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  • Опубліковано 23 вер 2024

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  • @LGR
    @LGR 10 років тому +72

    I have been waiting for this video! Exceptional collection, and I really like how you put this video together. I really want to do something similar soon, you've definitely given me and extra kick in the butt towards that!

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  10 років тому +16

      I fully expect to see an action figure guarding your collection in your video too. Let's start a trend! :)

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  10 років тому +2

      KallaMigCP Thanks for the heads up about Reddit. I headed over there just now

    • @Lv28fighter
      @Lv28fighter 10 років тому

      Get on it LGR, I love your videos also. I am curious to see how big your collection is.

    • @V1VISECT6
      @V1VISECT6 10 років тому

      your videos are awesome... your my favorite person on youtube

  • @Barnacules
    @Barnacules 10 років тому +32

    This video brings back so many great childhood memories. Thank you Jesus! :P

  • @scottster8858
    @scottster8858 8 років тому +24

    Back in the 90s publishers included all kinds of neat "feelies" and awesome box art as a way to offer a better service than piracy. Now publishers include DRM that cripples their own products, is anti consumer, punishes paying customers, and worst of all fails to thwart pirates anyway. It's a clear demonstration of the shift from enthusiastic publishers, to greedy corporate publishers.
    Fortunately, the independent movement and the ability to self publish is gradually pushing PC publishing back into the realm of enthusiast.

  • @Barnacules
    @Barnacules 10 років тому +28

    Wow, I've literally played all of those Sierra games and most of the SSI games. Growing up with a 286/12 FTW!

    • @sinephase
      @sinephase 10 років тому +3

      back when it cost like $3k for a PC :P

    • @Mastermind12358
      @Mastermind12358 10 років тому +2

      sinephase
      Back when computers (PC's) literally doubled in power every 18months.

  • @CeetjeBeetje
    @CeetjeBeetje 10 років тому +8

    I'm not a collector, but I still have my big box C&C Red Alert and Aftermath expansion. I love that game!

  • @Riverhill
    @Riverhill 10 років тому +5

    Jagged Alliance 2 is my favorite game of all time, nice to see you have it in your collection aswell!

  • @bsquaredgamingchannel7626
    @bsquaredgamingchannel7626 10 років тому +1

    Great games, my friends and I would always get together and have LAN parties with our PCs... some great times and this really brings me back to those days

  • @jepicondyle
    @jepicondyle 8 років тому +7

    WHOA WHOA YOU WERE A MEMBER OF TRIP CYCLONE????? I loved that aspect of Shivers 2!!!!! I loved how clues were in the songs!!!!! Oh my god I'm freaking out!!!!! I loved "Was I Even There?" Holy.....

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  8 років тому +4

      +jepicondyle I was! That was definitely a fun time to work at Sierra back in the 90s :)

    • @stoneystone7
      @stoneystone7 7 років тому

      MetalJesusRocks did you ever play the game GORE it was similar to unreal tournament I loved it and have always wanted to know if you played it it was online matchmaking heaven haha hope to hear back ! love the channel

  • @chromerican99
    @chromerican99 10 років тому

    Man I caught a glimpse of Bioforge in that cd binder, and all these great memories of plying through that game came flooding back. Great vid MJR

  • @losalfajoresok
    @losalfajoresok 10 років тому

    man....I never own big boxes for pc games and I think I never will but seeing this..brings tears to my eyes. Those years they put some much loves into them that is really awesome to see them, most for the first time (for me at least).
    That's one of the things I love about collecting, to show new gamer's generations how it was to be a gamer on the older days. Keep making these amazing videos MJ!

  • @LukeHellwalker
    @LukeHellwalker 10 років тому +3

    It has a reason, I prefer the 90s and the early 2000s over today, when it comes to games... Great video MJR \m/

  • @thegamingphile
    @thegamingphile 10 років тому +4

    hey Metal Jesus because of you I ended up picking up a sealed System Shock 2 in the box at a thrift store. Normally I would have passed on it. THANKS!!!

  • @williamdigby9397
    @williamdigby9397 7 років тому

    Thanks so much for these awesome videos. My girlfriend and I have a decent collection and now know there are so many others that appreciate old games as much as we do! Love from England man!

  • @portalplayer
    @portalplayer 8 років тому +2

    this is an awesome video. PC game boxes are so awesome, they go all out with the extras. And, the art work on the covers are so mysterious and intriguing. it just isn't the same after it got all digital. I hope you do another PC games video.

  • @mushroomsamba82
    @mushroomsamba82 10 років тому

    great video man, It's really interesting to see all the cool stuff that used to come with games... really takes me back

  • @flagainst3
    @flagainst3 10 років тому

    Such a bad ass colection, all that extra shwag in the boxes really makes it feel like you're getting a game with alot of love and thought put in to it.

  • @JulesRoyal
    @JulesRoyal 10 років тому

    It's the best day of the week! When MJR posts a new video!
    I'm not much of a PC person, but i really enjoyed this video. Now I at least have a little bit of knowledge of what I'm looking at when I run into these PC games at thrift stores. Keep up the great work.

  • @techspecxify
    @techspecxify 10 років тому +1

    It's good to collect what you like - thanks again for your time and energy. Great information and good to see all the old games from the day. Now a days we don't get such cool stuff with the games - I believe that enhanced the game play a bit more.

  • @Round2GamingChannel
    @Round2GamingChannel 10 років тому +1

    That was a fantastic video MJR! Went in late to work just to finish watching it; just sucked me in - and I don't even do much PC gaming! Thanks so much for sharing man - always enjoy your videos. Keep up the awesome work!

  • @K1NGARTH3R
    @K1NGARTH3R 10 років тому

    Great episode, i'm a big fan of PC games from back in the 90's and have a nice selection. It was nice seeing the way you run your games :) great stuff!

  • @MeridaDahon
    @MeridaDahon 10 років тому

    Awesome! A lot of memories in your collection. I bought Full Throttle because of Sam and Max. Tie fighter was ridiculously addictive and the original Diablo blew my mind at the time! I regret getting rid of all those old PC games and boxes years ago.
    Keep the vids coming, man, and I'll keep watching. You rock!

  • @Shelbyfromvans
    @Shelbyfromvans 10 років тому +1

    Hey, MetalJesus! I would just like to say the quality and the content of your videos are always spot on. You are a true game collector and an awesome dude!

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  10 років тому

      Thanks! I love making videos and I'm glad you are having fun watching them :)

  • @technoir1119
    @technoir1119 10 років тому

    I was a console gamer growing up. PC gaming was too expensive for me and for whatever reason seemed way out of my league. But I LOVED browsing (drooling) over the boxes when I'd go to stores. The cover art in a lot of cases was absolutely gorgeous and inspiring. It really made my imagination go wild. I always wondered how awesome the games must have been. I'm extremely envious of anyone who grew up a PC gamer.
    Great video!

  • @kruch66
    @kruch66 10 років тому

    There is nothing like that feeling on youtube when you discover a new channel you fucking love. Got a lot of videos to go through now. Great video MJR.

  • @sauqk
    @sauqk 10 років тому +1

    Big Boxes are the LPs of PC games along with the swag. The cover art of Eye of the Beholder series stained my young brain on the shelves of Babbage's, but a few of these I had totally forgotten about. Thanks, great vid.

  • @hardrocker943
    @hardrocker943 10 років тому

    Great video! I'm just now starting to getting into old pc collecting. I watched my Mom play a lot of these. So much great stuff.

  • @8KilgoreTrout4
    @8KilgoreTrout4 10 років тому

    That PC collection is epic. Wow! So many classics that bring back memories!

  • @foxtelremote
    @foxtelremote 8 років тому

    i am so jealous of your might and magic games!
    my family couldn't afford a PC when I was growing up, so when I finally got one, the might and magic games were all that I had. 6 7 and 8 had me glued for years.

  • @Peyre
    @Peyre 10 років тому

    the extras in some of those boxes are awesome. i think it's a good thing that you cover more PC stuff on your channel.

  • @johnnyboy6429
    @johnnyboy6429 10 років тому +3

    Hey metaljesusrocks just the fact that you know about full throttle and Sam and Max drives my respect up for you like the motorcycle in full throttle! Good lord I miss those games.

  • @denBlackie
    @denBlackie 10 років тому

    Skip this video ? This is why I love your channel :) Don't stop making these big box games are awesome.

  • @Bunker27Goose
    @Bunker27Goose 10 років тому +2

    Totally inspired me to start collecting PC games in box. I used to have so many, but lost a lot of them when my family and I moved around the US. Once I get a gaming room established, I want to start collecting again. Thanks MJ!

  • @rey-o
    @rey-o 10 років тому

    This was very informative! I don't have a huge PC game collection but it's something that I'm growing very slowly over time.

  • @leifbehmer5992
    @leifbehmer5992 10 років тому +4

    I recently picked up the Icewind Dale: Heart of Winter expansion along with nearly the entire Baldur's Gate series in box at my local Half Price Book s store. REALLY lucky catch. Any chance you are a fan of the Disciples series?

  • @bunsenb
    @bunsenb 7 років тому

    You inspired me to get into big box PC collecting i love the artwork and overall package you get and you can find some amazing deals looking forward to the hunt

  • @ByteSizeThoughts
    @ByteSizeThoughts Рік тому

    I started collecting pc games in 2018. It's amazing to see how many heavy hitters you had already collected back in 2014!

  • @Gillz93fyi
    @Gillz93fyi 10 років тому

    I was having a crappy day at work today and getting a notification that you uploaded a new video made my day! I love your channel. Keep up the good work!

  • @Pookanator
    @Pookanator 10 років тому

    Great to see the old MechWarrior games in there! Those games have fantastic soundtracks which I still listen to today.

  • @rnholsen7841
    @rnholsen7841 10 років тому

    Very informative and great to see the classics...looking forward to some game footage and more information in your next video.

  • @DecipleX
    @DecipleX 9 років тому

    I too worked at Sierra On-Line in Bellevue late 96 Holiday - Jan 97 Holiday. My 1st Helpdesk job. Great videos and homage to old school gaming, my man! :)

  • @PaulA-fp3vs
    @PaulA-fp3vs 9 років тому

    I seriously miss those old artworks. Books, videogames, movies.... part of the fun of buying something was the cool artwork.

  • @farmhousemedia3000
    @farmhousemedia3000 10 років тому +3

    Starting watching and thought; "He'd BETTER show Full Throttle!"
    You did... Huzzah!
    "I'm not putting my lips on THAT"

  • @Huddison
    @Huddison 9 років тому +3

    I'm sooo jealous of your gold boxed SSI games! I may start my own collection of them.

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  9 років тому

      Huddison Am I so HAPPY to have these in my collection. I always wanted them as a kid!

    • @Huddison
      @Huddison 9 років тому

      MetalJesusRocks I had a couple of them on my C64 - Champions of Krynn was my personal fav.

  • @RanyBx
    @RanyBx 10 років тому

    That was an excellent video, seriously, please keep on bringing old pc games love!

  • @ProductionsNate
    @ProductionsNate 10 років тому +4

    List of my Favorite PC Games:
    1. DOOM
    2. DOOM II
    3. Final DOOM
    4. DOOM with mods

  • @estolaetus
    @estolaetus 10 років тому

    I remember staring at all of these cases at Software ETC and CompUSA back in the day! Awesome collection, dude.

  • @PaulBradley
    @PaulBradley 10 років тому

    really enjoyed this, it bought back some very happy memories from my early PC days

  • @ooSicknesSoo
    @ooSicknesSoo 6 років тому

    I loved buying games in the 90's. The boxes had so much cool stuff!

  • @jmyers1385
    @jmyers1385 10 років тому

    I grew up in a very "anti-nintendo" household and my dad was a programmer in the 80's and 90's so this is a huge trip down memory road for me. We had tons of PC games, we used to go to this place called Egghead Software and get games all the time, played some cool stuff back in the day like some of the Battletech games, TMNT Manhattan Missions, Silpheed, Thexder, Hero's Quest and some other sleeper games. Great stuff. I still have most of those old games and a bunch of stuff from the late 90's and early 2000's. So much cool swag came with those old PC games. I wear a sweet pin that came with one of the Battletech games on a blazer for funsies when I have to dress formal, so damn cool.

  • @KingTaltia
    @KingTaltia 10 років тому +5

    I remember that Windows 7 and even XP should have "Compatibility mode" in the properties menu. I usually just use that.

    • @Mastermind12358
      @Mastermind12358 10 років тому +1

      Yeah that usually doesn't work, and even if you get the game to start. The graphics and all that won't always display properly.

    • @beezle1976
      @beezle1976 6 років тому

      Mastermind12358 yep. Single most useless "feature" ever. Doesn't work for %99.9 of software on the NT6 kernel. Surprisingly it works better these days than it ever did back then.

  • @metalfacemark
    @metalfacemark 10 років тому

    love the big boxes, its amazing to think back in the days that we used to hate the amount of space they would take up, i miss my big boxes.

  • @PapaKennMedia
    @PapaKennMedia 10 років тому

    For the vast majority of my life, I didn't own (or rather my family didn't own) a PC or Laptop powerful enough to play games of the time. Technically... I still don't, but thankfully a lot of games don't require crazy-high specs. Anyway, I love videos like this from both you and Lazy Game Reviews because it lets me experience games I haven't played before, or a friend owned the game and I could only play it at their house.
    Seeing LGR's comment below, I'm looking forward to his possible upcoming collection video. This was a great video, and loved seeing your crazy huge collection! I'll never have one that big, but I'll hopefully be able to get ahold of *SOME* of these games one day to play around on :)

  • @jackuno
    @jackuno 10 років тому

    Love your videos. It's a good format, there's heaps of cool games, and you just seem like a really nice dude.

  • @Aqueous92
    @Aqueous92 10 років тому

    My eyes literally glowed when I saw your CD of Subculture. Amazing game which I spent hours and hours in my childhood and which I recently started to play again. A decent scavange/mercenary/ submarine game.

  • @RetroHabit82
    @RetroHabit82 10 років тому

    Great collection you have.It's always nice to see those bigbox titles that I missed out on.

  • @ripoutyourprejudice
    @ripoutyourprejudice 10 років тому +1

    T_T ... I miss my PC old box PC games. The beautiful artwork and the stuff you would get with them.

  • @CameronFryy
    @CameronFryy 10 років тому

    I was mostly a console gamer and only dabbled into PC games for the heavy hitters (Doom, Sim City, Starcraft, Diablo). It's nice to see such a great collection of games I never got a chance to own.

  • @anthonymoloney3671
    @anthonymoloney3671 10 років тому

    What an awesome collection. I was really happy to see you had Terra Nova. For me, that game blew my mind at the time.

  • @sandplasma
    @sandplasma 10 років тому

    Wow you have so many of the games I used to play in the 90s. Loved the video!

  • @XFile2708
    @XFile2708 10 років тому +3

    Superb collection and tour matey - as you know im not really into RPGs but certainly played a lot of the big box pc adventure games when I was growing up :)
    My favourites were probably Sam and Max, the Police Quest series, Simon the Sourcerer, Wily Beamish to name a few.. :)

  • @CrysisFear
    @CrysisFear 9 років тому

    3:42 my all time favorite. You have an amazing collection. Never knew there existed Doom2 screensaver. Great video thanks for sharing. :)

    • @TheSweatyYeti
      @TheSweatyYeti 9 років тому

      CrysisFear
      Heck yeah! I just bought a big box copy on ebay last week.

  • @elimalinsky7069
    @elimalinsky7069 8 років тому +1

    Ticking the Windows 95/98 compatibility, 256 color mode and run as admin in the .exe properties of early Windows games usually will make the game run just fine. If there are still graphical glitches, opening the resolution selection panel and just leaving it open in the background may solve any glitches that still persist.
    Bear in mind, if the game is 16bit, you won't be able to run it in a 64bit Windows Vista/7/8/10 no matter what you do.

  • @paultizzano982
    @paultizzano982 4 роки тому

    love the collection the size of those boxes and the artwork and designs on them

  • @DOSBrony
    @DOSBrony 10 років тому

    Not a lot of people know about the Crimson skies, especially not the original PC version. Thank you for showing it, I hope to see more cult classics and hidden gems in the future!

  • @benstiller2006
    @benstiller2006 10 років тому

    As always, this was a fantastic video. Keep on doing what you do, man.

  • @ViniVinagre
    @ViniVinagre 10 років тому

    Great collection! Have a lot of this games too, great memories from my childhood!
    Greetings from Brazil!

  • @BOYD1981
    @BOYD1981 10 років тому

    That is an awesome collection, I love boxed games. Actually discovered that I still have a box for Dungeon Keeper with the manual today!

  • @qster
    @qster 10 років тому

    I had a six foot high cardboard 'Rise of the robots' robot that I had to leave when we moved to Spain, I was gutted to leave him! Great video as always :)

  • @zeroth404
    @zeroth404 6 років тому

    That's a mighty fine loonin' PC Gamer Classic Games Collection Volume One you've got there. One of my favorite PC Gamer discs! Got about 20 years' worth of that on my bookshelf (:

  • @Let_Them_Burn
    @Let_Them_Burn 10 років тому

    Full throttle. Wow. What a classic, had my first sleepless night playing that game ! the final jump was such a pain to figure out. Way cool game you have my friend

  • @prophismusic
    @prophismusic 10 років тому

    I highly recommenced "DOSBox Game Launcher" for PC. I use it myself to organize all my old school games, by title, genre, even developer and year. It's a Library/Manager & Auto Launcher. No coding needed, simply double click any title you have loaded into it and it starts it up in dosbox. An added bonus is screen shots when highlighting a title (you add these), it can help big time in remembering games. Great video MJR. I want those wolfenstein & Chirichan Pirat Clan patches - Very Cool

  • @kurganwins
    @kurganwins 10 років тому

    Ace Frehley guards my game room too. Man it does not seem all that long ago when i was playing those great pc games and spending way to much time to get the sound to work. Great video.

  • @MarioLuigi2013
    @MarioLuigi2013 10 років тому +2

    The rock group "Trip Cyclone" that's awesome! I enjoyed Shivers very much you guys made a great game.

  • @sglider
    @sglider 10 років тому

    Great video, old school computer game packaging was the best and is also my favorite. I too foolishly dumped a bunch of boxes from the C64 period and the late 90s PC period. Some have survived though and I am certainly hanging on to them.

  • @wysiwyg2006
    @wysiwyg2006 10 років тому

    great collection. grew up on pc games after atari st, still play games on pc at age 38.
    also really was hooked on Phantasmagoria when it was released. that along with zork nemesis were very atmospheric

  • @youtubasoarus
    @youtubasoarus 10 років тому +2

    Great collection! The only thing that stood out for me was that you said you "lost" so many hours with certain games. I'd suggest you gained them. Losing those hours suggests you could have done something better with your time.

  • @TheNzGameFreak
    @TheNzGameFreak 10 років тому

    Love this video of your PC games nothing better than Old games whether they are PC or console they are just alot of memories.

  • @IAMPACIFIC1
    @IAMPACIFIC1 10 років тому

    Great video! I remember playing Torin's passage in the mid 90s and loving the box and extra goodies.

  • @Theshyandquietgamer
    @Theshyandquietgamer 10 років тому

    Been collecting big box pc games for about a year.. great video..hope to have a collection like yours one day...

  • @fatboosh81
    @fatboosh81 4 роки тому +1

    Metal Jesus get to record when he looks at his collection. When I look at my collection it’s usually a sad environment and keeps me wondering about why my wife left me

  • @TheCompletionist
    @TheCompletionist 10 років тому

    I'm not a pc gamer, but I always enjoy listening to a bit of pc gamer history. I am literally unaware of some of the games that were released on pc.

  • @Cander5142
    @Cander5142 9 років тому

    Love what you opened with. I miss the old days of PC gaming where you got cool stuff without an overly pricy collectors edition. And I miss big awesome manuals.

  • @6thsun25
    @6thsun25 8 років тому

    as an old adventurer pc gamer myself, you need to add to your collection games like legend of kyrandia series,simon the sorcerer series,alone in the dark series.These were masterpices and i need to see them in their original boxes.Thx for the great channel!

  • @Marcos-ib5ur
    @Marcos-ib5ur 8 років тому +2

    I can just imagine some mom calling becuase "I DIDN'T GET MY MICROSCOPIC SPACE FLEET!"

  • @jimlawless5323
    @jimlawless5323 9 років тому +1

    Subscribed! great collection man, I have a lot of those titles myself, especially the old rpgs, definitely a good amount of fetishism involved in collecting all those big ol' boxes full of stuff, just like vinyl collections. We used to get so much more when buying games/records back in the day, now it's just some quickly thrown together boxart on a small plastic box and a 10 page crappy generic manual.

  • @BullyrottHD
    @BullyrottHD 10 років тому

    Metal J I love your videos and you seem like such a nice guy! I'm trying to get all my friends to watch your videos. FROM YOUR UK FANS!!

  • @LiquidDIO
    @LiquidDIO 10 років тому

    Awesome to see a boxed Hard Nova. Games like it, Sentinel Worlds: Future Magic, Starflight 1 & 2 and Star Control, are the real forerunners to Mass Effect, which is why I enjoyed the first ME so much, It felt like a sort of paean to those bygone awesome sci-fi classics.

  • @rsb0210
    @rsb0210 10 років тому

    Cool video, I have to say my favorite old school video games were mail order monsters, wasteland, and the leisure suit Larry games. So much fun

  • @eioclementi1355
    @eioclementi1355 10 років тому

    wow you rock jesus! i had flashbacks of going to electronic boutiques in the 90s

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  10 років тому

      I remember going to Electronic Boutiques, CompUSA and Software Etc for all my PC gaming goodness. Those were the days!

  • @dejavuman22
    @dejavuman22 10 років тому

    I got ridiculously lucky when I got a copy of Return to Castle Wolfenstein. The electronics store in town was going out of business, and most of their games were at a minimum 50% off, and some were as high as 80% off, and since my brother and I got there fairly early, most of the games were still there, but we had to move fast since a lot of other people were there as well. While digging through the piles of games, I came across a copy of Return to Castle Wolfenstein, stuck in the back, hidden behind a bunch of other stuff, and covered in dust. Had been reduced from $10 to $5. Couldn't pass up a deal like that (all these games were new by the way) so I grabbed it along with a bunch of other stuff and went to the checkout. When the guy was ringing up my stuff, I was shocked to see Wolfenstein had rang up as $0!!! I thought there was a mistake, and told the guy that the game should have rang up as $5. He told me it wasn't an error, and that was because the game had been there so long and nobody noticed it, it was no longer in their system, so the system didn't have an actual price for it, so it rang up as $0. I have never gotten that lucky again, but Return to Castle Wolfenstein has held a special place for me ever since. Plus it's a really fun game. :)

  • @rocksteady31
    @rocksteady31 10 років тому

    I loved playing Phantasmagoria when I was younger. Great game!

  • @javierknight7978
    @javierknight7978 5 років тому

    I love the old PC videogame boxes! Great video!!!

  • @ironhammersTV
    @ironhammersTV 10 років тому

    Haha! Totally forgot about the days when we used to have to buy screen-savers on discs. That Doom II one looks awesome.

  • @VampiresCrypt
    @VampiresCrypt 10 років тому

    Metal Jesus do you have any of those PC games VGA graded ? Or do you have any game from your collection VGA graded ? I know its expensive to do but they go for a high price on Ebay, cheers

  • @eyescovered
    @eyescovered 10 років тому

    Awesome collection. PC games could definitely get away with crazier boxes than consoles! Which is also the reason I enjoy collecting vinyl!

  • @cristiansosa1512
    @cristiansosa1512 9 років тому +4

    0:36 what went wrong these days that all we get is just a rigged digital crap with a heavy DRM system on it? Did we begin to settle for less?

  • @jeffrielly
    @jeffrielly 7 років тому

    another thing you can do to get the older games to work if your willing to spend a little extra money is you can get a digital copy off of GOG, which they update the supported OSs for the older games.

  • @richardgregorio8327
    @richardgregorio8327 10 років тому +1

    There's also Wine for Mac and Linux that's kinda like a dosbox for Windows games. There's also front ends available to make it a little easier to configure.

    • @MetalJesusRocks
      @MetalJesusRocks  10 років тому

      I've used CrossOver on Mac that is like a front end to Wine and it works very well...

  • @merrol007
    @merrol007 10 років тому

    Awesome collection!! Thanks for sharing and being consistent with your video uploads, I really enjoy them = )

  • @TheGamingPegasus187
    @TheGamingPegasus187 10 років тому +1

    Amazing how much used to go into games, now a days we don't even get a decent manual.