As well as them spending the majority of time discussing things that no prospective buyer would actually care about (Genshin Impact, camera quality instead of the effectiveness of text extraction), while completely ignoring what it’s like to use Android on an eink display in things like notes apps, magazine apps, etc
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@@whenhen This is Short Circuit tho, not a review.
@ Short Circuit normally shows products as people might actually use them, just with an unboxing mentality. Riley just spent nearly the entire time doing things no one interested in this would actually try. It’s line if they unboxed earbuds and then spent their entire time complaining that it couldn’t connect to a tv seamlessly
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@@whenhen I agree with you, however, you must also take into account the presenter, which in this case is Riley and that's his whole schtick.
i hate that he kept it in such a yellow mode when the non backlight mode looked way better. I hope other viewers don't think that it always has a strong yellow tint, cause this product looks pretty cool
@@k.binaku This isn't LTT, this isn't a review. ShortCircuit was made specifically for content that wouldn't work well on LTT with a proper review, but having a more informal unboxing that requires less work to produce and can be done off-the-cuff and just stating what the manufacturer says rather than any internal validation of those claims.
@@k.binaku LTT ≠ LMG, and spending a week or two with a product and giving researched and scripted thoughts on all aspects of the product vs messing around with something for an hour are totally different things. I would never take a recommendation for a product from a first impressions video like this, I'd look for reviews from people who have used the product day-in, day-out and taken careful looks at everything.
E-ink really needs some love since the E-Reader boom. Innovation is still going on, with Color, faster refresh rates, and resolution. I hope for the day when it finally enters the mainstream.
biggest problem for me is price. I would love a device like this, but maybe for $100-$200 tops, not $600. at that price I'd just get a base model iPad. But if it was $100, I would get it just to have a tablet I can read stuff, take notes, toss around etc.
@@kennypu not entirely comparable. Battery life on e ink is of course insane and they work super well in sunlight unlike an ipad (they even have longer battery life since you can just turn off the back light entirely). Own one of the older boox devices and I wouldn't change it out for for a normal tablet anytime. Though of course, it's all usecase dependent, they are niche devices that does some things incredibly well and a lot of other stuff not well at all
I feel like e-ink tablets don't get a fair shake on this channel. Not saying they are ready for mainstream, but they do many things very well and have carved out a solid niche for note taking which had all of 1:10 committed to it. Would love to see a review where it is fairly compared for its actual use-case
I agree. I have a ratta supernote and its amazing. Its awesome for taking notes and reading books. Zero eye strain. They are almost perfect for their designed use
Personally i think the premium price point is the main issue the low refresh rate of the eInk display makes it unsuited for gaming or media. and as an E Reader its already competing against much more competitive priced readers. for its intended purpose it seems overspecced
What things do they do very well exactly? I don't get it.. it's an overpriced tablet with a niche screen which only advantage seems to maybe be less eye-strain (which means nothing to most ppl anyway since we're used to bright big screens on our faces). The long battery life is great I suppose, but at that price it better be lasting for fricking weeks or months at full use..
@@takisk.7698 I use mine for taking notes, a daily planner, and I have tons of books and PDFs on it. It's awesome reading books and annotating them. It's definitely a niche product but it does that niche exceptionally well. Nothing like having a ton of books in a small form factor and not having to worry about battery life or eye strain.
@@Bearsfan131 every thing u said can be done with a tablet. if eye strain and battery life is the only difference ( aside from horrid refresh rate and no color whatsoever) then simply turning down the brightness or having even just an Ereader app that changes the screen brightness and color to look yellow would be far better than this... this table compared to normal ones to me is some cheap dollar store tablet your grandma would get you. you cant do any of the cool things your friends table could do but atleast u can still draw and write but thats about it
I have a Boox Max Lumi 2, almost exclusively for reading music. I'm a professional musician and my orchestra sends me digitial practice parts. Staring closely at regular screens for hours at a time gives me headaches - I love reading music on e ink. It is a very niche use case, but for reading and marking up music in a professional setting it is worth it!
I'm actually using an eBook reader from Boox and it also has a full Android system in it. And still the battery life you'd expect from an eBook reader. I really love it!
I got a meebook and must say that having android makes the whole concept of e-readers work for me, as I'm a dirty pirate that reads on tachiyomi and lithium. It's so easy to load up on reading material like this.
Nice to see Boox get another shot on the channel with a bit more depth. I was pretty dissapointed by the last time when yall left the tablets refresh rate in reading mode and then complained about it having an awful refresh rate for drawing.
Boox seems to have optimized their writing app to have high refresh rate and clear text. My guess is that e-ink pixel response times are not too bad, they are just bad at large-area refresh and horrible at accurate gray to gray transfer. When writing, they can refresh the changing pixels at really good FPS.
@@yuxuanhuang3523 I'm not sure who's been initially behind it, but companies are now using partial refresh for just where the pen tip is. For best performance, that requires apps to be written to accommodate that. One's like OneNote still aren't. Onyx/Boox have found a bodge that is essentially having their own mini-app show your writing/drawing before sending it to the other app.
@@tams805 Oh that's really smart, thanks for the info. I was wondering how the heck they had all those companies to implement code just for them. It really feels snappy though, slightly worse than iPad pro, better than most android tablets. My point with the original comment was about how they achieved the ultra fast but blurry images. Instead of doing the 16 grays they can achieve through a refresh, they just used a mix of black and white (thanks to high PPI) to display gray, and when the shade of gray changes, just turn on or off more neighbouring pixels. This method has really little ghosting and really good scrolling experience. I have set it to activate ultra fast whenever I start scrolling, and return to slow with a full screen refresh after I stop touching the screen
I literally *live* in my Onyx Boox Note 2 -- it's got a crazy amount of updates that have made it better and better over time too, which was surprising. Awesome products, pretty decent company.
I have the Note 2 as well and I use it for note taking above all else. Years ago I bought a Surface Pro 3 with the intention of trying to have one do-it-all device for notes and general computer work, but I've since come to terms with the fact that its better to have a laptop for the things a laptop is good at and a e-note for the note-taking and book reading. Having said that the feature that is still missing from the Boox notes app that I would kill for is "convert selected ink to text". The old Microsoft OneNote had an ink-to-text feature that, when you selected some pen strokes with a lasso tool, would convert only the selected strokes to text. For Boox, the notes OCR function does all or nothing and for my notes that is pretty useless. Give me "convert-selection-to-text" and I'll be pleased. Give me ink-to-math (that Microsoft OneNote used to have and then they killed it) and I'd be over the moon. Put it all in an e-note with a mature color e-ink display (I know the tech isn't there yet and maybe it will never be) and I'd pay crazy money for it.
Always interested in seeing e-ink devices in this form factor, and how they compare to the Remarkable device. Been wanting one of those for ages, but they're just too expensive for me. But it'd be cool to see you guys review the Remarkable 2! edit - well of course as soon as I wrote that, I actually went and checked, and you guys DID review the Remarkable!
I've had the remarkable 2 now for a semester, and it's great... As a notebook. It's good for handwriting, reading pdfs and live sync with other devices. It's far from a normal tablet, and this video probably explains why they went that route. With no backlight and e-ink the screen is the opposite of a normal tablet, it'll work great in good lighting, but bad on low.
Add: It feels a lot better to type on than a normal tablet, and it feels like a mix between paper and a normal screen. Like a more rough tablet screen.
Remarkable2 is $299 now. You can get 3rd party folios and pens(but that's where they probably get their margin.) I will say I remember disagreeing with James' review. I had one coming the day that review came out and almost sent it back. My wife convinced me to try it, and I immediately decided to keep it.
@@TheMaxCapeYT Yeah, remarkable is quite great, only thing that irritates me is the need for internet access and cloud storage to use half of features... and it could have web browser but for taking notes, reading and drawing its really good (eraser on the other side of stylus is gamechanger, I sometimes even forget that it's digital when I use both paper and it), and screen has quite sturdy layer on top, so it won't break easly, it even survived few dices rolled or more like hitting it as they jumped out of dice tray (but I guess all e-inks with stylus have that)
I have a Nova 3 from Boox, which I bought about 18 months ago. The thing slaps, honestly. Obviously you're paying way more than for a kindle, you're in ipad territory, but the fact that you get a battery that lasts forever like a kindle, but it's a whole android tablet that actually runs kind of okay, is amazing. The two tone backlight, with the ability to customize how much blue and red light comes out, is very very nice for reading at night. I also find the way you get files onto it to be very convenient. You press a button on the tablet, it spins up a web server that you can pin to a static internal IP, and you just go there on your desktop and put whatever thing you want on it. Takes no time at all and it's way more reliable than the weird email crap that kindles use, all on internal networks, no internet needed.
For people not understanding the value proposition bare in mind this is the extreme premium end of e-ink devices, and the price reflects that. You can get competent eink devices as a variety of price ranges for a variety of use cases, from $40 kindles up to multi-thousand dollar boox monitors. We live in a world where people pay hundreds of dollars for a slightly better camera or a few more gigs of ram in a phone. E-ink tablets are no different, as you add features and specs the price shoots up faster and faster.
Honestly I've got the boox air, it's been an amazing device for college. So much of the stuff that I do is pdf native, so having a 10" screen that can view a full PDF and let me write on it has been amazing. With PDFs I always just leave the zoom as default, never actually used it for an epub.
This is really cool. There are tons of researchers that still print our research articles to read them because it's miserable spending countless hours at a computer reading them. I've wanted an e-ink device for that purpose for ages, but the small size, scrolling performance, ability to annotate things, etc, all suck. The best alternative has been the ipad pro, which I haven't gotten because it's not compatible with my particular document syncing system. If reference manager apps from the Play Store play nicely on this, it legitimately could replace paper printing for a lot of academics/researchers.
Why not look at the Samsung S series of tablets if you need a specific app from the Play Store and great annotation abilities? The Galaxy Tab S7FE is often on sale for $330 USD and quite large.
@@tams805 yes. He mentioned the iPad Pro being a good alternative, just lacking in apps. The iPad uses normal screen tech, but runs iPadOS whereas the Galaxy Tabs get access to the play store which could allow them to use the preferred reference manager
@@whenhen I usually keep up with Samsung's premium tablets, but usually I can't justify the price-to-feature value (I'm a cheapass). The main reason I'd consider an ipad over them is so that I can also use it for testing some ported apps, so I get a little extra value from that (I already have an old Android tablet for testing Android apps). With that said, I wasn't aware of the S7FE model, and it may actually be the first Android tablet I'd consider getting for reading and annotating papers if I can manage to get it with a stylus for $350 or less.
@@andrewjmarx The Galaxy Tab S7FE comes with an S Pen which uses the exact same Wacom tech that the Boox and Remarkable tablets use. It also means that replacement styluses are cheap, should you ever loose it.
It's actually more comfortable to read on tablets like this with a warmer light. Maybe not full-on warm, but warmer. It's a first impressions type of video that's fine off the cuff so I don't mind.
@@Dustmadeout if it's so dark that you need the backlight, it's nicer. Otherwise, if the place is well-lit, it doesn't need a backlight. It acts exactly like paper.
I’ve long thought that modern smart phones should be the standard slab we are accustomed to, but instead of a colored glass or metal back it should be an e-ink screen. They use barely any electricity, and they even have high end color versions for what would be on the pro models. Being able to set all the info and notifications you want to see, or even just designs you want to see on the other side. Keep the main high res/refresh screen turned off when not being used. You could even have main functions like call and text available through the e-ink side without turning on the phone.
I just got a boox for typing with a keyboard that mimics a typewriter. I use OneNote. Why would I want Obsidian? There’s no ghosting on regular mode, only on speed mode which isn’t necessary for typing.
What I really want is a _color_ e-ink reader with a screen size of at least 8.5 by 11. That is, the same size as a sheet of loose leaf paper, or larger. Something that would be ideal for reading magazines and comics. As an e-reader it wouldn't need to be a fully featured tablet with a camera and a keyboard, although the keyboard would be a nice extra.
Yeah need a 12" . Found my old android 12.2" tablets hit that mark but I wish Iit was a color e-ink reader in that size. Maybe there will be a Onyx Boox Tab Ultra as there is already 13" in the black and white verison.
12:00 You can draw quickly in the best quality mode because it uses "partial refresh" which involves only refreshing the tiny areas around the stylus tip.
(0:33) From what I can tell, BOOX devices are usually mostly for reading and/or note-taking (or at least are like e-readers on steroids), like the Note Air2 that I have, but in the past couple of years or so, they deviated away from reading-focused e-paper tablets to e-paper PC monitors (Mira series), and with the Tab Ultra, they attempted to create a productivity-focused e-paper tablet for getting work done, so it has a different home screen that puts more of a focus on productivity than reading. (3:02) Right. I forgot that the BOOX Tab Ultra includes the Pen2 Pro, whereas the Note Air2 includes the Pen Plus but I bought the Pen2 Pro separately. When the pen is purchased separately, it comes in a colour scheme that matches the first two generations of the Note Air, if I recall correctly. The pen I got for mine did also come with a pen cap, but that was lost. (4:42) As far as I know, microSD cards are instead called TF cards in Chinese. (9:25) Yep! I usually have mine set to auto-rotate in portrait only, as I mostly read on mine, and when I do work on notes, I have it attached to a tablet stand in portrait and an external keyboard. The only times I have it in landscape are for some notes (there can be separate portrait and landscape notes), when I'm using the case as a stand, when using multi-window mode, and when browsing certain webpages. (9:59) I couldn't help but to notice that he had accidentally started a screen recording.
I don't think it was accidental. They usually do that so they can cut in video from the device itself but I guess they opted to not use it here ... might just be because thanks to eInk the screen was readable on camera just fine even with the studio lights xD
Had the previous gen and i did a lot of math note taking / problems and loved it. Being able to resize notes and write on books was awesome. That being said at 600 dollars just get an ipad, it might not do pure text better but still miles more versitile.
What benefit does one have with this over any of Samsung's S-Tabs? Like my s6 lite cost me 260bucks, has a 60Hz fullhd display, a pen which costs 30 bucks to replace which writes super spanking. And with the right app like bamboo paper I can also do really good notes.
@@Daniel-dj7fh Ability to be read without a backlight required (front light capable). It allows reading closer to traditional mediums, and if it's a full tablet that works with android, can allow your choice of ereader apps and specific apps that might be gears more towards professional use and not general consumption. Also e-ink has amazing battery life for obvious reasons. Definitely a niche product though.
I used mine on a teams call (just to see how it went) and… it worked really well, surprised me no end. No front-facing camera but honestly, after three years of teams calls, i consider that a feature. Great device, great video about it!
I have a smaller Boox device, and for the right use cases there's few devices that come close: - Reading books, obviously - Reading manga with a an Android reader app such as Tachiyomi. This is just something you can't do properly on something like a Kindle - Chess and other puzzle games that don't need a high refresh rate that use simple input - Writing notes into apps like Notion, Jira and other collaborative software that has an Android app All while having an insane battery life and a screen you can read under any lighting conditions
I have almost exactly the same use cases and yeah, it's wonderful. Never read as much manga as I am nowadays (or normal books for that matter) and note taking is a dream, plus the battery life while doing all these things is insane (and it practically lasts forever paired with a reasonably sized battery bank, used this for a trip where power outlets were days between each other and could still take tons of notes and entertain myself)
How is the battery life? Riley totally forgot. I play around with IoT devices atm and this could be handy as a device to monitor temperature sensors, remote control for lights/blinds and similar.
@@devluz I have the Onyx Boox Poke 2, so not the same device as this (6" screen), but it's literally weeks if not months if I just use it for reading and keep the wifi turned off. It shuts itself down after some time. But even with wifi on it should last a long time since the screen only uses power when it refreshes.
@@devluz since its e ink, totally amazing. I never feel the need to use high brightness on the back light either and have wifi turned off most of the time so I can easily go over a week with heavy usage
I know exactly the feeling you had when you saw how fast the screen was with the stylus! When you find out why it is that fast it makes perfect sense and makes you wonder why it took until Remarkable to get this tech in. Basically: the pen is a magnet. Since the screen works with basically magnetic pigment being moved up or down according to an electromagnet matrix, using a magnetic pen can make the change near instant instead because it causes the pixels to only react in the specific spot you touch
I love eink. I keep waiting for the perfect model that would replace a paper notebook for notes, sketches, and work with Google calendar and office apps.
The lack of color is really hindering ebooks. It's super useful to have important words in a different color, highlight important content, and colored pictures like in biology textbooks. Lack of color, in my opinion, limits ebooks to reading novels and the like... Not for studying.
It is technically very difficult to achieve true colours with eInk. The best way to enjoy colour content is an OLED display tablet with an eReader app. To protect your eyes turn down the brightness and engage night mode to reduce the blue light.
@@GudieveNing I remember seeing BBC Click on TV 10-15 years ago showing off colour e-paper at CES that even played back video. I'm surprised it still hasn't reached a real product yet.
Since a LCD screen is transparent out of the case, I always wonder why we don't have a ink screen under a LCD screen so we can switch or use both at the same time for cool effect.
@@rescueferret8834 I know it have its inconvenient but screen superposition is already something used in other contexts. There is the Ticwatch that have a led screen under a monochrome old school LCD screen. The idea is the LCD screen is low power consumption while the LED one is better for some tasks. It doesn't look bad. I don't know how it wold look with ink.
I came away with absolutely no idea what it’s like to read articles in magazine apps, books on the Kindle Android app, etc on an eink display as well as how note taking compares to say the Remarkable. But hey at least I know I can’t game on it!
You guys are watching tech quickie, not ltt, this place is for quick rushed videos that don't have much of a structure, I wouldn't call this a review or showcase, I'd call it christmas morning, when you're just messing around with a new toy.
if people are dropping $600 on a glorified e-reader than they likely don't care what a youtube video has to say. Buy a $300 ipad and use that like a regular person.
I just bought this as my first ever tablet last week (before seeing this video). But second eink. It fills my needs in a way no tablet could, that's why I never bought any tablets before. I've always been looking at tablets and never finding anything that felt quite right, but this just filled so many of my needs. The E-ink is a lot easier for me to read, and I'm mostly using this for research and notetaking. I appreciate the versitility with the product, instead of getting a locked in e-reader.
It sort of is depending on your definition of usable. If you want a nicer ebook reader with some kind of muted pastel looking colors we can already do that for relatively cheap. If you're looking for a laptop not so much.
@@Mkrabs Depends on how much you value battery life and how much easier on the eyes e-paper is. There will never be feature/price parity between traditional displays and E-INK, but for a lot of people, having something as a dedicated reader is well worth the money.
I actually daily-drive BOOX Note Air 2 since like September and it comes to me like a surprise that you guys never heard about this brand. To me they always have been better alternative for even a reMarkable. (Also, here in EU the reMarkable was pretty difficult to come by until not too long ago - so maybe Onyx aims more to our market than the you guys overseas) In any case, I grew too tired of constantly buying new scratch books and pens for my schoolwork while I'm in the middle of BA degree in informatics. So I got myself Note Air 2 and pretty much can't be more happy with how it performs. I don't really use it much for reading, but the Notes app is really good, but it does support some third party note-taking apps too. The pencil I got with it is the cheaper one, which I plan on upgrading, but still feels great, and the responsiveness of the Wacom layer which is the crucial part of the writing process to mitigate the e-ink slow refresh rate, works wonders so far. I like the heft, the finish, and the ability to not only annotate PDFs, but even create my own PDFs out of my taken notes and share them using a QR code. It made the process of handing in my homeworks so quick. There is also a option to just share one page of the notepad as PNG (using QR code too), which is awesome for quick sharing on Discord with my colleagues when we cooperate on some projects. For any student of math subject (or any other subject where it is more plausible to write in-hand than on a laptop or so) I would recommend ONYX for everyday note-taking. It's slim, handy, functional and smart - and some of them come in a leather protective case which feels really premium! I wouldn't go under 10'' for anyone taking notes, but there are both smaller and bigger screens available. Some do even support elementary colors, if you are into drawing and toning or something. All n' all really dope product and I'd like to see your guys' review on some of ONYX' stuff even head to head with reMarkable, Kindle Scribe, or the new Xiaomi stuff I glanced over few days back. Thanks for reading this far, Cheers you all! (And happy New year at that note) -W
So I've been watching Riley for quite a while and I feel like recently he's adopted a very "Unboxed Therapy" approach to his voice inflection. It's interesting because Riley antics are still there. Love ya Bud.
I'm surprised that Boox didn't put a headphone jack in it. An e-reader, or tablet-like e-reader seems like a good use case for that kind of thing, so people can plug in some headphones while listening to music, and it's not like they lack the actual space to fit one in.
@@arnox4554 I am not sure whether this is a business strategy or other hardware design issues. But I haven’t use wired headphones/earbuds on my phones or tablets for years.
The good thing (that's not mentioned in this review) is battery life. I have the Onyx Boox Color and I have to charge it ...once a month? They are mainly ebook readers; the android part is an extra that comes in handy from time to time (i.e. downloading old books which are free from sources that won't price-gouge you like Amazon). The other good thing is that you can have all your book stores in one place: Kindle, Kobo, Google, etc.
Using whatever DRM app you want is my favorite thing about them (plus the e book library app we have here in Norway). Just makes it so much easier to get the best prices for the books
Dude, keep going 😂 When you finally figure out what this tablet is capable of you won't pick up your iPad until another season of Chicago PD starts lol OneNote runs like liquid on it. You can send to, export, email or teleport to ANYwhere. I love it so much. For hand-writing it leaves the others in the dust.
But lets be honest. A reMarkable 2 makes sense: You write, you read. And you have the freedom of mind and space. You spend money to have less, but more. (If that makes sense!?) The Boox however, is a gimick. Take a tablet and slam an E-Ink on to it. Its a tablet made worse. And an E-Reader with more funtions. Maybe, in a few years time, E-Inks will be faster and more responsive. Than this could actually be great. But other than that I see no sense in buying one of these. I have a reMarkable 2 and I love it. But I wished it had Backlighting. Overall, this is what I think e-Ink is made for. Immersive and unstressfull longterm use, with few interactions (at this moment, maybe not in the future) and eye-careing use.
Having android app compatibility is great and IMO not a gimmick at all.... Though the way they use that feature in the video is gimmicky. I use it for DRM book apps for example (no need to worry about if you should buy a book on kindle, Google books or whatever, can even use library apps) and it works absolutely great for reading manga with one of the various manga apps that exists out there. This is stuff you cannot really get with a kindle or other non android device
Gotta admit, looks incredible for someone like me, who don't really need a tablet, but something like slightly better ebook, which can do notes, staffpad and so on. Maybe after a couple of generations it will be even better
A 10" e-ink tab would make my main job at work almost paperless. I've bought multiple kindles over the years, and while they're a good size for book reading, they're a little too small for work applications. To have an e-ink device that is that much closer to the size of A4 paper would mean I can easily carry plans for multiple jobs and have the ability to zoom in on small details without ever having to print a single page, not to mention the ability to look up hardware installation instructions and manuals all from one device with a screen that's easy on the eyes. Now, if only the price could come down a bit.
@@edkachalov 1-2 weeks for sure, unless you're like watching a whole bunch of videos on it like an insane person, but just reading and note taking you get tons of battery life
One thing that nobody seems to push is the insane battery life of e-ink displays. Like, I would totally buy an e-ink smartphone. A MONTH of battery life but no videos? Yes, please!
I live in a part of North England where there is a strange divide of the pronunciation of "book" . With in a couple of miles it changes from Buck to Buke. Weird.
This is actually pretty cool. I'd have an issue with the price, but it does indeed have a lot of stuff coming with it that actually work pretty ok. I'm assuming that the battery life could be pretty great, e ink excells for that usually (Riley never mentioned that as far as I could tell). I like it!
I'm a Onyx Boox user for a few years now. The best purchase I ever made. I literally use it every day. The one thing I would like is a bigger screen, note-taking, and speakers. This could well be my new tablet. It seems if you aren't using a tablet for videos or gaming, this is perfect.
This is a tablet to cream over if your read a lot of pirated .CBR "comic book reader, format. This would be great to flip pages and it would feel like an actual doujin or Manga. I could work my way through some attack on Titan on this. But having an Android operating system running it makes reading different file formats of comic books so much easier. Or if you read a lot of textbooks.
some students at uni have these, they're great when you have to read a thousand research papers without straining your eyes! been looking to buy one myself, my eyes are constantly fatigued.
I have one (the nova air c witch have a color screen) and with tachiyomi (manga app for android) is really great, the B&W models have a better display but i like to have some colors (sorry for my broken English)
For $600 you can get a current generation iPad, Pencil G1, Bluetooth keyboard thing, and a Kindle and have both a good tablet and a dedicated e-reader.
Huh, this could be a cool little sketching and reading device, but I think the usage experience with the refresh rate would be too limiting for me. After enjoying 120hz on a Tab S8 Ultra, I don't want to draw on anything less.
@@Just_a_commenter I've never seen one in person, I've got most of the information about how these new screens work in this @TechAltar video ua-cam.com/video/8Xr9X6cbQ68/v-deo.html
@@Just_a_commenter for full screen redraws it looks like about 10hz. Minor changes to a pixel here and there likely feel instant. It won't redraw the entire screen unless it has to. Part of e-ink's benefit is the very low power usage of the display. Without the backlight on it uses no power to keep the pixels where they are provided they don't change. That's why it was such a good tech for ebook readers. You refresh the screen when you turn the page and that's it. That page of text will just sit there like that for days and days.
@@Thezuule1 As neat as that is, I think the drawing feel for me will remain better suited on non e-ink tablets. Still very cool technology and if I was more interested in reading I'd probably grab one.
There's a lot of companies out there! I'm glad you've covered the Onyx Boox. They have a color E-ink version, and is a big competitor with the Remarkable 2, Kindle Scribe and Kobo Elipsa. There are also smart notebooks and smart pens as well. The notebook includes the Rocketbook. Pens include the Neo M1+. These options are cost effective and zero latency.
You are mentioning different product lines. In fact, only few brands release 13.3" e-ink tablets; BOOX is the top 1 brand due to flexibility and performance.
@@Tantive Unless there's a backlight, the power draw is *zero* when reading, and if the power to the display is cut the image will remain on it unchanged for weeks if not months. Most e-ink displays don't have a backlight and don't need one. It's perfect for displays that need to be on all the time with rare updates (e.g. most IOT-type devices).
I've been using boox ereaders for a while now, none of the other major competitors can compete with the flexibility. Personally my daily driver is the nova air with the color screen, don't think I'll ever go back to traditional tablets. As someone who spends all day looking at screens for work it's amazing for eye fatigue and headaches, and for text-based daily tasks like email, taking notes, reading, text chatting nothing beats it imo. The biggest downside of boox devices is the price, if taking a $300-$600 dive isn't something you can stomach grab a kindle or kobo that's a generation old just to try out the modern eink experience for ~$40, you won't regret trying.
I really like this a lot. I hope there’s more in the future. I still really want an e-ink monitor at some point and this seems like steps are going there.
It's not ridiculously awesome, it's interesting and potentially good for some people. Why can't people use normal adjectives anymore? Where do you go after "ridiculously awesome"? Or is this literally the most exciting thing you've ever seen in your life?
I still think the best form factor for e-ink devices is to be double sided like the yotaphone. This gives you one device that can excel at everything instead of needing two expensive devices, just so that one of them is easier on the eyes to read on. Another potential option I do not see is an e-ink tablet that has no onboard processing, but rather has bluetooth or wifi streaming from your phone.
Liked the showing of the product but would have preferred to see some EPUB text or PDF with images or .CBZ file examples which are the main uses of this type of device, and also why no mention about battery life? You mention battery life for laptops and ipads but not this tablet with a low power display? This Shortcircuit is like reviewing a laptop by plugging it in turning it on but then never opening the screen.
I use this with a Keychron K4 for SSH sessions to develop in Vim. It's really nice, maybe not $600 nice, but it is easy on the eyes. Kind of like coding on a newspaper.
I really want a colour e-ink tablet for things like magazines, comics, or text books. Would be so much less space than paper versions of these things. Given the type of media I would not care about refresh speeds for such things. Currently a tablet would do fine, but with the bright screen would be more eye strainy than an e-ink version. So far I've not seen great things on colour e-ink and no one seems to make a proper product, so I guess I'll just keep hoping
Onyx must be so impressed that the 99% of the review was done with the front light in night mode so the screen is a sickly yellow.
As well as them spending the majority of time discussing things that no prospective buyer would actually care about (Genshin Impact, camera quality instead of the effectiveness of text extraction), while completely ignoring what it’s like to use Android on an eink display in things like notes apps, magazine apps, etc
@@whenhen This is Short Circuit tho, not a review.
@@whenhen Also main reason to get these is battery life ... yet they somehow managed to forget the most important part xD
@ Short Circuit normally shows products as people might actually use them, just with an unboxing mentality. Riley just spent nearly the entire time doing things no one interested in this would actually try.
It’s line if they unboxed earbuds and then spent their entire time complaining that it couldn’t connect to a tv seamlessly
@@whenhen I agree with you, however, you must also take into account the presenter, which in this case is Riley and that's his whole schtick.
i hate that he kept it in such a yellow mode when the non backlight mode looked way better. I hope other viewers don't think that it always has a strong yellow tint, cause this product looks pretty cool
Fr fucc the yellow screen you can see it fine without it just for the night
This is the most terrible review on LTT for the same reason. I entirely skipped it because of that damn light.
@@k.binaku This isn't LTT, this isn't a review. ShortCircuit was made specifically for content that wouldn't work well on LTT with a proper review, but having a more informal unboxing that requires less work to produce and can be done off-the-cuff and just stating what the manufacturer says rather than any internal validation of those claims.
@@itskdog its part of the same company, and this review was trash
@@k.binaku LTT ≠ LMG, and spending a week or two with a product and giving researched and scripted thoughts on all aspects of the product vs messing around with something for an hour are totally different things. I would never take a recommendation for a product from a first impressions video like this, I'd look for reviews from people who have used the product day-in, day-out and taken careful looks at everything.
E-ink really needs some love since the E-Reader boom. Innovation is still going on, with Color, faster refresh rates, and resolution. I hope for the day when it finally enters the mainstream.
The innovation there is so slow, not much substantial happens there
biggest problem for me is price. I would love a device like this, but maybe for $100-$200 tops, not $600. at that price I'd just get a base model iPad. But if it was $100, I would get it just to have a tablet I can read stuff, take notes, toss around etc.
@@kennypu Indeed, I would buy an iPad mini, reading books, white text on black background, works well on my phone,
It will never "enter mainstream" since less and less people read and more people watch videos on tablets.
@@kennypu not entirely comparable. Battery life on e ink is of course insane and they work super well in sunlight unlike an ipad (they even have longer battery life since you can just turn off the back light entirely). Own one of the older boox devices and I wouldn't change it out for for a normal tablet anytime. Though of course, it's all usecase dependent, they are niche devices that does some things incredibly well and a lot of other stuff not well at all
I feel like e-ink tablets don't get a fair shake on this channel. Not saying they are ready for mainstream, but they do many things very well and have carved out a solid niche for note taking which had all of 1:10 committed to it. Would love to see a review where it is fairly compared for its actual use-case
I agree. I have a ratta supernote and its amazing. Its awesome for taking notes and reading books. Zero eye strain. They are almost perfect for their designed use
Personally i think the premium price point is the main issue the low refresh rate of the eInk display makes it unsuited for gaming or media. and as an E Reader its already competing against much more competitive priced readers. for its intended purpose it seems overspecced
What things do they do very well exactly? I don't get it.. it's an overpriced tablet with a niche screen which only advantage seems to maybe be less eye-strain (which means nothing to most ppl anyway since we're used to bright big screens on our faces).
The long battery life is great I suppose, but at that price it better be lasting for fricking weeks or months at full use..
@@takisk.7698 I use mine for taking notes, a daily planner, and I have tons of books and PDFs on it. It's awesome reading books and annotating them. It's definitely a niche product but it does that niche exceptionally well. Nothing like having a ton of books in a small form factor and not having to worry about battery life or eye strain.
@@Bearsfan131 every thing u said can be done with a tablet. if eye strain and battery life is the only difference ( aside from horrid refresh rate and no color whatsoever) then simply turning down the brightness or having even just an Ereader app that changes the screen brightness and color to look yellow would be far better than this... this table compared to normal ones to me is some cheap dollar store tablet your grandma would get you. you cant do any of the cool things your friends table could do but atleast u can still draw and write but thats about it
After all these years, I’m surprised we never got color e-ink.
Honestly Pebble did a fantastic job creating and pioneering color eink.
That's really just an LCD panel without a backlight in which case we have had several devices that have used that exact technology
boox nova color 3
My local groocery store has color e-ink price tags.
We n̶e̶v̶e̶r̶ got color e-ink.
it exists, still not great though
I have a Boox Max Lumi 2, almost exclusively for reading music. I'm a professional musician and my orchestra sends me digitial practice parts. Staring closely at regular screens for hours at a time gives me headaches - I love reading music on e ink. It is a very niche use case, but for reading and marking up music in a professional setting it is worth it!
I'm actually using an eBook reader from Boox and it also has a full Android system in it. And still the battery life you'd expect from an eBook reader. I really love it!
I got a meebook and must say that having android makes the whole concept of e-readers work for me, as I'm a dirty pirate that reads on tachiyomi and lithium. It's so easy to load up on reading material like this.
Nice to see Boox get another shot on the channel with a bit more depth. I was pretty dissapointed by the last time when yall left the tablets refresh rate in reading mode and then complained about it having an awful refresh rate for drawing.
Boox seems to have optimized their writing app to have high refresh rate and clear text. My guess is that e-ink pixel response times are not too bad, they are just bad at large-area refresh and horrible at accurate gray to gray transfer. When writing, they can refresh the changing pixels at really good FPS.
@@yuxuanhuang3523 I'm not sure who's been initially behind it, but companies are now using partial refresh for just where the pen tip is.
For best performance, that requires apps to be written to accommodate that. One's like OneNote still aren't. Onyx/Boox have found a bodge that is essentially having their own mini-app show your writing/drawing before sending it to the other app.
@@tams805 Oh that's really smart, thanks for the info. I was wondering how the heck they had all those companies to implement code just for them. It really feels snappy though, slightly worse than iPad pro, better than most android tablets.
My point with the original comment was about how they achieved the ultra fast but blurry images. Instead of doing the 16 grays they can achieve through a refresh, they just used a mix of black and white (thanks to high PPI) to display gray, and when the shade of gray changes, just turn on or off more neighbouring pixels. This method has really little ghosting and really good scrolling experience. I have set it to activate ultra fast whenever I start scrolling, and return to slow with a full screen refresh after I stop touching the screen
I literally *live* in my Onyx Boox Note 2 -- it's got a crazy amount of updates that have made it better and better over time too, which was surprising. Awesome products, pretty decent company.
I have the Note 2 as well and I use it for note taking above all else. Years ago I bought a Surface Pro 3 with the intention of trying to have one do-it-all device for notes and general computer work, but I've since come to terms with the fact that its better to have a laptop for the things a laptop is good at and a e-note for the note-taking and book reading.
Having said that the feature that is still missing from the Boox notes app that I would kill for is "convert selected ink to text". The old Microsoft OneNote had an ink-to-text feature that, when you selected some pen strokes with a lasso tool, would convert only the selected strokes to text. For Boox, the notes OCR function does all or nothing and for my notes that is pretty useless. Give me "convert-selection-to-text" and I'll be pleased. Give me ink-to-math (that Microsoft OneNote used to have and then they killed it) and I'd be over the moon. Put it all in an e-note with a mature color e-ink display (I know the tech isn't there yet and maybe it will never be) and I'd pay crazy money for it.
Must be pretty big. Is housing really that hard to find where you live?
Always interested in seeing e-ink devices in this form factor, and how they compare to the Remarkable device. Been wanting one of those for ages, but they're just too expensive for me. But it'd be cool to see you guys review the Remarkable 2! edit - well of course as soon as I wrote that, I actually went and checked, and you guys DID review the Remarkable!
I've had the remarkable 2 now for a semester, and it's great... As a notebook. It's good for handwriting, reading pdfs and live sync with other devices. It's far from a normal tablet, and this video probably explains why they went that route. With no backlight and e-ink the screen is the opposite of a normal tablet, it'll work great in good lighting, but bad on low.
Add: It feels a lot better to type on than a normal tablet, and it feels like a mix between paper and a normal screen. Like a more rough tablet screen.
I've had my eye on Supernote A6 for couple of months. But all those devices are in the same price group and I can't justify myself this expense.
Remarkable2 is $299 now. You can get 3rd party folios and pens(but that's where they probably get their margin.)
I will say I remember disagreeing with James' review. I had one coming the day that review came out and almost sent it back. My wife convinced me to try it, and I immediately decided to keep it.
@@TheMaxCapeYT Yeah, remarkable is quite great, only thing that irritates me is the need for internet access and cloud storage to use half of features... and it could have web browser
but for taking notes, reading and drawing its really good (eraser on the other side of stylus is gamechanger, I sometimes even forget that it's digital when I use both paper and it),
and screen has quite sturdy layer on top, so it won't break easly, it even survived few dices rolled or more like hitting it as they jumped out of dice tray (but I guess all e-inks with stylus have that)
I have a Nova 3 from Boox, which I bought about 18 months ago. The thing slaps, honestly. Obviously you're paying way more than for a kindle, you're in ipad territory, but the fact that you get a battery that lasts forever like a kindle, but it's a whole android tablet that actually runs kind of okay, is amazing. The two tone backlight, with the ability to customize how much blue and red light comes out, is very very nice for reading at night.
I also find the way you get files onto it to be very convenient. You press a button on the tablet, it spins up a web server that you can pin to a static internal IP, and you just go there on your desktop and put whatever thing you want on it. Takes no time at all and it's way more reliable than the weird email crap that kindles use, all on internal networks, no internet needed.
For people not understanding the value proposition bare in mind this is the extreme premium end of e-ink devices, and the price reflects that. You can get competent eink devices as a variety of price ranges for a variety of use cases, from $40 kindles up to multi-thousand dollar boox monitors.
We live in a world where people pay hundreds of dollars for a slightly better camera or a few more gigs of ram in a phone. E-ink tablets are no different, as you add features and specs the price shoots up faster and faster.
Honestly I've got the boox air, it's been an amazing device for college. So much of the stuff that I do is pdf native, so having a 10" screen that can view a full PDF and let me write on it has been amazing. With PDFs I always just leave the zoom as default, never actually used it for an epub.
This is really cool. There are tons of researchers that still print our research articles to read them because it's miserable spending countless hours at a computer reading them. I've wanted an e-ink device for that purpose for ages, but the small size, scrolling performance, ability to annotate things, etc, all suck. The best alternative has been the ipad pro, which I haven't gotten because it's not compatible with my particular document syncing system. If reference manager apps from the Play Store play nicely on this, it legitimately could replace paper printing for a lot of academics/researchers.
Why not look at the Samsung S series of tablets if you need a specific app from the Play Store and great annotation abilities? The Galaxy Tab S7FE is often on sale for $330 USD and quite large.
@@whenhen Did you even read their comment?!
They specifically said that normal screens are the problem, not the OS, etc.
@@tams805 yes. He mentioned the iPad Pro being a good alternative, just lacking in apps. The iPad uses normal screen tech, but runs iPadOS whereas the Galaxy Tabs get access to the play store which could allow them to use the preferred reference manager
@@whenhen I usually keep up with Samsung's premium tablets, but usually I can't justify the price-to-feature value (I'm a cheapass). The main reason I'd consider an ipad over them is so that I can also use it for testing some ported apps, so I get a little extra value from that (I already have an old Android tablet for testing Android apps). With that said, I wasn't aware of the S7FE model, and it may actually be the first Android tablet I'd consider getting for reading and annotating papers if I can manage to get it with a stylus for $350 or less.
@@andrewjmarx The Galaxy Tab S7FE comes with an S Pen which uses the exact same Wacom tech that the Boox and Remarkable tablets use. It also means that replacement styluses are cheap, should you ever loose it.
He made the review intentionally worse by letting warm light stay on all the time.
It's not a review, it's an unboxing and first impression. ShortCircuit doesn't review anything, that's for the main channel
Maybe he likes a warm display
It's actually more comfortable to read on tablets like this with a warmer light. Maybe not full-on warm, but warmer.
It's a first impressions type of video that's fine off the cuff so I don't mind.
@@ShiroKage009 Only if you like yellow backgrounds and book pages.
@@Dustmadeout if it's so dark that you need the backlight, it's nicer. Otherwise, if the place is well-lit, it doesn't need a backlight. It acts exactly like paper.
I’ve long thought that modern smart phones should be the standard slab we are accustomed to, but instead of a colored glass or metal back it should be an e-ink screen. They use barely any electricity, and they even have high end color versions for what would be on the pro models. Being able to set all the info and notifications you want to see, or even just designs you want to see on the other side. Keep the main high res/refresh screen turned off when not being used. You could even have main functions like call and text available through the e-ink side without turning on the phone.
I had one of these; its called the Inkcase but then it broke and its not sold anymore 😢
I can imagine this being quite useful in combination with the Obsidian App, and a sync plugin.
Typing in non-optimized apps on a eink tablet is not so smooth though
@@daniil2815 obsidian is optimized, boox has optimizations for all the major writing apps
I was just thinking the same thing, with Canvas and everything
OneNote + Obsidian would make this tablet super useful, but the absurd ghosting and high price tag make it not really worth it
I just got a boox for typing with a keyboard that mimics a typewriter. I use OneNote. Why would I want Obsidian? There’s no ghosting on regular mode, only on speed mode which isn’t necessary for typing.
What I really want is a _color_ e-ink reader with a screen size of at least 8.5 by 11. That is, the same size as a sheet of loose leaf paper, or larger. Something that would be ideal for reading magazines and comics. As an e-reader it wouldn't need to be a fully featured tablet with a camera and a keyboard, although the keyboard would be a nice extra.
Yeah need a 12" . Found my old android 12.2" tablets hit that mark but I wish Iit was a color e-ink reader in that size. Maybe there will be a Onyx Boox Tab Ultra as there is already 13" in the black and white verison.
12:00 You can draw quickly in the best quality mode because it uses "partial refresh" which involves only refreshing the tiny areas around the stylus tip.
(0:33) From what I can tell, BOOX devices are usually mostly for reading and/or note-taking (or at least are like e-readers on steroids), like the Note Air2 that I have, but in the past couple of years or so, they deviated away from reading-focused e-paper tablets to e-paper PC monitors (Mira series), and with the Tab Ultra, they attempted to create a productivity-focused e-paper tablet for getting work done, so it has a different home screen that puts more of a focus on productivity than reading.
(3:02) Right. I forgot that the BOOX Tab Ultra includes the Pen2 Pro, whereas the Note Air2 includes the Pen Plus but I bought the Pen2 Pro separately. When the pen is purchased separately, it comes in a colour scheme that matches the first two generations of the Note Air, if I recall correctly. The pen I got for mine did also come with a pen cap, but that was lost.
(4:42) As far as I know, microSD cards are instead called TF cards in Chinese.
(9:25) Yep! I usually have mine set to auto-rotate in portrait only, as I mostly read on mine, and when I do work on notes, I have it attached to a tablet stand in portrait and an external keyboard. The only times I have it in landscape are for some notes (there can be separate portrait and landscape notes), when I'm using the case as a stand, when using multi-window mode, and when browsing certain webpages.
(9:59) I couldn't help but to notice that he had accidentally started a screen recording.
I don't think it was accidental. They usually do that so they can cut in video from the device itself but I guess they opted to not use it here ... might just be because thanks to eInk the screen was readable on camera just fine even with the studio lights xD
@@Qwertworks
Right. I forgot that they did that.
Had the previous gen and i did a lot of math note taking / problems and loved it. Being able to resize notes and write on books was awesome. That being said at 600 dollars just get an ipad, it might not do pure text better but still miles more versitile.
Really hope yall can review one of their color e ink options like the Nova Air C
What benefit does one have with this over any of Samsung's S-Tabs?
Like my s6 lite cost me 260bucks, has a 60Hz fullhd display, a pen which costs 30 bucks to replace which writes super spanking. And with the right app like bamboo paper I can also do really good notes.
@@Daniel-dj7fh Ability to be read without a backlight required (front light capable). It allows reading closer to traditional mediums, and if it's a full tablet that works with android, can allow your choice of ereader apps and specific apps that might be gears more towards professional use and not general consumption. Also e-ink has amazing battery life for obvious reasons.
Definitely a niche product though.
@@Daniel-dj7fh Try reading from your S6 Lite outdoors in bright sunlight.
@@danieldougan269 I'll do that the next time the sun comes back out. But I'm probbaly gonna say that it's not an issue.
@@Daniel-dj7fh no headache in the evening
I used mine on a teams call (just to see how it went) and… it worked really well, surprised me no end. No front-facing camera but honestly, after three years of teams calls, i consider that a feature. Great device, great video about it!
I have a smaller Boox device, and for the right use cases there's few devices that come close:
- Reading books, obviously
- Reading manga with a an Android reader app such as Tachiyomi. This is just something you can't do properly on something like a Kindle
- Chess and other puzzle games that don't need a high refresh rate that use simple input
- Writing notes into apps like Notion, Jira and other collaborative software that has an Android app
All while having an insane battery life and a screen you can read under any lighting conditions
holy shit this will go so hard for manga reading yea
I have almost exactly the same use cases and yeah, it's wonderful. Never read as much manga as I am nowadays (or normal books for that matter) and note taking is a dream, plus the battery life while doing all these things is insane (and it practically lasts forever paired with a reasonably sized battery bank, used this for a trip where power outlets were days between each other and could still take tons of notes and entertain myself)
How is the battery life? Riley totally forgot. I play around with IoT devices atm and this could be handy as a device to monitor temperature sensors, remote control for lights/blinds and similar.
@@devluz I have the Onyx Boox Poke 2, so not the same device as this (6" screen), but it's literally weeks if not months if I just use it for reading and keep the wifi turned off. It shuts itself down after some time. But even with wifi on it should last a long time since the screen only uses power when it refreshes.
@@devluz since its e ink, totally amazing. I never feel the need to use high brightness on the back light either and have wifi turned off most of the time so I can easily go over a week with heavy usage
Thank you. Saying "Editor, go on my face to start" instead of "Editor, come on to my face to start" showed restraint.
I know exactly the feeling you had when you saw how fast the screen was with the stylus! When you find out why it is that fast it makes perfect sense and makes you wonder why it took until Remarkable to get this tech in. Basically: the pen is a magnet. Since the screen works with basically magnetic pigment being moved up or down according to an electromagnet matrix, using a magnetic pen can make the change near instant instead because it causes the pixels to only react in the specific spot you touch
so you could theoretically also draw with, for example, a regular fridge magnet?
So what you're telling me is that this is just an etch a sketch for grown-ups?
That's GENIUS. Target the tech to improve response as far as acknowledging the input, then the software can do the accurate response later.
E ink is a perfect device for any people who pay attention for eyes care. Someone sketch and drawing. This thing so useful.
I love eink. I keep waiting for the perfect model that would replace a paper notebook for notes, sketches, and work with Google calendar and office apps.
The lack of color is really hindering ebooks. It's super useful to have important words in a different color, highlight important content, and colored pictures like in biology textbooks. Lack of color, in my opinion, limits ebooks to reading novels and the like... Not for studying.
It is technically very difficult to achieve true colours with eInk. The best way to enjoy colour content is an OLED display tablet with an eReader app. To protect your eyes turn down the brightness and engage night mode to reduce the blue light.
@@GudieveNing I remember seeing BBC Click on TV 10-15 years ago showing off colour e-paper at CES that even played back video. I'm surprised it still hasn't reached a real product yet.
@itskdog it's funny to read this today because all the companies have colour e- readers more including boox!
Since a LCD screen is transparent out of the case, I always wonder why we don't have a ink screen under a LCD screen so we can switch or use both at the same time for cool effect.
My thoughts exactly!
Increased device thickness and increased distance between the surface of the screen and the display
@@rescueferret8834 I know it have its inconvenient but screen superposition is already something used in other contexts. There is the Ticwatch that have a led screen under a monochrome old school LCD screen. The idea is the LCD screen is low power consumption while the LED one is better for some tasks. It doesn't look bad. I don't know how it wold look with ink.
great way to spend time on its least intended functions
I came away with absolutely no idea what it’s like to read articles in magazine apps, books on the Kindle Android app, etc on an eink display as well as how note taking compares to say the Remarkable. But hey at least I know I can’t game on it!
You guys are watching tech quickie, not ltt, this place is for quick rushed videos that don't have much of a structure, I wouldn't call this a review or showcase, I'd call it christmas morning, when you're just messing around with a new toy.
@@trashtrash2169 it's ShortCircuit, but ya it's like a first look at products, not really reviews.
if people are dropping $600 on a glorified e-reader than they likely don't care what a youtube video has to say. Buy a $300 ipad and use that like a regular person.
@@trashtrash2169 I know, but not even loading up a PDF or working out how to change font size, but having time to install Genshin bloody Impact...
I just bought this as my first ever tablet last week (before seeing this video). But second eink. It fills my needs in a way no tablet could, that's why I never bought any tablets before. I've always been looking at tablets and never finding anything that felt quite right, but this just filled so many of my needs.
The E-ink is a lot easier for me to read, and I'm mostly using this for research and notetaking. I appreciate the versitility with the product, instead of getting a locked in e-reader.
I got really excited when I saw the title hoping that full color e-ink was here for a reasonable price and in a usable state
It sort of is depending on your definition of usable. If you want a nicer ebook reader with some kind of muted pastel looking colors we can already do that for relatively cheap. If you're looking for a laptop not so much.
for 600€ you can get the latest High end Tablets as well (tab S8).
not worth the epaper :/
@@Mkrabs Depends on how much you value battery life and how much easier on the eyes e-paper is. There will never be feature/price parity between traditional displays and E-INK, but for a lot of people, having something as a dedicated reader is well worth the money.
@@Mkrabs That really depends on what you want.
What is clear, is that not everyone is like you.
I actually daily-drive BOOX Note Air 2 since like September and it comes to me like a surprise that you guys never heard about this brand. To me they always have been better alternative for even a reMarkable. (Also, here in EU the reMarkable was pretty difficult to come by until not too long ago - so maybe Onyx aims more to our market than the you guys overseas)
In any case, I grew too tired of constantly buying new scratch books and pens for my schoolwork while I'm in the middle of BA degree in informatics. So I got myself Note Air 2 and pretty much can't be more happy with how it performs.
I don't really use it much for reading, but the Notes app is really good, but it does support some third party note-taking apps too. The pencil I got with it is the cheaper one, which I plan on upgrading, but still feels great, and the responsiveness of the Wacom layer which is the crucial part of the writing process to mitigate the e-ink slow refresh rate, works wonders so far.
I like the heft, the finish, and the ability to not only annotate PDFs, but even create my own PDFs out of my taken notes and share them using a QR code. It made the process of handing in my homeworks so quick. There is also a option to just share one page of the notepad as PNG (using QR code too), which is awesome for quick sharing on Discord with my colleagues when we cooperate on some projects.
For any student of math subject (or any other subject where it is more plausible to write in-hand than on a laptop or so) I would recommend ONYX for everyday note-taking. It's slim, handy, functional and smart - and some of them come in a leather protective case which feels really premium!
I wouldn't go under 10'' for anyone taking notes, but there are both smaller and bigger screens available. Some do even support elementary colors, if you are into drawing and toning or something.
All n' all really dope product and I'd like to see your guys' review on some of ONYX' stuff even head to head with reMarkable, Kindle Scribe, or the new Xiaomi stuff I glanced over few days back.
Thanks for reading this far,
Cheers you all! (And happy New year at that note)
-W
So I've been watching Riley for quite a while and I feel like recently he's adopted a very "Unboxed Therapy" approach to his voice inflection. It's interesting because Riley antics are still there. Love ya Bud.
I honestly thought that the first LTT boox review was a bit unfair, I love my nova 2.
I'm surprised that Boox didn't put a headphone jack in it. An e-reader, or tablet-like e-reader seems like a good use case for that kind of thing, so people can plug in some headphones while listening to music, and it's not like they lack the actual space to fit one in.
Actually... That's a pretty good point? Why isn't there a headphone jack?
Bluetooth connection. Do you also complain about no headphone jack in iPhones?
@@yenjun0204 What, are we just supposed to swallow the corporate BS like good little consumers?
@@arnox4554 I am not sure whether this is a business strategy or other hardware design issues. But I haven’t use wired headphones/earbuds on my phones or tablets for years.
@@techno1561 If you measure the thickness of tablets, you could get some ideas why removing headphone jacks.
The good thing (that's not mentioned in this review) is battery life. I have the Onyx Boox Color and I have to charge it ...once a month? They are mainly ebook readers; the android part is an extra that comes in handy from time to time (i.e. downloading old books which are free from sources that won't price-gouge you like Amazon). The other good thing is that you can have all your book stores in one place: Kindle, Kobo, Google, etc.
Using whatever DRM app you want is my favorite thing about them (plus the e book library app we have here in Norway). Just makes it so much easier to get the best prices for the books
@@doc8125 Really? I've found that lately most ebook stores have been updating their DRM way faster than most crackers can keep up with.
No matter how many LMG videos I watch, I can never look at those desk mats and not instantly think, “Movie Theater Carpet”
Dude, keep going 😂 When you finally figure out what this tablet is capable of you won't pick up your iPad until another season of Chicago PD starts lol OneNote runs like liquid on it. You can send to, export, email or teleport to ANYwhere. I love it so much. For hand-writing it leaves the others in the dust.
But lets be honest. A reMarkable 2 makes sense: You write, you read. And you have the freedom of mind and space. You spend money to have less, but more. (If that makes sense!?) The Boox however, is a gimick. Take a tablet and slam an E-Ink on to it. Its a tablet made worse. And an E-Reader with more funtions. Maybe, in a few years time, E-Inks will be faster and more responsive. Than this could actually be great. But other than that I see no sense in buying one of these. I have a reMarkable 2 and I love it. But I wished it had Backlighting. Overall, this is what I think e-Ink is made for. Immersive and unstressfull longterm use, with few interactions (at this moment, maybe not in the future) and eye-careing use.
Having android app compatibility is great and IMO not a gimmick at all.... Though the way they use that feature in the video is gimmicky. I use it for DRM book apps for example (no need to worry about if you should buy a book on kindle, Google books or whatever, can even use library apps) and it works absolutely great for reading manga with one of the various manga apps that exists out there. This is stuff you cannot really get with a kindle or other non android device
Gotta admit, looks incredible for someone like me, who don't really need a tablet, but something like slightly better ebook, which can do notes, staffpad and so on. Maybe after a couple of generations it will be even better
I want one of their color e-ink displays for manga and comics and stuff. And i can use it as a picture frame when i'm not using it.
can you do a video on color e-ink?
Yes but it's not very good.
Oops never mind, I thought you were asking if a color e-ink device can play a video
A 10" e-ink tab would make my main job at work almost paperless. I've bought multiple kindles over the years, and while they're a good size for book reading, they're a little too small for work applications. To have an e-ink device that is that much closer to the size of A4 paper would mean I can easily carry plans for multiple jobs and have the ability to zoom in on small details without ever having to print a single page, not to mention the ability to look up hardware installation instructions and manuals all from one device with a screen that's easy on the eyes. Now, if only the price could come down a bit.
The way Riley says BOOX the UA-cam AI will age restrict the video 😂
That was cool. I might actually want to buy this product for my children and I to take notes.
The important question is:
How much it can hold on one charge?
should be a long time since the screen hardly uses any power. I'd say 12 hours of constant use but who knows?
@@nahimgudfam that’s… not that much? That’s like iPad territory and iPad can run circles around this thing
up to two weeks.
@@nahimgudfam If we take 1 page per 1 minute it equal 12*60 = 720 pages. This is not an amazing result.
@@edkachalov 1-2 weeks for sure, unless you're like watching a whole bunch of videos on it like an insane person, but just reading and note taking you get tons of battery life
the amazing pc collaboration in the background
Would love an actual in depth video/review on all the available e ink tablets. I think the market is larger than you might assume
One thing that nobody seems to push is the insane battery life of e-ink displays.
Like, I would totally buy an e-ink smartphone. A MONTH of battery life but no videos? Yes, please!
Boox would be pronounced the same as books. there would be no reason to change the pronunciation of "oo" just because they replaced "ks" with "x"
Sorta like the way you pronounce Boot! Oh wait.
English is a terrible language.
@@dpb22 No, it's just storied.
Yes just because on their official videos that’s how the manufacture pronounces it
@@tams805 Nah, English is absolutely garbage when it comes to pronunciation and spelling of words.
I live in a part of North England where there is a strange divide of the pronunciation of "book" . With in a couple of miles it changes from Buck to Buke. Weird.
This is actually pretty cool. I'd have an issue with the price, but it does indeed have a lot of stuff coming with it that actually work pretty ok. I'm assuming that the battery life could be pretty great, e ink excells for that usually (Riley never mentioned that as far as I could tell). I like it!
I'm a Onyx Boox user for a few years now. The best purchase I ever made. I literally use it every day. The one thing I would like is a bigger screen, note-taking, and speakers. This could well be my new tablet. It seems if you aren't using a tablet for videos or gaming, this is perfect.
Am I the only one annoyed by the color temperature he left the display at?
Cool product overall though
This is a tablet to cream over if your read a lot of pirated .CBR "comic book reader, format.
This would be great to flip pages and it would feel like an actual doujin or Manga.
I could work my way through some attack on Titan on this.
But having an Android operating system running it makes reading different file formats of comic books so much easier.
Or if you read a lot of textbooks.
For manga pirating especially its amazing how convinient it is. I have tachiyomi installed on it to keep up to date on fan translated manga
@@doc8125 👍🏼
This would probably be good for me. I'm looking for a nonproprietary e-paper tablet. One where I can buy e-books anywhere I want.
some students at uni have these, they're great when you have to read a thousand research papers without straining your eyes! been looking to buy one myself, my eyes are constantly fatigued.
Thanks for reviewing this! I’ve been looking for a smart organizer (Google/exchange syncable) + kindle app e-ink device.
If the price was a little lower I'd snap that thing up.
i have actually had android e-ink tablets on my wishlist for years for reading manga.
thought that was a pretty goated use case.
I have one (the nova air c witch have a color screen) and with tachiyomi (manga app for android) is really great, the B&W models have a better display but i like to have some colors (sorry for my broken English)
@@masterarturo1990 yea exactly. you can't use it for webtoons, but for non webtoon chinese and japanese manga it's perfect.
If you don't need color check out the Supernote, I think it can open files like cbz
For $600 you can get a current generation iPad, Pencil G1, Bluetooth keyboard thing, and a Kindle and have both a good tablet and a dedicated e-reader.
Ive been dying for a proper color e-ink e-reader.
That 'hello' in the middle of the video made me think I was AFK in a discord call lmao thanks
This is exactly what I'd want from a MANGA reader!
I almost bought one awhile ago. I have apps I subscribe to that release book chapters and there’s no way to put it on a normal ereader
Huh, this could be a cool little sketching and reading device, but I think the usage experience with the refresh rate would be too limiting for me. After enjoying 120hz on a Tab S8 Ultra, I don't want to draw on anything less.
The screen refreshes only where the pencil is touching the screen, so it is pretty responsive.
@@mozneda Interesting - any idea of how responsive it'd be compared to 120Hz?
@@Just_a_commenter I've never seen one in person, I've got most of the information about how these new screens work in this @TechAltar video ua-cam.com/video/8Xr9X6cbQ68/v-deo.html
@@Just_a_commenter for full screen redraws it looks like about 10hz. Minor changes to a pixel here and there likely feel instant. It won't redraw the entire screen unless it has to. Part of e-ink's benefit is the very low power usage of the display. Without the backlight on it uses no power to keep the pixels where they are provided they don't change. That's why it was such a good tech for ebook readers. You refresh the screen when you turn the page and that's it. That page of text will just sit there like that for days and days.
@@Thezuule1 As neat as that is, I think the drawing feel for me will remain better suited on non e-ink tablets. Still very cool technology and if I was more interested in reading I'd probably grab one.
There's a lot of companies out there! I'm glad you've covered the Onyx Boox. They have a color E-ink version, and is a big competitor with the Remarkable 2, Kindle Scribe and Kobo Elipsa.
There are also smart notebooks and smart pens as well. The notebook includes the Rocketbook. Pens include the Neo M1+. These options are cost effective and zero latency.
You are mentioning different product lines. In fact, only few brands release 13.3" e-ink tablets; BOOX is the top 1 brand due to flexibility and performance.
I love eink! Cannot wait to see it incorporated into more things in our life
Honestly, what does e-ink do better than regular LCDs?
I've honestly no clue
@@tomppeli. Way better battery life and it does not require a backlight, meaning it is better for your eyes.
@@tomppeli. contrast as well as power consumption, being reflective and not emissive it also "blends" in better with the environment
@@tomppeli. You only need to use electricity to update the screen. So your powerdraw is low when reading.
@@Tantive Unless there's a backlight, the power draw is *zero* when reading, and if the power to the display is cut the image will remain on it unchanged for weeks if not months. Most e-ink displays don't have a backlight and don't need one. It's perfect for displays that need to be on all the time with rare updates (e.g. most IOT-type devices).
I've had a BOOX Note Air 2+ for several months and love it. I can imagine the Tab Ultra is just as good.
I'm surprised he kept it the warm light setting on the entire time.
My favorite part of e ink is that if you turn the backlight off, you can see everything just as well, and it doesn't look like a yellow mess..
Wait, don't we get to see what books look like on it? What about PDF annotation? Like, features you might actually buy it for... 🤣
I am sure those work great. I have been using eink smartphone for a few years, way cheaper than this tablet combo...
I have their Nova Air C and love it cause of the color e-ink. Able to read my books, my sons, manga and comic.
the tablet is really nice but e-ink breaks easily, mine broke when i tossed it in my backpack, definitely use a sleeve case at the least
I've been using boox ereaders for a while now, none of the other major competitors can compete with the flexibility. Personally my daily driver is the nova air with the color screen, don't think I'll ever go back to traditional tablets. As someone who spends all day looking at screens for work it's amazing for eye fatigue and headaches, and for text-based daily tasks like email, taking notes, reading, text chatting nothing beats it imo.
The biggest downside of boox devices is the price, if taking a $300-$600 dive isn't something you can stomach grab a kindle or kobo that's a generation old just to try out the modern eink experience for ~$40, you won't regret trying.
I really like this a lot. I hope there’s more in the future. I still really want an e-ink monitor at some point and this seems like steps are going there.
Boox make eink monitors, but they aren't cheap.
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Watching this on my Samsung Note and amazed at how something I've been used to doing since my old Note 5 is being reviewed like it's new tech!!
Nice! I'd like you to have a comparative look at the remarkable2 as well.
Riley is so over it at the beginning and it’s hilarious 😆
This is actually ridiculously awesome. For sure going to buy something like this in the next year.
It's not ridiculously awesome, it's interesting and potentially good for some people. Why can't people use normal adjectives anymore? Where do you go after "ridiculously awesome"? Or is this literally the most exciting thing you've ever seen in your life?
@@andoletube I would literally nuke the earth to embers to get my hands on this
@@jakeharms1386 Well, I'm glad you're not in charge of the launch codes then! lol.
I like how they blanked out the network list on one scene but forgot to do it in the next.
had a boox note 2
ended up selling it because the 1Hz refresh rate of eink and constant ghosting REALLY grates on you after a few weeks
lmfao I think they want you to pronounce it like "books" -- but it's hilarious that you keep saying booox. Love it.
I’m in seminary and am considering one of these for the logos app for my books
I still think the best form factor for e-ink devices is to be double sided like the yotaphone. This gives you one device that can excel at everything instead of needing two expensive devices, just so that one of them is easier on the eyes to read on.
Another potential option I do not see is an e-ink tablet that has no onboard processing, but rather has bluetooth or wifi streaming from your phone.
0:41 “The product is a android tablet “ turn me off faster than the boox refreshes
Liked the showing of the product but would have preferred to see some EPUB text or PDF with images or .CBZ file examples which are the main uses of this type of device, and also why no mention about battery life? You mention battery life for laptops and ipads but not this tablet with a low power display?
This Shortcircuit is like reviewing a laptop by plugging it in turning it on but then never opening the screen.
I actually read Problems of Philosophy for a class two semesters ago. It's honestly a great read!
I use this with a Keychron K4 for SSH sessions to develop in Vim. It's really nice, maybe not $600 nice, but it is easy on the eyes. Kind of like coding on a newspaper.
I have a Poke 3 and I love it. Great to see Boox products being reviewed here!
Love how he starts reading Bertrand Russell
I'm basically waiting for the C version of this tablet (full color display). That's a dream product for me, and would be incredibly useful for me.
The settings that you're reviewing are the same settings that applied science was paid to research. He put out a whole UA-cam video about it too.
'Gaming on the E-ink'
Are you kidding me 🤯
Wow, I love that at *4:30* the Right side IO lists a TF/SD card reader. TF as in TransFlash. Anyone remember that?
I really want a colour e-ink tablet for things like magazines, comics, or text books. Would be so much less space than paper versions of these things. Given the type of media I would not care about refresh speeds for such things. Currently a tablet would do fine, but with the bright screen would be more eye strainy than an e-ink version. So far I've not seen great things on colour e-ink and no one seems to make a proper product, so I guess I'll just keep hoping
Using the "warm" backlight makes it look like you're using a giant Game Boy screen lol