Back in the days i bought some gold because i really wanted drygores the moment i got them i stopped playing because my goal was done and started to burn out so i learned that real world trading is not just bad for the game but it takes away the fun the grind might seem hard and long but that makes reaching your goal feel amazing and motivating to get a other goal done
Even when you grind to that late game there's not much to do but keep growing that wealth eval number via bossing. I ended up just starting to collect stuff. One day my guthix arrow stack will hit 10m.
A good way to combat this is transparency. Being able to use platinum tokens as currency in ge and adding real-time GE data similar to what osrs has would make price manipulation a lot harder,
@@lolwillow188 Being able to trade them in the GE means the price history will be publicly available and clans can't artificially pump the price up by "selling" to clanmates/alts. Anyone advocating for trading outside of GE when the GE is available would be outed as a price manipulator, as there would be no reason to not use GE with the lack of GE tax in rs3.
One other huge factor in this imo is that archaeology was release in march 2020. I have been playing rs since 2004 and rares have always been slightly out of reach for me. I remember having about 6m and wanting to buy a santa hat when it was about 12m, but by the time I got the 12m it was out of reach again. This happened for about a decade. When archaeology was released, I grinded it to 120 in the first month. Chronotes were selling for 2k each at the beginning, turning in one collection could net you 20m gp. Vulcanized rubber was selling for 50k each, you could camp the resource and make 1.4m/inv in like 10 mins. I made something like 1B in a month doing archaeology, something a "normal" player like me never saw as possible. I immediately purchased a blue hween for about 450m with my new found wealth. Within about a week it had doubled. I never saw this as a coincidence, archaeology was a huge redistribution of wealth and injected so much money into the game.
For sure! As with any new update, desired items added to the game will sell for absurd amounts of money, and Archaeology introduced a large quantity of them. I agree a price increase would be natural as a result of it, but that would likely fall with time. The separation in the situation is visible in the trade on the forums, where the prices are increased every single trade to boost the price. And with the knowledge from the source of the video, whose desire simply was to boost rares out of the GE for the intention to more easily manipulate the price, it makes it clear to me Arch and other updated didn't affect the prices to the degree it might seem.
it's funny that the holly wreath - being the rarest wearable discontinued item - is too rare and scarce to actually be manipped to the degree of other rares lol
@@Bearded_Tall_Guy defo not its ~1000 in game while bsh is well over 5k+ just from the counted broadcasts of players getting them however, wreath is hideous i'd never wear one in a million yrs
@@Bearded_Tall_Guy the wiki says wreath is 1,000 and that bsh was 1/2k festive crackers. so look at it this way, event was 15 days or 360 hours * 2= 720 (2/60mins) festive crackers were obtainable at max for each an account. roughtly 50k player were active at all times in 2013 meaning if only 20k were obtaining festive crackers thats 20k*720 (360hrs x 2 crackers per hour)= 14.4m crackers the entire event. so... 14.4m/2k= 7200 bsh. that 5k+ was from recorded broadcasts.
The Golden Partyhat even was a great example of how new rares should be added. The Green Santa, on the otherhand, was a BAD example. I hope we get to see more rares added - maybe white/black Halloween masks? Black Partyhats? Or reintroduce old untradeable holiday items like different colored bunny ears/yoyos/scarfs? They could even have fun with new Christmas Crackers too.
The golden partyhat is EXACTLY how jagex should be introducing new rares. The fact you had to go through a huge rigamaroll of effort to get a hold of it meant that only the people who wanted one could get a hold of one, ensuring its rarity and value. I do hope they introduce more rares. I would say they shouldn't introduce very many, but actually... I wonder if having lots of rare items would collectively deflate the value of rares rather than crashing them.
green santa was the best news for jagex, expect most rares to be introduced to game that way. doing it like gph wouldn't gain jagex any money so pretty much just a courtesy thing for ppl wanting a rare for all
There is a player that claims they farmed 38 golden hats and even more green santas, and was able to pay off their house with the profit. I don't think it was really the best considering one person could farm them on alts :/
I was wondering why items only increase in price once a week or so in the GE is this also to prevent price manipulation? and is it really necessary to give it such a long timespan in between?
I haven't been able to find any information on it recently but when the GE was released the price updated based on volume. Higher volume items update more regularly and that can be seen when comparing stuff like runes to things like t90 equipment. I would assume this hasn't changed but I don't know if the requirements for an update have changed. I also remember something about prices only adjusting a certain percentage at a time to prevent outlier trades from impacting the price but that also prevents items from matching their street price.
the smastest comment so far, if you dont want rares to be so expensive dont make it so easy to make gp, and also dont forget there is players willing to spend real cash on bonds to buy rares, jagex benefit alot by rares being so expensive, being the only ones allowed to RWT.
The money limit is in place due to how Java calculates numbers. While the game isn't run on Java anymore, to change the limit, they'd have to change the fundamentals and basis of how the game engine runs, since that's what it's based off of. It's easier said than done.
Would bringing the original discontinued items back really affect anyone other than the 40 or so scumbags who are manipulating the prices? OSRS has the rares drop every holiday since release. No one on osrs cares about rares and can wear them as they please.
I am one of those with over 70 OG phats and i am not happy with the price they are worth now should have been way lower won most of those hats in the duel arena in the last weekend before the cap and rs needs a big gold sink or a reset with everything maybe for runescape 4 and delete rs3
this creates another dilemma tho (although a sweet one) in where you never want to get rid of it because you know it will only keep going up and up. Which essentially means all that wealth is trapped in that item which serves no other purpose =D
@@TwixOSRS pretty much yeah, its all speculation and how much people are willing to pay for it. But for Rs3 rares we havent seen those massive peaks and valleys in their price yet, its just been going up and up
@@Rosterized Good point. Honestly as far as rares are concerned they will continue to rise. If someone hasn't obtained them by now I doubt they will ever afford them later. Tbh though Rs3 is not as popular as OSRS so I'm surprised there's still such a demand for items in that game. Truthfully I'd rather have a Tbow or Ely than a Santa hat or something. But I understand a lot of people still enjoy Rs3. Not sure what a good solution would be.
Just make each partyhat buyable at the costume store for 2.147B gold pieces. Won't lose any value by G.E. standards only RWT/Street Value, they'll still be hard to get - to the point _most_ players would not obtain one for years, and the real flex would be having one on an Ironman. Only the rare-hoarding chodes would lose out, at which point, cope.
if you cant afford rares then you cant have them. its not like its a needed item, its cosmetic, they are limited and not everybody can own one. alot of the people who own them played the game for years. so yeah new players cant easily afford them, nor obtain them in game (discontinued). also there is a difference between merching and manipulation, merching is buying and selling for more with a profit, manipulating is making fake trades to future increase the price of the items in which they are holding, as for the price of the rares more and more money is getting brought into the game, partyhats and rares are not...every single person i bump into these days has over 2b (of a decent level not some level 80's) and the lower rares are easy affordable within the game, its just a bunch of people who don't play the game complaining about the price of low rares, example being you can kill the new bosses get a staff of armadyl 5b+ and sell it and buy a santa hat, party hats are very limited and very sought after.
Would love to see a "ban redistribution lottery" kinda thing like i hate lotterys cus i never win, but would be nice to see some of the items come back and go to people that arent merchers
@@Nyx__ wasnt there an actual event where you could buy banned accounts' banks? Edit: i just looked it up, it was called "bank bidders" in around 2016/2017 but was never released. Mod osborne worked on it.
I'm surprised by the spike in the price of the Crown of Seasons. This is an item that _nobody wanted_ when it came out, because it was a pay to win rare. It sat around 10m for years--now it's over 100m! Maybe this is the result of normal functioning, but it is funny to me. (Somehow the cloak of seasons has always been valued much higher, though. Not sure why on that count.)
People please listen if you’re buying a green Santa to invest please be smart cause the hat is not yet discontinued it’s gonna be released again in the future so don’t lose your money and just have patience remember it’s just a game and rares do no help you in your stats so it’s a useless item
yea I really hope they do something about those so called merchers? rofl they’re rwters and they price manipulated every single item in the game. Whenever I’m trying to sell an item I just go in their noob fc and I tell em that I’m merching it. Within days that item becomes unbuyable so that’s when I just dump the item in the ge. I’ve actually made hundreds of billions by dumping my items on that so called merching fc. The last item I did this with was poison slimes and I did that after I’ve acquired max stack of em. Now they will go from being 125-150 to being 1k+ haha
They have more support and individual attention dedicated to people who break the rules than they do for players who get their items stolen and hacked. It's how they got themselves in this situation in the first place. Their follow-through for rule breakers is abysmal and has always been money driven (the main reason they haven't released the old rares back into the game is due to possible membership loss). They even lie and say rollbacks aren't possible for individual accounts, which is not true whatsoever. The wrong people are consistently given power, whether it's within Jagex itself, within the UA-cam/Twitch community, Reddit, or another community. The problem comes from the top down, and until the company itself gets out of the power struggle with investors, this kind of problem and any other widescale will not be permanently fixed in the game of RuneScape, ever.
Tokens shouldn't be discontinued at all, just make them permanently rare on the TH, the slow trickle of them will help stop hoarding/making them into oddment buy even at high prices "fast buy with gold, slow save up oddments" A blue party hat is 120b 99.999 % of players will never get one in their life. Maybe its time for a new drop even for limited time to upset the economy ?
drop enough so the price goes down so its actually grindable or force the people to show the price to the actual market instead of trading between eachother and the price will fall because everyone knows 150b is ridiculous
The worst thing is that all these people with original partyhats have the WORST fashionscape! Look at that guy at 4:00. What is that top/legs combo? They don't flow at all!
Just make them untradable. lmao Just completely nerf rares on rs3. Rs3 has plenty of items that actually are worth something that can take the place of those over inflated rares. Sure the economy would be nuked, but it's a good thing because there's still plenty of room to recover. Old guard rares are holding back the rs3 economy.
Especially with RS3, I get the hesitation with deploying a blanket hammer to rare item trades. The people who can put in the time and skill in the game to earn enough money to buy those items legitimately are exactly the players a game dev doesn't want to drive away by obliterating the price with a rerelease.
People that can make billions of GP per day don’t buy bonds with $. It’s your new players trying to get upgrades that spend $. Jagex will find a way to sell items to players for $ that the billionaires will buy up. Thus redistributing the wealth over and over.
@@lidontlo The fact that some of in-game rich players don't even have spent a single real life penny and stay membership forever, while cost of buying membership became way too expansive pisses me so much that it's one of reasons I quitted Runescape. Seriously fu*k this whole bond system. I rather know that there is RWT players in-game, who will get banned once they get caught *than* having Jagex RWT themselves. Why should player who rich in-game avoid paying membership? And why should rich IRL should get easy gp by selling bonds? This is anti-competitive and inequality. Your wealth should not affect the gameplay, only skill and dedication.
@@1God1Fury I mean I am going to have to point out that you are kinda wrong and just angry. The value of $ to bonds is very good. $30-50 gets you a nice gear set up to make 20-30m per hour skilling. So 5-6 hours of gameplay gets you 14 days of member ship. If you play 1 hour a day you can have a member ship for 6-7 days for free after you grind a bit.
@@lidontlo Do you really think that everyone make 1-3m per hour? That is rich people excuse. Just because you can make that much cash doesn't mean everyone can make that. Especially medium levels and f2p players
well i mean....considering GP is just generated out of thin air, then creating an actual market expecting things like this not to happen is the first mistake. even the stimulous checks in U.S affected the economy. it was $1,200 per person or household. still a drastic inflation event. i couldn't imagine trillions of GP coming from thin air lol
It’s insane how Pis2ols was never banned. Worst price manip in the history of RS. Even built his own discord price checker bot so that he can manip his items
mate the prices of rares is a joke, tbh a phat should be 40b at max despite any inflation! the reason prices of rares went up is cuz they unbanned many rwters, goldfarmers, botters and they bought out all the rares
yeah it should be like 20-30b maybe max, 100+ is literally not grindable for people, if we're really gonna say its a status symbol of success and how much money you got that isnt even possible anymore. people with 100+ bill are prob shady as fuck with how they get it
@@mjesus850 for the most part the so called “merchers” not to mention lurers, scammers , rwters from pis2ols fc literally manipulated their way into billions by using alts and other ways. they literally pm you on alts when you’re selling or buying a rare and they make you sell/buy an item for billions less or more since that’s all they do. so if you’re inexperienced or a returning player you will most definitely get scammed by them. sadly they also own the entire price check on the forums and they also manipulate their own members into buying dumb items such as tokens , etc. I don’t think they belong on this game tbh
Jagex should make bonds a nbt like pokemon cards are in every country black party hate green santa hat gold/black hween mask should be rare return events and may a layer of rares that can show a level close to these event items but also are a bit more common as in every 5 years
You missed a huge reason why rares/items in general on rs has gone up - merchers yes, but INFLATION. Too much gp coming into game through TH/ED, im surprised you haven't touch on ED being full of alchable rewards that even the lowest of level players can farm/bots. Jagex just needs a huge money sink to combat the price of rares and items and make gp more valuable again, that's all, quite simple really.
This is the main issue. I had a red just after the release of vorago when it was ~2b. I never RWT'd, but for fun I looked up how much IRL cash I could sell it for. Back then 2b sold for ~$1500. Looking at the forums it looks like a red is between 40-50b now, and 40b today goes for ~$1600. So, in terms of actual value, the party hats have only gone up a tiny bit, GP is just worth way less now that it was 8 years ago
Inflation is definitely a small part of it, but it wouldn't explain an increase of 570% (blue phat) over 20 months, let alone a sudden spike in March. The slow build up until that point is more representative of what inflation looks like.
@@rswillmissit I deal with the rare market, have bought phats recently, the prices in the last few months are legit and NOT a result of manipulation, it is because of inflation, everyone is getting richer because of price rises (i.e. bossing/lots of methods making 40mgp n hr) as a result of the amount of gp coming into the game making all items in game increase in price, making bossing more money, chain effect. Yes manipulation of alts do occur, but it's from merchers to get 3-4b extra in deals or over inflate rares by a little to their advantage, however, please don't misconstrue this that thats the reason why rares are such high. It's still supply and demand, and right now theres a lot of demand on the OG rares because many are getting richer quicker. Dupe glitch of GP did happen too, which you didn't mention which enhanced inflation further.
@@rswillmissit P.S In my opinion, I also think you're wrong in this video where you think Jagex released GPH and GSH to counter the prices of OG rares. A simple economist could tell you that adding new items won't change inflation nor prices of items. It's just GP circulating around the game. All it did was temporarily freeze prices during december of the OG rares (only a few lower rares lost a little value), however, it's all back up again but even higher. I highly doubt Jagex would be that stupid to release them for this reason because it'd never work. Only a money sink will solve the problems. they didn't release them to fight manipulation either, they just did it for Money for TH/and premier, lets be frank there. Again no mention of that?
I bought a green hween masks on rs3 probably early 2020 for all my cash maybe 430m if I remember correctly I have absolutely no clue how much it’s worth now but I can say it’s been the best merch I’ve ever had lmao I don’t think I’ll be selling it
I can't believe there's a video! I've been talking to my homies about how manipulated the RS3 prices are right now and how disgusting they skyrocketed out of nowhere!
Ok, I don't mean to minimize the issue or anything, but I laughed so damn hard at 9:30 😂 imagine quitting the whole game just because you can no longer afford party hats! The real issue is the real world trading, and more importantly the 70% of it that isn't made up of regular players who are engaged in real life criminal enterprises. That reddit post just reminds me of how overly dramatic r/runescape is
While I don't even want to kill players (even hostiles) when playing MMOs, my spot for an ego boost in these games is manipulating the market. Like baiting for people to sell me their expensive stuff through buy orders, taking advantage of price margins, manipulating order flow, etc. This video gives some insight on how to do and not do them :))) Kidding aside, nice videos. I've fallen into this RS rabbit hole cause of your videos
150 Billion!? Who tf has/needs that kind of money?? At that point they should just stop playing because the only thing they do is bankstand to count their money. Like, who are they, Mr Krabs?😂
Jagex will NEVER get rid of gold buyers/sellers. I know MANY people who have sold and bought hundreds or thousands of dollars in gold, and there's no consequences. Osrs btw.
and how do we fix this issue you may ask? well banning every member of pis2ols and then putting their accs up for bank bidders would be a nice start or actually just do a tournament where other players could win their rares
why would this solve the problem? you'll have those rares crash and be dumped into the market quicker then you could harm a gold phat, then the cycle would start over again with a different group of people
the best way jagex could stop the price manipulation? give out p-hats/santa hats/masks etc. as rewards again, making them tradeable and watch the prices plummet as evryone gets them for events. lol plus i think it would be hilarious to watch the rich people freak out about it.
Maybe one way to combat the inflation would be a GE tax. Rather than the GE being a free service there is a cost proportional to the value of the item being sold. That way selling to yourself in the GE loses money. Of course this affects normal players but also incentivizes trading in person where this tax doesn't exist.
Jagex thinking they can track people who buy gold.. Behave. They can’t do and haven’t done anything. I have both RMT and bought gold over and over and it’s effortless
I used to have a green Halloween mask and like 200 mil cash back in the day I got scammed for it then quit for 6 years. Few months back I checked the price of it over max cash, so I started playing old school lol
I don't get how people can cry about people buying stuff and selling it on a much higher price.. that's just how the market works. It's not the sellers fault if it sells for the much higher price.. just don't buy it if you don't want to pay the amount.
I hate MMO Mercanters. If you're good with money, then spend your time making _actual_ money in the real world, do stocks or something. Items in games should be for the players that actually enjoy the game for what it is and want the item for what it is, rather than as an arbitrary token for financial success.
I came across this video and I feel like am idiot dropping all of my crackers and party hats back in 2015 I had every party hat and I’m sitting here with my thumb up my ass
I didnt need to watch this. I sold my yellow party hat for less than a max cash stack back when osrs came out for swapping. I got hacked in osrs and needed gold :/
i dont get it, why even care about those items, they are purely cosmetic, so nobody needs one, just get the cheaper version or dont buy any at all, if people dont buy those items, the price will fix themselves.
There’s one simple way to fix it they aren’t fighting it they already know what needs to be done but wont do it just add shards to ge or plat toks simple ...
Personally, as someone who has a green santa hat and a gold partyhat, I find rares silly as they do not have any function in the game other than it being historical or cosmetic. What I do not like is the manipulation of prices of resources. For example the huge price hike in blood runes and yak milk. Yak milk is hard to get making it even more expensive...
I think a big thing your missing in this video is inflation. Money can be made sooo easy now so everything has to raise in price. Eventually and mark my words a single bond will be worth 100m its inevitable.
It's a point worth considering, but this would be reflected in other items aswell as real world trading prices. Those are still increasing ever so slightly with time, not mountaining like the rares...
Back in the days i bought some gold because i really wanted drygores the moment i got them i stopped playing because my goal was done and started to burn out so i learned that real world trading is not just bad for the game but it takes away the fun the grind might seem hard and long but that makes reaching your goal feel amazing and motivating to get a other goal done
preach
Even when you grind to that late game there's not much to do but keep growing that wealth eval number via bossing. I ended up just starting to collect stuff. One day my guthix arrow stack will hit 10m.
Maybe if drop rates wasn't so slow people would use the ge as mucj
But... what if they find another sneaky method to price manipulate again? How do we know history won't repeat itself?
I remember receiving the Christmas scythe during the event and sold it for 100m so I could unlock soul split. What a dummy
A good way to combat this is transparency. Being able to use platinum tokens as currency in ge and adding real-time GE data similar to what osrs has would make price manipulation a lot harder,
Tbh it sounds like being able to pay on ge with plat tokens is just going to make it worse.
@@lolwillow188 Being able to trade them in the GE means the price history will be publicly available and clans can't artificially pump the price up by "selling" to clanmates/alts. Anyone advocating for trading outside of GE when the GE is available would be outed as a price manipulator, as there would be no reason to not use GE with the lack of GE tax in rs3.
Honestly letting them use real currency may make it worse. Since they're trading rares for rares it's more abstract and not concrete
No it wouldn't. It would just make rares more valuable whilst further decreasing the value of Gold. Also would make room for RWT like OSRS.
Plat tokens is a flawed concept that WILL ruin Runscape's economy because of inflation. That's why they are targeting inflation quickly on OSRS.
Jagex should just add a storage wars type auction for banned players where you can bid on banned players bank for in game money
this was a real idea years ago by jagex but never made it
Should.a game I play called GraalEra has it and it works perfect.auctions every month you bid on rares and ultras
One other huge factor in this imo is that archaeology was release in march 2020.
I have been playing rs since 2004 and rares have always been slightly out of reach for me. I remember having about 6m and wanting to buy a santa hat when it was about 12m, but by the time I got the 12m it was out of reach again. This happened for about a decade.
When archaeology was released, I grinded it to 120 in the first month. Chronotes were selling for 2k each at the beginning, turning in one collection could net you 20m gp. Vulcanized rubber was selling for 50k each, you could camp the resource and make 1.4m/inv in like 10 mins.
I made something like 1B in a month doing archaeology, something a "normal" player like me never saw as possible. I immediately purchased a blue hween for about 450m with my new found wealth. Within about a week it had doubled. I never saw this as a coincidence, archaeology was a huge redistribution of wealth and injected so much money into the game.
For sure! As with any new update, desired items added to the game will sell for absurd amounts of money, and Archaeology introduced a large quantity of them. I agree a price increase would be natural as a result of it, but that would likely fall with time.
The separation in the situation is visible in the trade on the forums, where the prices are increased every single trade to boost the price. And with the knowledge from the source of the video, whose desire simply was to boost rares out of the GE for the intention to more easily manipulate the price, it makes it clear to me Arch and other updated didn't affect the prices to the degree it might seem.
it's funny that the holly wreath - being the rarest wearable discontinued item - is too rare and scarce to actually be manipped to the degree of other rares lol
Holly is the same rarity as bsh. And is still a just a trash rare and not discontinued.
@@Bearded_Tall_Guy defo not its ~1000 in game while bsh is well over 5k+ just from the counted broadcasts of players getting them however, wreath is hideous i'd never wear one in a million yrs
@@martinjones3070 the limit was the same as the Holly according to wiki?
@@Bearded_Tall_Guy the wiki says wreath is 1,000 and that bsh was 1/2k festive crackers. so look at it this way, event was 15 days or 360 hours * 2= 720 (2/60mins) festive crackers were obtainable at max for each an account. roughtly 50k player were active at all times in 2013 meaning if only 20k were obtaining festive crackers thats 20k*720 (360hrs x 2 crackers per hour)= 14.4m crackers the entire event. so... 14.4m/2k= 7200 bsh. that 5k+ was from recorded broadcasts.
@@martinjones3070 odd I was quite sure I had seen a statement about a overall limit given out like Holly and scythe.
The Golden Partyhat even was a great example of how new rares should be added. The Green Santa, on the otherhand, was a BAD example.
I hope we get to see more rares added - maybe white/black Halloween masks? Black Partyhats? Or reintroduce old untradeable holiday items like different colored bunny ears/yoyos/scarfs? They could even have fun with new Christmas Crackers too.
The golden partyhat is EXACTLY how jagex should be introducing new rares. The fact you had to go through a huge rigamaroll of effort to get a hold of it meant that only the people who wanted one could get a hold of one, ensuring its rarity and value. I do hope they introduce more rares. I would say they shouldn't introduce very many, but actually... I wonder if having lots of rare items would collectively deflate the value of rares rather than crashing them.
green santa was the best news for jagex, expect most rares to be introduced to game that way.
doing it like gph wouldn't gain jagex any money so pretty much just a courtesy thing for ppl wanting a rare for all
The cracker concept is fun. I wish they did it with more things other than the Christmas cracker and golden cracker.
I would love a black phat
There is a player that claims they farmed 38 golden hats and even more green santas, and was able to pay off their house with the profit. I don't think it was really the best considering one person could farm them on alts :/
I was wondering why items only increase in price once a week or so in the GE
is this also to prevent price manipulation? and is it really necessary to give it such a long timespan in between?
I haven't been able to find any information on it recently but when the GE was released the price updated based on volume. Higher volume items update more regularly and that can be seen when comparing stuff like runes to things like t90 equipment. I would assume this hasn't changed but I don't know if the requirements for an update have changed. I also remember something about prices only adjusting a certain percentage at a time to prevent outlier trades from impacting the price but that also prevents items from matching their street price.
Wasn't there a massive gold dupe that happened leading up to that explosion in rare prices? The server crashing one if I recall
Should not forget that one reason rares are so expensive is high inflation of coins.
Then rare item owners should have nothing to fear if a secondary market was added in to trade rares on ;)
Nobody ever talks about it. The game needs good money sinks.
Definitely a part of it! But likely not to the degree we've seen the prices increase; especially so specific to rares.
This! Elder god wars made gp/hr increase by like x5. In reality rares have only kept up with inflation.
the smastest comment so far, if you dont want rares to be so expensive dont make it so easy to make gp, and also dont forget there is players willing to spend real cash on bonds to buy rares, jagex benefit alot by rares being so expensive, being the only ones allowed to RWT.
The correct way to fight this is to work on updating the money limit and GE limit
That just means higher margins for them lol 😂
That will not solve the issue
The money limit is in place due to how Java calculates numbers. While the game isn't run on Java anymore, to change the limit, they'd have to change the fundamentals and basis of how the game engine runs, since that's what it's based off of. It's easier said than done.
This
Fantastic video highlighting the issue and potential "fixes" Jagex is working on
Would bringing the original discontinued items back really affect anyone other than the 40 or so scumbags who are manipulating the prices? OSRS has the rares drop every holiday since release. No one on osrs cares about rares and can wear them as they please.
Are u the real one?
I am one of those with over 70 OG phats and i am not happy with the price they are worth now should have been way lower won most of those hats in the duel arena in the last weekend before the cap and rs needs a big gold sink or a reset with everything maybe for runescape 4 and delete rs3
Wait until the video about the price checker discord bots come out..
.Ely
@@ttmilk6633 love how everyone hates on Ely but loves pct. Funny but all hypocrisy at its finest
paid 3.3b in aug 2018 for a yellow, was like 80% of my bank at the time no merch ever compares. I just keep holding and it goes to moon lol
this creates another dilemma tho (although a sweet one) in where you never want to get rid of it because you know it will only keep going up and up. Which essentially means all that wealth is trapped in that item which serves no other purpose =D
@@Rosterized U can wear it, or use it to upgrade to another color.
@@Rosterized you literally just explained exactly how Crypto works.
@@TwixOSRS pretty much yeah, its all speculation and how much people are willing to pay for it. But for Rs3 rares we havent seen those massive peaks and valleys in their price yet, its just been going up and up
@@Rosterized Good point. Honestly as far as rares are concerned they will continue to rise. If someone hasn't obtained them by now I doubt they will ever afford them later. Tbh though Rs3 is not as popular as OSRS so I'm surprised there's still such a demand for items in that game. Truthfully I'd rather have a Tbow or Ely than a Santa hat or something. But I understand a lot of people still enjoy Rs3. Not sure what a good solution would be.
Just make each partyhat buyable at the costume store for 2.147B gold pieces.
Won't lose any value by G.E. standards only RWT/Street Value, they'll still be hard to get - to the point _most_ players would not obtain one for years, and the real flex would be having one on an Ironman.
Only the rare-hoarding chodes would lose out, at which point, cope.
wow this actually seems like a good idea to me. would love to see how ppl push this back
years ? you mean 20 hours? rs3 econ has gone to shit lol best money makers are like 100m+ an hour
@@NoahhhBHOP The vast majority (read 95+%) of the player base doesn't even get 25.
if you cant afford rares then you cant have them. its not like its a needed item, its cosmetic, they are limited and not everybody can own one. alot of the people who own them played the game for years. so yeah new players cant easily afford them, nor obtain them in game (discontinued). also there is a difference between merching and manipulation, merching is buying and selling for more with a profit, manipulating is making fake trades to future increase the price of the items in which they are holding, as for the price of the rares more and more money is getting brought into the game, partyhats and rares are not...every single person i bump into these days has over 2b (of a decent level not some level 80's) and the lower rares are easy affordable within the game, its just a bunch of people who don't play the game complaining about the price of low rares, example being you can kill the new bosses get a staff of armadyl 5b+ and sell it and buy a santa hat, party hats are very limited and very sought after.
Would love to see a "ban redistribution lottery" kinda thing like i hate lotterys cus i never win, but would be nice to see some of the items come back and go to people that arent merchers
ya those would be great, basically re-up circulation to prevent manipulation and keep the amount in game the same
Yeah, and they could call it something interesting and engaging like, idk? Bank Bids? Sounds like a good update imo!
You have a gambling addiction nerd
@@Nyx__ wasnt there an actual event where you could buy banned accounts' banks?
Edit: i just looked it up, it was called "bank bidders" in around 2016/2017 but was never released. Mod osborne worked on it.
@@gregorpiuk23 yeah i know that what i was refering to
this is exactly why citi bank, lady emilia, pis2ols should be removed the game
I'm surprised by the spike in the price of the Crown of Seasons. This is an item that _nobody wanted_ when it came out, because it was a pay to win rare. It sat around 10m for years--now it's over 100m!
Maybe this is the result of normal functioning, but it is funny to me.
(Somehow the cloak of seasons has always been valued much higher, though. Not sure why on that count.)
Seems the crown started its raise in August 2020, so could be it was a part of the original manipulation, but didn't take off the same way.
People please listen if you’re buying a green Santa to invest please be smart cause the hat is not yet discontinued it’s gonna be released again in the future so don’t lose your money and just have patience remember it’s just a game and rares do no help you in your stats so it’s a useless item
Just got on my old account and I have 5 Santa hats lol they use to be so cheap. Too bad money on rs3 is worthless and I only play osrs
Ah yes. The original NFTs
yea I really hope they do something about those so called merchers? rofl they’re rwters and they price manipulated every single item in the game. Whenever I’m trying to sell an item I just go in their noob fc and I tell em that I’m merching it. Within days that item becomes unbuyable so that’s when I just dump the item in the ge. I’ve actually made hundreds of billions by dumping my items on that so called merching fc. The last item I did this with was poison slimes and I did that after I’ve acquired max stack of em. Now they will go from being 125-150 to being 1k+ haha
By adding 300million to new in-game event and treasure hunter promotion. Lol.
I been buying gp over time for a year same account no ban rofl can’t detect and track shit well
these vids make me wanna play RS3 again tbh. maybe someday....i'm just so busy with other hobbies and life rn 😅
The game will be here for you when you get the chance. :-)
I think thats the whole point with these runescape videos, which are backed by jagex, they want many of the retired players to come back
They have more support and individual attention dedicated to people who break the rules than they do for players who get their items stolen and hacked. It's how they got themselves in this situation in the first place. Their follow-through for rule breakers is abysmal and has always been money driven (the main reason they haven't released the old rares back into the game is due to possible membership loss). They even lie and say rollbacks aren't possible for individual accounts, which is not true whatsoever. The wrong people are consistently given power, whether it's within Jagex itself, within the UA-cam/Twitch community, Reddit, or another community. The problem comes from the top down, and until the company itself gets out of the power struggle with investors, this kind of problem and any other widescale will not be permanently fixed in the game of RuneScape, ever.
Tokens shouldn't be discontinued at all, just make them permanently rare on the TH, the slow trickle of them will help stop hoarding/making them into oddment buy even at high prices "fast buy with gold, slow save up oddments" A blue party hat is 120b 99.999 % of players will never get one in their life. Maybe its time for a new drop even for limited time to upset the economy ?
drop enough so the price goes down so its actually grindable or force the people to show the price to the actual market instead of trading between eachother and the price will fall because everyone knows 150b is ridiculous
Making the collectables untradeable will work. Or just disable them from being freely traded.
The worst thing is that all these people with original partyhats have the WORST fashionscape! Look at that guy at 4:00. What is that top/legs combo? They don't flow at all!
yea such a joke
Just make them untradable. lmao
Just completely nerf rares on rs3.
Rs3 has plenty of items that actually are worth something that can take the place of those over inflated rares. Sure the economy would be nuked, but it's a good thing because there's still plenty of room to recover.
Old guard rares are holding back the rs3 economy.
What a great video, at such an unprecedented time.
Thank god OSRS didn't introduce discontinued items
I had like 40 juju mining potions in for like 5m ea and they all sold was the most crazy shit ever
4b for a santa is a joke. I say this as i'm salty I sold mine for 900 mil before quitting!
just ban all pis2ols members from runescape
this is why pis2ols fc should be banned from runescape
People still play RS3?.. Fuckin why
Especially with RS3, I get the hesitation with deploying a blanket hammer to rare item trades. The people who can put in the time and skill in the game to earn enough money to buy those items legitimately are exactly the players a game dev doesn't want to drive away by obliterating the price with a rerelease.
a donkey's carrot is necessary to keep ppl trapped
People that can make billions of GP per day don’t buy bonds with $. It’s your new players trying to get upgrades that spend $. Jagex will find a way to sell items to players for $ that the billionaires will buy up. Thus redistributing the wealth over and over.
@@lidontlo The fact that some of in-game rich players don't even have spent a single real life penny and stay membership forever, while cost of buying membership became way too expansive pisses me so much that it's one of reasons I quitted Runescape.
Seriously fu*k this whole bond system. I rather know that there is RWT players in-game, who will get banned once they get caught *than* having Jagex RWT themselves. Why should player who rich in-game avoid paying membership? And why should rich IRL should get easy gp by selling bonds? This is anti-competitive and inequality. Your wealth should not affect the gameplay, only skill and dedication.
@@1God1Fury I mean I am going to have to point out that you are kinda wrong and just angry. The value of $ to bonds is very good. $30-50 gets you a nice gear set up to make 20-30m per hour skilling. So 5-6 hours of gameplay gets you 14 days of member ship. If you play 1 hour a day you can have a member ship for 6-7 days for free after you grind a bit.
@@lidontlo Do you really think that everyone make 1-3m per hour? That is rich people excuse. Just because you can make that much cash doesn't mean everyone can make that. Especially medium levels and f2p players
hello willmissit hope you’re having a wonderful day :)
Bro this game is wild af
well i mean....considering GP is just generated out of thin air, then creating an actual market expecting things like this not to happen is the first mistake.
even the stimulous checks in U.S affected the economy. it was $1,200 per person or household. still a drastic inflation event. i couldn't imagine trillions of GP coming from thin air lol
simple and effective solution: remove (ban) those rwters from pis2ols fc from the game. aka citi bank, emilia, etc
It’s insane how Pis2ols was never banned. Worst price manip in the history of RS. Even built his own discord price checker bot so that he can manip his items
@@Yes-vb4wg it’s really sad tbh
How dare you make a detailed video on their practices! Here comes the life threats
mate the prices of rares is a joke, tbh a phat should be 40b at max despite any inflation! the reason prices of rares went up is cuz they unbanned many rwters, goldfarmers, botters and they bought out all the rares
yeah it should be like 20-30b maybe max, 100+ is literally not grindable for people, if we're really gonna say its a status symbol of success and how much money you got that isnt even possible anymore. people with 100+ bill are prob shady as fuck with how they get it
@@mjesus850 for the most part the so called “merchers” not to mention lurers, scammers , rwters from pis2ols fc literally manipulated their way into billions by using alts and other ways. they literally pm you on alts when you’re selling or buying a rare and they make you sell/buy an item for billions less or more since that’s all they do. so if you’re inexperienced or a returning player you will most definitely get scammed by them. sadly they also own the entire price check on the forums and they also manipulate their own members into buying dumb items such as tokens , etc. I don’t think they belong on this game tbh
Jagex should make bonds a nbt like pokemon cards are in every country black party hate green santa hat gold/black hween mask should be rare return events and may a layer of rares that can show a level close to these event items but also are a bit more common as in every 5 years
Make all rares available in Solomon’s store for oddments lmao
I can get behind this.
and there would still be huge amounts of money in game (inflation)
@Morning Dew and you’re a salty mercher
You missed a huge reason why rares/items in general on rs has gone up - merchers yes, but INFLATION. Too much gp coming into game through TH/ED, im surprised you haven't touch on ED being full of alchable rewards that even the lowest of level players can farm/bots. Jagex just needs a huge money sink to combat the price of rares and items and make gp more valuable again, that's all, quite simple really.
This is the main issue. I had a red just after the release of vorago when it was ~2b. I never RWT'd, but for fun I looked up how much IRL cash I could sell it for. Back then 2b sold for ~$1500. Looking at the forums it looks like a red is between 40-50b now, and 40b today goes for ~$1600. So, in terms of actual value, the party hats have only gone up a tiny bit, GP is just worth way less now that it was 8 years ago
Inflation is definitely a small part of it, but it wouldn't explain an increase of 570% (blue phat) over 20 months, let alone a sudden spike in March.
The slow build up until that point is more representative of what inflation looks like.
@@rswillmissit I deal with the rare market, have bought phats recently, the prices in the last few months are legit and NOT a result of manipulation, it is because of inflation, everyone is getting richer because of price rises (i.e. bossing/lots of methods making 40mgp n hr) as a result of the amount of gp coming into the game making all items in game increase in price, making bossing more money, chain effect.
Yes manipulation of alts do occur, but it's from merchers to get 3-4b extra in deals or over inflate rares by a little to their advantage, however, please don't misconstrue this that thats the reason why rares are such high. It's still supply and demand, and right now theres a lot of demand on the OG rares because many are getting richer quicker.
Dupe glitch of GP did happen too, which you didn't mention which enhanced inflation further.
@@jlahjlahblah Massive coping comments. Yeah its the inflation that only happens to affect rares for some reason, how odd.
@@rswillmissit P.S In my opinion, I also think you're wrong in this video where you think Jagex released GPH and GSH to counter the prices of OG rares. A simple economist could tell you that adding new items won't change inflation nor prices of items. It's just GP circulating around the game. All it did was temporarily freeze prices during december of the OG rares (only a few lower rares lost a little value), however, it's all back up again but even higher. I highly doubt Jagex would be that stupid to release them for this reason because it'd never work. Only a money sink will solve the problems. they didn't release them to fight manipulation either, they just did it for Money for TH/and premier, lets be frank there. Again no mention of that?
I bought a green hween masks on rs3 probably early 2020 for all my cash maybe 430m if I remember correctly I have absolutely no clue how much it’s worth now but I can say it’s been the best merch I’ve ever had lmao I don’t think I’ll be selling it
I can't believe there's a video! I've been talking to my homies about how manipulated the RS3 prices are right now and how disgusting they skyrocketed out of nowhere!
AHAHA Also I cracked up when I saw the fish mask
Ok, I don't mean to minimize the issue or anything, but I laughed so damn hard at 9:30 😂 imagine quitting the whole game just because you can no longer afford party hats! The real issue is the real world trading, and more importantly the 70% of it that isn't made up of regular players who are engaged in real life criminal enterprises. That reddit post just reminds me of how overly dramatic r/runescape is
While I don't even want to kill players (even hostiles) when playing MMOs, my spot for an ego boost in these games is manipulating the market. Like baiting for people to sell me their expensive stuff through buy orders, taking advantage of price margins, manipulating order flow, etc.
This video gives some insight on how to do and not do them :)))
Kidding aside, nice videos. I've fallen into this RS rabbit hole cause of your videos
LMFAO, I figured see it, but when Will Miss It says its ran by a large clan and first image is a ss of someone trading a clanie.
150 Billion!? Who tf has/needs that kind of money?? At that point they should just stop playing because the only thing they do is bankstand to count their money. Like, who are they, Mr Krabs?😂
Jagex will NEVER get rid of gold buyers/sellers. I know MANY people who have sold and bought hundreds or thousands of dollars in gold, and there's no consequences. Osrs btw.
Intentionally and systematically releasing vidyas about fake dupes may tank the market. If lots of people did them at similar times
and how do we fix this issue you may ask? well banning every member of pis2ols and then putting their accs up for bank bidders would be a nice start or actually just do a tournament where other players could win their rares
why would this solve the problem? you'll have those rares crash and be dumped into the market quicker then you could harm a gold phat, then the cycle would start over again with a different group of people
the best way jagex could stop the price manipulation? give out p-hats/santa hats/masks etc. as rewards again, making them tradeable and watch the prices plummet as evryone gets them for events. lol
plus i think it would be hilarious to watch the rich people freak out about it.
Maybe one way to combat the inflation would be a GE tax. Rather than the GE being a free service there is a cost proportional to the value of the item being sold. That way selling to yourself in the GE loses money. Of course this affects normal players but also incentivizes trading in person where this tax doesn't exist.
Jagex thinking they can track people who buy gold.. Behave. They can’t do and haven’t done anything. I have both RMT and bought gold over and over and it’s effortless
I used to have a green Halloween mask and like 200 mil cash back in the day I got scammed for it then quit for 6 years. Few months back I checked the price of it over max cash, so I started playing old school lol
Give everyone a keepsaked party hat set and get this over with.
im down
I don't get how people can cry about people buying stuff and selling it on a much higher price.. that's just how the market works. It's not the sellers fault if it sells for the much higher price.. just don't buy it if you don't want to pay the amount.
I hate MMO Mercanters. If you're good with money, then spend your time making _actual_ money in the real world, do stocks or something. Items in games should be for the players that actually enjoy the game for what it is and want the item for what it is, rather than as an arbitrary token for financial success.
bank bidders, time has come
I came across this video and I feel like am idiot dropping all of my crackers and party hats back in 2015 I had every party hat and I’m sitting here with my thumb up my ass
Tax the rich
JFC, 15 years to figure out: hmm... maybe banning the people buying the RWT gold too would be a great idea.
It's funny what people would do for so much for so little an expensive items that haven't been updated since the 2008 HD update
I doubt jagex is doing. anything.. but my god, is suity and other price manip forums doing a LOT about it :_) lol
Has anybody commented on the fact that the I.C.U member of staff at 11:11 has a can of Strongbow, bottle of Sol AND a bottle of Becks on his desk?
Best idea i can think of is "jagax shold buy all the pt hats exist with gp and destroy it, removing it completely from echonomy"
Only in Runescape would a purple MS Paint Burger King crown command such a bonkers amount of money.
I didnt need to watch this. I sold my yellow party hat for less than a max cash stack back when osrs came out for swapping. I got hacked in osrs and needed gold :/
i dont get it, why even care about those items, they are purely cosmetic, so nobody needs one, just get the cheaper version or dont buy any at all, if people dont buy those items, the price will fix themselves.
The complexities of this video game economy 😂😂 this is crazy😭. I fuckin love runescape
I don’t get the point of such rare items in a game. If has jaxex I’d just release new ones. Bye bye special snowflakes.
There’s one simple way to fix it they aren’t fighting it they already know what needs to be done but wont do it just add shards to ge or plat toks simple ...
Lol re introduce them 😂🤷🏼♂️ they’d go from billions to 100m real quick
theyre only able to sell them for stupid price because people are willing to pay the price, dont be stupid with your cash, dont buy it, simple fix
Zombie walk animation and Kree'arra pet are the two most annoying things in the game
Sold my GoldPH and green Santa for 1.2 bil total. But I sold em early on. Coulda been rich af
The only people who want the price of rares to drop are those who can’t afford one
That feel when I bought my Black Santa for 200m back in the day
How about adding in a bunch of the deleted ones back in the the game and giving them to us players that have never been able to afford one.
Jagex employees are selling rs gold themselves. Where do you think they get their bonus from?
The santa hats remind me of the huge stack oakdice bought, then lost access to the account
You know rs3 economy is fucked when everything is stupidly inflated to hell even with invention lol
I just keep a fair amount of tokens in my bank and wait a few years till they become worth a lot of gp :)
Great video! Glad I have a green ween and bought it at 2.55b... shits at 2.9b now rofl
The real solution is to re add the rares to the game. If they keep making them more rare, this will continue!
Then you have the newest one "Tablet of Het" because Jagex forgot the (Inactive) variant is tradeable.
It's being removed Monday retroactively. From everyone's banks
Fucking. Money laundering.
Money laundering in runescape. Ive seen it all.
why not introduce taxation?
get a corporate tax that acts onto most extreme trades
that would create friction for manipulation income
Personally, as someone who has a green santa hat and a gold partyhat, I find rares silly as they do not have any function in the game other than it being historical or cosmetic. What I do not like is the manipulation of prices of resources. For example the huge price hike in blood runes and yak milk. Yak milk is hard to get making it even more expensive...
They aren’t real rares lol
You’d change your mind about them being silly if you owned an actual rare
The only way to fix it permanently is to make all discontinued rare items non trade-able
What happened to Cristmas ghost outfit with quest type of „rare“ or holiday items
I think a big thing your missing in this video is inflation. Money can be made sooo easy now so everything has to raise in price.
Eventually and mark my words a single bond will be worth 100m its inevitable.
It's a point worth considering, but this would be reflected in other items aswell as real world trading prices. Those are still increasing ever so slightly with time, not mountaining like the rares...
"NFT is so dumb"
also
"OMG i have a half full jug of wine!!!!!!!!!"
Could a time limited trade work, ie if a santa was just traded you can't re trade it for a month?