That super strength doesn't seem strictly Crest-related.
Also remember what happened in Hrym. After wiping out the noble house of Hrym the people suffered due to the taxes implemented by Ludwig von Aegir, Ferdinand's father only for their situation to get worse when Thales (posing as Volkhard) took Ludwig's place. He did all of these atrocities in the name of Ludwig so after he fleed to the Hrym territory he was executed for the crimes he didn't commit which is one of the few sympathetic moments for Ludwig. Additionaly it happens outside of Crimson Flower which means where Ferdinand had the hardest time out of any student (besides Dimitri and Dedue) so it must had hurt him even more. Additionaly we learn more about the tragedy of Lysithea's house Ordelia in this paralogue so sure why not
Something that I never thought of until someone brought it up was Jeralt getting killed by Kronya. If he survived in silver snow and he has rhea’s blood and crest. And she made everyone who had those go berserk… You can see where this is going..
He still wouldn't transform into a demonic Beast because he would have to hold a crestone... The Cardinals transformed because they had her blood but they also each had a piece of her crest Stone.. Jeralt would be safe because he does not have a piece of Rhea Crest Stone... it does not help that they were already fanatically loyal to her.. even when they were transformed the loyalty never wavered..
@@rhettmitchell maybe nabetains evolve to the point of being able to drop crest pieces as to desive argathans just like geckos drop part of their tails to distract cats 🤷♀️
@@rhettmitchell they receive a “crest stone fragment and blood” according to Seteh. Jeralt received a decent amount of blood from Rhea so he definitely would’ve gone berserk, but as to if he would become a White Beast, i’m not so sure And they receive a crest stone of similarity to the Crest of Seiros. Rhea doesn’t have a crest stone like Byleth does. Neither does anyone, Byleth is the exception. Those crest stones in the holy tomb could be crest stones of the saints, elites etc. but bottom line, Rhea doesn’t need a crest stone in her to survive
Isn't it implied that Catherine also has Rhea's blood? If that's the case, she would have turned berserk too. But as others mentioned, having a crest stone or a piece of it was necessary for them to transform
I remember seeing the Jeritza/Mercedes support for the first time and just being, shocked. Finding out about Jeritza and Mercedes’ past was interesting, but then when Jeritza said why he killed the dad and left that made things so much worse/interesting. As soon as he said “Mother was past the age to bear children… he would marry…” my face just stopped. I worry to think what would’ve happened if Jeritza hadn’t done what he did. Jeritza never was one of my favorite characters, but that support made me appreciate him a lot more.
@@justagiantnerd8001 I mean back before people really knew about incest and the effects of it royalty would marry into their own blood line to keep it "pure." All that to say it's historically accurate
@@noonespecial7730also it wasn't really incest. Emile and Mercedes were born before their mother was found by the lord. He was only a step/adoptive father to Mercedes. Which like. She's still a child so it's still messed up, but it wasn't his own child
My darkest moment would be knowing that the heroes relics are basically the body of the original warriors they belong to. And the closer you look at them the more you realize it. Even Aymr which I don’t know who’s body they used but it’s the only one that still moves😕
Aymr wasn't made out of Nabatean bones but rather out of Agarthan tech (that's why you use Agarthium instead of Umbral Steel to repair it), but there are still "true" Relics which visibly move, such as the Lance of Ruin
It’s this lore that makes me appreciate the heroes relics much more. Before I really hated most of their designs and thought they looked dumb. But knowing the truth, I understand why they look like that and it feels so tragic and I start caring for these weapons more
@@tomaszkuplowski9258 I actually have a theory about Aymr, which admittedly doesn't have that much evidence but here I go: Aymr might actually be from Nabatean bones, specifically from a transformed Nabatean. If you look at the design, it really looks like part of a dragon wing and/or dragon claw. And consider it can only be used by Edelgard, who has a crest of Seiros, and usually hero's relics can only be wielded by people who's blood/crest matches with the person who's bones were used to make it (In my observations that's how it seems to be anyway, most obvious exemple is Sword of the Creator). Also, notice how the transformed Nabateans are always reptilian but not necessarily dragons, while Rhea is clearly a dragon. I think Aymr might be a piece of a wing of Seiros, acquired either during the war of Heroes or at the battle before the time skip. It's not really a Hero's relic, as Seiros wasn't one of the elites, and also because that name seems to specifically be about weapons used in the war of heroes. But I think it would make a lot of sense if it was actually a piece of transformed Rhea, matches perfectly with it's exclusivity to Edelgard and unexplained origin. The repair material is a factor that contradicts this theory though.
I’m surprised you haven’t talked about Constance’s past and how her trauma is essentially the same as Dimitri’s, yet they have completely different ways of coping. Her whole family and territory was wiped out right in front of her in broad daylight, and that’s why she can’t be in the sunshine without her personality shifting. The Tragedy of Nuvelle
@Henrique Velloso dimitri's way of coping is also much more practical since related to the faerghus legend brought up in one of the Annette/Claude supports, saying that souls can't find peace and rest and suffer for eternity in some kind of hell if they've any regrets left
I mean in the Middle Ages women above 20 were considered as too old to marry and women around 14 (such as Juliette in Romeo and Juliette) were considered in perfect ages to marry so honestly it's not as messed up as it sounds.
I remember when Jeritza was probably my least favorite character in the game. The patch adding him to CF wasn’t out yet and he just seemed to exist for seemingly no reason. Nowadays he’s one of my favorite characters in the game and I can’t really imagine the game without him. He may have not gotten many event cutscenes focused on him but his supports, especially with Mercedes, are all fantastic imo.
ngl i really liked him from the start and was so disappointed when i didnt see him in crimson flower, so that one update was probably one of the happiest days of my life. i genuinely cannot take him seriously after that a support with byleth though lmao
I love Three Houses’ brand of disturbing because a majority of the time it’s caused by people reaching their emotional breaking point because of the power structures they’re stuck in. Malice is rarely the only reason characters commit atrocities in the game
It really goes to show the desperate measures people are willing to take just to survive in a society that seems hellbent on making everyone suffer for the benefit of a few.
Only the Agarthans are the ones operating out of pure malice. Which really bums me out since they are the true villain of Fodlan. Really hope they do a Revelations route where the entire Foldab unites against the Agarthans and wipe them all out. Just like what Nohr and Hoshido did to Anankos in Fates.
@@stevenchoza6391 that too. Also that malice may have extended towards the humanity because they werent able to make Nemesis their puppet. But just imagine if they remained grateful to the Nabateans, Fodlan may have been more prosperous that it was.
@@kuyagab4444 Even the Agarthans outside the leadership could be seen as being trapped in a system that disregards their lives and brainwashes them to act on old grievances and entitlement.
Another dark thing to point out; If you do not recruit Marianne during part 1, she never appears in post time-skip which could imply she turned into a beast or even commited suicide.
I see this theory everywhere and it never made any sense, i get that shes depressed and all that but just because she doesn't make an appearance doesn't mean she died or turned into a beast, there's no proof if it. Besides if u choose silver snow route and don't recruit anyone from blue lions you never see them again, does that mean they all committed suicide too?
The most disturbing moment in Three houses for me will always be the mission where Kronya turns multiple students into demonic beasts. The way Alois describes the situation before the mission begins and the fact that we never find out if the students actually survived this encounter really gets under my skin, especially since we know how horrifying the transformation is as we've seen with Miklan
I always thought Monica’s fate in Three houses is that she’s most likely dead was sad but its even worse where in hapi and balthus’ paralogue where her dad dies just trying to find a way to get her back
That’s something I’ve never seen anyone talk about. The real Monica must have been brutally murdered and replaced by her imposter who was working with Solon and TWSITD. It’s like no one in the game realized this or cared. What makes it worse is I don’t know if Edelgaurd knew that either. Maybe she did but she seemed to hate that they killed Byleth’s dad. Also another thing they all ignored was the part when Ashe was trying to find out what happened to Lonato and that no one cared that he was caught up in a much larger issue all involving TWSTD. And in most of the routes, people especially Rhea, lied for their own selfish reasons which caused more people to die and go down with a bad wrap
@@yoshentertainment Rhea lied a lot, but it was almost never "for selfish reasons." Rhea lost literally everyone dear to her in the most brutal, atrocious way possible and still devoted her extremely long life to serving humanity. I don't think there's a character in the game more selfless than Rhea.
@@brandonjuno that’s true but at the same time she used people in experiments to try and bring her mother back. I think her lying was still also to save her and her people. She couldn’t tell the truth or everyone would know about their bones, blood, and crest stones
@@yoshentertainment She created people, with the intention of only creating one; there's a distinction there. The motivation to do that was partly selfish of course -- she desperately missed her mother -- but it was also explicitly for humanity's sake as well.
@@brandonjuno this is an important distinction as it appears that even her failures despite being artificial beings were left until they died before Rhea would take the crest stone back to start again.
Okay one more. Not quite as dark as the others but still interesting. Within the Abyss Library there are banned books not intended for public consumption. Within one of the books titled the truth of the hero's relics a priest began researching the Hero's Relics and how they worked. He discovered just from his research alone that the heroes relics were similar in composition to wyvern bones and yet far more durable and powerful. What's more there were Heroes Relics that were not linked to the 10 Elites, creating the theory that these weapons were not gifts of the goddess. As fervently as he was researching though suddenly he stopped seemingly for no reason at all declaring that the goddess would not want him to learn anymore. Which gives the impression that something happened to him after his research was found out.
Epimenides have the ability to use all of those weapons with no crest is truly terrifying. Only imposing the crests to slowly kill those "beasts" after they have finished with them. Even Sothis not having a single care that her old Spine is that which your Judgement is passed
11:45 man you can really hear the pain and anger in Seteth’s voice here telling that lie knowing what the true history is and what really happened to him and Rhea’s kind. Honestly Rhea, Seteth and Flayn are really mentally strong having to lie about their own innocent clan, and sort of act like the Nabateans were evil gods, and praise Nemesis as a hero simply for the sake of keeping peace. If Rhea and Seteth wanted, they could’ve easily destroyed humanity long ago. Seteth seems to be one of the strongest in Fodlan and could’ve used his dragon form back then, and Rhea really could’ve created an army of dragons and golems and just destroyed humanity if they really wanted to.
@Dastardly1 Shamir and Cyril are literally openly atheistic and Rhea is perfectly happy to have them around the monastery. There's a pagan altar to a Dagdan god *right below* the monastery, which doesn't really strike me as 'killing everyone who doesn't worship her'. Rhea's attitude is more like 'do whatever you want as long as you don't rock the boat'. Hell, the only reason the Crest System still exists is because Rhea didn't want to topple the existing power structures put in place by the Elites. To address your other point, the Agarthans went underground long before the Adrestian Empire was founded, because they-- y'know-- basically nuked the planet so badly that Sothis had to go comatose just to fix it.
For me, the most disturbing thing in 3 Houses is that it's heavily implied that both Dorothea and Yuri were forced into sex work due to poverty, *when they were children*.
@@micheledelloglio5820 I think she maybe implied it at some point, but she did pretty explicitly say was sexually assaulted by nobles while she was in the opera
Yeah and Yuri fully confirms it in 3 Hopes *SPOILER* I don’t remember which route, but it’s in the Count Rowe chapter and he mentions the count doing quite unsavory things with him after he adopted him
@@micheledelloglio5820 In the middle ages, being an actor was synonymous with being a sex worker. And we know Dorothea had to flirt back with the nobles who saw her show.
@@rhettmitchell oh dang. I did assume that Count Rowe adopted Yuri to tie him to him, not as a son, but as a "lover" and operative (since Yuri's time at house Varley was after the adoption). Which is so fucked up because he was *14* at the time.
For better or worse, the world of Foldan can be shockingly depressing at times, and sometimes it gets to the point it feels like it's running on dramatic irony. In particular, the Death Knight's backstory was so sad to me that it killed what little joy I had when fighting the guy in 3Hs (though the fact he's reused as a bonus boss a ton also played a part in it).
Dimitri's Japanese VA does a great job as well, his dialogue with Edelgard on Azure Moon Chapter 17 is amazing in Japanese. That said, I'd say Chris Hackney is the definitive Dimitri voice, he's perfect for the character
@@BardockSkywalker agreed. I'm usually a sucker for JP voice but the EN VAs for 3H are so good especially Dimitri and some others (imo) like ignatz, lorenz, ferdie, ashe, petra, and a bunch of others Edit : i was gonna add Claude but his both EN and JP voice are equally good so i can't really pick. I mean have you heard Claude snapped at rhea in JP voice? Holy shit dude
@@raviolibirb8009 I've heard many say English Claude is far removed from the Japanese version of the character. Tbh, I was never a huge fan of Joe Zieja version of Claude, so I wouldn't be surprised.
@@l.n.3372 to each their own ig. I don't really find his EN voice to be far removed from JP voice. if anything, Dimitri's vocal gap between EN and JP is more far removed than Claude's. Man got deeper voice in EN
when i first realized jeritza and mercie were siblings i immediately began to enjoy their characters, especially after learning why they were separated. after this video i just love them even more and i’m reminded on how depressing the world of fodlan is… i haven’t played three hopes yet but i was hoping to know what crest dorothea is carrying in her blood or about her parents just for closure, but you can do only so much lore building.
I agree,Mercedes is my number 1 favourite character because of the trauma that she,her brother and their mother endured just because they have a crest. It also breaks my heart that Mercedes felt guilty about leaving her brother in House Bartels and she blames herself that she’s the reason that Jeritza became the death knight but she know realised why he became that way and she decides to stick by him even at the cost of her life. This is definitely one the best sibling bond in the series.
I didn’t really get what you meant at first but I guess you mean maybe Dorothea’s father thought that her mom had a crest in her bloodline?? That’d be interesting but oh well we can’t have too much interesting writing
@shinyblue4774 Him and Bernie is my favorite Bernie pairing. Childhood friends from different social classes. Plus, giving Count Varley the middle finger by Bernie marrying a man who's basically broke AF.
@@DarkLore1992 Count Rowe also deserves to be put down With all that was implied he did to Yuri (besides putting him up to the job of hurting Bernie) is terrible I love both of these characters sm, Bernie and Yuri deserve the world
Oh this is a big one and it has to do with Hubert. So those within House Vestra are taught from birth to serve their emperor in all things. Hubert's emperor is Edelgard. Now when Edelgard was taken to the kingdom, Hubert lost his mind and went running after her for 3 days. He says he doesn't know whether it comes from love or not. And when it comes time for Edelgard's coup he says he hated his father and had no problem with killing him because his father took part in the Insurrection of the Seven. His father defended his family over his emperor and that's unforgivable to Hubert. Which raises the question: is Hubert's devotion to Edelgard the result of love or because of his programming? Was he brainwashed from birth to follow Edelgard in everything and is he able to question it?
Hubert makes it clear they follow the same goals/path. That's where his current devotion is from. He says, I believe in their C or B support, that it stopped being about duty once she was kidnapped. At that moment, when he nearly lost her forever, he realized that she meant more to him than just a princess to protect from duty. So whether it's romantic love or platonic love, it's not duty from his family business - it's real.
Videos like these is why I appreciate Ghast so much. I'm not sure which moment was the darkest for me but the Umbral Beast is one that always comes to mind. Put yourself into Byleth's shoes and imagine seeing your dead but beautiful mother for the first time only for her to be turned into a hideous monster and being forced to kill her again.
If I was in Byleth's position after witnessing the whole scene, I would have tears falling down my face while I was about to do the unthinkable, saying "I love you, mom." as I plunge my sword into the Umbral Beast.
I feel like Byleth even if you argue his special condition makes them emotionless 90% of the time would need therapy after seeing someone mesh with the their dead parents needs therapy or a special cooking session with Ashe
I think what’s disturbing is that the Creast system and Hero’s Relics feel so ingrained in the world of Fódland that trying to get rid of it or weaken the need to rely on their systems won’t happen until many years later. On top of that, Edlegard’s war declaration further depended on the need to use the Hero’s relics and send out soldiers with crests.
That's what makes three hopes that much more depressing to me because the blue lions house (my absolute favorite house in 3 houses) just resigns itself to accepting that crests are needed and must be kept around. Granted dimitri was never as vocal about opposing crests as edelgard or claude, you still see that he understands the harm crests have done to those around him and those he loves. In three Hopes everyone of the blue lions just resigns to accepting crests and their fate and I absolutely hate it. There's no hope of change, it's just maintaining the status quo.
@@TFStudios As usual my meme is still applicable. One day it wont be necessary. Until then, here you go. Manray: Azure Moon and Azure Gleam both have Dimitri make reformations, yes? Patrick: Yup Manray: Faerghus never had a constitutional monarchy or rejected Crests Patrick: Yup Manray: Dimitri made those and other changes happen and has supports discussing change in AG Patrick: Makes sense to me Manray: Then Dimitri wants and *did* change the status quo Patrick: Nah Dimitri doesnt and didnt change the status quo 3 years and this is STILL happening.
Edlegard works with the shadowy cabal she hates, and that choice ultimately prolongs war on the continent until well past her expiration date since she remembers she hates them and declares war on them... WHILE THEY'RE WITHOUT THEIR CRESTS... but hey, the game doesn't seem to call out that stupidity because she's the player's partner in that route.
@@wroughtp1002 They changed Bernadetta's support to make it closer to the Japanese version and to remove implications that the Japanese version had never implied. That's really all it is to it.
@@Mr.Sniffles Which lines are you talking about? I know many complain that Edelgard was poorly localized/translated. But much of her Japanese dialogue is just as bad if not worse. There's stuff in the Japanese dialogue that is arguably even more sus at times.
@@l.n.3372 I know Edelgard had a few of them. I don’t remember all of them, but I remember in the Azure Moon final conversation she and Dimitri have, she says something like “a high born noble like yourself doesn’t understand how the poor feel or what motivates them” but she was really supposed to say something along the likes of “someone fortunate like you doesn’t understand those of us who don’t have those things”. Basically, Dimitri was talking about how Byleth supported him, but Edelgard was basically saying she had no one and was basically alone her life (since Dimitri basically always had his friends, Gilbert, Lambert and Byleth while Edelgard was experimented on and alone for the longest, and is basically trying to make a change for the world with no one at her side to really support her like Dimitri does). I think that was basically supposed to be her recalling her bad times of her being alone.
Probably the darkest thing for me is the whole body snatching thing those who slider in the dark, it's just super creepy to take the image of others like that, and then the way they use it to mess with the politics or stability of the lives of who knows how many people... Creepy
The whole cover up by Rhea, the origins of Relics and Crests is so messed up, I agree. It's also an example that telling the truth would be awful in the short term, but better in the long term.
Fodland is by far the most fleshed out Fire Emblem world. I hope we get more games in this universe, whether it’s a prequel or sequel to the 3 houses games. It feel like a waste to not have more stories here.
A sequel would be difficult, even if they chose a route (Most likely Silver Snow?) for one, that'd piss a lot of people off, but for two, now you've got to figure out how to kill a potentially immortal former protagonist who has the powers of a God and complete control over time to boot Would definitely take a prequel though maybe covering the war of heroes?
Not even that (*spoilers if you haven’t seen it yet*) but I think he says that the count himself did some stuff to him as well, even while literally being the one who adopted him
I've always compared the Tragedy of Duscur to the real life Rosewood Massacre of 1923 and it's about to hit its anniversary really soon. There's also a movie on it.
These are all so awful, it sometimes makes me forget Fire Emblem is a Nintendo franchise. Bernadetta’s backstory is so messed up too, they even had to change the dialogue, i think her situation is also a consequence of the nobility and crest system, she was the only child of house Varley and she had a crest, making her really “valuable” for her father, so he tried to set her up with a powerful noble to gain power and money, like the prime minister son for example, Ferdinand (revealed by Ferdie and Bernie A support). So Count Varley trained Bernadetta to be a “good submissive wife”. which traumatized her, suffering from PTSD and making her struggle with extreme anxiety…. Its so sad and messed up.. :(
Jeritza had me sitting there just staring in the void for like 10 mins. And while it got covered in other videos, the reason why Edelgard and Lysithia have white hair is easily up there.
This is one of many reasons why I love this game so much. The Worldbuilding and hidden lore is absolutely incredible, this game puts so much effort into its World that I grew to love every aspect of it
I’m just annoyed Sylvain’s support with Mercedes was changed for players in the United States since it was apparently too dark, but like look at all this other stuff they still kept in. Great video btw.
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodLurker To sum it up, Mercedes doesn't appear as dismissive of Sylvain and is actually very understanding. She correctly deduces that, thanks to his upbringing and experiences, he's developed a severe hatred and *fear* of women. He asks her not to tell his friends or other women, and says that they both have had their fair share of pain in their lives. He starts crying while Mercedes comforts him, and he essentially confesses that he loves her.
Another dark part of the story is Rhea's golems. Some of these were kings of the Adestriane(spelling) empire that Rhea used for the rituals you mentioned.
First off, welcome back and good video as usual. You all do great work. Ill be honest, I really dont hold anything against Rhea for her lies. She didnt have a choice. What is a lie versus innocent lives? Hell this isn't even getting into the horrific truth of the relics. I cant imagine giving up my literal family and friends bones and hearts just to make peace stable. Gloryfing Nemesis after all the vile things he did. Her lies did contribute to misery, but that was never the intent. She only tried her best. How could I hate her for that? Rhea isnt a bad person. She did make some bad choices, like what she tried to do with Byleth. But beyond that, I forgive her. She deserves a break and to finally move on with her life. Man Fodlan truly was a fascinating world with all the dark and brooding story telling. To think the first half is kosher for the most part only for...everything to happen.
100% Rhea was between a rock and a hard place. And Marianne shows the consequences of revealing the truth vs lying to protect innocent people. If Rhea hadn't lied back then, everybody would be like Marianne: hated and persecuted because of fear of their bloodline corrupting them into demonic beasts.
yeah same here. There's a similar situation in Attack on Titan, letting everyone know the truth of the actual past, I think it was not needed honestly because their ignorance kept the peace
I'm not sure if there are any other games in the franchise besides this one and Sacred Stones with severe WTF moments that either explore part of the main story, look back in the childhoods of many characters, or describe undertones in regards to the weight of the current battle that could have major implications regardless of which side wins. And if there are, you may have covered them already.
The saddest thing about Godfrey’s death to me is that his father (Claude’s grandfather) died before knowing what really happened to his son. I don’t think you find out the full truth behind his death in Three Houses, and in Three Hopes Claude is Duke Riegan by the time you unlock Lorenz, Ignatz, and Raphael’s paralogue. And even if he were still alive when the paralogue takes place, he would likely pass away before they found out who Count Gloucester’s impostor was due to his old age and poor health. So he lost his son and heir to monsters without knowing the true events, and his daughter left Fódlan to marry the Almyran king. And while I’m thinking of Tiana, I wonder if she ever found out what happened to her brother too… at least Claude might’ve been able to write her a letter or something.
Man watching this really shows a lot of the lore can be lost in the little text or just by forgetting it because the game is just so long. Also, you might have missed this part, but it was revealed in Fallen Rhea's Forging Bonds support in FEH that the reason why it was forbidden to bring back Sothis to life was because Sothis herself said she didnt want to be brought back to life.
@@TrueBladeSoul You know, that makes sense from what we're given in the story Nemesis and the elites being heroes then becoming corrupted. If they were the bones of evil gods then it could make sense that they were corrupting them.
Let's make one thing very clear, Cyril wasn't a servant. He was a slave, one of many, and House Goneril basically was a slave mill and participated in human trafficking, or at least were involved in a system of human bondage. This is why I cannot truly like Holst, because not once does he acknowledge his role in all this, and he's treated as a good guy despite this.
The devs don't really care about Almyra or anything to do with them sadly. So we'll never get a true analysis about the tragedy of Almyran child soldiers being kidnapped by house Goneril as child slaves.
We are humans, humans make mistakes, what a mistake is depends on culture And education, on Holst perspective he wasnt commiting mistakes, that's what I love of TH
@@leoistari This isn't a matter of Holst making a mistake, but rather the game not adequately acknowledging his complicity in a great evil. Hilda is at least confronted with some of that reality in her Cyril supports.
Something thats kind of glossed over in the game is the moment in the Holy Tomb chapter when Rhea is making Byleth sit on Sothis's throne, what she's actually trying to do is make Sothis overtake Byleth's soul entirely to try and bring her back completely. This would in effect be the death of Byleth and the only reason it doesn't work is because Sothis already willingly merged with Byleth's soul in the chapted prior. This is why Rhea is visibly disappointed when nothing happens and doesn't understand what else was missing. The worst part of this is we see the flipside to this in Three Hopes where Sothis is incredibly cold and selfish because she hasn't been helping Byleth teach the students and actually forces her own power onto Byleth out of pure self-preservation. That moment made me realize why the Ancient Agarthans viewed Sothis as the Fell Star who invaded their home and drove their people to extinction.
Sothis being very antagonistic to her own vessel in Three Hopes was very surprising for me, I can't blame the Agarthans for seeing her that way at all. I really would have liked more lore on the Agarthan's history with Sothis because we lack so much context despite TWSITD being pretty much the driving force behind most of the events in the games.
True, but interestingly enough, Sothis warns against them sitting on the throne because then she would completely take over her body and she would rather not erase Byleth. She could have tricked or forced Byleth into sitting on the throne and destroying any possible resistance, but she chooses not to. So even Three Hopes Sothis has some morals on the whole situation.
An idea, sad if true, i had was this: at the end of Crimson Flower in 3 houses Sothis's crest fades away after u kill Rhea but no reason was ever given. Byleth's crest heart is not powered or connected to Rhea in any way, she simply gave it to him, besides that she dies in silver snow and verdant wind if you don't marry her but Byleth still has his crest heart and green hair. This could mean one of 2 things, either Sothis willingly chose to abandon Byleth, whether he died from their separation or not, because he killed her daughter Rhea, or she died of a broken heart and the fading crest is a symbol of it. We know this is possible since if u marry Sothis she says she is always watching.
@@abraxas1262 wow I actually didn't know u could marry sothis in CF i never scrolled all the way down cuz I married her in a different playthrough. Interesting stuff that the lines change tho
I never got the impression that Byleth lost their Crest, just their Crest Stone. I think that Byleth inherited the Crest from Sitri, not that it was necessarily caused by the presence of a Crest Stone. So after the Crest Stone disappears, the Crest's power doesn't go away but the ability to wield the Sword of the Creator does.
To add to the dark/weirdness of the Hero Relics: How did they figure out how to make them/ make them work? That ain't something you just figure out from trial and error. I have a personal head cannon that one of Sothis's kids betrayed them and taught the humans how to make the Hero relics by kill his/her kin. A Seath the Scaleless situation if you will.
Like how human ancestor use bones as weapon. I think a bunch of people just wield the dragon bone around. Some bone lit up, some don't. THen they forge it into weapon relic
Happy to see videos from you again and this was a fun watch. I was also happy to see my boy Cyril get a mention because he gets a lot of hate, at least from my friends, but it feel so unfair given his backstory and Rhea did more than save his life, she gave him a life worth living. On a side note to that though, she is super shady when she does it because she really only keeps him for manual labor and seems to mostly be exploiting him and using a child's need for validation to control him. He isn't taught to read, and according to his and Seteth's supports, he doesn't have much future outside being a servant.
Mario Fans: "Oh, I'd love to visit the Mushroom Kingdom. The Toads are so cute!: Zelda: Fans: "I'd love to visit Hyrule and see all the different races and landmarks!" Fire Emblem: Three Houses/Hopes Fans: "No, thanks. I'm good."
Whenever I think about dark moments in FE3H, I can't help but think about Yuri's backstory. If you know, you know... and I always suspected it was the case based on his supports with Dorothea, but it was basically confirmed with NPC dialogue in Hopes talking about 'rumors' around Count Rowe...
Great video as always, Ghast. I think this style of video is really cool coming from you. Love to see it! Also, the Mercedes/Jeritza support conversation is my favorite platonic support in the game but I never see other people talk about how utterly dark it is. I got chills the first time I heard Jeritza talk about what his father did.
Based on quotes regarding Edelgard Mom, it is Implied That Argathneans Kept Their Word To Her in the worst possible way... It Implied That They used Her a as a sacrifice To successfully operate On Edelgard... it's quite possible that edelguard not only lost her memories because She saw Her siblings being butchered.. Buy Because She Witness The Argathneans Kill Her Mother. In my opinion it's quite possible that they tampered with her memories to an Extent That's just my head Canon.
It's even worse in three hopes cuz it is implied that Edelgard herself might have had an unwilling hand in Lady Patritia's/Anselma's demise, and that her memory loss is a result of both the Agarthan's tampering and her repressing the memories of that traumatic event.
The warping of the Crest system by human greed is probably the most relatable part of Fodlan's general structure, and I have to wonder if humans and dragons really aren't so different - for the one, corruption manifests itself with the degrading of one's mind, but only results in death; for the other, however, not only is the mind already degraded (albeit in a different way) but it spreads its degradation to others who are otherwise just trying to lead a normal life. Ironically, I feel that this is why Edelgard is the worst fit of the three to lead, because she doesn't recognize her own corruption and how her efforts to break the Crest system will not bring the relief she thinks it will, but only continued suffering for all. It certainly won't heal her, that I guarantee.
Considering how laws are warped and abused in our history even without powers being added it’s not like much really changed. The only thing different is who the finger is being pointed at.
@@megashyguy123 Meritocracy historically only begets misery and abuse of others. There is a reason its mocked to this day and why looking it up has empirical evidence to support why it's bad. All of these political structures of Fodlan are bad in their own way. But the Crest system beget abuse in pursuit of power. All meritocracy will do is make it more easy to do. Especially when the the ruler is supreme and can do what they want. It's why I perfer Dimitri. Constitutional Monarchy is still flawed, very much so, but it historically paves the way for democratic-esque systems. That and I like to think Byleth being the archbishop, and the people who are in support of their king, and future generations wouldnt take to kindly to a ruler not listening to the people. Byleth being immortal is easily the best chance Fodlan has at having not just peace but one with as little misery as possible. That's big pro too.
There are no such thing as perfect leaders. Dimitri, Edelgard, Claude, and Rhea do the best they believe is right, but they are not infallible and are going to make mistakes along the way. However, I think Edelgard has the right to it. Even if the system she places isn't ideal, the fact that she brings about an innovation where people are not judged by their bloodlines, but rather by their accomplishments, is one that will promote the growth of people and inspire them to no longer be bound by the station of their birth. For this reason, I believe Edelgard is the best leader of the lords.
@@0axis771 That is understandable, but the above replier, Justinian, has the best understanding of the situation as well as their particular styles of rule.
Cruelty and corruption not lurking just beneath Fodlands relative harmony, but beneath the heart of human species, as you say, the crest system, just like any other, can be gamed by those smart and cruel enough to their advantage, to horrid and disgusting effects more often than not, its simply all about the people at the top and the human condition that binds us all. This is one of the reasons why the entirety of Three Houses storyline and where it leads is so horrifying, the price paid for simply conflict of ideals between people who all in the end wished the best for their world and people, it all comes crushing down to torrents of blood and suffering because of their inability to cooperate.
This game made me realize how lore and story are essentials to make a good FE game. I feel that this made 3 Houses way better than Engage, as it focused on giving depth to every single character and how they relate to their world’s events. It feels that every event in Fódlan’s history is connected to a playable character in some way. It’s not like engage where they just put together a boring story and just threw characters in with bland personalities that revolve around the main character (most of the time, some characters don’t apply, but they feel boring to listen to and they offer little personality or depth or growth). Fódlan feels real, unlike Elyos, which feels very fake not only in events but in continent structure as well. Like you go in a freaking square for crying out loud.
It’s crazy how much Three Houses brought to the table with the story and lore… and now I’m wondering how Engage is gonna even hold up with the story, or if it falls off.
I'm already worried Engage isn't even going to come close with it's story and worldbuilding with them relying on fanservice to older games and the style looking similar to Awakening's simplistic story. Hopefully they prove me wrong.
I really feel it’s not going to be as deep as it was probably just a fan service game for the 30th anniversary but delay from Covid. It really seems to be simple and focusing more on fan service
I always knew that Three Houses is probably one of the darkest entries in the franchise. Thinking about the way the Heroes' Relics were made just make me want to throw up and the story of Mercedes and Jeritza/Emile makes me want to hug them both and say that everything will be alright while trying my best to hide my own tears.
This was a great video, does an amazing job highlighting that there’s no right path, even if you felt Edelgard was or wasn’t justified in starting the War
what is sad about this is that things like this happened and still happening until this day, in different ways but still terrible, for example, the arrangement marriage, still happening these days and force some people to marry, it could happen in many ways, even in rich places like Japan, in order to preserve the "noble blood" they still force young ones to marry, and of couse they don't have election, even if they already have a couple they are forced to leave it, they can decor it with everything they want but that still horrible, sadly, there is people who defend all this because "it is cultural" and boy, there are really many sad stories around all this, i know someone who went all this, and just like all these marriages that comes from this "culture" it ends terrible, there are many possible variations but all end the same
I think that's one of my gripes about Three Houses/Hopes, in the grand scheme nothing gets finished everything gets left on cliffhangers so there's no real satisfaction, its unfortunate that we're not getting DLC for 3 hopes because I would of loved some closure regarding Shez's background and their mother. But a few fire emblem game are guilty of having plot point not get resolved as well an extreme amount of misunderstandings, prime example is fates when you fight Camilla when she thinks you kidnapped Elise, Elise herself even says "Camilla they didn't kidnap me I joined them on my own" and "genius" Camilla is like "I'll kill you all for kidnapping Elise" and I'm like "you stupid crazy b$%&$"
To be fair to Camilla, Corrin says he joined Hoshido for peace and Camilla just says he must have been brainwashed but she'll kill the Hoshidans and things will go back to normal. Feelings over logic with her
My favorite dark momment was the (spoilers ofc) revelation of the true story of the 10 elites and the relics, i thought that was so messed up and the fact that the relics seem to be kind of alive as some of them move if look at them up close.
Rhea and the Nabateans easily have the most tragic backstory in the game, that it bothers me that so much of the fandom either ignores it or is unaware of it. And considering the shit she goes through on *all routes*, I always felt she deserved a good ending the most out of anyone. Just let her be happy for once please.
@@Ace-2048 For sure. For being the main antagonist in 2 routes, she had very little to do and wasn't particularly well-developed, and that's doubly so as an ally.
They’re not unaware. They just don’t care. Too many people try to say the church is evil, xenophobic, the cause of everything. Her backstory is ignored for the evil church narrative.
I loved both this and the last video and it's clear that the difference between the "horror" of Sacred Stones and 3 Houses is one is more direct and the other is more implicit. Yet they still remain two of the most frightening games in the series. On the Subject matter itself, the end of the Blue Moon Route has always stood out to me because of the ritual that transformed Edelgard into a frankly horrendous being, moreso because in Crimson Flower, this never happens, meaning that Edelgard's reliance on Byleth is that of a guardian/parent figure than of a Teacher. So my theory is that a conspiracy formed to remove Edelgard from her position of leadership but use the last of her life as a last stand maneuver. Which is horrific to think about.
In fairness, a LOT of the games' supports (and its themes overall) involve people forgiving one another for past transgressions, both perceived and real. Ingrid coming to realise how baseless and cruel her prejudice against Dedue and his kin truly was... Dorothea letting go of her hatred for Ferdinand, who in her mind embodied almost everything she'd grown to hate about the nobility... Lorenz seeing his commonfolk allies with a fresh and more appreciative perspective... Caspar and Petra burying the hatchet for their families' history of fighting and killing each other... Bernadetta not holding Yuri's attempt on her life against him... The list goes on for a LONG while. Catherine and Ashe are certainly among the more extreme examples, since her transgression is both real and dealt by her own hand, but their situation is not a total outlier for Three Houses and not impossible given they have more than 5 years to work things out.
And people say that if El didn’t do anything everything would have been fine and peaceful. Claude probably would have done it instead just later. And for How much I love dime he probably would not have done enough on his own.
Because it would've been. Dimitri had his own plans and was pretty progressive in 3Hopes and seemingly was going to be just as progressive as his 3Houses counterpart. Hell nobody disagrees with Edelgard. I don't. Just her methods and assessment. Faerghus was going to change, hell I like to think Claude would've found his own ways to enact change too, even if he too had his imperialistic desires. He was and is an opportunist. I just dont think he would do what Edelgard did outright so perhaps he would be malleable. But the answer to save others and make the world a better place isn't imperialism and conquest. That's why she was wrong. She couldve left well enough alone after taking control of Adrestia. Literally none of the sovereigns nor Rhea were gonna stop her in 3 Hopes. She was to some extent held back by the Agarthans but its clear she was always gonna wage war. Her stopping the Agarthans wasnt her main goal. Edelgard's war was both pointless, but not without some merit. After all, if she wins she gets to change Fodlan on her own terms. But to say it was necessary to make the world a better place couldn't be anymore wrong. Especially when none of the respective rulers are even given a chance to try.
@@justinianthe1st790 See, here's the problem. MAYBE it would have changed. But there are several problems. One, Dimitri wanted slow and steady reforms, hoping that the people would learn and change themselves. However, what about the countless nobles that wouldn't agree to this? How long would it take before THEY decided to change? A hundred years? Two hundred? Or maybe a full thousand years? How many more people have to suffer under the Crest system before things FINALLY change? And the other problem is Rhea. You can talk about Rhea hating Crests, but it was HER that preached the belief that Crests are blessings of the goddess and that people need them. That leaders are the ones that have Crests. And 3Hopes has the GW route have Rhea admit that she has no faith in humanity and that she sees herself as someone that NEEDS to keep control over humans and always guide them. You think Rhea would suddenly change her stance and that she'd suddenly start preaching that Crests are unnecessary? Nope. The end result of this is that the changes are too slow. Eventually, the obsession with Crests over declining Crest bloodlines would result in people warring for Crests, trying to get them by any means necessary. Religion wars would be fought because they'd believe that if they have no Crests, the goddess must have abandoned them because there no longer are any blessings. Edelgard already knew well ahead that this state of Fodlan was impossible and all that awaited the people was ruination. She was not going to accept the current state of things. If Rhea was going to keep this current status quo ongoing, then she had to be removed.
Three Hopes literally proves a war wasn't necessary. All three countries were making giant steps to reform in the two-year timeskip until the declaration of war, which ironically made reform harder and take longer.
The last one about Emile make me very trust Edelgard that only way to solve everything so twisted is to abolish all of it. I find Lysethea were really depressed but that pale when compared to Emile.
my mind always goes to the sexual abuse yuri is implied to have gone through, from count rowe being implied to adopt him due to his "pretty face" to his supports with dorothea in which he outright states that nobles who were interested in her would use him as an "inferior substitute", which he himself states left him feeling like he was dirty and unloveable, a pretty common feeling for children who are survivors of sexual abuse. im genuinely shocked about the fact that they put all that in the game.
The fact he also says he was a replacement for Dorothea is just so sad Their support together was honestly great but it also extremely dark and explains alot of how both characters see the nobility, who has done nothing but hurt them
What's really messed up about Cyril is that he *willingly* does clean up work & other jobs on his own for the monastery, but he doesn't mind since it's for Rhea instead... This is super messed up when you consider the fact that he was once a slave
@@BardockSkywalker It may seem fucked up to people who don't understand, but this is how it usually ends up working when you try to "liberate" someone who grew up in slavery. Since the things they were forced to do in slavery are the only things they know how to do, they'll continue to do them even when freed- as it's the only sense of purpose they basically know, unless you teach them something else. Even to that end, Cyril has enough agency to learn how to read and write on his own (with help from others, of course). This is basically why Rhea didn't stop him- he was perfectly content to do all the work he did, and it was better than hiring someone from the village to do the same jobs. Sure, you could call it "taking advantage" of him, but Cyril himself definitely doesn't see things that way. He's just happy to be able to do *anything*. Long story short, Cyril himself doesn't see it as something shameful or beneath him to do all of these things. He uses the skills he's learned to make himself useful, regardless of how others see him.
@@BardockSkywalker She did but Cyril can't imagine himself doing anything else. If you do his support with Seteth he outright says that Rhea gave Cyril the Carte Blanche to live as he pleases but Cyril doesn't want to use it.
@@BardockSkywalker Both Rhea and Seteth tell him he doesn't have to work but he insists out of a sense of gratitude. Personally I find it cute in a "I've always been forced to do this, but now I'm doing it willingly out of love" kind of way.
i love how much parallels 3houses has to genealogy, im not sure about 3hopes but i wish houses had a manfroy for those who slither in the dark instead of just "we wanna revive nemesis"
Maybe a video on theory crafting? I don't know how to explain it, but crests and relics could've been possible in the Archanea/Valentia world. Look into what Duma did with the people of Thabes, Falchion being a fang of Naga, and the Echoes exclusive weapons (Only royalty could use the Royal Blade with the exclusive Double Lion combat art). Good luck on finding a place!
The Crest system/Relic Weapons is most certainly a critique of the exalt brand/the Falchion and more generally all the pieces of fantasy media where royalty/nobility have special heridarty magic and weapons. It shows the injustice that would actually result, taking inspiration from history. Maybe not a theory, but he could make a really good video comparing how these systems are depicted in other Fire Emblem games vs 3H.
@@abraxas1262 It COULD be ... But that's not what the devs said. So basically it's death of the author: relying on self interpretation of the game based on how each player individually views it. And if it's just self interpretation, people don't really have the right to do around saying "hey this is OBVIOUSLY what the devs intended and my interpretation is right only." As long as people don't force their opinions down other's throats, it's fine to have their own interpretation. As for what the devs said tho, it's an homage to FE4. They even said the whole officer's academy itself was inspired by Sigurd, Quan and Eldigan in their military academy days. And let's be real here: 3H praises crests just as often as it says crests bad. It's hilarious and ironic how the only reason Edelgard of all people is viewed as the best unit in CF is because of Amyr aka a crest based weapon only she can use without NG+. Crests bad huh? Seems like gameplay wise, crests good - like how gameplay wise holy blood good.
@@abraxas1262 Maybe you should read my original comment on this thread. I was replying to a person above who said crests are (their words not mine) "a critique of the exalt/brand/falchion etc" to which I said no - they're an homage to holy blood in FE4. You're the one who said "it must be a critique of FE4" not me. I didn't make this topic about a critique of FE4, you did. I was correcting the above dude who said it was about the falchion/the exalt brand etc from stuff like Awakening and Echoes. Because it absolutely wasn't. And to respond one final time to you, the story in 3H is an absolute mess. The crests are stolen by humanity by killing dragons and drinking their blood. That's obviously bad and it should be clear why. But when Edelgard is lying all game about the false origin of crests, combined with gameplay pretty much making crest units better on average, any messages you want to take are just as mixed and convoluted as they were back in FE4. And by the war, holy blood in FE4 was never seen as bad at all. It was incest that was viewed as bad story wise but great gameplay wise for holy weapons.
I don't know if this counts but despite the assholes the Agarthans can be, i think their hatred becomes from the fact that Sothis literally disappeared all of their lands and people, considering how inmense the anger and desires of Revenge of Thales and all of them. I don't know i suppose thats something very sad and very comparable to Rhea's feelings concerning the Nabateans
To be honest, it was really dumb of their ancestors to square up to Sothis and literally challenge her to a battle for dominance which they then proceeded to lose most disastrously.
For Rhea to even continue calling her mother Sword of the Creator after Nemesis was defeated just goes to show how her ambition for revenge consumed her. I don't think it's clear who named the sword, but it can have a double meaning depending on whether you regard Sothis a god, hence a creator, or maybe Nemesis is the creator since he fashioned it from her bones. Divine Pulse is really all you see as Sothis' main power, which to be fair didn't save her from her fate, so it's possible she's just a divine powerful being, and not an actual god. It lends more credence that Nemesis, or at least his people, named the sword. To have your body being whipped around like a tool, and to be disregarded as just a sword to use is bad enough already, but to have your own daughter continue to perpetuate the relic's name is a disservice to her memory. Albeit, it is likely her way of coping with the horrible reality of her people. Maybe she is trying to reapply the name to regard her mother as her own creator. Regardless of where the name came from, it still lingers with the tainted lies Rhea spread, and the consequences of upholding the crests as divine.
While Sothis is only shown to have that power, I believe Rhea and the church refer to the Goddess, Sothis, as the divine creator, as the one who made Fodlan itself. While perpetuating the name is a bit of a disservice, it seems Rhea tried to change history so that "The Creator" is a name associated with her mother rather than with the man who killed her
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I always felt that the Wandering Beast was the best Paralogue, and that whole thing with Maurice was under explored in both 3 Houses and 3 Hopes, especially in the latter. Like WTF, why wasn't her Paralogue in 3 Hopes an expanded version of that one? It really shows how Marianne in 3 Hopes was coasting off of her 3H popularity.
Also, I personally have come to believe that the reason the Relics take so much from their wielders is due to their undying hate for their murderer and the humans who desecrate their remains. That, and something about the overwhelming energy of the Crest Stone needing a more stable form to contain it.
Hello Ghast former Hero now Mortal Savant thanks to Three Hopes.
I was wondering if you can get both versions of Scarlet Blazes Showdown at Ailiel in new game + via auxiliary battle without starting a new playthrough.
@@MrGksarathy It probably something more akin to the blood passing down the personalities of the wielder and such. E.g., Ced and other things like the perceived curse of Gae Bolg. (And as Marice + Nemesis bring the 10 elites to 12, it wouldn't be a surprise if the 12 cursaders had a link to them in this alternate timeline.)
@@simplysolus8916 Their similarities to the Twelve Crusaders feel more aesthetic than anything else, and no, basically all the Relics are described as cursed or terrifying in some sense, and as Linhardt's supports demonstrate, all of them take a lot out of their wielders. That being said, I am coming around to the hc that relics and Crests can pass on trauma suffered by either the Nabatean or the Elite who first wielded them, or even physical traits as a sort of supernatural linked gene inheritance, especially with regards to House Blaiddyd. That super strength doesn't seem strictly Crest-related.
Also remember what happened in Hrym. After wiping out the noble house of Hrym the people suffered due to the taxes implemented by Ludwig von Aegir, Ferdinand's father only for their situation to get worse when Thales (posing as Volkhard) took Ludwig's place. He did all of these atrocities in the name of Ludwig so after he fleed to the Hrym territory he was executed for the crimes he didn't commit which is one of the few sympathetic moments for Ludwig. Additionaly it happens outside of Crimson Flower which means where Ferdinand had the hardest time out of any student (besides Dimitri and Dedue) so it must had hurt him even more. Additionaly we learn more about the tragedy of Lysithea's house Ordelia in this paralogue so sure why not
Something that I never thought of until someone brought it up was Jeralt getting killed by Kronya. If he survived in silver snow and he has rhea’s blood and crest. And she made everyone who had those go berserk… You can see where this is going..
He still wouldn't transform into a demonic Beast because he would have to hold a crestone... The Cardinals transformed because they had her blood but they also each had a piece of her crest Stone..
Jeralt would be safe because he does not have a piece of Rhea Crest Stone... it does not help that they were already fanatically loyal to her.. even when they were transformed the loyalty never wavered..
@@elpopman2055 wait is the lore actually that they have a piece of her crest stone?? I don’t understand how she’s alive if that’s the case lmao
@@rhettmitchell maybe nabetains evolve to the point of being able to drop crest pieces as to desive argathans just like geckos drop part of their tails to distract cats 🤷♀️
@@rhettmitchell they receive a “crest stone fragment and blood” according to Seteh. Jeralt received a decent amount of blood from Rhea so he definitely would’ve gone berserk, but as to if he would become a White Beast, i’m not so sure
And they receive a crest stone of similarity to the Crest of Seiros. Rhea doesn’t have a crest stone like Byleth does. Neither does anyone, Byleth is the exception. Those crest stones in the holy tomb could be crest stones of the saints, elites etc. but bottom line, Rhea doesn’t need a crest stone in her to survive
Isn't it implied that Catherine also has Rhea's blood? If that's the case, she would have turned berserk too. But as others mentioned, having a crest stone or a piece of it was necessary for them to transform
Cyril: "Your family enslaved me"
Hilda: "I'm like, SO sorry to hear that 🥺"
hilda girl.... i love her.... but then i am reminded of this fact 😩
NGL I like her more now.
@@mettatonneoex gross, the only hilda I like is a dead hilda
Thoughts and prayers
@@MrGksarathy exactly
I remember seeing the Jeritza/Mercedes support for the first time and just being, shocked. Finding out about Jeritza and Mercedes’ past was interesting, but then when Jeritza said why he killed the dad and left that made things so much worse/interesting. As soon as he said “Mother was past the age to bear children… he would marry…” my face just stopped. I worry to think what would’ve happened if Jeritza hadn’t done what he did. Jeritza never was one of my favorite characters, but that support made me appreciate him a lot more.
What the cinnamon toast fuc--
Sweet home Alabama 💀
@@Lauzuna I just want to talk to Jeritza's dad. *Pulls out loaded Glock*
@@justagiantnerd8001 I mean back before people really knew about incest and the effects of it royalty would marry into their own blood line to keep it "pure." All that to say it's historically accurate
@@noonespecial7730also it wasn't really incest.
Emile and Mercedes were born before their mother was found by the lord. He was only a step/adoptive father to Mercedes.
Which like. She's still a child so it's still messed up, but it wasn't his own child
My darkest moment would be knowing that the heroes relics are basically the body of the original warriors they belong to. And the closer you look at them the more you realize it. Even Aymr which I don’t know who’s body they used but it’s the only one that still moves😕
Aymr wasn't made out of Nabatean bones but rather out of Agarthan tech (that's why you use Agarthium instead of Umbral Steel to repair it), but there are still "true" Relics which visibly move, such as the Lance of Ruin
It’s this lore that makes me appreciate the heroes relics much more. Before I really hated most of their designs and thought they looked dumb. But knowing the truth, I understand why they look like that and it feels so tragic and I start caring for these weapons more
Actually, Hilda acknowledges at the end of her paralogue that Freikugel twitches when she asks Byleth to hold onto it for her.
@@tomaszkuplowski9258 I actually have a theory about Aymr, which admittedly doesn't have that much evidence but here I go: Aymr might actually be from Nabatean bones, specifically from a transformed Nabatean. If you look at the design, it really looks like part of a dragon wing and/or dragon claw. And consider it can only be used by Edelgard, who has a crest of Seiros, and usually hero's relics can only be wielded by people who's blood/crest matches with the person who's bones were used to make it (In my observations that's how it seems to be anyway, most obvious exemple is Sword of the Creator). Also, notice how the transformed Nabateans are always reptilian but not necessarily dragons, while Rhea is clearly a dragon. I think Aymr might be a piece of a wing of Seiros, acquired either during the war of Heroes or at the battle before the time skip. It's not really a Hero's relic, as Seiros wasn't one of the elites, and also because that name seems to specifically be about weapons used in the war of heroes. But I think it would make a lot of sense if it was actually a piece of transformed Rhea, matches perfectly with it's exclusivity to Edelgard and unexplained origin. The repair material is a factor that contradicts this theory though.
Tbh it looks like a jaw
I’m surprised you haven’t talked about Constance’s past and how her trauma is essentially the same as Dimitri’s, yet they have completely different ways of coping. Her whole family and territory was wiped out right in front of her in broad daylight, and that’s why she can’t be in the sunshine without her personality shifting. The Tragedy of Nuvelle
@Henrique Velloso Dimitri is also schizophrenic and is constantly hounded by visions of his dead loved ones, compelling him to seek vengeance.
Maybe they should have had a support instead of with Hapi
@Henrique Velloso dimitri's way of coping is also much more practical since related to the faerghus legend brought up in one of the Annette/Claude supports, saying that souls can't find peace and rest and suffer for eternity in some kind of hell if they've any regrets left
Ok dimitri is schizophrenic and Constance developed some sort of bipolar disorder. Both of their minds broke.
Once again Ghast coming in clutch with reminding us that Hanneman is an underrated 3H character.
Also to make it worst, Mercedes was probably in her early teens when House Bartels wanted her to have his crest babies.
I think she was more like 10 or 11. I think he was 8 or 9 when they left, I don’t remember what he said, but they’re a year-year 1/2 ish apart
@@rhettmitchell Now it’s WAY worse
I just want to talk with him. Pulls out sword of the creator
I mean in the Middle Ages women above 20 were considered as too old to marry and women around 14 (such as Juliette in Romeo and Juliette) were considered in perfect ages to marry so honestly it's not as messed up as it sounds.
@@moraghraikenori1139Fire Emblem has also been in the "middle" ages for over 2000 years now
I remember when Jeritza was probably my least favorite character in the game. The patch adding him to CF wasn’t out yet and he just seemed to exist for seemingly no reason. Nowadays he’s one of my favorite characters in the game and I can’t really imagine the game without him. He may have not gotten many event cutscenes focused on him but his supports, especially with Mercedes, are all fantastic imo.
His three hopes support with Mercedes is one of the best in that game
Yesssss he really became a favorite of mine. His dynamic with Mercedes and Constance is so cute
ngl i really liked him from the start and was so disappointed when i didnt see him in crimson flower, so that one update was probably one of the happiest days of my life. i genuinely cannot take him seriously after that a support with byleth though lmao
I love Three Houses’ brand of disturbing because a majority of the time it’s caused by people reaching their emotional breaking point because of the power structures they’re stuck in. Malice is rarely the only reason characters commit atrocities in the game
It really goes to show the desperate measures people are willing to take just to survive in a society that seems hellbent on making everyone suffer for the benefit of a few.
Only the Agarthans are the ones operating out of pure malice. Which really bums me out since they are the true villain of Fodlan. Really hope they do a Revelations route where the entire Foldab unites against the Agarthans and wipe them all out. Just like what Nohr and Hoshido did to Anankos in Fates.
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I wouldn’t say it was just out of malice. They also were motivated by a sense of entitlement and arrogance.
@@stevenchoza6391 that too. Also that malice may have extended towards the humanity because they werent able to make Nemesis their puppet. But just imagine if they remained grateful to the Nabateans, Fodlan may have been more prosperous that it was.
@@kuyagab4444 Even the Agarthans outside the leadership could be seen as being trapped in a system that disregards their lives and brainwashes them to act on old grievances and entitlement.
Another dark thing to point out; If you do not recruit Marianne during part 1, she never appears in post time-skip which could imply she turned into a beast or even commited suicide.
How was that not in the video?! It's even worse she has a chair in the middle of her room.
@@DarkLore1992 wdym my the chair… unless you’re potentially talking about a noose being above it
@@rhettmitchell Well I don't recall a noose, but a chair was in the middle of the room. So yeah, suicide.
@@rhettmitchell probably metaphorical scenes.
I see this theory everywhere and it never made any sense, i get that shes depressed and all that but just because she doesn't make an appearance doesn't mean she died or turned into a beast, there's no proof if it. Besides if u choose silver snow route and don't recruit anyone from blue lions you never see them again, does that mean they all committed suicide too?
The most disturbing moment in Three houses for me will always be the mission where Kronya turns multiple students into demonic beasts. The way Alois describes the situation before the mission begins and the fact that we never find out if the students actually survived this encounter really gets under my skin, especially since we know how horrifying the transformation is as we've seen with Miklan
Pretty sure we are told that the transformed students were already dead.
Considering how Miklan and Dedue die when they transform in to beasts I'm assuming they don't make it either.
I always thought Monica’s fate in Three houses is that she’s most likely dead was sad but its even worse where in hapi and balthus’ paralogue where her dad dies just trying to find a way to get her back
That’s something I’ve never seen anyone talk about. The real Monica must have been brutally murdered and replaced by her imposter who was working with Solon and TWSITD. It’s like no one in the game realized this or cared. What makes it worse is I don’t know if Edelgaurd knew that either. Maybe she did but she seemed to hate that they killed Byleth’s dad. Also another thing they all ignored was the part when Ashe was trying to find out what happened to Lonato and that no one cared that he was caught up in a much larger issue all involving TWSTD. And in most of the routes, people especially Rhea, lied for their own selfish reasons which caused more people to die and go down with a bad wrap
@@yoshentertainment Rhea lied a lot, but it was almost never "for selfish reasons." Rhea lost literally everyone dear to her in the most brutal, atrocious way possible and still devoted her extremely long life to serving humanity. I don't think there's a character in the game more selfless than Rhea.
@@brandonjuno that’s true but at the same time she used people in experiments to try and bring her mother back. I think her lying was still also to save her and her people. She couldn’t tell the truth or everyone would know about their bones, blood, and crest stones
@@yoshentertainment She created people, with the intention of only creating one; there's a distinction there. The motivation to do that was partly selfish of course -- she desperately missed her mother -- but it was also explicitly for humanity's sake as well.
@@brandonjuno this is an important distinction as it appears that even her failures despite being artificial beings were left until they died before Rhea would take the crest stone back to start again.
Okay one more. Not quite as dark as the others but still interesting. Within the Abyss Library there are banned books not intended for public consumption. Within one of the books titled the truth of the hero's relics a priest began researching the Hero's Relics and how they worked. He discovered just from his research alone that the heroes relics were similar in composition to wyvern bones and yet far more durable and powerful. What's more there were Heroes Relics that were not linked to the 10 Elites, creating the theory that these weapons were not gifts of the goddess. As fervently as he was researching though suddenly he stopped seemingly for no reason at all declaring that the goddess would not want him to learn anymore. Which gives the impression that something happened to him after his research was found out.
Epimenides have the ability to use all of those weapons with no crest is truly terrifying. Only imposing the crests to slowly kill those "beasts" after they have finished with them.
Even Sothis not having a single care that her old Spine is that which your Judgement is passed
He was probably Tomas before he got Got'h
@@ChaolaoFueChi Nah, the book is too old.
I wonder if he actually found out the truth, or was told it in order to dissuade him from going further?
@@MrGksarathyFound out probably, like a real whistle-blower.
And just like any whistle-blower... the whistle gets silenced.
11:45 man you can really hear the pain and anger in Seteth’s voice here telling that lie knowing what the true history is and what really happened to him and Rhea’s kind. Honestly Rhea, Seteth and Flayn are really mentally strong having to lie about their own innocent clan, and sort of act like the Nabateans were evil gods, and praise Nemesis as a hero simply for the sake of keeping peace. If Rhea and Seteth wanted, they could’ve easily destroyed humanity long ago. Seteth seems to be one of the strongest in Fodlan and could’ve used his dragon form back then, and Rhea really could’ve created an army of dragons and golems and just destroyed humanity if they really wanted to.
Lol no
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@Dastardly1 Shamir and Cyril are literally openly atheistic and Rhea is perfectly happy to have them around the monastery. There's a pagan altar to a Dagdan god *right below* the monastery, which doesn't really strike me as 'killing everyone who doesn't worship her'. Rhea's attitude is more like 'do whatever you want as long as you don't rock the boat'. Hell, the only reason the Crest System still exists is because Rhea didn't want to topple the existing power structures put in place by the Elites. To address your other point, the Agarthans went underground long before the Adrestian Empire was founded, because they-- y'know-- basically nuked the planet so badly that Sothis had to go comatose just to fix it.
@@mackerelmafia2898yo sé que no entiendes el español, pero cuando estás basado, estás basado
For me, the most disturbing thing in 3 Houses is that it's heavily implied that both Dorothea and Yuri were forced into sex work due to poverty, *when they were children*.
I don't think Dorothea was forced to sex work, she was hired by the Mittlefrank opera when she was really young
@@micheledelloglio5820 I think she maybe implied it at some point, but she did pretty explicitly say was sexually assaulted by nobles while she was in the opera
Yeah and Yuri fully confirms it in 3 Hopes *SPOILER*
I don’t remember which route, but it’s in the Count Rowe chapter and he mentions the count doing quite unsavory things with him after he adopted him
@@micheledelloglio5820 In the middle ages, being an actor was synonymous with being a sex worker. And we know Dorothea had to flirt back with the nobles who saw her show.
@@rhettmitchell oh dang. I did assume that Count Rowe adopted Yuri to tie him to him, not as a son, but as a "lover" and operative (since Yuri's time at house Varley was after the adoption). Which is so fucked up because he was *14* at the time.
For better or worse, the world of Foldan can be shockingly depressing at times, and sometimes it gets to the point it feels like it's running on dramatic irony. In particular, the Death Knight's backstory was so sad to me that it killed what little joy I had when fighting the guy in 3Hs (though the fact he's reused as a bonus boss a ton also played a part in it).
That's Saying something.
Dimitri going insane is this for me. Props to Chris Hackney.
Dimitri's Japanese VA does a great job as well, his dialogue with Edelgard on Azure Moon Chapter 17 is amazing in Japanese. That said, I'd say Chris Hackney is the definitive Dimitri voice, he's perfect for the character
@@BardockSkywalker agreed. I'm usually a sucker for JP voice but the EN VAs for 3H are so good especially Dimitri and some others (imo) like ignatz, lorenz, ferdie, ashe, petra, and a bunch of others
Edit : i was gonna add Claude but his both EN and JP voice are equally good so i can't really pick. I mean have you heard Claude snapped at rhea in JP voice? Holy shit dude
@@raviolibirb8009
I've heard many say English Claude is far removed from the Japanese version of the character. Tbh, I was never a huge fan of Joe Zieja version of Claude, so I wouldn't be surprised.
@@l.n.3372 to each their own ig. I don't really find his EN voice to be far removed from JP voice. if anything, Dimitri's vocal gap between EN and JP is more far removed than Claude's. Man got deeper voice in EN
Yes, playing blue lions my first playthrough made him going crazy hit so hard for me
6:13 "You face a knight of Seiros!"
>Proceeds to miss four times with her relic weapon.
when i first realized jeritza and mercie were siblings i immediately began to enjoy their characters, especially after learning why they were separated. after this video i just love them even more and i’m reminded on how depressing the world of fodlan is… i haven’t played three hopes yet but i was hoping to know what crest dorothea is carrying in her blood or about her parents just for closure, but you can do only so much lore building.
I agree,Mercedes is my number 1 favourite character because of the trauma that she,her brother and their mother endured just because they have a crest. It also breaks my heart that Mercedes felt guilty about leaving her brother in House Bartels and she blames herself that she’s the reason that Jeritza became the death knight but she know realised why he became that way and she decides to stick by him even at the cost of her life. This is definitely one the best sibling bond in the series.
I didn’t really get what you meant at first but I guess you mean maybe Dorothea’s father thought that her mom had a crest in her bloodline?? That’d be interesting but oh well we can’t have too much interesting writing
Let's not forget Count Varley and his treatment towards Bernie and Yuri.
If you know, it's pretty bad.
Kinda late to this but really, everything that happened to Yuri as a whole is extremely fucked up
@shinyblue4774 Him and Bernie is my favorite Bernie pairing. Childhood friends from different social classes. Plus, giving Count Varley the middle finger by Bernie marrying a man who's basically broke AF.
@@DarkLore1992 Count Rowe also deserves to be put down
With all that was implied he did to Yuri (besides putting him up to the job of hurting Bernie) is terrible
I love both of these characters sm, Bernie and Yuri deserve the world
@@shinyblue4774 It's a good thing that you can either let him die or kill him (depending on the route) in Three Hopes
@@soul_raider7624count Varley, with pleasure, Count Rowe, you need him alive but, don't care
Oh this is a big one and it has to do with Hubert. So those within House Vestra are taught from birth to serve their emperor in all things. Hubert's emperor is Edelgard. Now when Edelgard was taken to the kingdom, Hubert lost his mind and went running after her for 3 days. He says he doesn't know whether it comes from love or not. And when it comes time for Edelgard's coup he says he hated his father and had no problem with killing him because his father took part in the Insurrection of the Seven. His father defended his family over his emperor and that's unforgivable to Hubert.
Which raises the question: is Hubert's devotion to Edelgard the result of love or because of his programming? Was he brainwashed from birth to follow Edelgard in everything and is he able to question it?
Hubert makes it clear they follow the same goals/path. That's where his current devotion is from. He says, I believe in their C or B support, that it stopped being about duty once she was kidnapped. At that moment, when he nearly lost her forever, he realized that she meant more to him than just a princess to protect from duty. So whether it's romantic love or platonic love, it's not duty from his family business - it's real.
that thumbnail with Edelgard covering Demitri eyes is just adorable
eye
@@yowieyahoo ouch I just realized that was post time skip Demitri
@@Doralga lmaooooo
Best part is the irony that one of his eyes is already covered with an eyepatch.
Videos like these is why I appreciate Ghast so much. I'm not sure which moment was the darkest for me but the Umbral Beast is one that always comes to mind.
Put yourself into Byleth's shoes and imagine seeing your dead but beautiful mother for the first time only for her to be turned into a hideous monster and being forced to kill her again.
If I was in Byleth's position after witnessing the whole scene, I would have tears falling down my face while I was about to do the unthinkable, saying "I love you, mom." as I plunge my sword into the Umbral Beast.
@@SierraGustafson lol
@@SierraGustafson damn
Say what you will about three houses gameplay but you can’t deny the lore in this game is very deep and also very dark.
The lore, worldbuilding and characters is why I love this game so much. Even after Three Hopes, I still want more Fodlan!
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon the story was mediocre tbh, and foldan is overrated, it's not even that good. Enough foldan already
@@mihaimercenarul7467 ok
I feel like Byleth even if you argue his special condition makes them emotionless 90% of the time would need therapy after seeing someone mesh with the their dead parents needs therapy or a special cooking session with Ashe
I think what’s disturbing is that the Creast system and Hero’s Relics feel so ingrained in the world of Fódland that trying to get rid of it or weaken the need to rely on their systems won’t happen until many years later. On top of that, Edlegard’s war declaration further depended on the need to use the Hero’s relics and send out soldiers with crests.
Well thanks to hanneman and the dwindling bloodline of Crests, it is going to eventually be better.
If it'll take a while to make things better, fuck it, just leave it at awful forever
That's what makes three hopes that much more depressing to me because the blue lions house (my absolute favorite house in 3 houses) just resigns itself to accepting that crests are needed and must be kept around. Granted dimitri was never as vocal about opposing crests as edelgard or claude, you still see that he understands the harm crests have done to those around him and those he loves. In three Hopes everyone of the blue lions just resigns to accepting crests and their fate and I absolutely hate it. There's no hope of change, it's just maintaining the status quo.
@@TFStudios As usual my meme is still applicable. One day it wont be necessary. Until then, here you go.
Manray: Azure Moon and Azure Gleam both have Dimitri make reformations, yes?
Patrick: Yup
Manray: Faerghus never had a constitutional monarchy or rejected Crests
Patrick: Yup
Manray: Dimitri made those and other changes happen and has supports discussing change in AG
Patrick: Makes sense to me
Manray: Then Dimitri wants and *did* change the status quo
Patrick: Nah Dimitri doesnt and didnt change the status quo
3 years and this is STILL happening.
Edlegard works with the shadowy cabal she hates, and that choice ultimately prolongs war on the continent until well past her expiration date since she remembers she hates them and declares war on them... WHILE THEY'RE WITHOUT THEIR CRESTS... but hey, the game doesn't seem to call out that stupidity because she's the player's partner in that route.
The edited B support with Bernadetta was one of those dark moments that made me go “oh shit”, and I’m still upset they had to change it :/
I need context on this. I got the game this year and never heard about any edit.
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They changed Bernadetta's support to make it closer to the Japanese version and to remove implications that the Japanese version had never implied. That's really all it is to it.
@@l.n.3372 Really wish they could have done this for some english Edelgard lines that have unintended implications varying from the Japanese version
@@Mr.Sniffles
Which lines are you talking about?
I know many complain that Edelgard was poorly localized/translated. But much of her Japanese dialogue is just as bad if not worse. There's stuff in the Japanese dialogue that is arguably even more sus at times.
@@l.n.3372 I know Edelgard had a few of them. I don’t remember all of them, but I remember in the Azure Moon final conversation she and Dimitri have, she says something like “a high born noble like yourself doesn’t understand how the poor feel or what motivates them” but she was really supposed to say something along the likes of “someone fortunate like you doesn’t understand those of us who don’t have those things”. Basically, Dimitri was talking about how Byleth supported him, but Edelgard was basically saying she had no one and was basically alone her life (since Dimitri basically always had his friends, Gilbert, Lambert and Byleth while Edelgard was experimented on and alone for the longest, and is basically trying to make a change for the world with no one at her side to really support her like Dimitri does). I think that was basically supposed to be her recalling her bad times of her being alone.
Probably the darkest thing for me is the whole body snatching thing those who slider in the dark, it's just super creepy to take the image of others like that, and then the way they use it to mess with the politics or stability of the lives of who knows how many people... Creepy
The whole cover up by Rhea, the origins of Relics and Crests is so messed up, I agree. It's also an example that telling the truth would be awful in the short term, but better in the long term.
Fodland is by far the most fleshed out Fire Emblem world. I hope we get more games in this universe, whether it’s a prequel or sequel to the 3 houses games. It feel like a waste to not have more stories here.
Fire Emblem Three Hopes with Shez's and Hubert's support about something that we've never thought nor did he shared in Three Houses.
A sequel would be difficult, even if they chose a route (Most likely Silver Snow?) for one, that'd piss a lot of people off, but for two, now you've got to figure out how to kill a potentially immortal former protagonist who has the powers of a God and complete control over time to boot
Would definitely take a prequel though maybe covering the war of heroes?
Actual.
Surnames.
Need I say more?
I'm fairly certain I remember correctly
For me, it's in three hopes when yuri implies that he was... "sold out" by count rowe.
Not even that (*spoilers if you haven’t seen it yet*) but I think he says that the count himself did some stuff to him as well, even while literally being the one who adopted him
I've always compared the Tragedy of Duscur to the real life Rosewood Massacre of 1923 and it's about to hit its anniversary really soon. There's also a movie on it.
These are all so awful, it sometimes makes me forget Fire Emblem is a Nintendo franchise.
Bernadetta’s backstory is so messed up too, they even had to change the dialogue, i think her situation is also a consequence of the nobility and crest system, she was the only child of house Varley and she had a crest, making her really “valuable” for her father, so he tried to set her up with a powerful noble to gain power and money, like the prime minister son for example, Ferdinand (revealed by Ferdie and Bernie A support).
So Count Varley trained Bernadetta to be a “good submissive wife”. which traumatized her, suffering from PTSD and making her struggle with extreme anxiety….
Its so sad and messed up.. :(
Not as messed up as FE4. That is actual war with the most fucked up things
Its always funny to see edelgards little face peaking out of the giant flame emperor armor.
Just wanted to say the thumbnail might be the cutest thumbnail on a UA-cam video I've ever seen
Jeritza had me sitting there just staring in the void for like 10 mins. And while it got covered in other videos, the reason why Edelgard and Lysithia have white hair is easily up there.
I do appreciate how Three Hopes expanded on some things, as FE3H definitely needed it in places.
This is one of many reasons why I love this game so much. The Worldbuilding and hidden lore is absolutely incredible, this game puts so much effort into its World that I grew to love every aspect of it
I’m just annoyed Sylvain’s support with Mercedes was changed for players in the United States since it was apparently too dark, but like look at all this other stuff they still kept in. Great video btw.
What was the original support?
Please elaborate
Wait what I’ve not heard about this one?? The English one is already dark enough as is
@@FriendlyNeighborhoodLurker To sum it up, Mercedes doesn't appear as dismissive of Sylvain and is actually very understanding. She correctly deduces that, thanks to his upbringing and experiences, he's developed a severe hatred and *fear* of women. He asks her not to tell his friends or other women, and says that they both have had their fair share of pain in their lives. He starts crying while Mercedes comforts him, and he essentially confesses that he loves her.
@@IchHassePasswoerteroh man :(
I'm surprised this video doesn't go over Bernadetta's backstory that got redacted.
Another dark part of the story is Rhea's golems. Some of these were kings of the Adestriane(spelling) empire that Rhea used for the rituals you mentioned.
The depth of Fódlan’s events are the very reasons why I love Three Houses & Hopes the most.
First off, welcome back and good video as usual. You all do great work.
Ill be honest, I really dont hold anything against Rhea for her lies. She didnt have a choice. What is a lie versus innocent lives?
Hell this isn't even getting into the horrific truth of the relics. I cant imagine giving up my literal family and friends bones and hearts just to make peace stable. Gloryfing Nemesis after all the vile things he did.
Her lies did contribute to misery, but that was never the intent. She only tried her best. How could I hate her for that?
Rhea isnt a bad person. She did make some bad choices, like what she tried to do with Byleth. But beyond that, I forgive her. She deserves a break and to finally move on with her life.
Man Fodlan truly was a fascinating world with all the dark and brooding story telling. To think the first half is kosher for the most part only for...everything to happen.
100% Rhea was between a rock and a hard place. And Marianne shows the consequences of revealing the truth vs lying to protect innocent people. If Rhea hadn't lied back then, everybody would be like Marianne: hated and persecuted because of fear of their bloodline corrupting them into demonic beasts.
yeah same here. There's a similar situation in Attack on Titan, letting everyone know the truth of the actual past, I think it was not needed honestly because their ignorance kept the peace
I'm not sure if there are any other games in the franchise besides this one and Sacred Stones with severe WTF moments that either explore part of the main story, look back in the childhoods of many characters, or describe undertones in regards to the weight of the current battle that could have major implications regardless of which side wins. And if there are, you may have covered them already.
Genealogy/thracia are both very fucked up lol
@@Faerghast Release the Thracia cut
@@Faerghast i can't wait to see the remakes of these one day. Maybe in 8 years in a two packed games, or just two games in one.
The saddest thing about Godfrey’s death to me is that his father (Claude’s grandfather) died before knowing what really happened to his son. I don’t think you find out the full truth behind his death in Three Houses, and in Three Hopes Claude is Duke Riegan by the time you unlock Lorenz, Ignatz, and Raphael’s paralogue. And even if he were still alive when the paralogue takes place, he would likely pass away before they found out who Count Gloucester’s impostor was due to his old age and poor health. So he lost his son and heir to monsters without knowing the true events, and his daughter left Fódlan to marry the Almyran king.
And while I’m thinking of Tiana, I wonder if she ever found out what happened to her brother too… at least Claude might’ve been able to write her a letter or something.
Edelgard knows the eye patch is a lie.
@@SuperMokkula
The thumbnail.
WTF? It's not a lie. Dimitri even says in the tea party that his eye is scarred but doesn't impair fighting ability.
@@l.n.3372
I am joking. Look at the thumbnail.
Edelgard covering Dimitri's patched eye...
"Are you kidding me? I'm blind!"
I'd assume that both Dimitri and Edelgard duked it out in combat and shit went down which lead to the eyepatch. My imagination
Man watching this really shows a lot of the lore can be lost in the little text or just by forgetting it because the game is just so long.
Also, you might have missed this part, but it was revealed in Fallen Rhea's Forging Bonds support in FEH that the reason why it was forbidden to bring back Sothis to life was because Sothis herself said she didnt want to be brought back to life.
Thank you for the Jeritza content, much appreciated
I always liked the design for the Heroes relic, it's a great example of foreshadowing through design
I going to be honest my thought prior to finding out the truth was that they were made from the remains of the evil gods
@@TrueBladeSoul You know, that makes sense from what we're given in the story Nemesis and the elites being heroes then becoming corrupted. If they were the bones of evil gods then it could make sense that they were corrupting them.
Let's make one thing very clear, Cyril wasn't a servant. He was a slave, one of many, and House Goneril basically was a slave mill and participated in human trafficking, or at least were involved in a system of human bondage. This is why I cannot truly like Holst, because not once does he acknowledge his role in all this, and he's treated as a good guy despite this.
The devs don't really care about Almyra or anything to do with them sadly. So we'll never get a true analysis about the tragedy of Almyran child soldiers being kidnapped by house Goneril as child slaves.
@@l.n.3372 Not so much kidnapped as much as taken as war slaves, but you're correct about everything else.
I don’t see how he could’ve been friends with Nader considering they’re always fighting to defend the border from the attacks!!
We are humans, humans make mistakes, what a mistake is depends on culture And education, on Holst perspective he wasnt commiting mistakes, that's what I love of TH
@@leoistari This isn't a matter of Holst making a mistake, but rather the game not adequately acknowledging his complicity in a great evil. Hilda is at least confronted with some of that reality in her Cyril supports.
Something thats kind of glossed over in the game is the moment in the Holy Tomb chapter when Rhea is making Byleth sit on Sothis's throne, what she's actually trying to do is make Sothis overtake Byleth's soul entirely to try and bring her back completely. This would in effect be the death of Byleth and the only reason it doesn't work is because Sothis already willingly merged with Byleth's soul in the chapted prior. This is why Rhea is visibly disappointed when nothing happens and doesn't understand what else was missing.
The worst part of this is we see the flipside to this in Three Hopes where Sothis is incredibly cold and selfish because she hasn't been helping Byleth teach the students and actually forces her own power onto Byleth out of pure self-preservation. That moment made me realize why the Ancient Agarthans viewed Sothis as the Fell Star who invaded their home and drove their people to extinction.
Sothis being very antagonistic to her own vessel in Three Hopes was very surprising for me, I can't blame the Agarthans for seeing her that way at all. I really would have liked more lore on the Agarthan's history with Sothis because we lack so much context despite TWSITD being pretty much the driving force behind most of the events in the games.
True, but interestingly enough, Sothis warns against them sitting on the throne because then she would completely take over her body and she would rather not erase Byleth. She could have tricked or forced Byleth into sitting on the throne and destroying any possible resistance, but she chooses not to. So even Three Hopes Sothis has some morals on the whole situation.
An idea, sad if true, i had was this: at the end of Crimson Flower in 3 houses Sothis's crest fades away after u kill Rhea but no reason was ever given. Byleth's crest heart is not powered or connected to Rhea in any way, she simply gave it to him, besides that she dies in silver snow and verdant wind if you don't marry her but Byleth still has his crest heart and green hair.
This could mean one of 2 things, either Sothis willingly chose to abandon Byleth, whether he died from their separation or not, because he killed her daughter Rhea, or she died of a broken heart and the fading crest is a symbol of it. We know this is possible since if u marry Sothis she says she is always watching.
@@abraxas1262 wow I actually didn't know u could marry sothis in CF i never scrolled all the way down cuz I married her in a different playthrough. Interesting stuff that the lines change tho
I never got the impression that Byleth lost their Crest, just their Crest Stone. I think that Byleth inherited the Crest from Sitri, not that it was necessarily caused by the presence of a Crest Stone. So after the Crest Stone disappears, the Crest's power doesn't go away but the ability to wield the Sword of the Creator does.
To add to the dark/weirdness of the Hero Relics: How did they figure out how to make them/ make them work? That ain't something you just figure out from trial and error. I have a personal head cannon that one of Sothis's kids betrayed them and taught the humans how to make the Hero relics by kill his/her kin. A Seath the Scaleless situation if you will.
Mmmm that’d be freaky
That's an interesting theory.
Like how human ancestor use bones as weapon. I think a bunch of people just wield the dragon bone around. Some bone lit up, some don't. THen they forge it into weapon relic
Happy to see videos from you again and this was a fun watch. I was also happy to see my boy Cyril get a mention because he gets a lot of hate, at least from my friends, but it feel so unfair given his backstory and Rhea did more than save his life, she gave him a life worth living. On a side note to that though, she is super shady when she does it because she really only keeps him for manual labor and seems to mostly be exploiting him and using a child's need for validation to control him. He isn't taught to read, and according to his and Seteth's supports, he doesn't have much future outside being a servant.
Mario Fans: "Oh, I'd love to visit the Mushroom Kingdom. The Toads are so cute!:
Zelda: Fans: "I'd love to visit Hyrule and see all the different races and landmarks!"
Fire Emblem: Three Houses/Hopes Fans: "No, thanks. I'm good."
Forget that. Be gay, commit warcrimes
Whenever I think about dark moments in FE3H, I can't help but think about Yuri's backstory. If you know, you know... and I always suspected it was the case based on his supports with Dorothea, but it was basically confirmed with NPC dialogue in Hopes talking about 'rumors' around Count Rowe...
MY WORD! Three Houses is even more awesome than I realised and I’ve completed all three houses. Awesome content! Well done
Great video as always, Ghast. I think this style of video is really cool coming from you. Love to see it!
Also, the Mercedes/Jeritza support conversation is my favorite platonic support in the game but I never see other people talk about how utterly dark it is. I got chills the first time I heard Jeritza talk about what his father did.
Based on quotes regarding Edelgard Mom, it is Implied That Argathneans Kept Their Word To Her in the worst possible way... It Implied That They used Her a as a sacrifice To successfully operate On Edelgard... it's quite possible that edelguard not only lost her memories because She saw Her siblings being butchered.. Buy Because She Witness The Argathneans Kill Her Mother. In my opinion it's quite possible that they tampered with her memories to an Extent
That's just my head Canon.
It's even worse in three hopes cuz it is implied that Edelgard herself might have had an unwilling hand in Lady Patritia's/Anselma's demise, and that her memory loss is a result of both the Agarthan's tampering and her repressing the memories of that traumatic event.
Oh that totally makes sense
The warping of the Crest system by human greed is probably the most relatable part of Fodlan's general structure, and I have to wonder if humans and dragons really aren't so different - for the one, corruption manifests itself with the degrading of one's mind, but only results in death; for the other, however, not only is the mind already degraded (albeit in a different way) but it spreads its degradation to others who are otherwise just trying to lead a normal life.
Ironically, I feel that this is why Edelgard is the worst fit of the three to lead, because she doesn't recognize her own corruption and how her efforts to break the Crest system will not bring the relief she thinks it will, but only continued suffering for all. It certainly won't heal her, that I guarantee.
Considering how laws are warped and abused in our history even without powers being added it’s not like much really changed. The only thing different is who the finger is being pointed at.
@@megashyguy123 Basically.
@@megashyguy123 Meritocracy historically only begets misery and abuse of others. There is a reason its mocked to this day and why looking it up has empirical evidence to support why it's bad.
All of these political structures of Fodlan are bad in their own way. But the Crest system beget abuse in pursuit of power. All meritocracy will do is make it more easy to do. Especially when the the ruler is supreme and can do what they want.
It's why I perfer Dimitri. Constitutional Monarchy is still flawed, very much so, but it historically paves the way for democratic-esque systems.
That and I like to think Byleth being the archbishop, and the people who are in support of their king, and future generations wouldnt take to kindly to a ruler not listening to the people.
Byleth being immortal is easily the best chance Fodlan has at having not just peace but one with as little misery as possible. That's big pro too.
There are no such thing as perfect leaders. Dimitri, Edelgard, Claude, and Rhea do the best they believe is right, but they are not infallible and are going to make mistakes along the way. However, I think Edelgard has the right to it. Even if the system she places isn't ideal, the fact that she brings about an innovation where people are not judged by their bloodlines, but rather by their accomplishments, is one that will promote the growth of people and inspire them to no longer be bound by the station of their birth. For this reason, I believe Edelgard is the best leader of the lords.
@@0axis771 That is understandable, but the above replier, Justinian, has the best understanding of the situation as well as their particular styles of rule.
Can't wait for the genealogy/thracia dark moments. Probably gonna be a handful
So what I’m hearing is, “living in the empire sucks”
Dude my WTF moment was seeing hegemon edelgard for the first time, like holy sht that sht scared the bageebas put of me.
You accidentally wrote Azure Gleam instead of Azure Moon in the description.
oopsie
This is a certified murder all of house Bartels moment
Cruelty and corruption not lurking just beneath Fodlands relative harmony, but beneath the heart of human species, as you say, the crest system, just like any other, can be gamed by those smart and cruel enough to their advantage, to horrid and disgusting effects more often than not, its simply all about the people at the top and the human condition that binds us all.
This is one of the reasons why the entirety of Three Houses storyline and where it leads is so horrifying, the price paid for simply conflict of ideals between people who all in the end wished the best for their world and people, it all comes crushing down to torrents of blood and suffering because of their inability to cooperate.
What an amazing video ! Nice edit by the way (epic ending !). This reminds me why I love 3H so much, the world feels so real and complex.
You know, a video doing a character study of Rhea, support or not, might be interesting.
Just a suggestion.
I like how the two games in this series are on the same multiplication table: 8 and 16.
This game made me realize how lore and story are essentials to make a good FE game. I feel that this made 3 Houses way better than Engage, as it focused on giving depth to every single character and how they relate to their world’s events. It feels that every event in Fódlan’s history is connected to a playable character in some way. It’s not like engage where they just put together a boring story and just threw characters in with bland personalities that revolve around the main character (most of the time, some characters don’t apply, but they feel boring to listen to and they offer little personality or depth or growth). Fódlan feels real, unlike Elyos, which feels very fake not only in events but in continent structure as well. Like you go in a freaking square for crying out loud.
It’s crazy how much Three Houses brought to the table with the story and lore… and now I’m wondering how Engage is gonna even hold up with the story, or if it falls off.
I'm already worried Engage isn't even going to come close with it's story and worldbuilding with them relying on fanservice to older games and the style looking similar to Awakening's simplistic story.
Hopefully they prove me wrong.
I legit suspect Engage's gonna play safe with its lore, though I would be pleased if I'm proven wrong.
Who knows. Maybe behind that vibrant and colorful world of Elyos lies a secret that's darker than the one being told in Fodlan.
im expecting a war between a dental corporation and the protagonist… so i don’t have high expectations for it in other words😭😭
I really feel it’s not going to be as deep as it was probably just a fan service game for the 30th anniversary but delay from Covid. It really seems to be simple and focusing more on fan service
You know, Rhea being a wanderer of Fodland putting together allies to take down Nemesis would be such a good premise for a prequel.......
Wow I didn’t expect to see a vid that came out 8 minutes ago
I always knew that Three Houses is probably one of the darkest entries in the franchise. Thinking about the way the Heroes' Relics were made just make me want to throw up and the story of Mercedes and Jeritza/Emile makes me want to hug them both and say that everything will be alright while trying my best to hide my own tears.
This was a great video, does an amazing job highlighting that there’s no right path, even if you felt Edelgard was or wasn’t justified in starting the War
Holy crap...this is so much scarier than I ever imagined. I’m not sure I can ever look at Rhea the same way again
what is sad about this is that things like this happened and still happening until this day, in different ways but still terrible, for example, the arrangement marriage, still happening these days and force some people to marry, it could happen in many ways, even in rich places like Japan, in order to preserve the "noble blood" they still force young ones to marry, and of couse they don't have election, even if they already have a couple they are forced to leave it, they can decor it with everything they want but that still horrible, sadly, there is people who defend all this because "it is cultural" and boy, there are really many sad stories around all this, i know someone who went all this, and just like all these marriages that comes from this "culture" it ends terrible, there are many possible variations but all end the same
I think that's one of my gripes about Three Houses/Hopes, in the grand scheme nothing gets finished everything gets left on cliffhangers so there's no real satisfaction, its unfortunate that we're not getting DLC for 3 hopes because I would of loved some closure regarding Shez's background and their mother. But a few fire emblem game are guilty of having plot point not get resolved as well an extreme amount of misunderstandings, prime example is fates when you fight Camilla when she thinks you kidnapped Elise, Elise herself even says "Camilla they didn't kidnap me I joined them on my own" and "genius" Camilla is like "I'll kill you all for kidnapping Elise" and I'm like "you stupid crazy b$%&$"
To be fair to Camilla, Corrin says he joined Hoshido for peace and Camilla just says he must have been brainwashed but she'll kill the Hoshidans and things will go back to normal.
Feelings over logic with her
17:05 WHAT DO YOU MEAN "just as the last time" ?!
My favorite dark momment was the (spoilers ofc) revelation of the true story of the 10 elites and the relics, i thought that was so messed up and the fact that the relics seem to be kind of alive as some of them move if look at them up close.
Rhea and the Nabateans easily have the most tragic backstory in the game, that it bothers me that so much of the fandom either ignores it or is unaware of it. And considering the shit she goes through on *all routes*, I always felt she deserved a good ending the most out of anyone. Just let her be happy for once please.
Same. I feel a lot of this has to do with people not playing or acknowledging Verdant Wind, as well as being blind Edelstans.
Definitely agree. I hate how she was treated in Hopes especially.
@@Ace-2048 For sure. For being the main antagonist in 2 routes, she had very little to do and wasn't particularly well-developed, and that's doubly so as an ally.
They’re not unaware. They just don’t care. Too many people try to say the church is evil, xenophobic, the cause of everything. Her backstory is ignored for the evil church narrative.
@@mwtoZP The Church is questionable, but not enough to tar all the Nabateans with the same brush.
I loved both this and the last video and it's clear that the difference between the "horror" of Sacred Stones and 3 Houses is one is more direct and the other is more implicit. Yet they still remain two of the most frightening games in the series.
On the Subject matter itself, the end of the Blue Moon Route has always stood out to me because of the ritual that transformed Edelgard into a frankly horrendous being, moreso because in Crimson Flower, this never happens, meaning that Edelgard's reliance on Byleth is that of a guardian/parent figure than of a Teacher. So my theory is that a conspiracy formed to remove Edelgard from her position of leadership but use the last of her life as a last stand maneuver. Which is horrific to think about.
Very well made video, good job!
You are more gracious towards Rheas lies than I would’ve been. Great vid either way.
The most disturbing thing about Cathrine is that she and Ashe can get married, after she basically killed both his Brother and his Adoptive Father
In fairness, a LOT of the games' supports (and its themes overall) involve people forgiving one another for past transgressions, both perceived and real.
Ingrid coming to realise how baseless and cruel her prejudice against Dedue and his kin truly was...
Dorothea letting go of her hatred for Ferdinand, who in her mind embodied almost everything she'd grown to hate about the nobility...
Lorenz seeing his commonfolk allies with a fresh and more appreciative perspective...
Caspar and Petra burying the hatchet for their families' history of fighting and killing each other...
Bernadetta not holding Yuri's attempt on her life against him...
The list goes on for a LONG while.
Catherine and Ashe are certainly among the more extreme examples, since her transgression is both real and dealt by her own hand, but their situation is not a total outlier for Three Houses and not impossible given they have more than 5 years to work things out.
And people say that if El didn’t do anything everything would have been fine and peaceful. Claude probably would have done it instead just later. And for How much I love dime he probably would not have done enough on his own.
Because it would've been. Dimitri had his own plans and was pretty progressive in 3Hopes and seemingly was going to be just as progressive as his 3Houses counterpart.
Hell nobody disagrees with Edelgard. I don't. Just her methods and assessment.
Faerghus was going to change, hell I like to think Claude would've found his own ways to enact change too, even if he too had his imperialistic desires. He was and is an opportunist.
I just dont think he would do what Edelgard did outright so perhaps he would be malleable.
But the answer to save others and make the world a better place isn't imperialism and conquest. That's why she was wrong. She couldve left well enough alone after taking control of Adrestia. Literally none of the sovereigns nor Rhea were gonna stop her in 3 Hopes.
She was to some extent held back by the Agarthans but its clear she was always gonna wage war. Her stopping the Agarthans wasnt her main goal.
Edelgard's war was both pointless, but not without some merit. After all, if she wins she gets to change Fodlan on her own terms. But to say it was necessary to make the world a better place couldn't be anymore wrong.
Especially when none of the respective rulers are even given a chance to try.
@@justinianthe1st790 See, here's the problem. MAYBE it would have changed. But there are several problems. One, Dimitri wanted slow and steady reforms, hoping that the people would learn and change themselves. However, what about the countless nobles that wouldn't agree to this? How long would it take before THEY decided to change? A hundred years? Two hundred? Or maybe a full thousand years?
How many more people have to suffer under the Crest system before things FINALLY change?
And the other problem is Rhea. You can talk about Rhea hating Crests, but it was HER that preached the belief that Crests are blessings of the goddess and that people need them. That leaders are the ones that have Crests. And 3Hopes has the GW route have Rhea admit that she has no faith in humanity and that she sees herself as someone that NEEDS to keep control over humans and always guide them.
You think Rhea would suddenly change her stance and that she'd suddenly start preaching that Crests are unnecessary? Nope.
The end result of this is that the changes are too slow. Eventually, the obsession with Crests over declining Crest bloodlines would result in people warring for Crests, trying to get them by any means necessary. Religion wars would be fought because they'd believe that if they have no Crests, the goddess must have abandoned them because there no longer are any blessings.
Edelgard already knew well ahead that this state of Fodlan was impossible and all that awaited the people was ruination. She was not going to accept the current state of things. If Rhea was going to keep this current status quo ongoing, then she had to be removed.
'people' are more niave than you think 😉
@@zakwood3094 Why did you put "people" in air quotes? What are you trying to say?
Three Hopes literally proves a war wasn't necessary. All three countries were making giant steps to reform in the two-year timeskip until the declaration of war, which ironically made reform harder and take longer.
The last one about Emile make me very trust Edelgard that only way to solve everything so twisted is to abolish all of it. I find Lysethea were really depressed but that pale when compared to Emile.
my mind always goes to the sexual abuse yuri is implied to have gone through, from count rowe being implied to adopt him due to his "pretty face" to his supports with dorothea in which he outright states that nobles who were interested in her would use him as an "inferior substitute", which he himself states left him feeling like he was dirty and unloveable, a pretty common feeling for children who are survivors of sexual abuse. im genuinely shocked about the fact that they put all that in the game.
damn now it makes sense
The fact he also says he was a replacement for Dorothea is just so sad
Their support together was honestly great but it also extremely dark and explains alot of how both characters see the nobility, who has done nothing but hurt them
What's really messed up about Cyril is that he *willingly* does clean up work & other jobs on his own for the monastery, but he doesn't mind since it's for Rhea instead... This is super messed up when you consider the fact that he was once a slave
He does this because:
(a) it's virtually all he knows how to do
(b) he's grateful to Rhea for getting him out of slavery
@@TornaitSuperBird It's still very fucked up & i have no idea why Rhea never tries to tell him to stop
@@BardockSkywalker It may seem fucked up to people who don't understand, but this is how it usually ends up working when you try to "liberate" someone who grew up in slavery.
Since the things they were forced to do in slavery are the only things they know how to do, they'll continue to do them even when freed- as it's the only sense of purpose they basically know, unless you teach them something else. Even to that end, Cyril has enough agency to learn how to read and write on his own (with help from others, of course). This is basically why Rhea didn't stop him- he was perfectly content to do all the work he did, and it was better than hiring someone from the village to do the same jobs. Sure, you could call it "taking advantage" of him, but Cyril himself definitely doesn't see things that way. He's just happy to be able to do *anything*.
Long story short, Cyril himself doesn't see it as something shameful or beneath him to do all of these things. He uses the skills he's learned to make himself useful, regardless of how others see him.
@@BardockSkywalker She did but Cyril can't imagine himself doing anything else. If you do his support with Seteth he outright says that Rhea gave Cyril the Carte Blanche to live as he pleases but Cyril doesn't want to use it.
@@BardockSkywalker Both Rhea and Seteth tell him he doesn't have to work but he insists out of a sense of gratitude. Personally I find it cute in a "I've always been forced to do this, but now I'm doing it willingly out of love" kind of way.
The lore is so awesome and seeing Eldgard turn into a monster and Dimitri becoming a boar is crazy
i love how much parallels 3houses has to genealogy, im not sure about 3hopes but i wish houses had a manfroy for those who slither in the dark instead of just "we wanna revive nemesis"
phenomenal video as usual
Maybe a video on theory crafting? I don't know how to explain it, but crests and relics could've been possible in the Archanea/Valentia world. Look into what Duma did with the people of Thabes, Falchion being a fang of Naga, and the Echoes exclusive weapons (Only royalty could use the Royal Blade with the exclusive Double Lion combat art). Good luck on finding a place!
The Crest system/Relic Weapons is most certainly a critique of the exalt brand/the Falchion and more generally all the pieces of fantasy media where royalty/nobility have special heridarty magic and weapons. It shows the injustice that would actually result, taking inspiration from history. Maybe not a theory, but he could make a really good video comparing how these systems are depicted in other Fire Emblem games vs 3H.
@@AbsolXGuardian
No it wasn't. It was an homage to the holy blood of FE4
@@abraxas1262
It COULD be ... But that's not what the devs said. So basically it's death of the author: relying on self interpretation of the game based on how each player individually views it. And if it's just self interpretation, people don't really have the right to do around saying "hey this is OBVIOUSLY what the devs intended and my interpretation is right only." As long as people don't force their opinions down other's throats, it's fine to have their own interpretation.
As for what the devs said tho, it's an homage to FE4. They even said the whole officer's academy itself was inspired by Sigurd, Quan and Eldigan in their military academy days.
And let's be real here: 3H praises crests just as often as it says crests bad. It's hilarious and ironic how the only reason Edelgard of all people is viewed as the best unit in CF is because of Amyr aka a crest based weapon only she can use without NG+. Crests bad huh? Seems like gameplay wise, crests good - like how gameplay wise holy blood good.
@@abraxas1262
Maybe you should read my original comment on this thread. I was replying to a person above who said crests are (their words not mine) "a critique of the exalt/brand/falchion etc" to which I said no - they're an homage to holy blood in FE4. You're the one who said "it must be a critique of FE4" not me. I didn't make this topic about a critique of FE4, you did. I was correcting the above dude who said it was about the falchion/the exalt brand etc from stuff like Awakening and Echoes. Because it absolutely wasn't.
And to respond one final time to you, the story in 3H is an absolute mess. The crests are stolen by humanity by killing dragons and drinking their blood. That's obviously bad and it should be clear why. But when Edelgard is lying all game about the false origin of crests, combined with gameplay pretty much making crest units better on average, any messages you want to take are just as mixed and convoluted as they were back in FE4. And by the war, holy blood in FE4 was never seen as bad at all. It was incest that was viewed as bad story wise but great gameplay wise for holy weapons.
I like how thumbnail Edelgard is covering Dimitri's eye patch.
I remember Edelgard turning into a monster on the blue lions route
I don't know if this counts but despite the assholes the Agarthans can be, i think their hatred becomes from the fact that Sothis literally disappeared all of their lands and people, considering how inmense the anger and desires of Revenge of Thales and all of them. I don't know i suppose thats something very sad and very comparable to Rhea's feelings concerning the Nabateans
To be honest, it was really dumb of their ancestors to square up to Sothis and literally challenge her to a battle for dominance which they then proceeded to lose most disastrously.
For Rhea to even continue calling her mother Sword of the Creator after Nemesis was defeated just goes to show how her ambition for revenge consumed her. I don't think it's clear who named the sword, but it can have a double meaning depending on whether you regard Sothis a god, hence a creator, or maybe Nemesis is the creator since he fashioned it from her bones. Divine Pulse is really all you see as Sothis' main power, which to be fair didn't save her from her fate, so it's possible she's just a divine powerful being, and not an actual god. It lends more credence that Nemesis, or at least his people, named the sword.
To have your body being whipped around like a tool, and to be disregarded as just a sword to use is bad enough already, but to have your own daughter continue to perpetuate the relic's name is a disservice to her memory. Albeit, it is likely her way of coping with the horrible reality of her people. Maybe she is trying to reapply the name to regard her mother as her own creator. Regardless of where the name came from, it still lingers with the tainted lies Rhea spread, and the consequences of upholding the crests as divine.
While Sothis is only shown to have that power, I believe Rhea and the church refer to the Goddess, Sothis, as the divine creator, as the one who made Fodlan itself.
While perpetuating the name is a bit of a disservice, it seems Rhea tried to change history so that "The Creator" is a name associated with her mother rather than with the man who killed her
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