Our 2024 Third Base Tier List (with Jolly Olive)
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
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I thought Rendon would be “Why am I at 3B”, but only because he’s wondering why he’s even playing at all
You guys should definitely do this for each position
Appreciate the content!
should have made a "was replaced by matt chapman" and put a picture of plouffe there
I am really glad that BBD is still alive. We were all worried sick
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I’m glad Royce Lewis made the same tier as Gunnar and Josh Jung. What Royce did in just 58 games last season was very impressive. Royce hit more than half as many home runs and RBIs as Gunnar hit in just over 1/3 of the amount of games Gunnar played in.
Young Thicc Austin Riley is about to have an MVP 2024 season
MLB could never put together a list this good
As a lifelong Phillies fan, and Cape Cod League fan, I’m just really happy to hear Matt Vierling is getting a legit shot to start going into spring training. Tho, I am shocked it’s at third base. Regardless what position it is Vierling is one of those ballplayers that won’t put up big numbers, but he will get the job done when called upon, and he will be the consummate vet that younger teammates look up too. If you’re a Tigers coach, or fan, you want Vierling out on that field as much as possible…
There's JRam then there's everyone else!
Ayyyyy you are my kind of people!
RyMac had really good defensive season in 2023
Devers OPS+ is literally only one higher than Bregman's across the last two seasons and that includes the start of 2022 where bregman is coming off surgery. 132 vs 131.
Muncy would be why am I 3B to me. Because he is a 1B /DH. Not good enough defensively for me to want him there. Great bat though.
Bregman vs Devers debate shouldn’t even be happening. It’s Bregman 100 times out of 100
They do this shit every time… not surprising🙄
Halos fan but still, one third baseman that has dropped way way down my list: Anthony Rendon
Ke'Bryan Hayes is so much higher than McMahon and Moncada. Its actually insane that he shares a tier with them.
Hayes will be a top 5 third baseman by WAR this year (provided he stays healthy)
As a red sox fan. Raphy is a crazy inconsistent defender. Big arm but very inaccurate. Id like to see him at dh soon. But the dude rakes, and the homers are impressive for a lefty at fenway
What I’ll say about Vierling, as a Tigers fan, we don’t have a true 3B, and Vierling has the arm to play there to open the outfield for Meadows and Canah. Depending on Parker Meadows spring, Vierling will either be the CF or 3B, but he will be an everyday player regardless of anything. Another guy you should look at is Andy Ibaniez, put up some wild stats as one of the tigers 3 super utility players.
Bregman is a hall of famer
The season is 162 games for a reason. So this isn't an excuse, but Josh Jung's wRc+ was 119 before he broke his hand on august 6th. Came back earlier than expected and without a rehab assignment
Hayes belongs in Wow, 3B is really good
Gotta love Jake saying “I value defense” when talking about Austin Riley, however he puts Devers with Bregman despite the defense being terrible
Devers offsene makes up for it
By position is perfect, love the content
As a Dodgers fan, I love Max, but he should be in the Why Am I at 3B? group. His defensive numbers have really taken a tumble the last couple years. He walks and hits bombs juuust enough to make up for his batting average and defense deficiencies, but in all honesty, should be a DH sooner rather than later.
i think ryan mcmahon is kind of underrated by the community. hes probably the only rockie thats worth the money theyve thrown into their long term contracts
Oh, what I wouldn't give to be with Trevor Plouffe when he finds this graphic.
Hahaha for real! Should have at least left Jeimer in there lol
Don't usually comment but I want to throw this out there, seeing as I don't see it mentioned, but last year Alec Bohm was a plus defender while playing 3B. His negatives were from his time taking over 1st base before Harper came back into the lineup and they were platooning the position.
Matt McLain has never played a single game at third base.
why are we pretending like IKF didnt win a gold glove at 3B? he is a 3B/SS and thats his whole contribution to a team.
also its hilarious that Rendon was considered a top 5 3B 4 years ago
I personally don’t think it’s fair to put muncy undoubtedly in “wow 3b is good” category while quickly dismissing Eugenio for that same spot. Seems to be a case of clear “better” team bias (especially because the difference between them was a measly .3 war last year)
And according to fWAR Suarez was better by .3 war so I think no matter where you put one you have to put the other
muncy is also just better than Eugenio, but i get your point@@SlurpCEO
@@panchocs0719 if muncy and Suarez swapped career paths but kept their same production I don’t think that would be the case, I think it’s a slight bias toward muncy for having more team success. I’m not arguing Suarez is definitively better but there’s an argument to be made if you look it is totally objectively
Id love for the Yankees to get Chapman on a good deal to bring security at 3rd and have DJ super utility since the whole roster will be hurt a some point.
Should've made another tier for Rendon called, "Why am I still in the league?".
“Season is 162 games too long”
Gunnar is def in 3b is really good. Third best 3b last year.
jollyoliveee
Cmon, Gunnar and Josh Jung are on different levels here, Gunnar had a 6 war rookie season with a 125 OPS+, can play good shortstop and elite second base, and Josh Jung is a barely above league average player. Henderson overperformed him in every stat and metric with elite defense compared to Jung's meh defense.
bergman clearly on a hof path though
Did my dawg noelvi marte dirty…you’ll see
The added category should've been "still too Jung to know"
I absolutely love you guys but we disagree on Elly. You can’t dance throw around how strikeouts are just something young guys do and then throw age around (when Elly just turned 22) for other guys and then use that against a guy who has electric tools
IKFs at 3B bc it’s his best defensive position
Imma just say this I love how they glazed gunner soooooooooo much nobody talks about how he got sent down to the minors and if jung didn’t have a freak injury cuz he caught a line drive he’d be the rookie of the year and not gunner jung was leading in every rookie category mostly
take a look at the alec bohm defensive improvement. please
101 career OPS+, I don't think it matters that much
@@wallacecreed4746 not even 2 full seasons of work
@@ft8423 he has a good swing but if he can’t pull the ball more he’s never going to maximize his potential. His defense is marginally better, but realistically still isn’t gonna be a means for him to get into the top 3B conversations
@@wallacecreed4746 revisit this in October. I promise
@@wallacecreed4746 hope you saw his swing vs the Braves in spring training. Pull w pop. He’s getting there it’s going to be a strong year for him I swear
Are we out on Chapman to the cubs being a possibility all of a sudden?
I would kill for Nick Senzel to have a .750 OPS season for my Nats
Anthony rendon #1
DO ALL POSITIONS
Devers and buncy in the same category is disrespectful
Noelvi Marte will be the reds opening day 3B and wasn’t even mentioned.
Yea, they just threw him in why am I at 3B and didn't say a thing, kinda weird.
This is the absolute dream team of JM bois, such a fun ep!
Arenado 3B MVP
Gunnar Henderson highest WAR (6.2) in 2023 of all guys you named
thats why he turns down 70 mil 🧠🧠🧠🧠
Jung really isn't that young. He turns 26 in a few weeks.
SS next!
Could have just put Gunnar in S tier as well.
18:29 surprising? It’s Manny, he got the bag and went back to sleep… I would even venture to say it would not surprise me if he (among others) took advantage of Peter Siler’s largesse knowing how generous he was near the end and that he could opt out and get a massive extension.
Manny has been playing injured for the past two years and just had surgery. Dude is going to have a big season this year.
You guys snubbed Gio Urshela. 💔
How about making a tier list of top regular season games of 2023 season ??? As a Giants fan I really enjoyed the September 8 game we had against Colorado- Giants overcame 4 AND three run deficit and won in extras. Eat your heart out Martin Scorcese
Please do more position tier lists this was a lot of fun
naaaaaaw.... the Bregman slander is crazy. He has to be at least on the HOF tier. The fact that you say he couldnt win MVP when he maybe should have in 2019 when he was fully healthy for a full year and has a better overall game than Devers is insane. He hasnt had as good an offensive year like 2019 since but he had also struggled with injuries limiting him some while still playing and not missing time, has better defense and a better plate discipline. Not to mention you put them with Muncy? gtfo
PapiGord
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We need this for 2B, middle relievers and catchers (including the rest day/platoon guys). Then you can move on to 1B, OF and SS
Can’t wait for the next ones.
S tier and HOF? needed to be switched, or S tier needed to get removed. too many tiers up the top
I kinda get it. S tier are guys that are currently the best, while HOF? are guys with a great career but are slowing down/not quite the peak anymore
@@dylankrejci9965. it would make sense if the guys who are in that category werent also on the same level as the guys above. i think J-Ram is in the same conversation for HOF as Arenado and Machado, and all 4 of them are on the same level, just Riley and J-Ram are a bit younger
Jake or jolly I would love for one of you guys to join my fantasy baseball. Wake and jake is my new Mike and Mike in the morning
I’m sure Jake was just using hyperbole @18:20 but I don’t think Arenado or Machado have any sort of argument at all for best to ever play the position. Mike Schmidt has twice their WAR and 3 MVPs lol.
trust me every pirate fan knows bob nutting is the second worst owner in the league we want him gone
Devers is fine at defense as long as he has a good shortstop with him. However he had Kiké Hernandez for 81 games last year before story got back
There should’ve been a category called “my defence is really good” for keBryan, McMahon and chapman
Riley is barely league average defense
Let's be honest it's AL Mid, not AL Central.
Having Riley and Devers on different tiers is upsurd. Look at their stats, they're nearly identical except Raffy has a longer track record.
Offensively, they are very close. Defensively, Riley is better because he wasn't complete ass last year, unlike Raffy.
If Raffy can even just perform like 2022, where he had around 0 dWAR, they are pretty even. Until then, he's a step behind the other top 3B, unfortunately.
@@mereto Riley isn't a good defender either, and Devers had to play next to the worst shortstop in the league for 2/3 of the season. When you average it out Riley and Devers project to be basically the same player.
@JoshyGoodVibes Riley is not good defensively but doesn't have atrocious defensive seasons like Devers. 2021 and 2023 were about as bad as it gets at 3B.
I agree that they shouldn't be 2 tiers apart, though. Having Riley ahead of Devers in the same tier or just 1 above makes sense for 2024. Riley actually projects to have his worst defensive season yet on fangraphs and to be below Devers.
@@meretoRiley has improved his defense to the point where he’s at least League Average. Raffy is just a straight Liability Defensively. That’s where they gave him the edge. Offensively, they are very comparable, but that defensive edge gives Riley the advantage.
Devers over Breg seams a lil crazy
All the bohm haters look stupid now 😂
Muncy is very underrated
Why does the guy on the left piss me off. Can’t even watch the videos he’s in
a medical professional could help you find out
Comparing Gunnar & Jung is insane to me 😂 one is a phenom and one is another average joe
One is also over 3 years older. Jung really isn't that young.
They had very similar rookie seasons. Jung was also hurt for 6 weeks and came back without a rehab assignment so a lot of his numbers dropped at the end. While I do think Gunnar is better for sure, it’s really not fair to call Jung an average joe. He did start the all star game after all
Please bring back the wake n jake theme song 🙏😔
you trade Alec Bohm and a top pitching prospect plus whatever to the Astros for Alex Bregman
I love Jomboy Media and watch all your stuff. With that said, can Jolly be in less videos? I don't enjoy his work and he's in everything. Seriously, use someone else.
disagree and disregard
It would be nice if we could see the ranking. Its too small