I fully believe he actually teleported, based on the reactions of the father and son onlookers and that Harry tapped into some connection with the Pale in order to do so.
Kim being mostly opposed to the teleportation plan for good and valid reasons, but also because teleportation would *clearly* require some sort of a device which you don't have on you, is just one of the many reasons to love him.
at first in my playthrough i didnt realize this was about them not having the budget to animate it, i think i missed that line, and i just thought "oh raphael just being raphael i guess"
It's because it's an impossible passive rhetoric check I'm not sure exactly how many points you need to past impossible passive checks but I think it's something like 8-12 points invested in any specific skill could be more though and honestly who invests that much into rhetoric anyway the point of this being such a hard check I would assume is because it's a secret message probably left in by one of the writers after the animators couldn't do it.
@@pisstacheio3800 nono, i had the rhetoric, i was all in on logic and rhetoric and encyclopedia, i just missed the line about animations cause i was up very late playing disco elysium
@@pisstacheio3800honestly, I think it's just one of the Final passive checks. Culmination of a skill. Right before the culmination of the game. I don't really remember these, honestly, but I remember impossible empathy check with Ruby, it even says only a truly empathetic cop would see this.
I fucking *love* the idea of Harry just sitting there in silence for a good few minutes before turning to Kim and saying "I need to teleport to this roof." And somehow Kim responds to that *seriously and with logic*
Limitations breeding creativity. Can't afford a basic ladder-climbing animation? Just do something even more impressive and write the shit out of that scene. Beautiful.
Not if the voice actors are family or otherwise coders/programmers in the studio already.... In the old days thats how most game voice acting was done by people in the office not professional talent. Hell I think I played a few games where they got their kids to do a few lines of dialog.
@@MarcusDarkstar they aren't, though. These were paid professionals for The Final Cut. They wrote the scene before deciding every last line was going to be voice acted.
Honestly this game does 4th wall breaks and out of character banter between the skills perfectly. Seeing Kim baffled at my constant running and how my erratic movement is referred to as the "jamrock shuffle" made me giggle.
@@screamingcactus1753 there's a line later in the game that described Harry as a "human tin opener" in reference to his people skills, makes me wonder if that line changes based on what archetypes/skills you choose.
Honestly I feel like "forget how to fall", while not inaccurate, does a bit of a disservice to Douglas Adams' writing. To quote directly; "There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." As well as a couple more paragraphs of wonderfully unique prose, but ultimately the funniest part in my opinion is how you have to intentionally try to miss the ground, but on accident. Trying with full intent to miss the ground ends up with you hitting the ground, and it takes much skill and luck to be able to be distracted appropriately to fail to hit the ground.
@@JacklynBurn thankyou for the full bit, I didn't try and be accurate as the full prose is beautiful and I wouldn't remember. It's been 15 years since I read that book but I've never forgotten how I felt reading it.
You know how sometimes you'll see a funny clip of a game online and decide to play it, only to be disappointed when it the rest of the game isn't nearly as good as the one part you saw? This is not one of those cases lol. The whole game is like this. It's incredible
My god. Play this game. If your brain tingled a little at that dialogue, you are going to mainline this game and be left gasping in the dark. I don't hesitate to say it's the best-written game I've ever seen. To say it's worth the price of admission and the play time, is an understatement so lavish they had to pass a sumptuary law just for it.
I love that there is a plot reason why Harry was able to easily climb the ladder with his eyes closed, even though it's just a random case of "we don't want to make an animation just for this scene"
Kim might be my favorite vidya sidekick ever. Dude is genuinely supportive even though all the shit Harry pulled, he never judges you, even though he knows how much you screw up. Broest of bros.
@@kalibos He's judging your actions, but when you screw up big time (like losing your gun or crashing your car) he's not a douche about it and he sticks with you.
The best part to me is that this gag works particularly great in this game given that many of the laws of physics in this universe **are** different from ours - things like the Pale, or the light distortion field spontaneously generated by the Ultra-High Net Worth Individual you can find at some point in the game. So you could still build up some anticipation that this would work for Harry. But he’s also a goof who makes shit up along the way :) Disco Elysium is beautiful.
Hate to break it to you but the light distortion field spontaneously generated by the Ultra-High Net Worth Individual is Harry *IMAGINATION*, when you tell Evrart about him Kim says "there is a guy in that empty container... minus light bending"
@@essa8557 I don't think that's the case, or at least the game doesn't make it explicit that this is all in Harry's mind (which wouldn't even make much sense to me since you see this before even talking him). There's even a dialogue between Harry and the man where he mentions this is an effect caused by the "Weiss-Wiesemann coefficient". But of course, you're entitled to your own interpretation of a game that leaves a lot of things open to it.
I've been hesitant on playing for various reasons such as lack of focus and general hesitancy not to save scum if I get bad rolls, but videos like this definitely push me more towards "just roll with it", "try it out in earnest", etc.
just rolling with it is definitely the right way to go. I also save scum a lot because I hate missing out on things, what you find out with this game it's often more fun failing in the most spectacular way possible rather than simply succeeding.
Wow, I played this game in so many different ways but I had no idea there's an impossible rhetoric check that basically directly tells you the reason of this whole scene :D
@@steampunkerella i don't know about you, but for me it shows a glitched picture, so i assumed it was wrong. Also first time seeing Disco Elysium, i have only heard about it.
I once told someone Disco Elysium made me feel stupid because I had trouble following the narrator. Someone else responded Disco Elysium was esoteric, but not hard to understand. Esoteric means hard to understand.
@@Iknowtoomuchable You literally sound just like this guy after I pointed that out: Obscure: adjective: difficult to understand No matter how many layers deep you go "esoteric" is a word that means "hard to understand" because at it's core that's what it _means._ Saying it's easy to understand if you have certain pieces of knowledge, like a certain environment, certain education, or certain friends is just splitting hairs. Something is difficult to understand specifically because you don't have the knowledge to piece it together, that's how knowledge works. So sure, if you say something is esoteric to people who aren't fans of women's basketball, frequenters of fan fiction forums, or competative cheesetasters then sure you've got a point, in that there is perhaps a much lower threshold for what makes a statement confusing. In _theory_ it could be explained easily to an outsider, but that fact doesn't make encountering it in the wild simpler and easier to process. More importantly, if detached from any other context you choose to use the word "esoteric" and only the word "esoteric" to describe something you have chosen to emphasize the depth of its opacity. You don't get to act all haughty about how "funny," or "weird," or "random" it is that anyone wouldn't get it
[Logic/Encyclopedia/Inland Empire] With things like the Pale, and that world being more like a "broken lens" rather then a sphere, then teleporting shouldn't be off the table. [Conceptualization] Maybe something like X-Men's Nightcrawler's power, and his teleporting sends him to another dimension (In Harry's case it could be The Pale) really fast then gets sent back some distance away.
This scene is funny but I actually dropped this game because of how much time and narrative is wasted on absolutely mundane moments (bad checks make this even worse).
@@dotXyoreye but you can do it as 1 or 2 throwaway line instead of this, it would have the same effect and not make it feels like "notice how smart we are, aren't you noticing us yet?"
@@XCATX25 Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It's definitely hamfisted. But also it's silly enough that I find it charming since not many games do that, especially regarding something as simple as ladder climbing.
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Kim putting out that cope energy while harry pulls the strings on reality for once instead of the other way around
I fully believe he actually teleported, based on the reactions of the father and son onlookers and that Harry tapped into some connection with the Pale in order to do so.
@@pikazooka they're just surpised how this detective of dangerous to health age managed to climb that rickety ladder without... *splat*
@@Finnishnat-conservativedot7126 you deny the mighty magicks of grand Sorcerer Raphael?
He bended reality to just end up there. However the witness' mind require an explanation, so they actually believe he climbed up the ladder.
The eldritch energies of the Pale are a pathway to abilities many find hard to comprehend.
Kim being mostly opposed to the teleportation plan for good and valid reasons, but also because teleportation would *clearly* require some sort of a device which you don't have on you, is just one of the many reasons to love him.
even his fantasy has rules 😂
Kim realised that you can't convince our dear detective with realistic reasoning, so he needed to dive into his world to find a way to stop him
@@xandernightmare4985thats just it
kim knew his worldview couldnt handle harys unconventional approach
he HAD to "stop him" as you say.
@@xandernightmare4985i didn't take it like that but you are totally correct. Regular logic hasn't worked on Harry prior might as well try his way
Maybe the ladder is the teleportation Device?
haters will tell you they saw you climb the ladder after you successfully teleport
Haters will see you teleport and say "he can't afford ladders"
Haters will see you teleport and say "he can't afford animations"
@@sylph4252 Hey! we're getting served the same content. The algorithm is lazy today...
@@Hangman11 oh hey, what other video did you see me under?
@@sylph4252 None i had a short with the same joke like "Haters will ... " before
at first in my playthrough i didnt realize this was about them not having the budget to animate it, i think i missed that line, and i just thought "oh raphael just being raphael i guess"
It's because it's an impossible passive rhetoric check I'm not sure exactly how many points you need to past impossible passive checks but I think it's something like 8-12 points invested in any specific skill could be more though and honestly who invests that much into rhetoric anyway the point of this being such a hard check I would assume is because it's a secret message probably left in by one of the writers after the animators couldn't do it.
raphael lmao
@@pisstacheio3800 nono, i had the rhetoric, i was all in on logic and rhetoric and encyclopedia, i just missed the line about animations cause i was up very late playing disco elysium
@@pisstacheio3800honestly, I think it's just one of the Final passive checks. Culmination of a skill. Right before the culmination of the game. I don't really remember these, honestly, but I remember impossible empathy check with Ruby, it even says only a truly empathetic cop would see this.
raphael? you must be thinking of King Mithridates VI Eupator of Pontus
I fucking *love* the idea of Harry just sitting there in silence for a good few minutes before turning to Kim and saying "I need to teleport to this roof."
And somehow Kim responds to that *seriously and with logic*
"He is restraining himself from using a parental tone with you right now"
Henry?
@@jikkybytt HARRY
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
@@testedhawkHenry Du'Bois, famous Harry sibling from the hit Sequel, Disco Inferno 2
@@jikkybytthuh, was called Disco Erebus 2 where I live. Is this one of those "Sorcerer's Stone"?
"Animating it would have robbed your imagination of the chance to create its own image"
they really sold that shit so well, that animation is literally not needed anymore. like, this game is a fucking masterpiece
Limitations breeding creativity. Can't afford a basic ladder-climbing animation? Just do something even more impressive and write the shit out of that scene. Beautiful.
i love how many skills are involved in this manoeuvre
we paid for the whole psychotic mental compartmentalization and we're gonna use the whole psychotic mental compartmentalization
Teleport off the roof and confront Kim for lying to you.
"You just climbed back down the ladder."
I never got that rhetoric check so I never realized this was so they wouldn't have to animate climbing up the ladder.
trant playing along, he's fucking great
but what if Trant saw you teleport?
and Kim's mind just refuses to see?
he's such a funny little guy
he probably witnessed an ancient detective ascend that destroyed ladder like its nothing, it is definitely an activity trant himself would not take on
he was shocked at the sight of the detective climbing the ladder with his eyes closed like a maniac
The internal monolog is so strong I actually believed for a bit that Harry could teleport
The cost of voice acting this whole scene is probably more than just having harry do a climbing animation
Not if the voice actors are family or otherwise coders/programmers in the studio already.... In the old days thats how most game voice acting was done by people in the office not professional talent. Hell I think I played a few games where they got their kids to do a few lines of dialog.
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message.
Because talking is expensive
@@MarcusDarkstar they aren't, though. These were paid professionals for The Final Cut. They wrote the scene before deciding every last line was going to be voice acted.
When they wrote this line most of the VA for the game was leftist podcasters who agreed to be in it for a goof
1:32 Lol, the mouse pointer doing the zoot zap pow crinkle motions was hilarious and adorable. 🤣
Honestly, I want to believe that Harry indeed teleported, but Kim failed his conceptualisation check.
it would make sence taking in account the reaction of the other man
@@elcatrinc1996or he saw a drunk police officer close his eyes and fumble to the ladder. Probably while muttering to himself.
@@RancorousSea most likely, but only because that is funnier
The writing is so gripping, it can make the task of climbing a ladder exciting.
What a thrill…
@@seriousdrawOf darkness - check! - and silence - check! - all around - check!
I can feel it gripping me!! 😩😩😩😩
I can feel the grip coming inside of me
@@albusjustalbus7988 And you thought Evrart was a hard boss
Every time I see this scene I just imagine Harry using instant transmission to get up the stairs
I mean hey, he already knows the Spirit Bomb and Kaioken. Why *shouldn't* he know another of Goku's moves?
@@purpleisthesneakiestUm both of those are from King Kai.
@purpleisthesneakiest
Goku: Hey King Kai, did I invent the Kaio-ken?
King Kai: My fucking *name* is in it.
but explicitly with the "pop" sound team fourstar uses for it
Inframaterialist problem solving at it's finest
Honestly this game does 4th wall breaks and out of character banter between the skills perfectly. Seeing Kim baffled at my constant running and how my erratic movement is referred to as the "jamrock shuffle" made me giggle.
I wonder if Kim comments on how much you run if you don't run at all during the first day
@@screamingcactus1753 there's a line later in the game that described Harry as a "human tin opener" in reference to his people skills, makes me wonder if that line changes based on what archetypes/skills you choose.
Oooh so thats what the jameock shuffle was. I had no idea
"Bob, that's neat and all, but in the time you wrote all this you could have animated it instead"
Kims will see you mastering the art of physical displacement and declare "he doth not have the budget to animate his climbing"
So great, this is almost like how flying works in the Hitchhiker's Guide series where if you 'forget how to fall' you simply fly
Honestly I feel like "forget how to fall", while not inaccurate, does a bit of a disservice to Douglas Adams' writing. To quote directly;
"There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
As well as a couple more paragraphs of wonderfully unique prose, but ultimately the funniest part in my opinion is how you have to intentionally try to miss the ground, but on accident. Trying with full intent to miss the ground ends up with you hitting the ground, and it takes much skill and luck to be able to be distracted appropriately to fail to hit the ground.
@@JacklynBurn thankyou for the full bit, I didn't try and be accurate as the full prose is beautiful and I wouldn't remember. It's been 15 years since I read that book but I've never forgotten how I felt reading it.
This video alone, with the shown narration and humorous dialogue, tempts me to buy the game.
It’s a phenomenally well-written and executed game. I’d highly recommend you get it.
You know how sometimes you'll see a funny clip of a game online and decide to play it, only to be disappointed when it the rest of the game isn't nearly as good as the one part you saw? This is not one of those cases lol. The whole game is like this. It's incredible
Please do!
My god. Play this game. If your brain tingled a little at that dialogue, you are going to mainline this game and be left gasping in the dark. I don't hesitate to say it's the best-written game I've ever seen. To say it's worth the price of admission and the play time, is an understatement so lavish they had to pass a sumptuary law just for it.
Do it! There's nothing else like it.
I love that there is a plot reason why Harry was able to easily climb the ladder with his eyes closed, even though it's just a random case of "we don't want to make an animation just for this scene"
Kim might be my favorite vidya sidekick ever. Dude is genuinely supportive even though all the shit Harry pulled, he never judges you, even though he knows how much you screw up.
Broest of bros.
To be fair, he does judge you, but passive aggressively. It’s hilarious.
@@AshofApocalypseYou know, it's true. But he's never an asshole about it.
@@AshofApocalypse as long as you dont call him a kip-
He judges you aaaaaall the time lmfao
@@kalibos He's judging your actions, but when you screw up big time (like losing your gun or crashing your car) he's not a douche about it and he sticks with you.
The delivery on Inland Empire's 'ASTRAL PROJECTION' makes it one of my favorite lines in the gams. Idk cracks me up everytime xD
The best part to me is that this gag works particularly great in this game given that many of the laws of physics in this universe **are** different from ours - things like the Pale, or the light distortion field spontaneously generated by the Ultra-High Net Worth Individual you can find at some point in the game. So you could still build up some anticipation that this would work for Harry. But he’s also a goof who makes shit up along the way :)
Disco Elysium is beautiful.
Hate to break it to you but the light distortion field spontaneously generated by the Ultra-High Net Worth Individual is Harry *IMAGINATION*, when you tell Evrart about him Kim says "there is a guy in that empty container... minus light bending"
@@essa8557 I don't think that's the case, or at least the game doesn't make it explicit that this is all in Harry's mind (which wouldn't even make much sense to me since you see this before even talking him). There's even a dialogue between Harry and the man where he mentions this is an effect caused by the "Weiss-Wiesemann coefficient".
But of course, you're entitled to your own interpretation of a game that leaves a lot of things open to it.
Non-believers will see a man teleport and think ‘they can’t afford to climb a ladder’
The narrator saying *ZOOT! ZAP! POW! CRINKLE!* is one of my favorite sounds in the game.
the cursor . brimming with personality
I mean. You could just say that it was a really slow teleport.
And it just looked like you climbed a ladder.
I use the same method to time travel to the end of my work shift.
I've been hesitant on playing for various reasons such as lack of focus and general hesitancy not to save scum if I get bad rolls, but videos like this definitely push me more towards "just roll with it", "try it out in earnest", etc.
just rolling with it is definitely the right way to go. I also save scum a lot because I hate missing out on things, what you find out with this game it's often more fun failing in the most spectacular way possible rather than simply succeeding.
**teleport**
ez clap, ggs ladder.
Wow, I played this game in so many different ways but I had no idea there's an impossible rhetoric check that basically directly tells you the reason of this whole scene :D
ASTRAL PROJECTION!
Bethesda style *climbing*
Don’t mind me, just watching a video about Sisyphus narrating my breaking of the laws of physics.
Voice sounded like sisyphus prime
They were both voiced by Lenval brown
the game is so good
And the name is...? 🤔
@@OrloxPhoenixdisco elysium. says it right there
@@steampunkerella i don't know about you, but for me it shows a glitched picture, so i assumed it was wrong.
Also first time seeing Disco Elysium, i have only heard about it.
I love this game so much and I love Kim even more.
How exactly is teleporting up to the roof ‘subtle’ Savoir Faire?
it makes everyone believe you climbed the ladder
Kim puts up with so much
I wonder how much money it took to voice act this
*opens eyes*
"so.. im now essentially a demi-god"
think smarter, not harder
Think smarter, not ladder
I love the mouse movements. Really adds to the story telling
It's like Harry making little magic habd waves
WHYD YOU SHAVE HIM
aerodynamics
@@JamrockHobo2nd By that logic, why stop at the beard? Shave the hair too. lol
@@FightingFoodonsFan so he flies straight the beard acts as Fletching.
"Please do not peel the lieutenant-yefroiter"
Ok, I gotta buy this now!
Say what you will Kim, but i DEFINITELY teleported up here!
While there were many parts in this game where I actually laughed, this scene by far got the best laugh out of me
I highly doubt it was 'like a regular person".
I love this game's humor
They squandered all their money on dance animations
"Who do we pay, the animation team or the voice actors?"
i laughed so hard at this part when i got to it, its one of my fave hahah
"Ah, a visitor"
This dimension, to hold... me?
FASCIST ARC!!! I see that 🫵
I once told someone Disco Elysium made me feel stupid because I had trouble following the narrator.
Someone else responded Disco Elysium was esoteric, but not hard to understand.
Esoteric means hard to understand.
Not really. Something being esoteric is more about the obscurity.
@@Iknowtoomuchable You literally sound just like this guy after I pointed that out:
Obscure:
adjective: difficult to understand
No matter how many layers deep you go "esoteric" is a word that means "hard to understand" because at it's core that's what it _means._ Saying it's easy to understand if you have certain pieces of knowledge, like a certain environment, certain education, or certain friends is just splitting hairs. Something is difficult to understand specifically because you don't have the knowledge to piece it together, that's how knowledge works.
So sure, if you say something is esoteric to people who aren't fans of women's basketball, frequenters of fan fiction forums, or competative cheesetasters then sure you've got a point, in that there is perhaps a much lower threshold for what makes a statement confusing. In _theory_ it could be explained easily to an outsider, but that fact doesn't make encountering it in the wild simpler and easier to process.
More importantly, if detached from any other context you choose to use the word "esoteric" and only the word "esoteric" to describe something you have chosen to emphasize the depth of its opacity. You don't get to act all haughty about how "funny," or "weird," or "random" it is that anyone wouldn't get it
you need a 12 IN RHETORIC for the animation line?! i thought mine was pretty good at 10...
☝️🤓 In fact, you just climbed the stairs with your eyes closed. Technically, it's not teleportation!
Logic [Formidable: Success]
Stairs???
Logic [Easy: Failure]
[Logic/Encyclopedia/Inland Empire] With things like the Pale, and that world being more like a "broken lens" rather then a sphere, then teleporting shouldn't be off the table. [Conceptualization] Maybe something like X-Men's Nightcrawler's power, and his teleporting sends him to another dimension (In Harry's case it could be The Pale) really fast then gets sent back some distance away.
I did it, Kim! I teleported!
TELEPORT THE LADDER
IS THAT SISYPHUS PRIME?????
They were both voiced by lenval brown
Is it me or this guy sounds like VA for Sisyphus from ULGRAKILL?
why is sussy aking v1 to climb labber? is he stupid?does he not know v1 can't climb benjamin ladder?
That’s because it is the same voice actor he’s called lenval brown
*ZOOT! ZAP! POW! CRINKLE!*
is that King Sisphyus ?????????
They were both voiced by lenval brown
Not to backseat but you should really put some points into Endurance and Volition. You're never gonna survive Evrart's chair with those stats.
Clearly Kim Kitsuragi hasn't heard of Nightcrawler the GOAT
I don’t know this game but is that sisyphus prime
Innovation that excites
No money to animate climbing a ladder. Somehow enough to write that entire script, pay the VAs to voice it, programmers to code it all.... okay.
Was simple few frame climbing animations that complicated to do?
I find this interaction way more amusing than watching a short ladder climb animation
Novel idea, but 5 minutes of dialog every time you climb a ladder will get old really fast.
This is the only ladder in the game, if I recall correctly.
Why does he sound like sisyphus prime
Am I crazy but I swear that o e of these sounds like sysaphus
It's the same voice actor
They’re both voiced by lenval brown
Very creative lmao
Isn’t it more expensive to record all these voice lines than just making a single animation?
maybe
The voice acting was added after the game released and made a boatload of money
what game?
How to write around a problem the good way
I want to play the game so bad now
What is it exactly (no spoilers pls)
hmmm
a detective mystery crime game, set in a phenomenal low fantasy world.
I am not the person who’s in the situation
bruh
What game is this?
youtube says its disco elysium the final cut. and it seems to be the case
@@bloodred255i don't know about you, but for me it shows a glitched picture, so i just assumed it was wrong.
Wouldn't it have cost them more to voice all these lines than to make a ladder animation?
maybe
The voice acting was added after the game released and made a boatload of money
Yeah, sure didn't have enough budget to animate climbing a ladder, but had enough for all of this voice acting.
I might be wrong, but I think a lot of this dialogue was added later with the Final Cut update after the fact.
The voice acting was added after the game made a ton of money
when you can afford to have an actor read the lines but not to have an animator create a generic climing animation that gets used on this one ladder
The voice acting was added after the game released and made a boatload of money
If they spent all the time they spent on that dialog for the workaround instead on the animation they could have had an animation.
This scene is funny but I actually dropped this game because of how much time and narrative is wasted on absolutely mundane moments (bad checks make this even worse).
The point I get a refund...
Commie propaganda
Hellyeah!
It's okay, you can be a filthy Capitalist in the game. Or even a disgusting fascist!
This game looks so incredibly stupid
It’s probably the single funniest game I’ve ever played
This is not funny, it draws so much attention to it that it becomes obnoxious. For what? Just fade to black anyway, who cares. Pretty pathetic
But my meta humor...
@@dotXyoreye but you can do it as 1 or 2 throwaway line instead of this, it would have the same effect and not make it feels like "notice how smart we are, aren't you noticing us yet?"
@@XCATX25 Yeah, I was being sarcastic. It's definitely hamfisted. But also it's silly enough that I find it charming since not many games do that, especially regarding something as simple as ladder climbing.
You have a poor sense of humour
man, you must be fun at parties, huh?
IS THAT SISYPHUS VOIC
this game is good at picking on itself
this might also be a reference to some other games, like Fallout 3, where Todd Howard said their engine couldn't support them
Then the brainlets are " wow that game is so deep!"