What frankl misses is that you can't have a free choice. Your choices are a grouping between your biology and the environment you had throughout your life.
*“Our current philosophy stresses the idea that people ought to be happy, that unhappiness is a symptom of maladjustment. Such a value system might be responsible for the fact that the burden of unavoidable unhappiness is increased by unhappiness about being unhappy.”* Really enjoyed the book. Recently did a video on my channel as well. Keep up the good work.
Well for me i think you cant find true happiness with out being sad cuz if ur always happy are you really happy? Thats why we have problems we need to pass you cant be happy forever
Realizing that you can choose how to react to things, as simple as it sounds, was something that took me yeaaaaars to finally understand. It’s a significant part of what helped me climb out of my depression and suppress the panic attacks I used to frequently experience. It’s videos like this that helped pull me out of the darkness! Thank you 🙏
Yes, same here. It's a common misconcenption that other people and outside events can "make us" feel anything. It is ALWAYS your interpretation and reaction (to thoughts or outside influences) that make you feel a certain way. And you can train yourself to choose or alter your reactions, rather than just embrace them blindly. This simple fact is so obvious once you've had it pointed out, and my life and understanding of other people has improved immeasurably. I didn't learn this from philosophy videos, but actually from a video explaining the premise of Cognitive Behavoral Therapy (CBT), a form of therapy which I'd wholeheartedly recommend.
@-GinPi Gamma Is this a quote by him? I really like how this is worded. And to your statement at the end, i agree but, why do you think that is? I assume its because the ego emerges from the need to survive and as for the ultimate "why"... there is no answer, everything happens because it happens. I think the ego just can't accept this as it would mean there is no point in its existence.
I'll say you're only cheating yourself if you only study stoicism (or only Marcus for that matter, read other stoic philosophies). Stoic philosophy is making it's rounds in recent years. Everyone has a hard on for it but it's not the "said all, be all".
Mans Search For Meaning is a sincerely profound book. I absolutely loved reading it. It is not a difficult or inaccessible book, yet so profound you will be rethinking life as you know it.
I feel there's a lot of value to be gained from various religions on the importance of suffering, it's something humanity has concluded to throughout history (it makes sense Kiekegaard being mentioned in this video). Really interesting video
Well yeah but it can get pretty boring. Sometimes you just read for the 39th time that you are your wounds and that you shouldn't avoid getting hurt, when that should just be a rule of thumb, but is thought of as an actual thing you NEED to do.
@@BygoneT Yes, I was looking for someone to say this. Reading the principle is a preparation for really learning the principle, which requires living through adversity.
@@buldermatts2968 Are you able to elaborate why you state that? I do not believe that I demonstrated that I conflated such concepts, so context appears absent. Thanks either way.
Berserk really doesn't get enough credit for the psychological aspects at play. You'd be surprised how many people are just into it because Coolguy McBigsword is badass.
As we learn more about mental health and see how intense suffering can break one's mind through causing chronic PTSD, Anxiety, and Depression, I can't help but feel that a balance needs to be defined between "benign" suffering that helps us withstand mentally vs "excessive" suffering that destroys all our potential. Thoughts?
The line between constructive suffering that acts as a catalyst for growth and excessive suffering that acts as a catalyst for further purposeless suffering is a fine line indeed. It greatly depends on the individual. The average man in Victor Frankl’s position would’ve been completely consumed by the suffering and would’ve been psychologically broken beyond repair if he were to have physically survived. Victor was an incredible man.
@@acardinalconsideration824 Or maybe there's no line and it ALL boils down to how we react to it? One person can suffer from depression for years and suddenly overcome it through spirituality or a change in belief systems..while another continues to suffer from the same illness, whether through ignorance or cheer bad luck/lack of exposure. For example, in my case if I hadn't came across one particular book I'd still continue suffering from treatment-resistant depression that had lasted over 5 years. I don't really know. I'm talking out of my ass.
that's something i also kept thinking about. the line is probably very different for everyone, but surely it can be moved for most people as well. but how to do that and where it will land is incredibly fickle and hard to know or predict. our brains in general are just hard to predict. which always leads me to the same sad conclusion that we can't know enough to rlly help the individual and maybe not even most people, only those people who just happen to respond well to whatever treatment or philosophy or mindset they were engaging with.
@@Enimillion that last sentence of yours is it. Each individual's brain has a way to speak to it. Some respond to CBT others find no meaning to it. Does that mean CBT does/n't work? Depends on the person. That's why I'd stay away from any therapist that uses only one method/style of treatment. That rarely works. Specially, for severe cases.
@1SmokedTurkey1 There is a line, but the line varies significantly from person to person. There are way too many variables to account for. Ultimately, it all comes down to our genetics and environment. Our innate characteristics, and how they are molded over time. This is what we are as individuals.
I teared up at the last passage. What a way to express a deep longing to live and fulfill one's life to the fullest without referring to religion! The point about choosing the way you react strongly resonates with the stoic position, as I see it, which makes me want to read Frankl immediately. Definitely adding "Man's search for meaning" to my reading list. Thank you so much for this video, I love this side of UA-cam.
It's like someone took Camus' notion of absurdism and de-abstracted it; made it applicable to the life of a layperson, and connected it to the healing power of therapy. Edit: subbed, both for the quality of the video and because of your channel name
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Yeah, see: 1) if you could even say WHICH logical fallacy, you would've (you now have an opportunity to do some after-the-fact Googling to save face), 2) I didn't form a logical statement, so it couldn't be logically fallacious; even if it's wrong, not everything inappropriate, invalid, or incorrect is a fallacy of logic, which is a specific mode of forms; and 3) I know you saw a list of (informal) logical fallacies, but the problem a lot of people on the internet suffer from is misusing them to shut down actual conversation and avoid difficult topics.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο See what I mean? ... do you even know the informal fallacies at all? or did someone just say the word "logical fallacy" once and you figured that just covered it whenever someone said it?
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Also, I'm not sure how implying your beliefs are more theoretical than genuine needs me to delve into the "physics" of your own personal attitudes and conduct. Are you saying I need to study the electric impulses in your neural pathways before I can talk to you? lol
I feel like a person's psychology depends on what they believe in. It depends on the person really and every major psychologist that had something to contribute to the field as a major school of thought was their own life's experience. I think its amazing that so many people have their own evidence that mighy be self evident for them and even for others. Any kind of mindest can be helpful for a person even the most sad/depressing mindsets can help people who are suffering and can't understand the whys understand themselves better which helps them to deal with these things. In the long run I think its good to believe in something grounded that helps you but to the point where you can finally develop your own beliefs for life and all the tribulations so that there be even the slightest peace when finally passing on. Its great to align or fall under a set of beliefs but it should only matter what you really believe in and not for reasons of outside affirmation. The belief in oneself can be powerful.
This is one thing I still a bit struggle with. What should you exactly believe in? No matter what I think or look into, I'll always be swayed to agree with something, but that something doesn't really "give" meaning to life. Yeah it may give you meaning to what you think life should be or what YOU should be, but it doesn't help (imo) that for me, I could be anyone at any given time. I could be a student, I could be a radiologist, an engineer. Ect. The fact that there is no clear answer that you really can't prove anything striffles me what to actually believe and value in life. There is no good or bad, right or wrong, Love doesn't technically exist, but does. There is just.....indifference to everything or both to everything can even be things to believe in, that to stay indifferent is key 🔑 or that everyone is right in their own way , but it's probably not and just your own view on how it is.
@@Yusa_Beach I agree. This nihilistic view point is totally reasonable and rational tbh. For in the death of God, and away from religion, what we deem as genuine and natural and evident, falls into indifference. No objectove meaning, no moral standards, no ethics, no false, no right, no good, no bad. All actions are equal in this materialistic existence constructed from mere atoms. Raping a baby is equal to giving charity, it is atoms interacting with each other at best. Existentialism, nihilism, absurdism etc. all fall under athiesm. It does not matter what school of thought you follow for the main concept is ultimately the same; these schools are just some different selected dogmas to what to do with one's pitiless, useless and worthless life.
@@DexTFT Well I wasn't meaning for it be considered nihilism, I was saying that no matter what you think life should be about or what you should believe in, it will always be a matter of your own perspective which could possibly be wrong. Thinking that indifference is key or maybe it's best to see 3 or 4 sides of the same coin is the same thing as believing in one thing. (As you said after my comment)
@-GinPi Gamma Then tell us, What is exactly Love? Is it a feeling? Is it a commitment? Is it mutualism? Or maybe its all those things in one? Maybe its neither of those things and probably one's own opinion on how it should be. In the grand scheme of things, it's probably just a social contruct that everyone seems to agree on what it should be. So what exactly is "Love"? If you have a good answer on what it should be, just maybe I will believe you. Or not.
At least Sisyphus didn't live to see so many of his beloved murdered. Pushing a boulder every day is bad enough without your mind dwelling on that shit while you do it
My psychologist studied under Frankl after the war and uses logo therapy as his technique. He went to his house, had dinner with him (which was apparently very normal back then), and went to his school. He is a very old man, and when I met him, he was very slow speaking and I foolishly judged him as being a senile incompetent old man. But when he spoke, it was like he knew me in and out so quickly and he turned out to be the best psychologist I’ve ever had. Through his understanding of logotherapy and studying Frankl’s work he has changed my life and helped me see a way out from my nihilistic ways. It’s truly changed my life for the better.
Great video! I would note that Frankl's "determinism" is a useful psychological tool that is STRICTLY relegated to the external world, not meant to be applied to actors themselves. Indeed, the fact that it is not is exactly the point, as Frankl was a decided believer in free will and personal independence.
this is probably the most genuine video on this topic, the meaning of life is a simple answer with many paths that branch from it because it simply isn't the same for everyone and changes over time.
I admire this man's will in the face of losing everything and I enjoyed these sentiments alot but one thing I've started notice is that alot of people come up with answers to big questions that are objectively true in the grand scheme but the truth is we're smaller then that and life's not often so simple or black and white.
Whats the opposite of grey? Nothing, what's the opposite of nothing? Something. And the cycle continues, to go around and around and around and around and around without a true ending weither to stay or go. Is it in between? Yes, but is it also not in between? Also yes.
Funny enough I recently pulled out of my bookcase Frankl's The Unconscious God. I haven't thought of Frankl for years until then and now you have done a video about his ideas. Thanks.
(Long story disclaimer) Last year I had a series of panic attacks that lasted about 3 months from the turn of the year to around March. I had lived in a world between 2pm and 6am for a good 3 months already and found I could only work and stay up drinking and smoking into the wee hours of the morning. I did not get to see my family or friends but maybe once every 3 weeks and my work schedule didn't allow much other engagement with people. Living basically by myself but for a roommate who'd be obliterated self destructively by the time I got home I felt I had entered a world of solitary confinement and what made it worse was seeing the city sleep and seeing people go home to their friends and family when I was sent to work. This started the anxiety and weird mixture of rage and sadness when I got to work. I knew I was an extrovert and I did not like the environment I was in. So, eventually I kept going to the point where, if anyone has dealt with substance abuse and depression, there's this deceptively malignant plateau of apathy one may encounter and I found myself there again after years of trying to make a better life for myself. I recognized it but I didn't know what to do until one night I drank myself to blurred vision and couldn't walk straight. This ended with a messy bathroom I couldn't clean up and I woke up with pretty severe COVID symptoms. After that I couldn't drink, I'd pushed the limit and hit a nice solid rock bottom that hit like a Mack Truck. I couldn't move my body, it hurt to breathe, muscles aches, joints stiffened, couldn't taste or smell and a strange fog laid across my mind. I say all this because for the few who do read it this can really happen and it's no place for the prideful. At some point something clicked, I'd been chasing rock bottom, a reason for my only pleasures and I'd had it. I'd been there before with addictions. I thought, if I'm such a weak person who truly wants to be happy I have to get over my insecurities and and really try some things that will help me cope and bring out the trouble that's been wrecking my life. I saw someone finding a path inwards through disciplined strength building and I hopped on that boat and I did not let go because that meant life or death to me. I began allowing my panic attacks to happen without feeding them and then I'd force myself to eat right and lift weights. A little over a year later I still find stress relief in lifting for PTSD and anxiety reduction while gently embracing my whole self. It really brought the writing of the narrative into my hands just as Frankl advocated. I'd laugh at myself in the gym at 4 am after no sleep and I'd go to work so I could pass out when I got home at 2am. My boss saw that I was serious about having my schedule changed or I'd leave, so I got what I needed for my emotional health. I'd go on and make new friends, repair the old ones and move out of that shit hole that still haunts me. Hard Lesson is for people with depression and anxiety, life will throw shit at you, and the more work you do to get out of that dung heap, it will find different and new ways. Accept it. Make time to deal with it. Do not let go of your will to live Your life. And finally, make time to embrace new opportunities. None of this will matter if you don't allow yourself time to smell the flowers or have a good hang out with your friends.
And I should say, this is the true challenge to change your perspective. Who you really are can be found when you've been beaten to a pulp. What kind of person are you at the bottom? Why fight with yourself when you have nothing left to lose? There's only up from there.
i can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers, it feels like throughout your recent videos we’ve seen you hone your craft and improve on so many aspects of your videos, keep up the good work ❤️
I don't know how this eluded me for so long--I have to keep this on rewind as to not forget. Yes, this was an answer I sought. Thank you --I am grateful.
What a beautiful timeless story. For being strong enough to live in terrible times, survive,write, give a very human interpretation on standard ideals of depression . Endurance ,, oh yeah
Seeing Jung secret his pipe in his palm and suckle it like a pacifier shows he still needed comfort from his sufferings. ♡ that comforts me as I continue my healing journey. Thank you for explaining this for me.
11th Thanks @Sisyphus 55 coincidentally, earlier this week, a friend had recommended "Man's search for meaning" so thanks for this trailer/teaser for Frankl's Work. I find your presentations very helpful. Long may you continue.
@@bottlebeard it’s like the hitchhikers guide to galaxy but the system answers “the most important question is asking what is the most Important question “ self loop to infinity :)
I just thought I'd say thank you for your work. I've been using your channel as reference for what authors' works I should check out/read next. You are really good at summarising. Once again, thank you my guy
The meaning of life is to clean up the stuff that is in the way of doing the stuff. And then once that stuff is done, one must find more stuff to do, more problems to solve. And then you die. This is as close to a meaningful existence as one could ever ask for.
Lovely. I like grey sky as it gives me a better sense of hope. I find blue sky oppressive. I often wish I had grey coloured eyes like the grey sky I like. But mine a brown-ish.
@@Shrkek Jumping straight into this specific work might be difficult as it is rife with metaphors and connections to ideas elaborated in his other works. Reading some of his other books or honestly watching a few videos on Nietzche's thought would probably be fine, and my god is worth it. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is one of my favorite books of all time and has greatly impacted my outlook on life, for the better.
I say this because I didn't want to live and it was good for me, I do now see that that may not be the case for everyone, and to be the one recommending it to everyone could be controversial
8:26 Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true.
The idea humans are driven by the search for meaning really reminds me of Lacan and "object a", an abstract object we pursue all of our life in order to fill the emptiness in our life
Since humans have been hardwired to survive, it's only logical that meaning and purpose would also evolve as psychological mechanisms that allow us to persevere through the worst of circumstances. We see this in religion and other forms of dogma that make people see suffering as a vital component of existence with the reward being some sort of blissful afterlife.
Thank you for all your wonderful and insightful videos, especially this one about such a valuable, insightful, poetic and loving soul Dr Victor Frankl.
I only realized I could choose how I react to things while playing CK3 and having my character have a mental breakdown, and adress it like "There will be time to be insane later"
9:13 it reminds me of this quote “While the Goddess of Suffering took me in her arms, often threatening to crush me, my will to resistance grew, and in the end this will was victorious. I owe it to that period that I grew hard and am still capable of being hard. And even more, I exalt it for tearing me away from the hollowness of comfortable life; for drawing the mother's darling out of his soft downy bed and giving him "Dame Care" for a new mother; for hurling me, despite all resistance, into a world of misery and poverty, thus making me acquainted with those for whom I was later to fight.” - the most hated man of the 21st century
Hitler was 20th century. Are you implying that he is more hated now that then? Or that there was a man more hated in the 20th century I am inclined to agree with both of them as he wasn't the worst man alive in the 20th and we do hate him more in the 21st century
Frankel was my mom's favorite philosopher and person from that time, and I didn't even know he was this well known. (In my defense I grew up in a Christian cult)
Skepticism is well due given how the bias of personal experience is inextricable from what one human being is likely to offer as therapy. Add to that apathy and the motivation of money and there isn't much help available at a reasonable price.
Its good, but I think a key element to really get the hopelessness across, has less to to with the immanent suffering the tormented inmates of Ausschwitz and other KZs went through and actually comes from the idea that there is nowhere to go back to, even if you survive a place worse than hell. Death is always around the corner, but one thing is certain: outside of Ausschwitz no-one is waiting and your home is gone.
It took years, lots of videos, lots of books, but I feel like I have solified something within me that hopefully will keep me afloat if Im ever to fall into such horrible circumstances, hopefully keeping a will to live like Mr Frankl has
Date of death is incorrect, it's 1997
Thanks for making these amazing videos
What frankl misses is that you can't have a free choice.
Your choices are a grouping between your biology and the environment you had throughout your life.
Anyways thanks for the video
the year i was born...
What’s up with the podcast dawg?
*“Our current philosophy stresses the idea that people ought to be happy, that unhappiness is a symptom of maladjustment. Such a value system might be responsible for the fact that the burden of unavoidable unhappiness is increased by unhappiness about being unhappy.”*
Really enjoyed the book. Recently did a video on my channel as well. Keep up the good work.
Cool to see you here! I've been watching your videos :) they're great
Well for me i think you cant find true happiness with out being sad cuz if ur always happy are you really happy? Thats why we have problems we need to pass you cant be happy forever
Sure blame the individual and not the system. Sounds like a crash course in reverse psychology.
@-GinPi Gamma I don't think humans made this system. Lol. Hence it's a nightmare for them.
@-GinPi Gamma not humans. The sub conscious has always been there.
As for who "devoured" nature lol
Nobody, since nature isn't devoured.
Realizing that you can choose how to react to things, as simple as it sounds, was something that took me yeaaaaars to finally understand. It’s a significant part of what helped me climb out of my depression and suppress the panic attacks I used to frequently experience. It’s videos like this that helped pull me out of the darkness! Thank you 🙏
For me it was Marcus Aurelius.
Yes, same here. It's a common misconcenption that other people and outside events can "make us" feel anything. It is ALWAYS your interpretation and reaction (to thoughts or outside influences) that make you feel a certain way. And you can train yourself to choose or alter your reactions, rather than just embrace them blindly. This simple fact is so obvious once you've had it pointed out, and my life and understanding of other people has improved immeasurably.
I didn't learn this from philosophy videos, but actually from a video explaining the premise of Cognitive Behavoral Therapy (CBT), a form of therapy which I'd wholeheartedly recommend.
Bless you and other who are on the same journey
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Let's go! Good job
"He who has a why to live can bear almost any how"
That's from Friedrich Nietsche, isn't it? The Video made me wonder how much Viktor Frankl was influenced by him.
@@lennart-oimel9933 You're right.
@-GinPi Gamma Is this a quote by him? I really like how this is worded. And to your statement at the end, i agree but, why do you think that is? I assume its because the ego emerges from the need to survive and as for the ultimate "why"... there is no answer, everything happens because it happens. I think the ego just can't accept this as it would mean there is no point in its existence.
Be your own solution.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Maroon 5 - Animals or Martin Garix - Animals?
man's search for meaning is probably one of my favorite books of all time
nice seeing you here, cheers friend
It's such a good book and has helped me through so much
imo not my favourite at all but nonetheless very impactful
i prefer the sequel, Man's Search for Waldo
can you give a summery?
Love the philosphers that don't fall victim to cynicism and Narcissism, we can learn so much from them while still finding hope
Mans search for meaning and Meditations by Marcus Aurelius changed my life
Ultimately two very good books!
truly. i feel like everyone deserves to read those book at least once.
read emil cioran to change your life again. for the worse ;D
Yes, I see a big Connection between stoicism and Frankl. Really interesting stuff.
I'll say you're only cheating yourself if you only study stoicism (or only Marcus for that matter, read other stoic philosophies). Stoic philosophy is making it's rounds in recent years. Everyone has a hard on for it but it's not the "said all, be all".
i first read mans search for meaning in a moral theology class in high school ... i’ve reread it about 10 times since. frankl is a genius.
Anything theological is worthless, explaining the impossible in terms of the improbable.
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@@havenbastion Lol
I get the strong feeling I want to hug this man. I know he's gone, but he was a good soul.
Mans Search For Meaning is a sincerely profound book. I absolutely loved reading it. It is not a difficult or inaccessible book, yet so profound you will be rethinking life as you know it.
I feel there's a lot of value to be gained from various religions on the importance of suffering, it's something humanity has concluded to throughout history (it makes sense Kiekegaard being mentioned in this video). Really interesting video
Well yeah but it can get pretty boring. Sometimes you just read for the 39th time that you are your wounds and that you shouldn't avoid getting hurt, when that should just be a rule of thumb, but is thought of as an actual thing you NEED to do.
@@BygoneT Yes, I was looking for someone to say this. Reading the principle is a preparation for really learning the principle, which requires living through adversity.
Nothing positive is to be acquired from religion except knowledge of exactly how not to act.
@@RokeJulianLockhart.s13ouq be careful of thinking that faith and dogma are the same thing, they're are absolutely not.
@@buldermatts2968 Are you able to elaborate why you state that? I do not believe that I demonstrated that I conflated such concepts, so context appears absent. Thanks either way.
Thar's why I like berserk.A search for meaning in a dark world.
RIP, Kenatro Miura
Berserk really doesn't get enough credit for the psychological aspects at play. You'd be surprised how many people are just into it because Coolguy McBigsword is badass.
Keep pushing struggler
Reality is poison
Play dark souls. Similar themea
Man's Search for Meaning changed my life. It's a book that everyone should read. It is a source of strength.
As we learn more about mental health and see how intense suffering can break one's mind through causing chronic PTSD, Anxiety, and Depression, I can't help but feel that a balance needs to be defined between "benign" suffering that helps us withstand mentally vs "excessive" suffering that destroys all our potential. Thoughts?
The line between constructive suffering that acts as a catalyst for growth and excessive suffering that acts as a catalyst for further purposeless suffering is a fine line indeed. It greatly depends on the individual. The average man in Victor Frankl’s position would’ve been completely consumed by the suffering and would’ve been psychologically broken beyond repair if he were to have physically survived. Victor was an incredible man.
@@acardinalconsideration824 Or maybe there's no line and it ALL boils down to how we react to it? One person can suffer from depression for years and suddenly overcome it through spirituality or a change in belief systems..while another continues to suffer from the same illness, whether through ignorance or cheer bad luck/lack of exposure. For example, in my case if I hadn't came across one particular book I'd still continue suffering from treatment-resistant depression that had lasted over 5 years. I don't really know. I'm talking out of my ass.
that's something i also kept thinking about. the line is probably very different for everyone, but surely it can be moved for most people as well. but how to do that and where it will land is incredibly fickle and hard to know or predict. our brains in general are just hard to predict. which always leads me to the same sad conclusion that we can't know enough to rlly help the individual and maybe not even most people, only those people who just happen to respond well to whatever treatment or philosophy or mindset they were engaging with.
@@Enimillion that last sentence of yours is it. Each individual's brain has a way to speak to it. Some respond to CBT others find no meaning to it. Does that mean CBT does/n't work? Depends on the person. That's why I'd stay away from any therapist that uses only one method/style of treatment. That rarely works. Specially, for severe cases.
@1SmokedTurkey1
There is a line, but the line varies significantly from person to person. There are way too many variables to account for. Ultimately, it all comes down to our genetics and environment. Our innate characteristics, and how they are molded over time. This is what we are as individuals.
I teared up at the last passage. What a way to express a deep longing to live and fulfill one's life to the fullest without referring to religion! The point about choosing the way you react strongly resonates with the stoic position, as I see it, which makes me want to read Frankl immediately. Definitely adding "Man's search for meaning" to my reading list. Thank you so much for this video, I love this side of UA-cam.
It's like someone took Camus' notion of absurdism and de-abstracted it; made it applicable to the life of a layperson, and connected it to the healing power of therapy.
Edit: subbed, both for the quality of the video and because of your channel name
Wow, yeah actually
exactly what i thought lol. throughout the video i was like "what the actual camus?"
Good video.
Man creates his own meaning by setting values and achieving them through virtues.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Don't see you living off the grid.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Yeah, see: 1) if you could even say WHICH logical fallacy, you would've (you now have an opportunity to do some after-the-fact Googling to save face), 2) I didn't form a logical statement, so it couldn't be logically fallacious; even if it's wrong, not everything inappropriate, invalid, or incorrect is a fallacy of logic, which is a specific mode of forms; and 3) I know you saw a list of (informal) logical fallacies, but the problem a lot of people on the internet suffer from is misusing them to shut down actual conversation and avoid difficult topics.
@-GinΠΓ Τάο See what I mean?
... do you even know the informal fallacies at all? or did someone just say the word "logical fallacy" once and you figured that just covered it whenever someone said it?
@-GinΠΓ Τάο Also, I'm not sure how implying your beliefs are more theoretical than genuine needs me to delve into the "physics" of your own personal attitudes and conduct. Are you saying I need to study the electric impulses in your neural pathways before I can talk to you? lol
@@connor237 off grid is simply one with nature
Me: Mom can we have Viktor Frankl?
Mom: We have Viktor Frankl at home.
Viktor Frankl at home: *Jordan Peterson*
Exactly lmfao
Winning comment of the day
Man’s Search for Meaning is like a solid 1/3 of his whole worldview lmao
I agree
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I feel like a person's psychology depends on what they believe in. It depends on the person really and every major psychologist that had something to contribute to the field as a major school of thought was their own life's experience. I think its amazing that so many people have their own evidence that mighy be self evident for them and even for others. Any kind of mindest can be helpful for a person even the most sad/depressing mindsets can help people who are suffering and can't understand the whys understand themselves better which helps them to deal with these things. In the long run I think its good to believe in something grounded that helps you but to the point where you can finally develop your own beliefs for life and all the tribulations so that there be even the slightest peace when finally passing on. Its great to align or fall under a set of beliefs but it should only matter what you really believe in and not for reasons of outside affirmation. The belief in oneself can be powerful.
This is one thing I still a bit struggle with. What should you exactly believe in?
No matter what I think or look into, I'll always be swayed to agree with something, but that something doesn't really "give" meaning to life. Yeah it may give you meaning to what you think life should be or what YOU should be, but it doesn't help (imo) that for me, I could be anyone at any given time.
I could be a student, I could be a radiologist, an engineer. Ect.
The fact that there is no clear answer that you really can't prove anything striffles me what to actually believe and value in life.
There is no good or bad, right or wrong, Love doesn't technically exist, but does.
There is just.....indifference to everything or both to everything can even be things to believe in, that to stay indifferent is key 🔑 or that everyone is right in their own way , but it's probably not and just your own view on how it is.
@@Yusa_Beach I agree. This nihilistic view point is totally reasonable and rational tbh. For in the death of God, and away from religion, what we deem as genuine and natural and evident, falls into indifference. No objectove meaning, no moral standards, no ethics, no false, no right, no good, no bad. All actions are equal in this materialistic existence constructed from mere atoms. Raping a baby is equal to giving charity, it is atoms interacting with each other at best.
Existentialism, nihilism, absurdism etc. all fall under athiesm. It does not matter what school of thought you follow for the main concept is ultimately the same; these schools are just some different selected dogmas to what to do with one's pitiless, useless and worthless life.
@-GinPi Gamma Define "all there is"
@@DexTFT Well I wasn't meaning for it be considered nihilism, I was saying that no matter what you think life should be about or what you should believe in, it will always be a matter of your own perspective which could possibly be wrong.
Thinking that indifference is key or maybe it's best to see 3 or 4 sides of the same coin is the same thing as believing in one thing.
(As you said after my comment)
@-GinPi Gamma Then tell us, What is exactly Love?
Is it a feeling? Is it a commitment? Is it mutualism? Or maybe its all those things in one? Maybe its neither of those things and probably one's own opinion on how it should be.
In the grand scheme of things, it's probably just a social contruct that everyone seems to agree on what it should be.
So what exactly is "Love"?
If you have a good answer on what it should be, just maybe I will believe you.
Or not.
One must imagine sisyphus happy 😁
At least Sisyphus didn't live to see so many of his beloved murdered. Pushing a boulder every day is bad enough without your mind dwelling on that shit while you do it
The myth of sisyphus i don't think is very comparable with viktors ideas. Absurdism makes it very clear the universe is void of meaning.
So this video was posted on my birthday, and I feel like it actually helped me. Thanks.
Happy birthday man
Happy birthday 🎉
I turned 18 on the 5th!
"I wouldn't do it....even for a scooby snack" -shaggy 1943
My psychologist studied under Frankl after the war and uses logo therapy as his technique. He went to his house, had dinner with him (which was apparently very normal back then), and went to his school. He is a very old man, and when I met him, he was very slow speaking and I foolishly judged him as being a senile incompetent old man. But when he spoke, it was like he knew me in and out so quickly and he turned out to be the best psychologist I’ve ever had. Through his understanding of logotherapy and studying Frankl’s work he has changed my life and helped me see a way out from my nihilistic ways. It’s truly changed my life for the better.
Great video! I would note that Frankl's "determinism" is a useful psychological tool that is STRICTLY relegated to the external world, not meant to be applied to actors themselves. Indeed, the fact that it is not is exactly the point, as Frankl was a decided believer in free will and personal independence.
this is probably the most genuine video on this topic, the meaning of life is a simple answer with many paths that branch from it because it simply isn't the same for everyone and changes over time.
Mans search for meaning is one of the greatest books! Just beautiful
I admire this man's will in the face of losing everything and I enjoyed these sentiments alot but one thing I've started notice is that alot of people come up with answers to big questions that are objectively true in the grand scheme but the truth is we're smaller then that and life's not often so simple or black and white.
Whats the opposite of grey?
Nothing, what's the opposite of nothing?
Something.
And the cycle continues, to go around and around and around and around and around without a true ending weither to stay or go.
Is it in between? Yes, but is it also not in between? Also yes.
@@Yusa_Beach
(Left, Right)
(West, East)
(This, That)
(Etc. Etc)
@@Gabriel.4190 exactly
Jocko Willink "Stuck in concercentration camp? Good"
Funny enough I recently pulled out of my bookcase Frankl's The Unconscious God. I haven't thought of Frankl for years until then and now you have done a video about his ideas. Thanks.
i love how i thought the exact same thing about what drives a human mind without even knowing frankl. since all i ever look for is meaning.
I’m so glad you’re talking about Frankl I find his work so fascinating and insightful
(Long story disclaimer) Last year I had a series of panic attacks that lasted about 3 months from the turn of the year to around March. I had lived in a world between 2pm and 6am for a good 3 months already and found I could only work and stay up drinking and smoking into the wee hours of the morning. I did not get to see my family or friends but maybe once every 3 weeks and my work schedule didn't allow much other engagement with people. Living basically by myself but for a roommate who'd be obliterated self destructively by the time I got home I felt I had entered a world of solitary confinement and what made it worse was seeing the city sleep and seeing people go home to their friends and family when I was sent to work. This started the anxiety and weird mixture of rage and sadness when I got to work. I knew I was an extrovert and I did not like the environment I was in. So, eventually I kept going to the point where, if anyone has dealt with substance abuse and depression, there's this deceptively malignant plateau of apathy one may encounter and I found myself there again after years of trying to make a better life for myself. I recognized it but I didn't know what to do until one night I drank myself to blurred vision and couldn't walk straight. This ended with a messy bathroom I couldn't clean up and I woke up with pretty severe COVID symptoms. After that I couldn't drink, I'd pushed the limit and hit a nice solid rock bottom that hit like a Mack Truck. I couldn't move my body, it hurt to breathe, muscles aches, joints stiffened, couldn't taste or smell and a strange fog laid across my mind. I say all this because for the few who do read it this can really happen and it's no place for the prideful. At some point something clicked, I'd been chasing rock bottom, a reason for my only pleasures and I'd had it. I'd been there before with addictions. I thought, if I'm such a weak person who truly wants to be happy I have to get over my insecurities and and really try some things that will help me cope and bring out the trouble that's been wrecking my life. I saw someone finding a path inwards through disciplined strength building and I hopped on that boat and I did not let go because that meant life or death to me. I began allowing my panic attacks to happen without feeding them and then I'd force myself to eat right and lift weights. A little over a year later I still find stress relief in lifting for PTSD and anxiety reduction while gently embracing my whole self. It really brought the writing of the narrative into my hands just as Frankl advocated. I'd laugh at myself in the gym at 4 am after no sleep and I'd go to work so I could pass out when I got home at 2am. My boss saw that I was serious about having my schedule changed or I'd leave, so I got what I needed for my emotional health. I'd go on and make new friends, repair the old ones and move out of that shit hole that still haunts me. Hard Lesson is for people with depression and anxiety, life will throw shit at you, and the more work you do to get out of that dung heap, it will find different and new ways. Accept it. Make time to deal with it. Do not let go of your will to live Your life. And finally, make time to embrace new opportunities. None of this will matter if you don't allow yourself time to smell the flowers or have a good hang out with your friends.
And I should say, this is the true challenge to change your perspective. Who you really are can be found when you've been beaten to a pulp. What kind of person are you at the bottom? Why fight with yourself when you have nothing left to lose? There's only up from there.
i can’t believe you don’t have more subscribers, it feels like throughout your recent videos we’ve seen you hone your craft and improve on so many aspects of your videos, keep up the good work ❤️
I don't know how this eluded me for so long--I have to keep this on rewind as to not forget. Yes, this was an answer I sought. Thank you --I am grateful.
I've been trying to motivate myself to pick Man's Search for Meaning up since I got it for Christmas; your video gave me a reason to read. Thank you
I try to live my life by many of his teachings. Thank you for reminding me and explaining it in such an enjoyable way. Cheers 🍻
What a beautiful timeless story.
For being strong enough to live in terrible times, survive,write, give a very human interpretation on standard ideals of depression .
Endurance ,, oh yeah
Seeing Jung secret his pipe in his palm and suckle it like a pacifier shows he still needed comfort from his sufferings. ♡ that comforts me as I continue my healing journey.
Thank you for explaining this for me.
Really excited to see you make a video on Frankl. Man's search for meaning has had a pretty large impact on my life.
Meaning is the pursuit of meaning from the perspective of one who embraces the absurdity of life, and meaning itself.
The problem is not the problem,
The problem is your view of the problem.
11th Thanks @Sisyphus 55 coincidentally, earlier this week, a friend had recommended "Man's search for meaning" so thanks for this trailer/teaser for Frankl's Work. I find your presentations very helpful. Long may you continue.
I asked GPT-3 for the meaning of life excluding 42, and it responded: "The meaning of life is to find the meaning of life"
He's not wrong.
That answer just loops back to the question tho, so it doesn't make sense
@@bottlebeard would the answer be
@@bottlebeard it’s like the hitchhikers guide to galaxy but the system answers “the most important question is asking what is the most Important question “ self loop to infinity :)
The meaning to life is too die
This guy should voice audiobooks
I just thought I'd say thank you for your work. I've been using your channel as reference for what authors' works I should check out/read next. You are really good at summarising. Once again, thank you my guy
The meaning of my life is to do stuff but all this damn stuff is in my way!
My meaning in life is bread sticks
I'm stuff
Yeah and the matrix is lame as fuck . Imagine if everything was fun. We could have that
@@SuperParaNatural haha jonathan
The meaning of life is to clean up the stuff that is in the way of doing the stuff. And then once that stuff is done, one must find more stuff to do, more problems to solve. And then you die. This is as close to a meaningful existence as one could ever ask for.
who else enjoyed the scene where the sketch was playing the piano and closing its eyes? 6:52
The meaning of life is to be the eyes, ears and conscience of the creator of the universe.
Paraphrased from Kurt Vonnegut's Breakfast of Champions...
@-GinPi Gamma thats right. Key detail there. Major theme of the book actually
I feel as if he has had an ego death or has been on psychedelics. I haven't read the book but that exact though came to mind on a powerful acid trip.
Lovely. I like grey sky as it gives me a better sense of hope. I find blue sky oppressive. I often wish I had grey coloured eyes like the grey sky I like. But mine a brown-ish.
over the last couple of years your channel has really shaped the way I think and I just want to thank you. ♥
This man saved my life.
The eternal yes, Zarathustra smiles down from above
Could you elaborate please? Or provide a link to an explanation? Asking genuinely.
@@Abolfazlification read "thus spoke zarathustra"
@@Shrkek Jumping straight into this specific work might be difficult as it is rife with metaphors and connections to ideas elaborated in his other works. Reading some of his other books or honestly watching a few videos on Nietzche's thought would probably be fine, and my god is worth it. Thus Spoke Zarathustra is one of my favorite books of all time and has greatly impacted my outlook on life, for the better.
@@HC-us5pp yeah, zarathustra is not a starting point at all
@@Shrkek best to start with a lecture series on Nietzsche, like Eric Dodson’s lectures
"Unfortunately this led to expulsion from Adler's circle..." Where is the misfortune when such a circle is wrong headed in the first place?
Read his book a month ago, it was chilling and inspiring.
Lsd is good fr someone who doesn't wanna live, you get a phat artifact that points to meaning being present, in and of itself
I say this because I didn't want to live and it was good for me, I do now see that that may not be the case for everyone, and to be the one recommending it to everyone could be controversial
8:26 Love is the only way to grasp another human being in the innermost core of his personality. No one can become fully aware of the very essence of another human being unless he loves him. By his love he is enabled to see the essential traits and features in the beloved person; and even more, he sees that which is potential in him, which is not yet actualized but yet ought to be actualized. Furthermore, by his love, the loving person enables the beloved person to actualize these potentialities. By making him aware of what he can be and of what he should become, he makes these potentialities come true.
Came to the camps for the end of modernity and all I got was meaning to my existence
thank you for posting this
Man this channel has some future, keep going lad
Keep it up man, love the editing styled, background music and the overall vibes of the video
Man's search for meaning is a monumental book that I revisit every few years, I recommend it to everyone!
I always felt that what drives humans is neither pleasure or power
Gosh that final quote is unbelievable
The idea humans are driven by the search for meaning really reminds me of Lacan and "object a", an abstract object we pursue all of our life in order to fill the emptiness in our life
Would love it for you to cover Lacan in the future. Hope you are having a great day!
Don't seek happiness in life, seek meaning.
Nah, I only seek almonds
@@mjolninja9358 juice...my brother......seek JUICE.....
@@Yusa_Beach ketuchp...my sweet child.....seek KEUTCHP.....
This was beautiful. Thank you!
Since humans have been hardwired to survive, it's only logical that meaning and purpose would also evolve as psychological mechanisms that allow us to persevere through the worst of circumstances.
We see this in religion and other forms of dogma that make people see suffering as a vital component of existence with the reward being some sort of blissful afterlife.
Been waiting for a video on Frankl, thank you friend.
Been waiting for this one
Just finished man's search for meaning and you upload this :D
reducing suicide to 0 is a big poggers move
Thank you for all your wonderful and insightful videos, especially this one about such a valuable, insightful, poetic and loving soul Dr Victor Frankl.
One creates ones own meaning in the face of a meaningless existence
I only realized I could choose how I react to things while playing CK3 and having my character have a mental breakdown, and adress it like "There will be time to be insane later"
Just want to say I love what you do. Keep at it if that's what you want to. I'll be here supporting all the way :)
just finished his book, "mans search for meaning" yesterday. Incredible book.
This is amazing, great work man
Only when you're hurting, will you know what you are
9:13 it reminds me of this quote
“While the Goddess of Suffering took me in her arms, often threatening to crush me, my will to resistance grew, and in the end this will was victorious.
I owe it to that period that I grew hard and am still capable of being hard. And even more, I exalt it for tearing me away from the hollowness of comfortable life; for drawing the mother's darling out of his soft downy bed and giving him "Dame Care" for a new mother; for hurling me, despite all resistance, into a world of misery and poverty, thus making me acquainted with those for whom I was later to fight.” - the most hated man of the 21st century
Hitler was 20th century. Are you implying that he is more hated now that then? Or that there was a man more hated in the 20th century
I am inclined to agree with both of them as he wasn't the worst man alive in the 20th and we do hate him more in the 21st century
Life is like a game you can't win
Whats the meaning of playing a game you can never win?
Frankl and Jung are the goats of psychoanalysis. Love it.
Just a friendly comment, nothing to see here....
nothing
"Will to meaning" is nothing but a complex version of the same avoid/approach mechanism in an amoeba.
His book 'Man's Search for Meaning' is one keystone book in the whole of human history.
what are the odds that I started reading "man's search for meaning" the day before this video came out?
Frankel was my mom's favorite philosopher and person from that time, and I didn't even know he was this well known. (In my defense I grew up in a Christian cult)
Babe wake up, sisyphus posted a new video analyzing a specific thought process
idkw but this video is screaming at me saying "your way of dealing with problems is the worst"
Skepticism is well due given how the bias of personal experience is inextricable from what one human being is likely to offer as therapy. Add to that apathy and the motivation of money and there isn't much help available at a reasonable price.
i just finished reading this book a few weeks ago, its sort of insane that you made a video about it almost at the same time.
Find it interesting that there's so many people in here that found a meaning in life yet still watches such a video.
After his quote on pschedelics I got an ad for ketamine and mushroom therapy...
This guy should have more subscribers.
Its good, but I think a key element to really get the hopelessness across, has less to to with the immanent suffering the tormented inmates of Ausschwitz and other KZs went through and actually comes from the idea that there is nowhere to go back to, even if you survive a place worse than hell.
Death is always around the corner, but one thing is certain: outside of Ausschwitz no-one is waiting and your home is gone.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
THE MEANING OF LIFE IS TO SAY YES TO LIFE!
Saying “no” to life, is an other path that life has to propouse? We can say “no” to life?
The meaning of life is that everyone must choose the answer to that question for themselves.
I have read tons of books, yet have found the most meaning in the aptly named "Man's search for meaning."
It took years, lots of videos, lots of books, but I feel like I have solified something within me that hopefully will keep me afloat if Im ever to fall into such horrible circumstances, hopefully keeping a will to live like Mr Frankl has