It’s a lot per figure, especially painted, but I’m just stoked to get new releases. When they do start releasing common squads they’ll have to lower the price point because no way people can afford 65$ per squad.
9 $ per mini unpainted is still really expensive when compared to mini nowadays, not even the prices 20 years ago, even compared to something like GW since the quality is clearly lower. 12 $ per painted mini is more reasonable, but still quite steep. I understand the backlash, gotta admit.
Love the revamp, but it feels a bit like WotC attempt. LoL f.e. (with it's first Board/Tabletop game Mechs vs. Minions) brought the whole package with gorgeous minis (and didn't just copied playtested versions to than make them unnecessarily detailed) for less than 100 bucks. CMoN does. And where is all the former contempt for lay offs etc.? Still admittedly stoked though;o)
My only complaint, and it’s not even complaint but an oddity, I just think it’s weird that there’s 0 terrain in the army expansions. And yet they’re the same price as the Battle box….thats weird right??
Look at Scrooge McDuck and his moneybags over here 😆 great vid, one point of clarification is that Avalon Hill and the War Council designed these to be fully backwards compatible with classic scape a la Iron Lich Viscerot, not Renegade
@@tabletopbro Agreed and they look so much better and don't break like the brittle other water. $30 is a good deal, my only thought is if I get the master set and the battle box, they both come with sparkly water. Would I need the $30 water set? Perhaps do a video breaking this down. :)
As an oldtime fanatic with still an olympic collection sitting in bins, I can't justify the new relases unfortunately. Price being 1 dealbreaker, and its just 2nd or 3rddary to my priorities rn, but I'm still pretty happy to see it and how the figures have that same og kind of style. The lacking depth in character function and design bothers me more these days, but it's still quite cool to see how they unfold unique new ideas. I look forward to watching the progress of the revival, and may still pull the trigger on something someday if I'm drawn in enough.
2:38 for cost you should be comparing their cost per unit or cost per model to other wargames of a similar size not to how much they costed 20th are ago. But I still feel like $9 and $13 per is too steep. Battletech works out to be between $5-9 per mech depending on which pack you get.
Look at the price differential between OG Scape and New Scape and then look at the inflation rate since the release of the OG to now. Though it sucks the price point makes perfect sense.
Their was a misunderstanding on the pronunciation of kyrie? They battle over magic pools that when they drink of them they get certain magic abilities (like summoning beings from all over space and time) and they grow wings. Ironically you say think of them as valkyrie which is easy because that's what they are. The Val is a prefix which indicates they are empowered. So val+kyrie. It wasn't hard you just had to interact with the lore at some point.
People upset about the paint quality were not classic fans. The paint is EXACTLY what Heroscape was, if not a lot better. I still have my old sets. It’s just as good. I can’t believe people are upset we’re actually getting Heroscape again instead of getting nothing like we have been for the last 10 years
The common squads better be 30 bucks a pop tops. No way in hell I’m buying more than two of a common squad if they’re more than 30 bucks a pop. WE NEED DUNGEON TERRAIN AND OUTCROPS ASAP! I have 5 Road to the Forgotten Forest but I’d welcome new woodland trees.😅
I thought it is cool and I do agree the prices are a bit steep. I am not sure what benchmark they are comparing (As if they compare WarHammer I am not sure if that's correct because to me HeroScape is closer to toys than the hobby grade stuffs). I just love that it is again moving and publishing new stuffs. I can wait perhaps and just see how it goes.
I’m so excited it’s back! Yea it’s a bit on the steep side but shouldn’t be too bad. One set a month I guess lol. I know renegade mentioned it would be selling in game store but have they mentioned anything about Walmart or target? Lager chains to sell?
kind of sad we arent seeing more OG characters from the game before but happy they're already sending out some expansions. I think its weird they are offering pre-painted minis. At this day and age pretty much every game requires you to paint unless youre playing basic dnd
I assume the prepainted minis are a response to the community’s outrage 2ish years ago to the lack of prepainted minis. We get to see the return of the classic units like Sgt. Drake Alexander, Raelin, and Sonlen; but for the most part we’re gonna see more original looking figures as Hasbro wanted IPable stuff
People would flip out if they realized what the avg cost of minis from peeps like GW is, and those are unassembled AND unpainted. Anyway look up what zenithal highlight painting is and get some simple contrast or speed paints yall (vallejo and GW offer some good paints), it aint that hard.
@@tabletopbro plenty just got to know where to shop and look around and maybe even buy used . Go to LGS LHS check cons etc . I picked up a game called REIGN for 20$ has 48 miniatures check local thrift stores yard sales ask people if you can buy any games they don't wont any more .
Well i dont think people can complain about the price of the figures, i mean have you seen the price of some of the stuff nowadays. Its like $100 for the spiders alone.
I just bought a pack of 15 Roman’s for only 100$ so it’s hard to buy into the new stuff when I still get good deals on old stuff, if they came out with some decent priced common squads that I can use with my old stuff I’d be much more interested
The new warlord bonds with your Roman’s my dude. Lee (who’s been carrying the company’s good will on her back) says commons are coming once they release the Avalon Hill designed stuff. People theorize the common packs will be cheaper cause people are gonna buy more
@@tabletopbro yea I’m just saying the price is hard to buy into is all I still get better deals on vintage stuff than this new stuff which to me makes no sense especially since I don’t have the full collection of old stuff yet so ima just keep buying old stuff until the price per figure is more worth it to buy new than old
I can't see commons being offered at any point due to the cost alone. Overall, I haven't seen much to be upset about other than over-use of purple and yellow in the palate and the high cost to play. The style of the figures is a stark departure from the original game and we haven't seen a male Kyrie anywhere in the new set which is interesting.
To me this is like the argument over the hard or soft G in GIF. Which is to say, it's not an argument because one side is clearly, inarguably, uncontestably incorrect. The G in GIF is hard because it stands for Graphics, and Kyrie is pronounce "keeree" not "kairee" because it's short for valkyrie. Argument over, thank you and goodnight. =P
i'll be honest, I dont even think its a lot per figure. compare it to any current GW release and see how it measures up price wise. are the GW sculpts better? probably. but to say the price is excessive is just wrong IMO. also the second set that you listed as higher cost per figure, one of those figures is a double sized model, so basically priced as 2 models, making the cost the same as the first set. EDIT: for the people who want the terrain, the terrain pack is great. the water is also an awesome addition. the 3 hex water is actually nice, it will make setup slightly easier. although I might have to do some kind of mark to separate the hexes
I depise assembling and painting minis. I don't mind the prices since I've had to pay more to get others to paint my minis. Not to mention, I don't have to worry about people, I hired to paint them, stealing them. Something that happened to me years ago. I compare it to heroclix. I've spent a lot more per figure for that game. I guess I am just a whale who enjoys Heroscape and is willing to support it.
I'm hyped as hell and will probably buy all of these so enjoy your 36$ my man 😂 Also the water pack is something I desperately wanted for wave 1 so I'm glad to see the sparkle water come back
wait people are complaining cause a painted figure is 4 dollars more than unpainted? if you think you can get better buy them unpainted and find someone to paint for less than four dollars... lol. you can't realistically compare the costs of a toy from 20 years ago to today. completely unreasonable I'm sure you're making a lot more money now than you did then also.
KY-REE sounds better sorry, gonna keep sayin' it that way. ;) Also, nice click bait - "Fans are furious"...Lol, only a few on the Discord are annoyed. Over all I think it's pretty well received. I'm very stoked and already pre-ordered all prepainted stuff
Absolute cap. KEE-REE is superior! Gotta get the clicks somehow and rage sells🤷🏻♂️ Though I did see nothing but complaining on the Heroscapers discord immediately after the announcement. I’m genuinely stoked too and getting myself the prepainted units too!
Very impressive 9 minute advertisement. I wish more UA-camrs with sponsors would just make a stand alone video on the sponsors product, rather than embedding it into a news drama video.
Oh screw off. OP has been consistently covering a game he's passionate about, giving positive and negative coverage. You're going after a regular guy who did his job so well that he succeeded at getting a sponsorship, who probably in the big picture is still working at a loss given how much time goes into making a video. As long as someone is transparent that's all that matters. You're a creator too and should know better
Damn bro who poo poo'd in your cereal? Like @TheRulesLawyerRPG said, I've been consistently covering this game for almost three years and have poo poo'd the direction the developers have gone when I don't agree with it. My hype has always been genuine, even before I stood the chance to make any sort of money from them.
@@tabletopbro I have watched a lot of your videos on Heroscape and enjoyed them for your perspective. I thought the video was very good, but had expected a trick. It still felt more like an advertisement than a review, which is perfectly fine when it has a sponsor to promote. I think what you did is how UA-camrs with a sponsor should promote sponsors products, by making the video topic about the product. You did that and my second sentence was not directed at you. Many UA-camrs who use scandal or drama topics to get an audience to watch unrelated sponsor advertisements built into the video are frustrating to watch.
It’s a lot per figure, especially painted, but I’m just stoked to get new releases. When they do start releasing common squads they’ll have to lower the price point because no way people can afford 65$ per squad.
The theory amongst the fans is the uniques are more expensive cause you’ll only buy them once
@@tabletopbro They probably are also indexing off other mini games and that's a mixed indicator.
good luck finding a painted mini that isn't garbage paint for those prices anywhere.
Saying this stuff is cheaper than war hammer is setting a low bar. Gold bullion is cheaper than Warhammer.
9 $ per mini unpainted is still really expensive when compared to mini nowadays, not even the prices 20 years ago, even compared to something like GW since the quality is clearly lower. 12 $ per painted mini is more reasonable, but still quite steep. I understand the backlash, gotta admit.
Love the revamp, but it feels a bit like WotC attempt. LoL f.e. (with it's first Board/Tabletop game Mechs vs. Minions) brought the whole package with gorgeous minis (and didn't just copied playtested versions to than make them unnecessarily detailed) for less than 100 bucks. CMoN does. And where is all the former contempt for lay offs etc.?
Still admittedly stoked though;o)
I’m just glad heroscape is back .
Definitely hyped. no butthurt here. 😂
Hell yeah!
My only complaint, and it’s not even complaint but an oddity, I just think it’s weird that there’s 0 terrain in the army expansions. And yet they’re the same price as the Battle box….thats weird right??
That’s p weird
Look at Scrooge McDuck and his moneybags over here 😆 great vid, one point of clarification is that Avalon Hill and the War Council designed these to be fully backwards compatible with classic scape a la Iron Lich Viscerot, not Renegade
Get out of here you hater! :)
Potato potahto
As an X-Wing refugee, $13 per painted figure sounds like a steal. Be thankful for what you have! 😅
I have never seen someone so excited about SPARKLEY WATER!?!?!? No fandom hates a fandom more than its fans. Thanks for making videos to entertain us.
You don’t get it man the sparkly water tiles look soooooo much better!
Thanks for watching the stuff!
@@tabletopbro Agreed and they look so much better and don't break like the brittle other water. $30 is a good deal, my only thought is if I get the master set and the battle box, they both come with sparkly water. Would I need the $30 water set? Perhaps do a video breaking this down. :)
As an oldtime fanatic with still an olympic collection sitting in bins, I can't justify the new relases unfortunately. Price being 1 dealbreaker, and its just 2nd or 3rddary to my priorities rn, but I'm still pretty happy to see it and how the figures have that same og kind of style. The lacking depth in character function and design bothers me more these days, but it's still quite cool to see how they unfold unique new ideas. I look forward to watching the progress of the revival, and may still pull the trigger on something someday if I'm drawn in enough.
People upset at these prices would have an aneurysm if they looked at 40k
$50 for 10 unpainted unbuilt space marines is a steal wym
(I actually enjoy building the figures)
@@tabletopbro They're up to $63 now for a box of Intercessors on the GW site, haha. But so help me, I enjoy building, painting, and playing.
sign me up to the angry nerd community plz
(those prices are a bit ouch)
Well you know far more about war game prices than me so I’ll trust your judgement!
2:38 for cost you should be comparing their cost per unit or cost per model to other wargames of a similar size not to how much they costed 20th are ago. But I still feel like $9 and $13 per is too steep. Battletech works out to be between $5-9 per mech depending on which pack you get.
I dunno enough about Battletech to have an intelligent response🤷🏻♂️
I compare to how much the old stuff costs now and it’s about par for the course
8-12 for an unpainted mini sounds about right . Battletech players sometimes use ‘scape Terrain.
Look at the price differential between OG Scape and New Scape and then look at the inflation rate since the release of the OG to now. Though it sucks the price point makes perfect sense.
100%. Also the original run went out of print because they didn’t sell enough volume to make it worth Hasbro’s time/money
Their was a misunderstanding on the pronunciation of kyrie? They battle over magic pools that when they drink of them they get certain magic abilities (like summoning beings from all over space and time) and they grow wings.
Ironically you say think of them as valkyrie which is easy because that's what they are. The Val is a prefix which indicates they are empowered.
So val+kyrie. It wasn't hard you just had to interact with the lore at some point.
"Things cost more money" - BOOO! HiSSSS!
"Still cheaper than Warhammer" - .... OK. You got me.
I disagree with anyone who says more water is unnecessary, my old water tiles are the most brittle out of all my hexes
People upset about the paint quality were not classic fans. The paint is EXACTLY what Heroscape was, if not a lot better. I still have my old sets. It’s just as good. I can’t believe people are upset we’re actually getting Heroscape again instead of getting nothing like we have been for the last 10 years
Something something it says premium something something expensive
(Those are the arguments the folks complaining make)
The common squads better be 30 bucks a pop tops. No way in hell I’m buying more than two of a common squad if they’re more than 30 bucks a pop.
WE NEED DUNGEON TERRAIN AND OUTCROPS ASAP!
I have 5 Road to the Forgotten Forest but I’d welcome new woodland trees.😅
I thought it is cool and I do agree the prices are a bit steep. I am not sure what benchmark they are comparing (As if they compare WarHammer I am not sure if that's correct because to me HeroScape is closer to toys than the hobby grade stuffs). I just love that it is again moving and publishing new stuffs. I can wait perhaps and just see how it goes.
What's the mic and camera you use? Those are nice. Thanks
Shure MV7 is the mic, Canon 90d with the kit lens is the camera
I’m so excited it’s back! Yea it’s a bit on the steep side but shouldn’t be too bad. One set a month I guess lol. I know renegade mentioned it would be selling in game store but have they mentioned anything about Walmart or target? Lager chains to sell?
Probably not big box retailers🤷♂️
kind of sad we arent seeing more OG characters from the game before but happy they're already sending out some expansions. I think its weird they are offering pre-painted minis. At this day and age pretty much every game requires you to paint unless youre playing basic dnd
I assume the prepainted minis are a response to the community’s outrage 2ish years ago to the lack of prepainted minis.
We get to see the return of the classic units like Sgt. Drake Alexander, Raelin, and Sonlen; but for the most part we’re gonna see more original looking figures as Hasbro wanted IPable stuff
People would flip out if they realized what the avg cost of minis from peeps like GW is, and those are unassembled AND unpainted.
Anyway look up what zenithal highlight painting is and get some simple contrast or speed paints yall (vallejo and GW offer some good paints), it aint that hard.
Those prices are pretty standard for mini games these days.
Marvel Crisis Protocol can be as much as $20 per figure, low is still $11.
No office anything over $5 a fig is too high just saying
Any war games you know of that have figures for $5 a fig or less?
@@tabletopbro plenty just got to know where to shop and look around and maybe even buy used . Go to LGS LHS check cons etc . I picked up a game called REIGN for 20$ has 48 miniatures check local thrift stores yard sales ask people if you can buy any games they don't wont any more .
The prices are fine. People who dont play miniatures games, don't know how they are priced.
People want Heroscape in 2024, they need to accept the financial implications of prepainted miniatures in a 2024 economy
Elegantly said
“That’s $9 per figure unpainted and $13 prepainted” glances at $35 cadre fireblade model unbuilt and unpainted on my hobby shelf.
$13 per figure wouldn't be bad if I was buying them one at a time.
Well i dont think people can complain about the price of the figures, i mean have you seen the price of some of the stuff nowadays. Its like $100 for the spiders alone.
The meta figures are easily just as, if not more, expensive
Ya so i think the prices are pretty fair, i just love this game so :D. Also, You're the first UA-camr to respond to me, thanks.
@@b.orwoll6808I’m just some dude🤷🏻♂️
I just bought a pack of 15 Roman’s for only 100$ so it’s hard to buy into the new stuff when I still get good deals on old stuff, if they came out with some decent priced common squads that I can use with my old stuff I’d be much more interested
The new warlord bonds with your Roman’s my dude.
Lee (who’s been carrying the company’s good will on her back) says commons are coming once they release the Avalon Hill designed stuff. People theorize the common packs will be cheaper cause people are gonna buy more
@@tabletopbro yea I’m just saying the price is hard to buy into is all I still get better deals on vintage stuff than this new stuff which to me makes no sense especially since I don’t have the full collection of old stuff yet so ima just keep buying old stuff until the price per figure is more worth it to buy new than old
I can't see commons being offered at any point due to the cost alone. Overall, I haven't seen much to be upset about other than over-use of purple and yellow in the palate and the high cost to play. The style of the figures is a stark departure from the original game and we haven't seen a male Kyrie anywhere in the new set which is interesting.
The prevailing theory is commons will be cheaper and the uniques are more expensive cause you only buy them once
I suppose price is high, but thats what youre going to pay on the secondary market
I feel like the butthurt fans are very vocal, but not the majority. Overall pretty solid offerings. Toys will always be too expensive 😅.
100%. My theory is most of them don’t even play
@@tabletopbro or they play too much 😄
@@crowchant9917 if they played too much they wouldn’t have time to bitch😂
I’m just happy the game is back. I pay a crazy price for warhammer and I just hobby paint … heroscape is a game you can play and not read a huge book
Dude YES! It’s so much more accessible than Warhammer (I’ve tried playing AoS and 40k) and you can get your friends playing day of
I looked up the pronunciation of Kyrie and it’s like 50/50
To me this is like the argument over the hard or soft G in GIF. Which is to say, it's not an argument because one side is clearly, inarguably, uncontestably incorrect. The G in GIF is hard because it stands for Graphics, and Kyrie is pronounce "keeree" not "kairee" because it's short for valkyrie.
Argument over, thank you and goodnight. =P
@@NevTheDeranged but tons of people say valkighree
@@ckclau3422 Sure, "kiree" is closer to correct, I was trying to keep it simple. Just not the hard Y.
The editing on your videos is fantastic
Thanks! I work hard on it
The World of Warcraft music in your video got me tweakin
I’m so hype for the War Within
i'll be honest, I dont even think its a lot per figure. compare it to any current GW release and see how it measures up price wise. are the GW sculpts better? probably. but to say the price is excessive is just wrong IMO. also the second set that you listed as higher cost per figure, one of those figures is a double sized model, so basically priced as 2 models, making the cost the same as the first set.
EDIT: for the people who want the terrain, the terrain pack is great. the water is also an awesome addition. the 3 hex water is actually nice, it will make setup slightly easier. although I might have to do some kind of mark to separate the hexes
Noooooo they’re just greedy and price gouging and want to see this IP DIE!!!!!!
/s
I depise assembling and painting minis. I don't mind the prices since I've had to pay more to get others to paint my minis.
Not to mention, I don't have to worry about people, I hired to paint them, stealing them. Something that happened to me years ago.
I compare it to heroclix. I've spent a lot more per figure for that game.
I guess I am just a whale who enjoys Heroscape and is willing to support it.
God forbid somebody be pleased with their offering
>AI ""art""
Very cool minis, can't wait for the core set.
August!
Ay
Sort of independent *shows PR*
I'm hyped as hell and will probably buy all of these so enjoy your 36$ my man 😂
Also the water pack is something I desperately wanted for wave 1 so I'm glad to see the sparkle water come back
I appreciate your business. The $13 I received in commission from your purchase will go towards THOSE SICK ASS SPARKLY WATER TILES LETS GOOOOO
Im still hyped
This aged badly
All my videos do
You are many things but "normie" is *not* one of them. Love the video, as always.
Thanks DS!
Is it sparkly water!?!?!?
Youre god damn right
I am not mad at Renegade, but my wallet is mad at me.
I feel that lmao
Renegade can keep all their heroscape stuff. I won't be buying it
Ok. I will
Pricing if fine. Go buy it
wait people are complaining cause a painted figure is 4 dollars more than unpainted?
if you think you can get better buy them unpainted and find someone to paint for less than four dollars... lol.
you can't realistically compare the costs of a toy from 20 years ago to today. completely unreasonable I'm sure you're making a lot more money now than you did then also.
BUT TWENTY YEARS AGO YOU COULD GET EXPANSION PACKS FOR $8 WHAT DO YOU MEAN TIMES CHANGE???
/s
KY-REE sounds better sorry, gonna keep sayin' it that way. ;) Also, nice click bait - "Fans are furious"...Lol, only a few on the Discord are annoyed. Over all I think it's pretty well received. I'm very stoked and already pre-ordered all prepainted stuff
Absolute cap. KEE-REE is superior!
Gotta get the clicks somehow and rage sells🤷🏻♂️ Though I did see nothing but complaining on the Heroscapers discord immediately after the announcement.
I’m genuinely stoked too and getting myself the prepainted units too!
Welcome to games workshop pricing,
Freaking forreal
LETS GO
Thanks for the great description of lich lord what’s his name (I’m responding on mobile don’t sue me)
We need to normalize the name
Ew ai
It'll get cheaper when it doesn't sell
Very impressive 9 minute advertisement. I wish more UA-camrs with sponsors would just make a stand alone video on the sponsors product, rather than embedding it into a news drama video.
Oh screw off. OP has been consistently covering a game he's passionate about, giving positive and negative coverage. You're going after a regular guy who did his job so well that he succeeded at getting a sponsorship, who probably in the big picture is still working at a loss given how much time goes into making a video. As long as someone is transparent that's all that matters. You're a creator too and should know better
Damn bro who poo poo'd in your cereal?
Like @TheRulesLawyerRPG said, I've been consistently covering this game for almost three years and have poo poo'd the direction the developers have gone when I don't agree with it. My hype has always been genuine, even before I stood the chance to make any sort of money from them.
@@tabletopbro I have watched a lot of your videos on Heroscape and enjoyed them for your perspective. I thought the video was very good, but had expected a trick. It still felt more like an advertisement than a review, which is perfectly fine when it has a sponsor to promote. I think what you did is how UA-camrs with a sponsor should promote sponsors products, by making the video topic about the product. You did that and my second sentence was not directed at you. Many UA-camrs who use scandal or drama topics to get an audience to watch unrelated sponsor advertisements built into the video are frustrating to watch.