13:30 I think having a stronger spring for analog is better for making very fine controls on the contrary. It allows you to control small adjustments much better than a lighter spring where a slight push and the stick is already at the edge. The downside is that your thumb tire out faster but generally its negligable in this scenario.
You may "think" that in your imaginary scenario, but that's simply not how it WORKS, in the factual world. Source; I've ACTUALLY USED THE Fuckin' THING.
@@BluntyTV probably comes down to preference. I like the feel of the stronger springs and apples to apples against my Xbox controller I feel like I have better control. Might not be everyone's experience but I like good firm feedback.
It's literally the opposite of that. Most people do like stiff springs and triggers, but it's for fast activation's sake, at the detriment of precision. A loose spring allows more precision, this is an objective fact.
I literally just ordered one of these today. I felt the same about the 8Bitdo Pro 2 and its' verticality initially, but I got used to it after a week, and now it feels like butter. All of your downsides are completely subjective; they maybe your 'truths', but not everybody else's. The compromise of having 'mushier; analog triggers on Switch is well worth it for the extra compatibility for the PC in my books. I am looking forward to trying it out, and suggest others make up their own minds too. All told though, thanks for the review, it's always interesting hearing another opinion :)
I bought the controller and I'm super hyped but I'm glad to see a review that is properly going over some negatives instead of glossing over them like some of the other reviews I've watched.
The original Dreamcast control stick used hall-effect sensors. Made it really smooth and long lasting. I have an original DC gamepad that still works perfectly to this day. Took it apart to clean recently.
I've seen a few people complain about the vertical nature of the gross and how it hurts their wrists, but I can honestly say, I have no issues, and if it wasn't brought up in reviews,I wouldn't have noticed. I, too, would have liked hair trigger locks to mashes the analog triggers more like the pro controller's, but I got around that by maxing out the dead zone in the triggers. The center buttons don't bother me, and you are actually the first reviewer who's said their placement is an issue. I actually saw one review effete they complimented their placement. To each their own, though. Also, I really appreciate the shorter throw distance of the sticks. I haven't seen the throw distance really addressed in any other review, so I like that you addressed it, even if I disagree with you. In fact, all my friends and family members, whom are all tech needs and gamers too, all like the sticks better than the actual switch controller's. Again, too each their own. I also think this controller has the most perfect d-pad of any controller, the recessed nature again feels great to me, as it's the snappiest and most precise d-pad I've ever used. No imprecise hits when using it. Homely, this is my new main controller and may be the best controller I've used, outside of a couple of nit picks, like the "no hair trigger locks" and only having two back buttons
I ended up ordering an 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth and while you're right about the comfort issues I found that they're tolerable enough for daily use. Yeah, it's not as comfortable in the hand as a regular Xbox shell, but the controller itself is incredible and feature-packed. The accuracy of the thumbsticks, with "disable deadzone" option enabled, is unmatched. I can completely eliminate the deadzone on every game, or at worst lower it to 2% or 3%, and that allows incredible accurate micro-adjustments of the cursor position. I also find that the face buttons and the d-pad are exceptional, and incredibly well-made. Overall I find it's the best controller I've ever used, even better than the $200 Razer Wolverines I've bought over the years.
That's right, you get used to weirdly shaped controllers after a while. Initially I couldn't stand both the DS4 and the dualsense shape, but then I got used to it.
Thank you for this review; as I was on the fence about it. I really wanted this becaue of the 2.4 ghz connectivity (less input lag) for my Switch, but I didn't see many reviews. The only review I saw that mentioned the discomfort of holding it on Nintendo Life and that concerned me as 8bitdo has recently been making awesome controllers; but with hand or wrist cramping. And it wasn't because they were small, but it was the ergonomics. I will wait until they make a better one as this sounds like I would have returned it. Sad, because this controller had the best dock and 2.4 ghz hub solution i ever seen.
It's worth noting, I don't think it's possible to use the 2.4 ghz receiver on switch, according to another review I watched. It seems you can only connect this ultimate controller to the switch with Bluetooth
That's such a good point about Monster Hunter and digital l2 r2 triggers. Charge Blade represent! i have their older SN30 Pro model that i really love because of digital triggers and no "legs". this SNES controller shape has been good for me because i have smaller hands. One of the things that may be interesting to explore about the Ultimate is repairability. Previous models of 8bitdo controllers have really been big on being easy to open and repair. they even sell parts from their website.
I feel like this controller is pretty high A-tier for pc, which is what I intend to use it for exclusively, prior I'd been using the Elite Series 2 and man that thing is just a mess, literally every problem a controller can have outside of outright not turning on, so for me I anticipate this being an "ultimate" controller, all things considered.
i bought this controller for retro gaming (and as an extra controller for my switch) few days ago. It's the hall effect that got me into this. The brand is reputable and with a fair price, I just bought it without much digging. After playing around with it for a few days and watching several stand alone and comparison reviews, your review is really an HONEST review! I'll check if you have any comment before buying other accessories in the future!
I got the wired xbox version of the ultimate controller a few months back. I tried it a little and haven't really used it since. I definitely agree with you about the very vertical design, it really wasn't comfortable for my hands, especially compared to a Series X controller. An issue I had is probably just down to personal preference, but I wasn't a fan of the convex sticks. I prefer the concave xbox designs, where my thumbs sit "within" the top of the stick. But considering I got mine for $45 AUD compared to the $100 I spent on my Series X controller, I can't complain too much. Good HONEST review!
I’d really be interested in your thoughts on the KingKong 2 Pro by GuliKit - same company that makes these hall effect sensing joysticks. It’s my personal favorite Switch controller, and I just love watching hardware reviews from less praise-happy reviewers.
Thank you for covering how the shape feels! It looks similar to Switch in pictures but it's so hard to tell and nobody else talks about it. Probably a common question but have you had a chance to compare to the Gulikit King Kong Pro 2 shape?
This ultimate wireless is also sold in China, and from the forums and comments, I think they have a huge quality control issue there. For example, unsually loud noises when shaking, buttons get stuck, poor feel of the trigger, etc. There's even been a drama about the PR of 8bitdo claiming the unusual shaking noise was intended, only to backfire and change what they said. Now it would be *very* interesting if the quality control outside of China is good, because 8bitdo is, you know, a Chinese brand?
So, "8bitdo Fine controller" it is :) I think "Proper" Review would a good description. You seem to have a refined taste in gamepads, which is very relatable and much appreciated in reviews like this. The thing that bothers me the most with this controller (without having tried it) would be the unergonomic grip angle. Youre right; it doesnt look much worse than the Pro controller, but I can certainly imagine how it is. The placement of the system buttons may be odd, but atleast its an improvement over their previous one, the 8bitdo Pro2 layout which has the home button right underneath the thumb joint during regular gameplay. Stiff thumbsticks, now that would be a positive for me personally. Good mention either way. The dpad is interesting, considering how several other reviewers have called it the best dpad since SNES. It doesnt *seem* that recessed, but again I could imagine how it would feel odd. The led strip on charger... It seems powerful enough to illuminate a whole bedroom at night. Would that be a fair assessment? And about that 2.4g usb passthrough in the charging dock... does it also work when connecting the charging dock to the Switch dock, (also setting the Switch to wired controller)? Or is bluetooth the only way to communicate with the Switch?
Idk ergonomics are kind of subjective, right? I find the pro controller forces more of its weight on my middle, ring and pinky fingers than the ultimate controller because the pro controller’s body is angled more steeply and there’s less support from the steeper angle of the handles.
Since I got my Steam Deck, I LOVE the paddle buttons and gyro. I was searching for a PC controller with gyro and paddles and here we are! I think they sell face button replacements so you can get it with the standard xbox button layout for those of us who want that (me), which turns this controller from so close yet so far to "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" I'll be getting mine in a few days and the button replacements probably next month because something something shipping apocalypse. Seriously hope this is better than my LAST 8bitdo controller (an older version of the Pro 2 I believe. I HATE that layout (though I understand why it is that way) and it was buggy as hell using it on my phone. It's been collecting dust for years now).
For anyone curious, I've been very happy with the controller. Perfect PC controller for me since the face button swap. It has absolutely been a better experience than with my last 8BitDo controller.
Agreed that it should have the switch to set the trigger throw between normal and short. Combined with the software to set the sensitivity, I imagine it'd work much better than it did for me on the Xbox Elite controller (and the controller mod you did a while back). But if they're only going to have one, I'm glad it's analog triggers. I plan to use it on other platforms far more than I plan to use it on Switch and digital triggers would be a detriment. I remain baffled as to how Nintendo went from the GameCube triggers to digital triggers. Nintendo, doncha think it's about time you re-joined the rest of the industry and provided analog triggers? I made the mistake of buying Virtua Racing on the Switch eShop... Found it unplayable thanks to digital triggers. If Nintendo had a refund policy, I'd have gotten my money back. I'm glad to hear the dock works well. I had the official first party PS4 dock years ago... That thing was junk. Almost impossible to line up the controller correctly to get it to stay in, let alone charge. Nothing was built in to help guide the controller into the right spot. I think that piece of junk is still buried in a closet somewhere, it didn't stay in my set-up for very long. 18:22 - Oh that's very nice.
And seriously, why the heck can't PlayStation figure out battery life?! With battery life that poor, I'd rather they used AA's like Xbox does, at least then I can quickly swap in a fresh pair (of rechargeable AAs, buying single use alkalines is a big nope) and keep playing instead of having to suddenly wire my controller in. Oh and no, PlayStation fanboys, Sony Simps - buying a second controller to swap to when the battery dies is ridiculous and not at all a reasonable solution to the terrible battery life problem. The controllers need a bigger battery and/or less gimmicks draining said battery. Still don't know why PlayStation only gives the option to dim the LEDs instead of shut them completely off. I don't need them on. They don't do anything. None of them face the TV like they did on PS4 for the camera to see in the like three compatible games. Let me turn them off. The touch pad can show itself the door as well. I can't think of any games outside of PS4 launch window that used it as anything more than a giant button, and aside from Astro's Playroom it's been the same on PS5. Don't need that stupid thing taking up the center of the controller, draining battery to wait to detect touch. Remove it, and then give us back normal sized and easily pressed start and select buttons again. I can never find those tiny, scrawny things on PS4 and PS5 when I need them. Oh I guess I went and started ranting about PlayStation controllers too. Oh well. Stop getting it so wrong so I don't have to, Sony.
I like the Switch pro controller D-Pad less than the PS5 controller's D-Pad. I have't finalised on the 8BitDo's Ultimate (BT) controller, but I've liked it's performance in Celeste more than the above two options, and in Dark Souls 3 it allowed for quick and accurate menuing. It's definitely impressed me in this regard. Please pressure Sony on battery life, they can do better and it's mind boggling they choose not to. Your criticisms for the most are entirely on point. It's been a pleasant controller so far. The truth is in the use, I hope it continues to impress.
It’s an absolute shame that that video is so low in the algorithm. I had to scroll past nearly a dozen other reviews before finding this one, being the first that 1. Didn’t give it a super high A+ score 2. Criticized the comfort 3. Directly compared it to the PowerA Fusion Pro 4. Didn’t recommend it over the first party switch pro controller Very much appreciate seeing criticisms that counter the mainstream review talking points. My own switch pro controller has started drifting (after ~2000 hours of playtime over the last several years) and was considering this for the Hall effect sticks, but the verticality is definitely making me reconsider - I find the Xbox controller too wide for my natural grip and the switch pro a little too vertical. If it’s more vertical than the switch pro, then I can see there definitely being wrist issues down the line
I feel like most of the negatives expressed here are actually positives for me. If it happens to work well under GNU / Linux I may consider picking one of these up the next time one of my DS4s develop drift.
It presents as s standard x-input device over the USB dongle, so yeah, I can't see you having issues in Linux (though I have no clue if the software for customization would work under WINE etc)
Thanks for another Honest opinion good sir. Perhaps you could give the Gulikit KingKongPro2 OR the Zen Pro a look? Gulikit licenced the Zen Pro in the states, but out where you are you may have to grab the KingKongPro2. Basically it's a switch pro/ PC controller with hall sensors in the Xbox controller clone design style. From what I remember they DO have NFC and Gyro and programmable macro.
I'll be honest, I bought the GameSir G7 and it was super uncomfortable (despite being raved about by others; not Blunty). I held off buying the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth because of reviews like this. But in the end the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth is super comfortable for me. I'd suggest it's potentially a big hand (Blunty) vs small-medium hand (me) preference - among the other individual preferences.
I ordered my 2nd Ultimate, and it should be delivered tomorrow. I'm a long time SN30 and SN30+ user. Nowadays, I explicitly use 8bitdo controllers over Switch Pro or the Xbox controllers. It has the best of both worlds. Comfort is something you need to get used to, it also depends heavily on the type of game you are playing.
8BitDo's membranes are in my opinion the best ones out there when it comes to feeling like the old controller membranes from the 8- and 16-bit generation (not too stiff, not too mushy), but they're also the weakest. They break after a few months no exception. Discovered that a bit late though, now I have a NES-, SNES-, MD-, and Pro 2 controller from 8BitDo which have all been fitted with new (too stiff but durable) membranes. If they make their membranes more durable I'd wholeheartedly recommend their controllers for "retro" gaming!
Nobody has mentioned the grip differences besides you. That "slight" difference would make the controller nigh-unusable for me due to wrist issues. I can't use a gamecube controller for more than a few minutes without a flare up and this controller seems to have similar-ish ergonomics. For competitive smash though, the switch pro controller just isn't reliable enough out of the box. For people like me, the ergonomics of a controller is one of the most important aspects of it. Thank you for highlighting the grip differences, even if it might not have seemed like a huge deal.
Thats interesting because for me the gamecube controller is one of the most comfortable controller Ive ever used. The only issue with gamecube controller for are the sticks as they can be hard on the thumbs during intense gaming sessions while pro controller sticks are much softer. But the rest of the ergonomics when it comes to hands were perfect for me on gamecube.
OK my only criticism of this review is that on the ergonomic front controller shape is highly subjective I find xbox controllers far to narrow and the grip is painful for my fingers. The ps5 control fills my had well as does the dualshock 4. Hahaha I just got to the end I agree the ps5 controller has terrible battery life. But otherwise I don't mind the dpad it has the best triggers and the shape and weight distribution has the best hand feel for me.
I actually dont like the layout of the +- home buttons on switch pro controller because it causes me to sometimes accidentally press home button when I want to press + button. I much prefer it like its on the xbox/playstation where home/share butons are in the middle and +-(start/select) are on the sides so if the ultimate controller has them like that its actually a positive for me. For me its not meant to be replacement of switch pro controller but more like a versatile controller that I can use on both pc and switch because I game on both pretty regularly. So far the comfort is the only thing that makes me hesitate getting this controller. Everything else I like about it. I actually want the shoulder buttons to be analog because I would use it on pc a lot too. I like that you can easily switch between 2 devices (pc and switch in my case) without having to resync everytime and the charging dock seems its easy to dock it in without having to readjust it to make sure its docked in. So based on this review the only negative for me seems to be the comfort (which is actually a pretty big deal) but I like everything else about this controller so far including the things you see as negatives.
Have you been able to get a Gulikit King Kong Pro 2? I'm trying to find a more direct comparison between these two controllers, but haven't been able to find a reliable/ unbiased enough reviewer.
I agree rhe comfort takes some getting used to. And analogue triggers not being optimal for digital trigger input. Otherwise, the truth is this controller is top tier. And the hall effects, in my mind, outweigh the negatives. Will something come along and dethrone it in future? Almost certainly. Is it my favourite pro-style controller for Switch right now? 100%! (I've used it for months and months.)
Spot on review. The build quality is not what alot of creators are saying it is. It's lighter than a DS4 and dosen't feel as robust. I hope I can apply some eXtremeRate grips to make it fill my hands a little more so hitting the paddles dosen't feel like an effort. Still, the price is right and in this day & age, that really matters. I needed something with paddles since my Collective Minds Strike Pack finally packed it in after 5 (5!) years of service.
Asked 8bitdo earlier yesterday. The controller also uses the same old 8bitdo membrane pad under the ABXY, L1 and R1. I've been through three 8bitdo controllers and the pads of those buttons tend to rip, especially with more intense games. When they rip, they will get stuck sometimes or won't rise back up at all. The face button pads are easy to replace since they use pads similar to SNES controllers, but I don't know if there's a similar pad for the shoulder buttons and have just scavenged the pads from my older 8bitdo controllers. They apparently used to let you buy replacement pads if you live in the USA, but I don't know if that's true anymore.
They have replacement membranes on their shop, and if you look in their AliExpress store you can probably find them available with worldwide shipping options. While making sure they were still available I noticed they have Xbox layout AXBY buttons available now for the Ultimate controller.
Besides the main point, but I wonder why there are virtually no third party controllers for ps5. I'd like to get a couple more for couch co-op stuff, but the official controller is too steep to justify for just some times gaming.
Honestly the ergonomics was a deal breaker for me initially. I decided to stick with it and with use I acclimated to it. Gripping it less tightly helped a lot. Overall I've been very happy with it.
Because it is a Switch I assume it has Motion Controls but do they work on PC like the Switch Pro Controller Motion Controls do if I use something like BetterJoy?
Great review, just by looking at it i had fears about the handles being too vertical in the hands, and your review confirmed my fears , think I’ll avoid.
Informative, and enjoyable. I've been considering a new controller for a while, I likely won't get this because those features are aspects that impact my controller use.
I have a ps5 and I don't have any significant complaints about the dualsense controller. Sure the d pad could be better, but I deal with it, because no other controller has the haptics and adaptive triggers that dual sense has, and the ergonomics are fine imo.
I wonder how hard it would be to actually mod the things you didn't like to make it "ultimate"? Also, the opposite, how hard would it be to mod a switch/xbox/ps5 (from the way you talk about it, very hard for ps5) to make it what you would want for a controller.
As someone that’s looking for their first Nintendo switch controller, do you think this would be a good buy? A bit of the cons is for using other controllers or the original switch layout and I’m not used to that so I’m not sure it’s really a big con for me. The only other controller I have/use is a ps4 one. I also play on PC (don’t use controller much) but it would be nice to have them both compatible with a switch and PC. I also like that it’s white since it’ll fit my Oled and it’s a bit more colour compared to the Nintendo switch pro controller.
the thing about the triggers is 8bitdo allows you to change it in the software from an analogue to a simple press. so that is not really an issue. (just have to find it in the software) outside of that, good review!
making the initiation distance shorter on an analog trigger IS, IN ABSOLUTELY ZERO WAYS, the same as a real short throw digital trigger. Not even CLOSE to the same feel.
@@BluntyTV oh then maybe I am thinking of the older software, I have a 8bitdo pro 2, and it a little strange but you can change it to only activate at the end of the trigger pull. maybe they pull that out in the new one. which makes me a little sad if that is the case. but again, great review.
Bro i love your honesty their I have the same controller but different color (the black one) . i see how big your hand is I bet its giving you more trouble in that department than me. I have small to average size hand and I had no issue with it. I also have xbox one, switch pro, and ps4 controller and your right that I can feel the difference at the start, but the more I use 8bitdo the more it start to feel natural. I still think its miles better than switch controller. I love how clicky the directional and regular buttons are. I played fighting games with it and it worked very well for me. I still think your review is spot on and these issues do exist especially if someone has a big hand. I have a dusty switch because i use pc more often and this work very well on Pc. I recommend you try rewasd app if you want it to connect bluetooth via pc. I believe this is the best controller with hall effect sensor, but i cant wait to see how kingkong 3 or the next version of this one will look like. I bet they will be worth a purchase
I'm not a fan of asymmetrical joystick placement. As much as I like this controller I feel like it isn't ideal for me when playing competitive multiplayer. Where my left thumb rests on the joystick, it's already in its natural position and I have to push forward/up more with my thumb to run, stretching it further, it just feels uncomfortable for my thumb/fingers/hand in my opinion. I'm a super-twitchy aggressive player and the symmetric joysticks are easier on my thumbs. You do get use to it over time if you've never really played a Xbox-style controller. The controller is very nice, has many uses, paddles, dock, I use it when playing solo games. Great for everything but hands down I would pick my DualSense for multiplayer. Problem with the DualSense is it's way too big for my hands. As much as I like controllers I still haven't found that "perfect" controller and I've tried many. Maybe someday I'll design my own. Thanks for the review!
I still have not seen a review that mentions clearly how the input works. Is it always switch input? Does the dongle work as x input on pc or still is read as switch?
Seems like if after this video, I am fine with every flaws pointed I should pull (analogue) trigger and buy it. Especially with budget for one controller for pc and switch. Thanks for being honest!
I got this today and played Nier Automata for 3 hours with it. And I had to choose between having wrist pain or index finger pain. I think I'm gonna return it. It's just a terrible experience to hold it in my hands.
8-bitdo are usually good on d-pad so I'm surprised they got a fail on this one. Alas, I'm looking into Hall-effect controllers to replace my Pro controller and so far nothing has impressed me.
Thinking about different sensor mechanisms in thumbsticks, am I right in recalling the N64 used some sort of optical tracking? It's been a while since I had an N64 controller apart, but I'm pretty sure last time I replaced the stick on one (cos let's face it, that was really a consumable component) that it had some kind of gated comb on it that sat in a slot, definitely not a potentiometer. I'm gonna have to go search that up now and see! This controller certainly seems like an interesting piece of kit, particularly if you jump back and forth between different platforms, but I already own too many blasted controllers as it is 😂 I don't need to go adding more! (Also, having scanned the comments already... are we just not talking about that extreme closeup? 😝)
I have a power a fusion pro 2 I bought for use with my pc. And I found out not long ago, it has 2 huge weights in it to make it heavier and feel more premium. That powera controller might be the same. It was around 50g worth of weight. They were easy to remove too. Might wanna open it and see if you can remove them like I did. Worlds better without the crappy extra weight.
a fair review, I agree on preferring digital triggers. Other than that I don't have an issue with anything you mentioned. In fact the only thing keeping this controller from being "Ultimate" to me is the complete lack of gyro control on PC. I absolutely love gyro control and to have a controller that has functional gyro on Switch that is disabled on PC is absolutely ridiculous, especially for its price. The Switch Pro-Con and even the DualSense are arguably better controllers simply because gyro works on PC with little issue.
I spent 150 on the Xbox elite. It feels amazing but it’s garbage. Stick drift after 9 months, trigger buttons were double clicking out of box. Absolute trash. 8bit ultimate is so worth it. Better than the pro controller too
I just don’t understand 8bitdo’s thinking behind this ‘ultimate’ controller. Although it can work with a PC, it’s going to get used more as a Switch controller, but you don’t get HD Rumble or NFC. Also, not having digital triggers is actually a problem. So, it’s clearly not the best for Switch and because of the face button layout it’s not great for PC use either. So what makes it ultimate? Quick question, can it turn the Switch on?
Who knows maybe they are watching this and make ultimate 2 to address the angle, + and - buttons placement, switchable analog and digital shoulder button trigger.
about the trigger, bought 8bitdo ultimate just for that and can connect to switch... while my flydigi apex 2 cant do both.... apex 2 is for pc and mobile... but it has digital trigger.. bummer, wouldve been perfect if it can connect to switch OR have analog triggers
I don't have a dog in the fight, but I only hear good things about the PS5 controller. I'm PC only these days. I'm using a Power A controller and have the same "drifting" issue.
Damn really coming for the dual sense enjoyers out there lol Thanks for the honest review; the difference in hand feel from the pro to this is vital info so you get a like just for that point alone.
Thanks for this review, great work! I was considering getting this, hoping it'd be an improvement to my Pro 2 controller, but it sounds like it's the same or worse so I cancelled my order. I don't like how tight the thumbsticks are on those either. And it seems like this 'ultimate' controller has a lot of limitations or poor design choices, especially for the price. It does look nice, but usability is more important!
I'm quite happy with mine. I've also had other 8-bit do controllers and haven't experienced the membrane issues others have reported, but maybe I'm just lucky. I haven't tried a side-by-side comparison with my Switch Pro, and I don't feel an overwhelming need to since I got the Ultimate primarily for PC gaming, but I would appreciate being able to use it as a 2p Switch controller if the necessity arose.
I took the weights out of my Fusion Pro. Much better to use that way. Not to much of a fan of the left thumb stick either, but not much of a hindrance. Mine gets stuck to the face plate when pushing it up. It was nice for like an auto run/climb feature in Dauntless and BotW. 🤣 I’d buy the Gulikit KKP2 before this controller though.
Nice honest and informative review. I have one on the way, gonna try it on my Linux setup. I'm mostly looking for an alternative for playing Rivals of Aether. I'm still trying to divorce the gamecube controller but I have a feeling I'm chained to it forever. Panda controller *sigh*....
I always appreciate your reviews. I think the sega dreamcast had a similar if not the same technology for its controllers. you have now made me curious what other controllers use the same technology.
Sega did indeed use Hall effect sensors... in the Triggers too. Why it didn't INSTANTLY became industry standard I'll never understand - but it's a safe bet it saved, like, 0.2 cents per controller or something petty.
@@BluntyTV Saved 0.2 cents per controller, but then they pack these controllers full of other pointless gimmicks. If Sony for example wants to save 0.2 cents per controller, give me hall effect sensors but remove the stupid microphones that nobody should be using during online gaming. But really it's not about saving 0.2 cents per controller. It's about making however much profit they make on a controller sale from people having to buy new controllers after the analog sticks in their previous one wore out. Although I'm sure they're enjoying the 0.2 cents as well.
There is a reason I always come to you for tech reviews & have done for years. I recently started using Huel products & the only videos I saw on it that didn't feel like some disingenuous attempt to sell me something was Little Tipple's "Normal Person's Review" series. Sure sometimes people say "honest" when its anything but. But the genuine reviews always have a very different feel to the "OMG GUYS THIS IS SO AMAZING" fake enthusiasm bullshit everything else has. So don't worry about being passive aggressive. We all know what you mean & its less likely to start needless drama.
A decent Mic, having it set up correctly, and good mic technique. I've done no sound treatment of the room. You'll notice a lot of others do it the other way, lots of those expensive little foam panels, but no idea how to even set up their mic properly much less use it correctly in the first place. Drives me NUTS.
I generally prefer the PlayStation controller, but I can't argue about the Dpad being terrible, I wish they went with a Dpad more like the Xbox, I usually switch to my Xbox controller whenever I'm playing platformers or fighting games and use the PlayStation controller for everything else
I agree with some of the suff that you pointed out, The angles do feel a little bit awkward, and I can see that becoming an issue in a long play session, also the D-pad is not my favorite, but I'll take almost anything instead of the original one on the switch pro controller. The triggers are something that takes some time to get used to aswell. Something I like a lot are the hall effect joysticks and the fact that I feel zero to none input lag on this controller, that feature alone almost makes up for the other stuff. When comparing the Gulikit King Kong pro 2, I had to send it back, I don't know If I got a defective unit, but the input lag was very noticeable, and I don't like it at all for that sole reason.
I really don't like the PS5 controller, my 3080 broke and while I had it sent in to have it replaced I was doing my daily quests for Genshin Impact on my PS5, which also meant having to use the PS5 controller, doing my daily quests takes me 15-30 minutes and that was enough to just make my hands feel sore and exhausted. As a result, I just never use my PS5, I've asked on reddit if anyone knows of a good third party controller that would fix this problem for me, but no, instead I was accused of lying, so, yeah.. great..
If only the face button caps are swappable (I mostly play on PC, but I'd rather got for hall effect sensors than potentiometer sticks that will drift after a while)
How's the Rumble of this controller while using it with Nintendo Switch? I ask because on the 8Bitdo pro2 that I have, its Rumble is super weak sometimes I cant notice it while playing Persona 5 Royal and some other game.
It's funny when you hold up the PowerA controller and it has the exact same lobe shape and angle as the 8bitdo Ultimate, right after you complained about it.
Unrelated to the video, your accent is very curious to me... what part of Australia are you from? Some words with ending 'r' you pronounce in a very rhotic fashion, but then others it sounds non-rhotic in the way I associate Australian accents with. 😂 Just curious!
Gulikit KingKong2 Pro vs 8Bitdo Ultimate - Controller Showdown ua-cam.com/video/cqkrkeAs4Lo/v-deo.html
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I think having a stronger spring for analog is better for making very fine controls on the contrary. It allows you to control small adjustments much better than a lighter spring where a slight push and the stick is already at the edge. The downside is that your thumb tire out faster but generally its negligable in this scenario.
You may "think" that in your imaginary scenario, but that's simply not how it WORKS, in the factual world. Source; I've ACTUALLY USED THE Fuckin' THING.
@@BluntyTV probably comes down to preference. I like the feel of the stronger springs and apples to apples against my Xbox controller I feel like I have better control. Might not be everyone's experience but I like good firm feedback.
I agree, after 1 week of use. Id say it gives me better precision.
It's literally the opposite of that. Most people do like stiff springs and triggers, but it's for fast activation's sake, at the detriment of precision.
A loose spring allows more precision, this is an objective fact.
I literally just ordered one of these today. I felt the same about the 8Bitdo Pro 2 and its' verticality initially, but I got used to it after a week, and now it feels like butter. All of your downsides are completely subjective; they maybe your 'truths', but not everybody else's. The compromise of having 'mushier; analog triggers on Switch is well worth it for the extra compatibility for the PC in my books. I am looking forward to trying it out, and suggest others make up their own minds too. All told though, thanks for the review, it's always interesting hearing another opinion :)
I have 4 of these controllers now and really like them
I bought the controller and I'm super hyped but I'm glad to see a review that is properly going over some negatives instead of glossing over them like some of the other reviews I've watched.
The original Dreamcast control stick used hall-effect sensors. Made it really smooth and long lasting. I have an original DC gamepad that still works perfectly to this day. Took it apart to clean recently.
not just the stick. Triggers used hall effect too.
I've seen a few people complain about the vertical nature of the gross and how it hurts their wrists, but I can honestly say, I have no issues, and if it wasn't brought up in reviews,I wouldn't have noticed.
I, too, would have liked hair trigger locks to mashes the analog triggers more like the pro controller's, but I got around that by maxing out the dead zone in the triggers.
The center buttons don't bother me, and you are actually the first reviewer who's said their placement is an issue. I actually saw one review effete they complimented their placement. To each their own, though.
Also, I really appreciate the shorter throw distance of the sticks. I haven't seen the throw distance really addressed in any other review, so I like that you addressed it, even if I disagree with you. In fact, all my friends and family members, whom are all tech needs and gamers too, all like the sticks better than the actual switch controller's. Again, too each their own.
I also think this controller has the most perfect d-pad of any controller, the recessed nature again feels great to me, as it's the snappiest and most precise d-pad I've ever used. No imprecise hits when using it.
Homely, this is my new main controller and may be the best controller I've used, outside of a couple of nit picks, like the "no hair trigger locks" and only having two back buttons
I ended up ordering an 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth and while you're right about the comfort issues I found that they're tolerable enough for daily use. Yeah, it's not as comfortable in the hand as a regular Xbox shell, but the controller itself is incredible and feature-packed. The accuracy of the thumbsticks, with "disable deadzone" option enabled, is unmatched. I can completely eliminate the deadzone on every game, or at worst lower it to 2% or 3%, and that allows incredible accurate micro-adjustments of the cursor position. I also find that the face buttons and the d-pad are exceptional, and incredibly well-made. Overall I find it's the best controller I've ever used, even better than the $200 Razer Wolverines I've bought over the years.
That's right, you get used to weirdly shaped controllers after a while. Initially I couldn't stand both the DS4 and the dualsense shape, but then I got used to it.
Thank you for this review; as I was on the fence about it. I really wanted this becaue of the 2.4 ghz connectivity (less input lag) for my Switch, but I didn't see many reviews. The only review I saw that mentioned the discomfort of holding it on Nintendo Life and that concerned me as 8bitdo has recently been making awesome controllers; but with hand or wrist cramping. And it wasn't because they were small, but it was the ergonomics. I will wait until they make a better one as this sounds like I would have returned it. Sad, because this controller had the best dock and 2.4 ghz hub solution i ever seen.
It's worth noting, I don't think it's possible to use the 2.4 ghz receiver on switch, according to another review I watched. It seems you can only connect this ultimate controller to the switch with Bluetooth
That's such a good point about Monster Hunter and digital l2 r2 triggers. Charge Blade represent! i have their older SN30 Pro model that i really love because of digital triggers and no "legs". this SNES controller shape has been good for me because i have smaller hands. One of the things that may be interesting to explore about the Ultimate is repairability. Previous models of 8bitdo controllers have really been big on being easy to open and repair. they even sell parts from their website.
I feel like this controller is pretty high A-tier for pc, which is what I intend to use it for exclusively, prior I'd been using the Elite Series 2 and man that thing is just a mess, literally every problem a controller can have outside of outright not turning on, so for me I anticipate this being an "ultimate" controller, all things considered.
i bought this controller for retro gaming (and as an extra controller for my switch) few days ago. It's the hall effect that got me into this. The brand is reputable and with a fair price, I just bought it without much digging. After playing around with it for a few days and watching several stand alone and comparison reviews, your review is really an HONEST review! I'll check if you have any comment before buying other accessories in the future!
I got the wired xbox version of the ultimate controller a few months back. I tried it a little and haven't really used it since. I definitely agree with you about the very vertical design, it really wasn't comfortable for my hands, especially compared to a Series X controller. An issue I had is probably just down to personal preference, but I wasn't a fan of the convex sticks. I prefer the concave xbox designs, where my thumbs sit "within" the top of the stick. But considering I got mine for $45 AUD compared to the $100 I spent on my Series X controller, I can't complain too much. Good HONEST review!
I’d really be interested in your thoughts on the KingKong 2 Pro by GuliKit - same company that makes these hall effect sensing joysticks. It’s my personal favorite Switch controller, and I just love watching hardware reviews from less praise-happy reviewers.
Thank you for covering how the shape feels! It looks similar to Switch in pictures but it's so hard to tell and nobody else talks about it. Probably a common question but have you had a chance to compare to the Gulikit King Kong Pro 2 shape?
Thanks. Yours is the only review I’ve seen (so far) that raised concerns on the triggers and the button placements.
This ultimate wireless is also sold in China, and from the forums and comments, I think they have a huge quality control issue there. For example, unsually loud noises when shaking, buttons get stuck, poor feel of the trigger, etc. There's even been a drama about the PR of 8bitdo claiming the unusual shaking noise was intended, only to backfire and change what they said.
Now it would be *very* interesting if the quality control outside of China is good, because 8bitdo is, you know, a Chinese brand?
So, "8bitdo Fine controller" it is :)
I think "Proper" Review would a good description. You seem to have a refined taste in gamepads, which is very relatable and much appreciated in reviews like this.
The thing that bothers me the most with this controller (without having tried it) would be the unergonomic grip angle. Youre right; it doesnt look much worse than the Pro controller, but I can certainly imagine how it is.
The placement of the system buttons may be odd, but atleast its an improvement over their previous one, the 8bitdo Pro2 layout which has the home button right underneath the thumb joint during regular gameplay.
Stiff thumbsticks, now that would be a positive for me personally. Good mention either way.
The dpad is interesting, considering how several other reviewers have called it the best dpad since SNES. It doesnt *seem* that recessed, but again I could imagine how it would feel odd.
The led strip on charger... It seems powerful enough to illuminate a whole bedroom at night. Would that be a fair assessment?
And about that 2.4g usb passthrough in the charging dock... does it also work when connecting the charging dock to the Switch dock, (also setting the Switch to wired controller)?
Or is bluetooth the only way to communicate with the Switch?
Idk ergonomics are kind of subjective, right? I find the pro controller forces more of its weight on my middle, ring and pinky fingers than the ultimate controller because the pro controller’s body is angled more steeply and there’s less support from the steeper angle of the handles.
Since I got my Steam Deck, I LOVE the paddle buttons and gyro. I was searching for a PC controller with gyro and paddles and here we are! I think they sell face button replacements so you can get it with the standard xbox button layout for those of us who want that (me), which turns this controller from so close yet so far to "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!" I'll be getting mine in a few days and the button replacements probably next month because something something shipping apocalypse. Seriously hope this is better than my LAST 8bitdo controller (an older version of the Pro 2 I believe. I HATE that layout (though I understand why it is that way) and it was buggy as hell using it on my phone. It's been collecting dust for years now).
For anyone curious, I've been very happy with the controller. Perfect PC controller for me since the face button swap. It has absolutely been a better experience than with my last 8BitDo controller.
Agreed that it should have the switch to set the trigger throw between normal and short. Combined with the software to set the sensitivity, I imagine it'd work much better than it did for me on the Xbox Elite controller (and the controller mod you did a while back). But if they're only going to have one, I'm glad it's analog triggers. I plan to use it on other platforms far more than I plan to use it on Switch and digital triggers would be a detriment.
I remain baffled as to how Nintendo went from the GameCube triggers to digital triggers. Nintendo, doncha think it's about time you re-joined the rest of the industry and provided analog triggers? I made the mistake of buying Virtua Racing on the Switch eShop... Found it unplayable thanks to digital triggers. If Nintendo had a refund policy, I'd have gotten my money back.
I'm glad to hear the dock works well. I had the official first party PS4 dock years ago... That thing was junk. Almost impossible to line up the controller correctly to get it to stay in, let alone charge. Nothing was built in to help guide the controller into the right spot. I think that piece of junk is still buried in a closet somewhere, it didn't stay in my set-up for very long.
18:22 - Oh that's very nice.
And seriously, why the heck can't PlayStation figure out battery life?! With battery life that poor, I'd rather they used AA's like Xbox does, at least then I can quickly swap in a fresh pair (of rechargeable AAs, buying single use alkalines is a big nope) and keep playing instead of having to suddenly wire my controller in.
Oh and no, PlayStation fanboys, Sony Simps - buying a second controller to swap to when the battery dies is ridiculous and not at all a reasonable solution to the terrible battery life problem. The controllers need a bigger battery and/or less gimmicks draining said battery. Still don't know why PlayStation only gives the option to dim the LEDs instead of shut them completely off. I don't need them on. They don't do anything. None of them face the TV like they did on PS4 for the camera to see in the like three compatible games. Let me turn them off.
The touch pad can show itself the door as well. I can't think of any games outside of PS4 launch window that used it as anything more than a giant button, and aside from Astro's Playroom it's been the same on PS5. Don't need that stupid thing taking up the center of the controller, draining battery to wait to detect touch. Remove it, and then give us back normal sized and easily pressed start and select buttons again. I can never find those tiny, scrawny things on PS4 and PS5 when I need them.
Oh I guess I went and started ranting about PlayStation controllers too. Oh well. Stop getting it so wrong so I don't have to, Sony.
I like the Switch pro controller D-Pad less than the PS5 controller's D-Pad. I have't finalised on the 8BitDo's Ultimate (BT) controller, but I've liked it's performance in Celeste more than the above two options, and in Dark Souls 3 it allowed for quick and accurate menuing. It's definitely impressed me in this regard.
Please pressure Sony on battery life, they can do better and it's mind boggling they choose not to.
Your criticisms for the most are entirely on point. It's been a pleasant controller so far. The truth is in the use, I hope it continues to impress.
It’s an absolute shame that that video is so low in the algorithm. I had to scroll past nearly a dozen other reviews before finding this one, being the first that
1. Didn’t give it a super high A+ score
2. Criticized the comfort
3. Directly compared it to the PowerA Fusion Pro
4. Didn’t recommend it over the first party switch pro controller
Very much appreciate seeing criticisms that counter the mainstream review talking points.
My own switch pro controller has started drifting (after ~2000 hours of playtime over the last several years) and was considering this for the Hall effect sticks, but the verticality is definitely making me reconsider - I find the Xbox controller too wide for my natural grip and the switch pro a little too vertical. If it’s more vertical than the switch pro, then I can see there definitely being wrist issues down the line
I feel like most of the negatives expressed here are actually positives for me. If it happens to work well under GNU / Linux I may consider picking one of these up the next time one of my DS4s develop drift.
It presents as s standard x-input device over the USB dongle, so yeah, I can't see you having issues in Linux (though I have no clue if the software for customization would work under WINE etc)
Crazy! I feel like the PlayStation 5 controller is the best for comfort.
Thanks for another Honest opinion good sir.
Perhaps you could give the Gulikit KingKongPro2 OR the Zen Pro a look? Gulikit licenced the Zen Pro in the states, but out where you are you may have to grab the KingKongPro2.
Basically it's a switch pro/ PC controller with hall sensors in the Xbox controller clone design style.
From what I remember they DO have NFC and Gyro and programmable macro.
I'll be honest, I bought the GameSir G7 and it was super uncomfortable (despite being raved about by others; not Blunty). I held off buying the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth because of reviews like this. But in the end the 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth is super comfortable for me. I'd suggest it's potentially a big hand (Blunty) vs small-medium hand (me) preference - among the other individual preferences.
I ordered my 2nd Ultimate, and it should be delivered tomorrow. I'm a long time SN30 and SN30+ user. Nowadays, I explicitly use 8bitdo controllers over Switch Pro or the Xbox controllers. It has the best of both worlds. Comfort is something you need to get used to, it also depends heavily on the type of game you are playing.
Does the receiver work on docked switch? Be it plugged in the dock charger or the USB dongle alone? Or does it work on PC only?
........ dude.... it works NAIVELY with the switch, you don't NEED the receiver for switch use. EVER. What you're asking is... DUMB
8BitDo's membranes are in my opinion the best ones out there when it comes to feeling like the old controller membranes from the 8- and 16-bit generation (not too stiff, not too mushy), but they're also the weakest. They break after a few months no exception. Discovered that a bit late though, now I have a NES-, SNES-, MD-, and Pro 2 controller from 8BitDo which have all been fitted with new (too stiff but durable) membranes. If they make their membranes more durable I'd wholeheartedly recommend their controllers for "retro" gaming!
I’ve had three 8BitDo controllers - two SN30 Pro+ for over a year and a Pro 2 much more recently - and none of the membranes have broken.
Will you please compare it to the Gulikit KingKong Pro 2 🙏
Nobody has mentioned the grip differences besides you. That "slight" difference would make the controller nigh-unusable for me due to wrist issues. I can't use a gamecube controller for more than a few minutes without a flare up and this controller seems to have similar-ish ergonomics. For competitive smash though, the switch pro controller just isn't reliable enough out of the box.
For people like me, the ergonomics of a controller is one of the most important aspects of it. Thank you for highlighting the grip differences, even if it might not have seemed like a huge deal.
Thats interesting because for me the gamecube controller is one of the most comfortable controller Ive ever used. The only issue with gamecube controller for are the sticks as they can be hard on the thumbs during intense gaming sessions while pro controller sticks are much softer. But the rest of the ergonomics when it comes to hands were perfect for me on gamecube.
OK my only criticism of this review is that on the ergonomic front controller shape is highly subjective I find xbox controllers far to narrow and the grip is painful for my fingers. The ps5 control fills my had well as does the dualshock 4. Hahaha I just got to the end I agree the ps5 controller has terrible battery life. But otherwise I don't mind the dpad it has the best triggers and the shape and weight distribution has the best hand feel for me.
I actually dont like the layout of the +- home buttons on switch pro controller because it causes me to sometimes accidentally press home button when I want to press + button. I much prefer it like its on the xbox/playstation where home/share butons are in the middle and +-(start/select) are on the sides so if the ultimate controller has them like that its actually a positive for me. For me its not meant to be replacement of switch pro controller but more like a versatile controller that I can use on both pc and switch because I game on both pretty regularly. So far the comfort is the only thing that makes me hesitate getting this controller. Everything else I like about it. I actually want the shoulder buttons to be analog because I would use it on pc a lot too. I like that you can easily switch between 2 devices (pc and switch in my case) without having to resync everytime and the charging dock seems its easy to dock it in without having to readjust it to make sure its docked in. So based on this review the only negative for me seems to be the comfort (which is actually a pretty big deal) but I like everything else about this controller so far including the things you see as negatives.
Have you been able to get a Gulikit King Kong Pro 2? I'm trying to find a more direct comparison between these two controllers, but haven't been able to find a reliable/ unbiased enough reviewer.
I agree rhe comfort takes some getting used to. And analogue triggers not being optimal for digital trigger input. Otherwise, the truth is this controller is top tier. And the hall effects, in my mind, outweigh the negatives. Will something come along and dethrone it in future? Almost certainly. Is it my favourite pro-style controller for Switch right now? 100%! (I've used it for months and months.)
Spot on review. The build quality is not what alot of creators are saying it is. It's lighter than a DS4 and dosen't feel as robust. I hope I can apply some eXtremeRate grips to make it fill my hands a little more so hitting the paddles dosen't feel like an effort. Still, the price is right and in this day & age, that really matters. I needed something with paddles since my Collective Minds Strike Pack finally packed it in after 5 (5!) years of service.
Asked 8bitdo earlier yesterday. The controller also uses the same old 8bitdo membrane pad under the ABXY, L1 and R1. I've been through three 8bitdo controllers and the pads of those buttons tend to rip, especially with more intense games. When they rip, they will get stuck sometimes or won't rise back up at all. The face button pads are easy to replace since they use pads similar to SNES controllers, but I don't know if there's a similar pad for the shoulder buttons and have just scavenged the pads from my older 8bitdo controllers. They apparently used to let you buy replacement pads if you live in the USA, but I don't know if that's true anymore.
They have replacement membranes on their shop, and if you look in their AliExpress store you can probably find them available with worldwide shipping options.
While making sure they were still available I noticed they have Xbox layout AXBY buttons available now for the Ultimate controller.
Besides the main point, but I wonder why there are virtually no third party controllers for ps5. I'd like to get a couple more for couch co-op stuff, but the official controller is too steep to justify for just some times gaming.
Honestly the ergonomics was a deal breaker for me initially. I decided to stick with it and with use I acclimated to it. Gripping it less tightly helped a lot. Overall I've been very happy with it.
Have you tried Gulikit Kingkong 2 Pro? I'd like to see you compare them both to each other
Because it is a Switch I assume it has Motion Controls but do they work on PC like the Switch Pro Controller Motion Controls do if I use something like BetterJoy?
Great review, just by looking at it i had fears about the handles being too vertical in the hands, and your review confirmed my fears , think I’ll avoid.
Informative, and enjoyable.
I've been considering a new controller for a while, I likely won't get this because those features are aspects that impact my controller use.
I have a ps5 and I don't have any significant complaints about the dualsense controller. Sure the d pad could be better, but I deal with it, because no other controller has the haptics and adaptive triggers that dual sense has, and the ergonomics are fine imo.
I wonder how hard it would be to actually mod the things you didn't like to make it "ultimate"? Also, the opposite, how hard would it be to mod a switch/xbox/ps5 (from the way you talk about it, very hard for ps5) to make it what you would want for a controller.
The magnet effect hall technology is also quite old it was used on the 1998 dreamcast gamepad
As someone that’s looking for their first Nintendo switch controller, do you think this would be a good buy?
A bit of the cons is for using other controllers or the original switch layout and I’m not used to that so I’m not sure it’s really a big con for me. The only other controller I have/use is a ps4 one.
I also play on PC (don’t use controller much) but it would be nice to have them both compatible with a switch and PC. I also like that it’s white since it’ll fit my Oled and it’s a bit more colour compared to the Nintendo switch pro controller.
the thing about the triggers is 8bitdo allows you to change it in the software from an analogue to a simple press. so that is not really an issue. (just have to find it in the software)
outside of that, good review!
making the initiation distance shorter on an analog trigger IS, IN ABSOLUTELY ZERO WAYS, the same as a real short throw digital trigger. Not even CLOSE to the same feel.
@@BluntyTV oh then maybe I am thinking of the older software, I have a 8bitdo pro 2, and it a little strange but you can change it to only activate at the end of the trigger pull. maybe they pull that out in the new one. which makes me a little sad if that is the case. but again, great review.
Bro i love your honesty their I have the same controller but different color (the black one) . i see how big your hand is I bet its giving you more trouble in that department than me. I have small to average size hand and I had no issue with it. I also have xbox one, switch pro, and ps4 controller and your right that I can feel the difference at the start, but the more I use 8bitdo the more it start to feel natural. I still think its miles better than switch controller. I love how clicky the directional and regular buttons are. I played fighting games with it and it worked very well for me. I still think your review is spot on and these issues do exist especially if someone has a big hand. I have a dusty switch because i use pc more often and this work very well on Pc. I recommend you try rewasd app if you want it to connect bluetooth via pc. I believe this is the best controller with hall effect sensor, but i cant wait to see how kingkong 3 or the next version of this one will look like. I bet they will be worth a purchase
I'm just looking for something to replace my aging Xbox 360 controller, I'm thinking of going for the 8Bitdo ultimate controller for PC gaming.
Thank you for reviewing this, I’m looking for a game pad for my iPad Pro but it’s a difficult search and your videos help. Thanks
12:46 I'm curious if the stiff joystick spring is to prevent the joystick from becoming sloppy due to the longer expected lifespan
stiffer springs usually means more pressure on pivots, more friction, and more wear
you've convinced me to buy it. Thanks.
holy crap I have never seen so many long comments in one place
hello, if I want, or the controller is discharged, can I play with the cable connected?
I'm not a fan of asymmetrical joystick placement. As much as I like this controller I feel like it isn't ideal for me when playing competitive multiplayer. Where my left thumb rests on the joystick, it's already in its natural position and I have to push forward/up more with my thumb to run, stretching it further, it just feels uncomfortable for my thumb/fingers/hand in my opinion. I'm a super-twitchy aggressive player and the symmetric joysticks are easier on my thumbs. You do get use to it over time if you've never really played a Xbox-style controller. The controller is very nice, has many uses, paddles, dock, I use it when playing solo games. Great for everything but hands down I would pick my DualSense for multiplayer. Problem with the DualSense is it's way too big for my hands. As much as I like controllers I still haven't found that "perfect" controller and I've tried many. Maybe someday I'll design my own. Thanks for the review!
You try the 8bitdo PRO 2 controller yet? Thats the playstation lay-out
I still have not seen a review that mentions clearly how the input works. Is it always switch input? Does the dongle work as x input on pc or still is read as switch?
Hint; it has analog triggers.
Seems like if after this video, I am fine with every flaws pointed I should pull (analogue) trigger and buy it. Especially with budget for one controller for pc and switch. Thanks for being honest!
Thanks for the HONEST review, those channels were raving about this.
I got this today and played Nier Automata for 3 hours with it. And I had to choose between having wrist pain or index finger pain. I think I'm gonna return it. It's just a terrible experience to hold it in my hands.
8-bitdo are usually good on d-pad so I'm surprised they got a fail on this one.
Alas, I'm looking into Hall-effect controllers to replace my Pro controller and so far nothing has impressed me.
The angles on the handles remind me of the dreamcast controller how they curved inwards
Thinking about different sensor mechanisms in thumbsticks, am I right in recalling the N64 used some sort of optical tracking? It's been a while since I had an N64 controller apart, but I'm pretty sure last time I replaced the stick on one (cos let's face it, that was really a consumable component) that it had some kind of gated comb on it that sat in a slot, definitely not a potentiometer. I'm gonna have to go search that up now and see!
This controller certainly seems like an interesting piece of kit, particularly if you jump back and forth between different platforms, but I already own too many blasted controllers as it is 😂 I don't need to go adding more!
(Also, having scanned the comments already... are we just not talking about that extreme closeup? 😝)
I have a power a fusion pro 2 I bought for use with my pc. And I found out not long ago, it has 2 huge weights in it to make it heavier and feel more premium. That powera controller might be the same. It was around 50g worth of weight. They were easy to remove too. Might wanna open it and see if you can remove them like I did. Worlds better without the crappy extra weight.
a fair review, I agree on preferring digital triggers. Other than that I don't have an issue with anything you mentioned. In fact the only thing keeping this controller from being "Ultimate" to me is the complete lack of gyro control on PC.
I absolutely love gyro control and to have a controller that has functional gyro on Switch that is disabled on PC is absolutely ridiculous, especially for its price. The Switch Pro-Con and even the DualSense are arguably better controllers simply because gyro works on PC with little issue.
the entire reason i want the controller is the dock, and when i saw the light strip i am sold.
It was very nice of you to not Linus them up and put them on the spot for their reviews lol.
I spent 150 on the Xbox elite. It feels amazing but it’s garbage. Stick drift after 9 months, trigger buttons were double clicking out of box. Absolute trash. 8bit ultimate is so worth it. Better than the pro controller too
I just don’t understand 8bitdo’s thinking behind this ‘ultimate’ controller. Although it can work with a PC, it’s going to get used more as a Switch controller, but you don’t get HD Rumble or NFC. Also, not having digital triggers is actually a problem. So, it’s clearly not the best for Switch and because of the face button layout it’s not great for PC use either. So what makes it ultimate? Quick question, can it turn the Switch on?
Hi, are the joystick clicks loud? Like are they as loud as ps4 clicks or Xbox? I hate when clicking on joysticks are so loud my friends can hear it 🤣
Who knows maybe they are watching this and make ultimate 2 to address the angle, + and - buttons placement, switchable analog and digital shoulder button trigger.
about the trigger, bought 8bitdo ultimate just for that and can connect to switch... while my flydigi apex 2 cant do both.... apex 2 is for pc and mobile... but it has digital trigger.. bummer, wouldve been perfect if it can connect to switch OR have analog triggers
does it work with Macos? i know, it says only Windows or Switch, but can it work somehow for Macos too?
You can set the analog triggers to low sensitivity in the ultimate software. Then they will react to a hair lol
REALLY not even CLOSE to the same feeling.
I take your word for it and stick with Pro 2. Thanks!
I don't have a dog in the fight, but I only hear good things about the PS5 controller. I'm PC only these days. I'm using a Power A controller and have the same "drifting" issue.
Damn really coming for the dual sense enjoyers out there lol
Thanks for the honest review; the difference in hand feel from the pro to this is vital info so you get a like just for that point alone.
15:04 that's why I got this controller. Got tired of accidentally hitting the home bottom.
As soon as i see you playing monster hunter with an charge blade i knew that of all reviews you are the right one to trust. hahaha
Thanks for the review, now I've decided to look away from this controller. Would you by any chance be reviewing the Gulikit King Kong 2 Pro instead ?
Thanks for this review, great work! I was considering getting this, hoping it'd be an improvement to my Pro 2 controller, but it sounds like it's the same or worse so I cancelled my order. I don't like how tight the thumbsticks are on those either. And it seems like this 'ultimate' controller has a lot of limitations or poor design choices, especially for the price. It does look nice, but usability is more important!
Is the Pro 2 worth it? Im contemplating on either this or the Pro 2
@@Langsu1yr666 Pro 2 has horrible stick accuracy, don't get it
I'm quite happy with mine. I've also had other 8-bit do controllers and haven't experienced the membrane issues others have reported, but maybe I'm just lucky. I haven't tried a side-by-side comparison with my Switch Pro, and I don't feel an overwhelming need to since I got the Ultimate primarily for PC gaming, but I would appreciate being able to use it as a 2p Switch controller if the necessity arose.
I took the weights out of my Fusion Pro. Much better to use that way.
Not to much of a fan of the left thumb stick either, but not much of a hindrance. Mine gets stuck to the face plate when pushing it up.
It was nice for like an auto run/climb feature in Dauntless and BotW. 🤣
I’d buy the Gulikit KKP2 before this controller though.
Nice honest and informative review. I have one on the way, gonna try it on my Linux setup. I'm mostly looking for an alternative for playing Rivals of Aether. I'm still trying to divorce the gamecube controller but I have a feeling I'm chained to it forever. Panda controller *sigh*....
I always appreciate your reviews.
I think the sega dreamcast had a similar if not the same technology for its controllers. you have now made me curious what other controllers use the same technology.
Sega did indeed use Hall effect sensors... in the Triggers too. Why it didn't INSTANTLY became industry standard I'll never understand - but it's a safe bet it saved, like, 0.2 cents per controller or something petty.
@@BluntyTV Saved 0.2 cents per controller, but then they pack these controllers full of other pointless gimmicks. If Sony for example wants to save 0.2 cents per controller, give me hall effect sensors but remove the stupid microphones that nobody should be using during online gaming.
But really it's not about saving 0.2 cents per controller. It's about making however much profit they make on a controller sale from people having to buy new controllers after the analog sticks in their previous one wore out. Although I'm sure they're enjoying the 0.2 cents as well.
There is a reason I always come to you for tech reviews & have done for years.
I recently started using Huel products & the only videos I saw on it that didn't feel like some disingenuous attempt to sell me something was Little Tipple's "Normal Person's Review" series.
Sure sometimes people say "honest" when its anything but. But the genuine reviews always have a very different feel to the "OMG GUYS THIS IS SO AMAZING" fake enthusiasm bullshit everything else has. So don't worry about being passive aggressive. We all know what you mean & its less likely to start needless drama.
your sound setup is great. idk if it’s the room or the mic or your voice or all three
A decent Mic, having it set up correctly, and good mic technique. I've done no sound treatment of the room. You'll notice a lot of others do it the other way, lots of those expensive little foam panels, but no idea how to even set up their mic properly much less use it correctly in the first place. Drives me NUTS.
Only for small hands i see 😁
What's about the rumble ? Not HD i think
Great review!
Hey bluntly, can you review the GuliKit KingKong 2 Pro Controller :D
I know what would be a good present for you sir... a PS5 Dual Shock controller!
I'm sure you'll be happy to have another one. xD
I generally prefer the PlayStation controller, but I can't argue about the Dpad being terrible, I wish they went with a Dpad more like the Xbox, I usually switch to my Xbox controller whenever I'm playing platformers or fighting games and use the PlayStation controller for everything else
I agree with some of the suff that you pointed out, The angles do feel a little bit awkward, and I can see that becoming an issue in a long play session, also the D-pad is not my favorite, but I'll take almost anything instead of the original one on the switch pro controller. The triggers are something that takes some time to get used to aswell. Something I like a lot are the hall effect joysticks and the fact that I feel zero to none input lag on this controller, that feature alone almost makes up for the other stuff. When comparing the Gulikit King Kong pro 2, I had to send it back, I don't know If I got a defective unit, but the input lag was very noticeable, and I don't like it at all for that sole reason.
I really don't like the PS5 controller, my 3080 broke and while I had it sent in to have it replaced I was doing my daily quests for Genshin Impact on my PS5, which also meant having to use the PS5 controller, doing my daily quests takes me 15-30 minutes and that was enough to just make my hands feel sore and exhausted.
As a result, I just never use my PS5, I've asked on reddit if anyone knows of a good third party controller that would fix this problem for me, but no, instead I was accused of lying, so, yeah.. great..
I have exactly the same feedback on this joypad. This is very sad as this has really nice features. Hones Review ++
I'd love to see your review of the gulikit kingkong 2 pro controller too
If only the face button caps are swappable (I mostly play on PC, but I'd rather got for hall effect sensors than potentiometer sticks that will drift after a while)
Honestly, this has been the most honest review of this controller. This controller is good, but not "ultimate".
How's the Rumble of this controller while using it with Nintendo Switch?
I ask because on the 8Bitdo pro2 that I have, its Rumble is super weak sometimes I cant notice it while playing Persona 5 Royal and some other game.
Good, thoroug review. 20% dislikes is huge, I guess you offended many viewers of the superficial/biased reviews.
It's funny when you hold up the PowerA controller and it has the exact same lobe shape and angle as the 8bitdo Ultimate, right after you complained about it.
Unrelated to the video, your accent is very curious to me... what part of Australia are you from? Some words with ending 'r' you pronounce in a very rhotic fashion, but then others it sounds non-rhotic in the way I associate Australian accents with. 😂 Just curious!
No it doesn't.
ua-cam.com/video/_0Xns7qEx2U/v-deo.html the accent