Well, from the one league I’m in I think the answer to the community question is that most people don’t know if they’re in a rebuild or not and maybe they need outside eyes to tell them if they are or not
You kind of know when it’s time to rebuild. Hard to admit sometimes. But if you have to squint and be like well if these rookies become top 12 and my vets have a throwback season if we are realistic you aren’t going to win. So do you want to get the 1.08 or sell some vets and get up to top 4 pick and have ability to get some new elite assets or trade for em. So basically if you have to dream up outcomes for your players to just sneak into the playoffs. Just rebuild lol.
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Hey, first time watcher but great content! Love hearing more about the underappreciated TE position! I was just offered my McBride and Keon Coleman for his Laporta. Contending team. I know you consider them in the same tier, but would this move up to the presumptive dynasty TE1 be something you'd be interested in? 1.5 TE premium.
Depending on how you value Coleman, this is absolutely the structure of a deal we would make. Coleman by some people is valued around a late 1st (we have seen him go 1.10 in some leagues). We would probably want instead a 25 1st in return. We would look to structure the deal something like this: McBride and the 25 1st for Laporta and a 25 3rd. We would consider this an absolute smash then. We do not think we are smart enough to know which of these young studs will be the better TE this year, so that is why we bucket them in tiers. If you are really high on Coleman and value him around that late 1st in value then this is also a good deal, but like. I said, we dont. If you watch our WR tier video, you could also target a tier 5 or higher WR in the deal, or a guy you believe in. Conversely, if you think Coleman would be a valuable trade piece in you league you could take this deal, but generally speaking the guy who was highest on him alreaedy drafted him an is now looking to move him, which doesn't inspire confidence in the market. Glad to have a satisfied 1st time watcher, we are doing our best to put out great content and improve together! would love your input on our community question: “How do you decide when it is time to rebuild? What types of factors are most important for you when evaluating and making this choice?” We can read your response on our next long form episode!
@@Dynoconff Thanks for the very detailed response! To be clear, I am the team with McBride + Keon currently, so I was actually the one thinking of trading them both away to the owner of Laporta, who said he would accept it if I sent it. I am a little bit higher on Laporta than McBride (maybe partially because I am a big Lions fan lol), but I just find it hard to believe that any rookie TE who was that good will be anything but elite moving forward. I have slight concerns about McBride's target share with MHJ in the fold. As for Keon, I did draft him at the 2.03 in our 10 team league (13th overall), but I am not super committed to him or anything. As for your question, I have been playing dynasty for 3 years now, and I have thankfully not had to rebuild my team yet (3 peat champ in a 3 year league). I am starting to get to the point where my startup players who led me to my championships are aging out a little bit (Tyreek, Davante, Barkley), and am actually thinking about this question a lot. Personally, I am someone who believes that they should be competing for as many playoff spots as possible, and should really be trying to get a 1st round playoff bye whenever they can. Even though there are currently 2 juggernaut teams in my league, I believe that as the probable third best team, anything can happen in the playoffs, so I should give it a shot. The point I might start to consider rebuilding completely was when I felt that I was either getting too much value to pass up on in a deal (just traded Tyreek because of that), or I feel like I am not likely to make the playoffs anymore. And I also believe that "bottoming out" should only be done when you absolutely have to. In my league, too many teams are looking at the 2 juggernaut teams and thinking "I have no shot at beating that team" so they decide to try to completely tank when they don't need to.
@@Deadeye971 Ahh, well in that case, although we don't believe in Keon, in general the valuation of keon in this deal is likely that of about a 1st or 2 2nds which we are not taking. We might then try to sell just keon and see if you can get a 1st from that owner. we would add a 3rd to keon for the 1st. of course there is always a chance you regret this, but the process would be sound.
Too preoccupied with youth at TE. Antonio Gates was 39 when he retired. Delanie Walker was 38, Tony Gonzales was 37, Vernon Davis was 36, Greg Olsen was 35, Rob Gronkowski was 33,.... I could continue including Travis Kelce, Jimmy Graham who haven't retired yet. David Njoku and George Kittle are in their prime for TE's. It's simply not true, to suggest that the highest valued tight ends worth having are the youthful ones. Dulcich? Maybe take a closer look at Lucas Krull. who Sean Payton is raving about. And why not any love for Daniel Bellinger? Did you not notice that Darren Waller has retired? Somebody has to play TE for the Giants. I mean I get that they drafted Theo Johnson but he's much too raw IMO to step into a 3 down role as a rookie.
Really appreciate the comment! As a dynasty podcast we are also very worried about liquidity and trade value. We also will take a look at those players, but the question of when they retired vs. When they were last a top 6 TE is probably very different for most of them. Furthermore many of these guys are true outliers, which we will admit Kelce certainly can be too. We don't even necessarily doubt Kelce's ability, just the likelihood of him being saved somewhat for the playoffs since they have more weapons and are so good. On the younger guys, we will admit we are slightly agist, but that's because we love trading. 90% of my rosters turn over every two year so I like to have players every team is interested in not just a few. That being said, my most rostered non waver wire pickup is Kelce. It's because he is available cheaper. Thanks again for the comment, Justin
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Well, from the one league I’m in I think the answer to the community question is that most people don’t know if they’re in a rebuild or not and maybe they need outside eyes to tell them if they are or not
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You kind of know when it’s time to rebuild. Hard to admit sometimes. But if you have to squint and be like well if these rookies become top 12 and my vets have a throwback season if we are realistic you aren’t going to win. So do you want to get the 1.08 or sell some vets and get up to top 4 pick and have ability to get some new elite assets or trade for em. So basically if you have to dream up outcomes for your players to just sneak into the playoffs. Just rebuild lol.
To real, we all have to be honest with eachother sometime!
If you are one of our listeneter league Winners, either reach out to us on X @dynoconff or email us at dynonconstructionff@gmail.com! We are so excited to play with all of you!
Hey, first time watcher but great content! Love hearing more about the underappreciated TE position!
I was just offered my McBride and Keon Coleman for his Laporta. Contending team. I know you consider them in the same tier, but would this move up to the presumptive dynasty TE1 be something you'd be interested in? 1.5 TE premium.
Depending on how you value Coleman, this is absolutely the structure of a deal we would make. Coleman by some people is valued around a late 1st (we have seen him go 1.10 in some leagues). We would probably want instead a 25 1st in return. We would look to structure the deal something like this: McBride and the 25 1st for Laporta and a 25 3rd. We would consider this an absolute smash then. We do not think we are smart enough to know which of these young studs will be the better TE this year, so that is why we bucket them in tiers.
If you are really high on Coleman and value him around that late 1st in value then this is also a good deal, but like. I said, we dont. If you watch our WR tier video, you could also target a tier 5 or higher WR in the deal, or a guy you believe in. Conversely, if you think Coleman would be a valuable trade piece in you league you could take this deal, but generally speaking the guy who was highest on him alreaedy drafted him an is now looking to move him, which doesn't inspire confidence in the market.
Glad to have a satisfied 1st time watcher, we are doing our best to put out great content and improve together! would love your input on our community question: “How do you decide when it is time to rebuild? What types of factors are most important for you when evaluating and making this choice?”
We can read your response on our next long form episode!
@@Dynoconff Thanks for the very detailed response! To be clear, I am the team with McBride + Keon currently, so I was actually the one thinking of trading them both away to the owner of Laporta, who said he would accept it if I sent it. I am a little bit higher on Laporta than McBride (maybe partially because I am a big Lions fan lol), but I just find it hard to believe that any rookie TE who was that good will be anything but elite moving forward. I have slight concerns about McBride's target share with MHJ in the fold. As for Keon, I did draft him at the 2.03 in our 10 team league (13th overall), but I am not super committed to him or anything.
As for your question, I have been playing dynasty for 3 years now, and I have thankfully not had to rebuild my team yet (3 peat champ in a 3 year league). I am starting to get to the point where my startup players who led me to my championships are aging out a little bit (Tyreek, Davante, Barkley), and am actually thinking about this question a lot. Personally, I am someone who believes that they should be competing for as many playoff spots as possible, and should really be trying to get a 1st round playoff bye whenever they can. Even though there are currently 2 juggernaut teams in my league, I believe that as the probable third best team, anything can happen in the playoffs, so I should give it a shot. The point I might start to consider rebuilding completely was when I felt that I was either getting too much value to pass up on in a deal (just traded Tyreek because of that), or I feel like I am not likely to make the playoffs anymore. And I also believe that "bottoming out" should only be done when you absolutely have to. In my league, too many teams are looking at the 2 juggernaut teams and thinking "I have no shot at beating that team" so they decide to try to completely tank when they don't need to.
@@Deadeye971 Ahh, well in that case, although we don't believe in Keon, in general the valuation of keon in this deal is likely that of about a 1st or 2 2nds which we are not taking. We might then try to sell just keon and see if you can get a 1st from that owner. we would add a 3rd to keon for the 1st. of course there is always a chance you regret this, but the process would be sound.
Too preoccupied with youth at TE. Antonio Gates was 39 when he retired. Delanie Walker was 38, Tony Gonzales was 37, Vernon Davis was 36, Greg Olsen was 35, Rob Gronkowski was 33,.... I could continue including Travis Kelce, Jimmy Graham who haven't retired yet. David Njoku and George Kittle are in their prime for TE's. It's simply not true, to suggest that the highest valued tight ends worth having are the youthful ones.
Dulcich? Maybe take a closer look at Lucas Krull. who Sean Payton is raving about. And why not any love for Daniel Bellinger? Did you not notice that Darren Waller has retired? Somebody has to play TE for the Giants. I mean I get that they drafted Theo Johnson but he's much too raw IMO to step into a 3 down role as a rookie.
Really appreciate the comment!
As a dynasty podcast we are also very worried about liquidity and trade value.
We also will take a look at those players, but the question of when they retired vs. When they were last a top 6 TE is probably very different for most of them. Furthermore many of these guys are true outliers, which we will admit Kelce certainly can be too. We don't even necessarily doubt Kelce's ability, just the likelihood of him being saved somewhat for the playoffs since they have more weapons and are so good.
On the younger guys, we will admit we are slightly agist, but that's because we love trading. 90% of my rosters turn over every two year so I like to have players every team is interested in not just a few.
That being said, my most rostered non waver wire pickup is Kelce. It's because he is available cheaper.
Thanks again for the comment,
Justin
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There will be many others! Might do one more in August, depends on the other hosts, but Justin will almost certainly do one even if the others won't also join!