As a teenager I had an other, worse serve problem. As opposed to groundstrokes, I didn't "feel" the target when serving. It felt numb. I was barely able to hit the left or right field, not to speak of targets within that field. I was desperate. I trained endless hours with the only result that I hurt my shoulder but didn't fix the problem. I asked my trainers for help, but they were clueless. Serving in a match was horrific for me. Two double faults or more per game was normal. Then I found the solution. I had to relearn my serve from ground up. I started with serving from 2 meters behind the net. Once I felt confident, I stepped back on meter. Repeat. And again, until I finally arrived at the baseline. Finally I developed a feel for the serve.
The only instruction that earnestly reveals the golden tip essential for popping a right serve. Thank you so very much. So lucky to come across to your perfect demonstration. I eventually made it.
This was the best tennis coaching video I’ve seen yet. Thorough, real advice, shown in detail and also repeated enough to get it. So many other videos are too short and just skip over details. Very good, a subscriber!!
I greatly appreciate your instruction in this video. I was doing exactly what you said: blowing my serve in matches and then practicing the same faulty stuff over and over. I was extremely frustrated. The Cam Newton Throwing Position changed everything. YAY!!!
I have to admit that I learned something. At first I thought he was, “Wackadoodle holding almost, ‘side armed’ - I was wondering, “How the hell is this guy going to get into full, proper, position”? LOL I heard of copying a football quarterback for full shoulder rotation, but not EVER for when a quarterback is, “charging up” the ball for storing Kinetic Energy. I really did learn something new. AWESOME!!
You have a great way to explain the mechanics of tennis in a positive and easy to understand way. I am just getting back to tennis after 18 years away and want to develop good habits so that tennis is enjoyable again, ie, I dont get embarrassed all the time.
Nice. So easy to hit alot of serves and feel like you had a good practice but your emphasis on focusing in on hitting good shots makes the difference here. Thanks!
Great video. I’m a very active 65 yr young tennis player/surfer trying to step up my serve after some layoff time. I really like the breakdown and analogy of “power leaks”. I’m not a mechanical player and your description of the service fundamentals seems very doable. Great job.
Well, it's now 2022 and I hope you are now a still very active 67 year old tennis player/surfer! Have you been doing this practice routine and if so, have you improved? I'm an active 54 year old and am looking to improve my stagnating tennis here in Aussie Land. Cheers mate - Dave
Basketball analogy... I usually say, to match yours, stop and go is loose shots from inside the paint. Lazy jump is free throws. Power house serve is modern jump shot from inside the three point line...and three pointer jump shot is a power house serve with extra leg power. I played basketball all my life (well since 14) and I use it as side training for footwork. Had to have input with your analogy...lol. Great video.
I've been watching so many videos on how to increase my serve power. I think this might bring me closer to that big serve. I have always been weak throwing a ball, but if I lead with the core driving the shoulder and then the elbow, and finally pronate with the throw, maybe I can do this.
I think the crucial point is that reps aren't enough - you have to practice with intention, focusing on improving specific aspects of your form. It's mentally taxing, but ultimately far more efficient.
I really enjoyed this ideo. I learned a lot that I will put into practice at my next court time. However, I don’t bring my feet together when I serve. How can I make that transition?
Cant thank you enough for this video. I have always been plagued by timing of my leg drive on the serve. The stop and go technique has resolved that problem almost instantaneously. Now all i do is toss the ball , bend my knees until the peak and mentally shout GO... and thats it ! The rest of the biomechanics of the hand, the racket drop , the oblique muscle bend into the court , shoulder over shoulder all takes care of itself as if by magic.. Thanks so much , cheers :)
glad you have also done a lot of platform stance serve videos as it is confusing to know how your bodyweight needs to be positioned from watching a pinpont serve other than beginning where you only moved toe
This is a very impressive serve practice routine. I’ve been trying to retool my serve for the past four years, after suffering a shoulder injury, without much success. I’d accepted that my match play days were over. Now I’m excited to at least try these tips to see if they help. Thanks.
Hi Gomez - are you still playing? Hope that shoulder is working for you. I'm also retooling my serve after a rotator cuff injury sustained 10 years ago (from over-serving of course). A big part of a more shoulder-friendly serve is to be sure to hit the ball in front. I'd been working too hard with a kicker and taking the ball behind the shoulder line. Cheers from Sydney - Dave
At 1:00 min you make reference to the top players hitting 60 to 90% first serves. Mats Wilander in his 1988 French Open Final win over Henri Leconte averaged 97% first serves. In the final set he hit 100% first serves!
Thanks and respect from the Netherlands. I played tennis 18 years ago and I'm starting now again. I'm 6ft9 and I think that is an advantage. My service is just fucked up because I play hard but they end up way out.
This is one of the best I learned from your online lessons year after year. I already mastered the one handed backhand skill which is very hard, and I hope I will advance my serve technique to the next level, at least almost like a pro. Thx very much.
Awesome Pete ! Love all parts of your game. during your serve I paused the video and that each time your serving arm was perfectly straight after the toss. Bravo from a fellow lefty.
Hello really good on how to get power. Have you ever chopped wood when you have a thick logg try to make your self heavy from the ground then downward. Think of how a kids make themself heavy not to be lifted. Then all is timing. Thanks for free lesson
what missing here is the TECHNIQUE of the toss. Not the placement but the way you lock your arm, where exactly do you place a ball in your hand etc. Without consistent toss the rest of the lesson is not really important, cause you gonna screw it anyway. I saw a video where a guy explained that your arm should be locked, the ball placed exactly in the center of palm of your hand, you shouldn't use wrist or fingers to throw it (fingers are only to stabilize it in your hand). The less moving parts involved the better and more consistent toss.Wonder what do you think about these advice.
Excellent stuff!! Extremely plain in the explanation. Can I add something I have noticed ALOT about the 3.5 serve? It's what I call the "Flamingo" serve (you know, like the bird in Florida?:) Many 3.5 servers pick their back foot completely off the ground as they move forward thru the serving motion. Obvious problems here: losing balance and power due to a lack of a solid base as they push off. Would you care to comment on this? I am just a high school coach, but I have noticed this flaw repeatedly. I tell my players that, if we don't break this habit, I will make them wear orange to practice with a contoured beak. Flamingo bird!!! Thank you. Mitch Long
yes this is the best serve drill from the trophy, so glad he discusses not going into racket too early, wait that split second, that was just one of my problems, relaxing with that ball in the air is still a problem as my swing not nearly as relaxed as shadow swing but getting better, until form is really solid definitely need to not worry about speed as it tightens me up trying to swing too hard. Leading with elbow is a bitch!
Wow!! Wow yes this is what I was definitely searching for. I will be trying this in 2 days, to aim for a consistent serve and ball toss. I have endlessly gone out to the court for two hours everyday trying to practice my serve but at times I do lose that feeling when it’s just right (I think you might know what I’m talking about) and then I get frustrated. I will be trying this in steps to hopefully recover my serve and be consistent! Thank you great video
Great tips, especially breaking down the warmup session leading up to real serve drill! BTW your link to bonus training does not have any video link...(Safari browser)
Excellent framework to practice your serve, you have a nice system, and your service motion is great, better than 99% of the players out there. Ignore the trolls and the haters Coach Pete, you are one of the best online coaches, you have great passion for the game and always willing to learn new techniques, improve your game and your coaching, and share it with us.
Simple explanation, that's what we club players need, a simple step by step explanation, plus a whole underestanding on the importance of warm up the arm and brain
GREAT VID, master! I guess that "warming up (stretching)" the muscles before serving would be better if it was made dynamically... That stretching showed for the forearm (holding hands up and low with the other hand with arm extended forward) is more effective if you hold all the fingers, including the thumb, if for any reason you choose the static stretching. That movement with wide open arms and making small circles with hands to "activate" shoulders are just GREAT before serving. Gonna use it on my classes!!! Holding up the stick while practicing the toss is JUST PERFECT!!! The tip of the year!!! Sorry for my bad English... Thanks for sharing your knowledge...
skip the so called warm up part. As a med school student I can assure you that you don't have to "losen" your synovial fluid nor is stretching a way of warming up. It's actually preventing maximum performance. Warming up by joggin / moving body parts though is a good idea.
Interesting. Interesting because another point that should be made is though throwing & striking/hitting bear many resemblances, in reality they are actually vastly different. You don't want to go into serving thinking about throwing motions.
For Serena & Venus, it was their father who made them do that when they lived in the ghetto of Compton, California, & didn’t have access to a tennis court. At very best, it would have gave them *some* idea about what a serving motion *might* feel like. They did not learn to serve with throwing practise. You do not learn to strike by throwing. The point is absurd.
@@Tennis_MenACE That's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but you are wrong. I played tournament tennis for years and when I had a coach that made me hit the fence with a throw, my serve got better
Ya & that’s not unheard of at all. You take any recreational player off the street & give them throwing exercises to do & nine times out of ten they’d probably improve somewhat. State of the game I guess... Striking & throwing look the same, & the way in which you use your body to send the ball on its way is also the same. But, the way the ball is actually propelled, or released, is one hundred percent totally different. This is not my opinion. These are the facts. I’m just reciting them. This is the science behind what works best, & what could not even be considered ball striking in the first place.
Sir you are GOD'S SEND in every way , in character , integrity , ability , decency, humanity , humility , and may God bless your parents , who through the Power of God took the time and patience to bring you up with such dignity. Son let them know . Go say thank you Mama , thank you Daddy or whoever was your upbringing influence, and most of all say thank you GOD.
So... I practiced serving like 1 hour today and I had all these flaws tomorrow I’ll be back out there and I’m gonna do some of these practices thanks for the help
Great video Peter! Would you say the toe moves before or the same time racket drop begins as I believe my problem is two fold, like you mentioned I dont wait when I toss, and I swing off back foot being too flat which also is a disaster, working on getting off that back foot just dont want to do it too early either. I watch serve videos with a platform stance where they talk about body weight goin forward while tossing, my swing feels rushed. I brought up a lot any input would help.
As a teenager I had an other, worse serve problem. As opposed to groundstrokes, I didn't "feel" the target when serving. It felt numb. I was barely able to hit the left or right field, not to speak of targets within that field. I was desperate. I trained endless hours with the only result that I hurt my shoulder but didn't fix the problem. I asked my trainers for help, but they were clueless. Serving in a match was horrific for me. Two double faults or more per game was normal.
Then I found the solution. I had to relearn my serve from ground up. I started with serving from 2 meters behind the net. Once I felt confident, I stepped back on meter. Repeat. And again, until I finally arrived at the baseline. Finally I developed a feel for the serve.
2:41 Warmup
6:40 Stop and pop
9:33 Go and toe
10:00 Baseball pitcher finish
11:09 The lazy jump
13:20 Powerhouse serving
15:04 Target practice
This helps thanks
Helped a lot. Thx.
This is the best video I've ever seen for people with service problems; very simple, logical and helpful.
the fact that you knocked over basket of balls for this videos shows your dedication. respect!
😂😂😂
Good methodology! Thank you 🙏🎾
The only instruction that earnestly reveals the golden tip essential for popping a right serve.
Thank you so very much.
So lucky to come across to your perfect demonstration.
I eventually made it.
This was the best tennis coaching video I’ve seen yet. Thorough, real advice, shown in detail and also repeated enough to get it. So many other videos are too short and just skip over details. Very good, a subscriber!!
yeah!!! awesome thanks...lots more great videos to come
Awesome! Simply the greatest lesson I've seen on the serve!
Wonderful video on serve. One can't find anything better, within or without UA-cam. Thanks a million!
Enjoy watching your perfect serve practice. Very good instructions for good practice habit.
OMG, Stop and Pop worked so well for me. Thank you!!
I greatly appreciate your instruction in this video. I was doing exactly what you said: blowing my serve in matches and then practicing the same faulty stuff over and over. I was extremely frustrated. The Cam Newton Throwing Position changed everything. YAY!!!
I have to admit that I learned something. At first I thought he was, “Wackadoodle holding almost, ‘side armed’ - I was wondering, “How the hell is this guy going to get into full, proper, position”? LOL
I heard of copying a football quarterback for full shoulder rotation, but not EVER for when a quarterback is, “charging up” the ball for storing Kinetic Energy. I really did learn something new.
AWESOME!!
As a certified instuctor I agree with this lesson. I love your energy. LOL I wish I had it.
I believe this is the most effective way of practicing the server. Thanks for creating such a great video. Great work!
thanks so much!
You have a great way to explain the mechanics of tennis in a positive and easy to understand way. I am just getting back to tennis after 18 years away and want to develop good habits so that tennis is enjoyable again, ie, I dont get embarrassed all the time.
Nice. So easy to hit alot of serves and feel like you had a good practice but your emphasis on focusing in on hitting good shots makes the difference here. Thanks!
excellent tip on the 'Toes..go'! this is the answer for the rhythm to connect between the toss and strike the ball!! bravo..bravo..
Great video. I’m a very active 65 yr young tennis player/surfer trying to step up my serve after some layoff time. I really like the breakdown and analogy of “power leaks”. I’m not a mechanical player and your description of the service fundamentals seems very doable. Great job.
Well, it's now 2022 and I hope you are now a still very active 67 year old tennis player/surfer! Have you been doing this practice routine and if so, have you improved? I'm an active 54 year old and am looking to improve my stagnating tennis here in Aussie Land. Cheers mate - Dave
Basketball analogy...
I usually say, to match yours, stop and go is loose shots from inside the paint. Lazy jump is free throws. Power house serve is modern jump shot from inside the three point line...and three pointer jump shot is a power house serve with extra leg power.
I played basketball all my life (well since 14) and I use it as side training for footwork. Had to have input with your analogy...lol. Great video.
I've been watching so many videos on how to increase my serve power. I think this might bring me closer to that big serve. I have always been weak throwing a ball, but if I lead with the core driving the shoulder and then the elbow, and finally pronate with the throw, maybe I can do this.
you can do it Jeff
I think the crucial point is that reps aren't enough - you have to practice with intention, focusing on improving specific aspects of your form. It's mentally taxing, but ultimately far more efficient.
"Practice doesn't make perfect. Perfect practice makes perfect". V. Lombardi (probably)
Thanks for the video. I have learned a lot. I wonder what the photo on your tshirt means
I really enjoyed this ideo. I learned a lot that I will put into practice at my next court time. However, I don’t bring my feet together when I serve. How can I make that transition?
Cant thank you enough for this video. I have always been plagued by timing of my leg drive on the serve. The stop and go technique has resolved that problem almost instantaneously. Now all i do is toss the ball , bend my knees until the peak and mentally shout GO... and thats it ! The rest of the biomechanics of the hand, the racket drop , the oblique muscle bend into the court , shoulder over shoulder all takes care of itself as if by magic.. Thanks so much , cheers :)
fantastic news...makes my day :)
Loved this video. So many things I can Immediately work on. I’m thinking I need less fun matches and more workout drills!
"You don't get better at tennis by playing. You get better by practicing." -- Vic Braden (RIP)
@@brucestrickland8561 I agree. Play tennis with the intent to do it right and practice it with a purpose and you cant go wrong in your growth.
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glad you have also done a lot of platform stance serve videos as it is confusing to know how your bodyweight needs to be positioned from watching a pinpont serve other than beginning where you only moved toe
This is a very impressive serve practice routine. I’ve been trying to retool my serve for the past four years, after suffering a shoulder injury, without much success. I’d accepted that my match play days were over. Now I’m excited to at least try these tips to see if they help. Thanks.
thanks so much let me know how it went...
Hi Gomez - are you still playing? Hope that shoulder is working for you. I'm also retooling my serve after a rotator cuff injury sustained 10 years ago (from over-serving of course). A big part of a more shoulder-friendly serve is to be sure to hit the ball in front. I'd been working too hard with a kicker and taking the ball behind the shoulder line. Cheers from Sydney - Dave
i snap a little late too. its a bad habit. played for 24 years now and it is taking me a long time to break my habit. thanks for video
Excellent tuition.
I feel bad for his students who would be picking up balls from the ground 😂 1:59
Nice video Pete !
Great video! Thanks for putting it out there.
Ahh.. elbow position!! Never realized. Thank you !!
you are welcome
Wow, awesome tips, Pete! Thanks for sharing this serving practice framework.
At 1:00 min you make reference to the top players hitting 60 to 90% first serves. Mats Wilander in his 1988 French Open Final win over Henri Leconte averaged 97% first serves. In the final set he hit 100% first serves!
Remembering the previous serves and adjusting to these serves as you continue is great knowledge to carry into your service games. I might try it!!
I love your serve. If mine was close to that one, I would be such a great player.
Time to work.
You can do it!
Awesome video!. One of the best explanations that I saw in my life. Thanks!.
Thanks and respect from the Netherlands. I played tennis 18 years ago and I'm starting now again. I'm 6ft9 and I think that is an advantage. My service is just fucked up because I play hard but they end up way out.
Awesome video! Thanks much for your time
Good stuff, thank you!
This is one of the best I learned from your online lessons year after year. I already mastered the one handed backhand skill which is very hard, and I hope I will advance my serve technique to the next level, at least almost like a pro. Thx very much.
2.08 You spent a Lot of time To Take The balls And put in order in The basket..howewer You comunicate a Lot of Power with your words. .Very impressive
Awesome Pete ! Love all parts of your game. during your serve I paused the video and that each time your serving arm was perfectly straight after the toss. Bravo from a fellow lefty.
Good lesson
Thanks Coach 🎾
Fantastic tipd
Super helpful to see the slow-mow steps of this serve. Can't wait to put some time in trying to replicate it or at least the main principles ; )
Thank you so much!! Can’t wait to take it to the next level
Thanks for the vid
Thanks for sharing! 🎉🎾
This is great. Wish you were in Sydney!
I agree, but as a non American I've little idea about the analogies to baseball, grid iron etc.
Nice coaching sir ji
Thanks Pete, I'm going to try this today.
cool let me know how it goes
Hello really good on how to get power. Have you ever chopped wood when you have a thick logg try to make your self heavy from the ground then downward. Think of how a kids make themself heavy not to be lifted. Then all is timing. Thanks for free lesson
Thank you!!! Great to see another leftie serve;)
Just finding this in July 2024. Can't throw the ball much past the opposite service line. Perhaps, that's part of my serve problems.
Best clip. Very precise. Excellent coaching. It gives a lot by introducing a simple and very effective methodology. Great work coach
thanks nazir
@@peterfreeman9969 speach was very clear
Great lesson...Really valuable! I really like the way you break things down into learnable and repeatable steps.
thanks I hope it works for you
@@PeterFreemantennis This is awesome for being that you are a lefty!
any drills for the way you hold the racquet/ wrist rotation?
the bad habit thing you said reminds me of my coach says ‘practice makes permament’
what missing here is the TECHNIQUE of the toss. Not the placement but the way you lock your arm, where exactly do you place a ball in your hand etc. Without consistent toss the rest of the lesson is not really important, cause you gonna screw it anyway. I saw a video where a guy explained that your arm should be locked, the ball placed exactly in the center of palm of your hand, you shouldn't use wrist or fingers to throw it (fingers are only to stabilize it in your hand). The less moving parts involved the better and more consistent toss.Wonder what do you think about these advice.
Last serve is my goal...what a serve!
Love you man you are amazing ,keep it up
Excellent stuff!! Extremely plain in the explanation. Can I add something I have noticed ALOT about the 3.5 serve? It's what I call the "Flamingo" serve (you know, like the bird in Florida?:) Many 3.5 servers pick their back foot completely off the ground as they move forward thru the serving motion. Obvious problems here: losing balance and power due to a lack of a solid base as they push off. Would you care to comment on this? I am just a high school coach, but I have noticed this flaw repeatedly. I tell my players that, if we don't break this habit, I will make them wear orange to practice with a contoured beak. Flamingo bird!!! Thank you. Mitch Long
Thanks for the vid. Aren't static stretches bad during warm up?
Great vid!
For how long should I practice each "step"?
Thanks!
Until u Get good! Wtf
Never have I seen such a great video for service
yes this is the best serve drill from the trophy, so glad he discusses not going into racket too early, wait that split second, that was just one of my problems, relaxing with that ball in the air is still a problem as my swing not nearly as relaxed as shadow swing but getting better, until form is really solid definitely need to not worry about speed as it tightens me up trying to swing too hard. Leading with elbow is a bitch!
Fantastic
Wow!! Wow yes this is what I was definitely searching for. I will be trying this in 2 days, to aim for a consistent serve and ball toss. I have endlessly gone out to the court for two hours everyday trying to practice my serve but at times I do lose that feeling when it’s just right (I think you might know what I’m talking about) and then I get frustrated. I will be trying this in steps to hopefully recover my serve and be consistent! Thank you great video
cool glad you are excited...good luck
Good stuff!!
Nice Explanation(s) ..........Great Job !!!
Will try this routine for sure!! TY!
Great tips, especially breaking down the warmup session leading up to real serve drill! BTW your link to bonus training does not have any video link...(Safari browser)
Is it ok to practice with really old balls or is it better to get newer ones?
New
So if you're just long, it means the snap is late, but if you're hitting the top of the net, it means the snap is too soon?
Great coach, thank you so much!
thanks Ivan
The Turkish Nightmare coaching method is good. Does it contain a stimulant?
Took me a fat minute to realize he’s left handed
Go and toe!!! I feel I can do the serve now
Fascinating!
Great video!
Excellent framework to practice your serve, you have a nice system, and your service motion is great, better than 99% of the players out there. Ignore the trolls and the haters Coach Pete, you are one of the best online coaches, you have great passion for the game and always willing to learn new techniques, improve your game and your coaching, and share it with us.
Simple explanation, that's what we club players need, a simple step by step explanation, plus a whole underestanding on the importance of warm up the arm and brain
GREAT VID, master!
I guess that "warming up (stretching)" the muscles before serving would be better if it was made dynamically...
That stretching showed for the forearm (holding hands up and low with the other hand with arm extended forward) is more effective if you hold all the fingers, including the thumb, if for any reason you choose the static stretching.
That movement with wide open arms and making small circles with hands to "activate" shoulders are just GREAT before serving. Gonna use it on my classes!!!
Holding up the stick while practicing the toss is JUST PERFECT!!! The tip of the year!!!
Sorry for my bad English...
Thanks for sharing your knowledge...
thanks Andre
This is fantastic. Wish this guy was't left handed :)
do you give private lesson?
skip the so called warm up part. As a med school student I can assure you that you don't have to "losen" your synovial fluid nor is stretching a way of warming up. It's actually preventing maximum performance. Warming up by joggin / moving body parts though is a good idea.
Interesting. Interesting because another point that should be made is though throwing & striking/hitting bear many resemblances, in reality they are actually vastly different.
You don't want to go into serving thinking about throwing motions.
@@Tennis_MenACE The William sisters learned the serve by practicing throwing!
For Serena & Venus, it was their father who made them do that when they lived in the ghetto of Compton, California, & didn’t have access to a tennis court.
At very best, it would have gave them *some* idea about what a serving motion *might* feel like.
They did not learn to serve with throwing practise.
You do not learn to strike by throwing.
The point is absurd.
@@Tennis_MenACE That's your opinion and you are entitled to it, but you are wrong. I played tournament tennis for years and when I had a coach that made me hit the fence with a throw, my serve got better
Ya & that’s not unheard of at all. You take any recreational player off the street & give them throwing exercises to do & nine times out of ten they’d probably improve somewhat. State of the game I guess...
Striking & throwing look the same, & the way in which you use your body to send the ball on its way is also the same. But, the way the ball is actually propelled, or released, is one hundred percent totally different.
This is not my opinion. These are the facts. I’m just reciting them. This is the science behind what works best, & what could not even be considered ball striking in the first place.
Great, but I couldn't find WHERE to sign up???
here it is Tom crunchtimecoaching.com/tennis-thrive/power-serve-series-1-matt/
I tried signing up for the free training plan, but it calls my email "invalid ". Is there any way to fix this?
thank you!
Holy shit, did you just toss with 4 balls in your hand? That's a special skill
Sir you are GOD'S SEND in every way , in character , integrity , ability , decency, humanity , humility , and may God bless your parents , who through the Power of God took the time and patience to bring you up with such dignity. Son let them know . Go say thank you Mama , thank you Daddy or whoever was your upbringing influence, and most of all say thank you GOD.
Thanks Earl that is very kind of you
That reason you gave about the bucket of balls is why I am here :)
top class
Great practice tips.
So... I practiced serving like 1 hour today and I had all these flaws tomorrow I’ll be back out there and I’m gonna do some of these practices thanks for the help
Great video Peter! Would you say the toe moves before or the same time racket drop begins as I believe my problem is two fold, like you mentioned I dont wait when I toss, and I swing off back foot being too flat which also is a disaster, working on getting off that back foot just dont want to do it too early either. I watch serve videos with a platform stance where they talk about body weight goin forward while tossing, my swing feels rushed. I brought up a lot any input would help.
My problem is that I hit too hard and miss the line or net.. or hit too weak and give my oponent easy point..