Orchestra of Destruction, the KV-6 | Fake Tank Friday
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Known far and wide in the tank history community the KV-6 is probably the most famous fake tank to grace the internet. However, most probably don't know the full story of exactly how this tank came to life. Enjoy the premiere of the new series Fake Tank Friday with me as we delve into the story of Stalin's Orchestra.
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Timestamps:
0:00 - 0:58 Intro
0:58 - 1:40 Opening remarks
1:40 - 3:24 Fake design history
3:24 - 4:32 Armor and armament
4:32 - 6:16 Fake combat history
6:16 - 8:40 The REAL story behind the KV-6
8:40 - 9:17 Outro
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What tank should I cover next in this series? Also be sure to check out the description to follow me on Instagram, TikTok, or my Shorts channel so you don't miss those short educational snippets.
Why Not The KV-44
Any tank from World of tanks
@@AFinnGundam is this a joke?
make a vid about french super heavys like FCM F1, char 2C and 2C bis.
PzKpfw X ?
'The tank doesn't need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin' best quote ever made in tank development history
Biggest brain
i mean, is true after all lmao
A World of Tanks wet dream.
It really sounds like something hitler would say
How silly, the tank just need to fire the #1 and #3 turrets at the opposite directions to spin the tank
Wow...thanks for getting the actual history of my KV-6 I built years ago pretty accurate. I did build this as a joke and the references should be obviously seen as fake as well. "Dreadful Din on the Eastern Front" by Erich Maria Remarque Jr. is a bit obvious to most. I posted the built model and my "history"of the KV-6 on a modeling site in 1997 and the internet distorted it from there. As stated on other sites and here again...this was meant to be fun for me and funny to others in the scale modeling community...it was never intended to be a fake or a hoax or taken seriously.
I'm surprised you didn't put the largest turret at the front. :)
@@absalomdraconis Well, for balance of course and this way the 152mm guns can for over the top of the front turret...like a battleship
Though you're fake and is not the actual person that build up the Kv-6 hoax, i think this is how the actual creator's gonna reply to this video
as a concept and as a model, great job on it! its super interesting and funny
I was not expecting the mad lad himself to show up. Thats how you know you're a name in the tank history business on youtube.
Top ten best ww2 quotes :1 Stalin “it does not need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin”
Yes...I enjoyed coming up with that line...sounds like something he would say doesn't it?
@@brianfowler8825 yeah that’s Stalin alright
@@brianfowler8825 you are ingenious
This tank wouldn't be able to turn without breaking it's tracks. It _might_ have had a future as an armoured train. But I doubt it.
I don't think those treads could *exist* without breaking the second the thing rolls forward, let alone turning.
An armored train that provides its own tracks. Brilliant!
@@thefez-cat no need to turn, it goes straight to berlin
putting the middle turret alone on a KV-2 chassis might have worked.
@@sheilaolfieway1885 KV-2-2 sounds nice.
This is a really good idea for a series, as not only could it dispel any confusion around popular tank designs, but also provide insight as to how they came to be.
As for potential subjects for future episodes, I would say any of Wargaming’s fakes would be great to cover (such as the T25/2, T28 Prototype, and T110E4), as well as some other fakes that arose from model-making, such as the E100 Krokodil.
E 100 Krokodil?
Now i have to google that.
Also the T110E4 was a concept tank. While only a design i think its ok to include it.
@@edenjung9816 What I mean is Wargaming's version of the T110E4 is fake. The real T110E4 design is the in-game T110E3; what WG did was give it a turret and a different gun mantle so they could fill the tier 10 spot of the turreted TD line, even though there are other *real* designs that could have been used instead (Like the H2 and H3 heavy tanks).
I'd love to see an episode on the Krokodil. The first fake tank I almost fell for back in the day.
Also, considering WG's imaginary tanks, the E-50M might also make a small but interesting topic.
@@JP-dz5oj do you have any link to H2 and H3 tanks? im interested
Funny enough there is a tank known as the KV-6
It’s a KV-1 modified to have a flamethrower mounted in the hull.
Further modifications then had the flamethrower moved into the turret.
After this modification the tank was renamed as the KV-8
What happened to the KV-7?
@@yi_hou3092 its the tri gun kv1, aka take a kv1 remove the turret and mount a superstructure, then keep the 76 and slap two 45mm guns next to it.
bam kv7. and it failed badly because the one loader couldnt feed three guns. also a lack of ammo and bad ammo placement didnt help. there was a kv-7-2 which was just a kv-7 but now with 2 76s and that failed as well.
@@Thekilleroftanks It didn't fail. It wasn't even a combat vehicle. It was intended to test the casemate for the SU 152 in terms of recoil endurance as the 2 45s and the 76 produced about the same amount of stress as a single 152 mm gun.
@@user-le8wr4yz6q no they both saw service. While yes the original goal was to test for the su-152 that failed anyways because while on paper the recoil was the same in practice it wasn't. So they had to still go with the original option and build the tank and gun.
The kv7-2 was a solution for the kv7 combat failure in a bunker buster role seeing the 45s were worthless. But that failed because of it's limited arc.
@@Thekilleroftanks they saw testing, not service. Two ballistic tests took place and that was it first made sure that the army never took that thing into production and the second gave way into reconfiguring the chassis for the 152 mm.
"It does not need to turn, It will drive straight to Berlin."
- Stalin, 1941
What a chad
That “free trip to Siberia” gag had me rolling. Great video as always!
Germany's answer was the Double Maus, two Maus chassis welded together back to front, also introducing the concept of identical forward and backward drivers. The prototype was deemed a failure so as they had failed to make both gear boxes identical for both forward and rearward speed, limiting the vehicle to 3 mph in reverse either way.
It would have been able to go at 20kph either way, the Maus had an electric transmission and therefore could go at maximum speed either way
after this failure, Germany designed the swastimaus, 16 maus tanks welded together in the shape of a swastika. designed to Beyblade itself around the battlefield.
@@alphaplayzz1381 12? How do you arrange 3 of them into an equal-sided L-shape?
@@inertrhombus8 I always remembered a swastika as having the outer legs shorter than the inner, my bad
@Lazys The Dank Engineer luckily for the swastimaus, the Soviet designers massively underestimated the energy contained within a 3008 ton machine spinning several thousand times per minute
I love to watch every video you post each one always shows how much passion you have for the history of these vehicles real or fake. I hope you keep up the great work!
Let's think if this tank is real. My question is where will the engine go? In behind, there is a turret. In the front, there is a turret. in the middle, there is a turret. Come on 😑😑 it's doesn't make sense
@@Geniusinventor it was already said to be right behind the dual 152MM turret
@@The_Enclave8 where transmission?
Under the crew, like literally every other motorized vehicle
@@The_Enclave8 I was testing you, the kv tank has its transmission at the rear of that tank and the engine is also at the back but in this kV-6 design there is no space for an engine or transmission
"Why not call it kv3"
"Ivan we are reserving up to five for other heavy tank"
Here’s another title idea “Frauds, Fakes, and Phonies”
Also it may be fake, but it’s real in our hearts
("Sgt. J."). Yeah... "I, got 1 of those in the back yard." 😆.lol.
Imagine the freaking _racket_ as it tries to drive forward with all those damn wheels, bogies, and ~100 feet of steel tracks on each side. Also imagine what happens if this thing threw a freaking track. That actually reminds me - do any of the fake sources mention what engine supposedly drove this thing at 13mph?
I would have to assume it's the exact same engine as the KV1/2 due to time constraints. As such i would be surprised if it broke 10mph.
It's the same engine that drove the KV2,but it's special. It's made of PURE stalinium
As opposed to the usual stalinium-leninium alloy
I will remind you what gearbox of kv-1 was designed to 40 tonn tank, and broken was reason of many left kv's
Can you imagine this in kv-6 ?
@@namefamily2748 the original KV tanks used a 20 year old transmission design meant for caterpillar tractors, so even worse.
Greetings!
I'm pretty sure somebody already mentioned it, but if not, there were KV-6s. They were flamethrower variants, used 110-litre tanks and the ATO-41 flamethrower in the hull. Unlike the later KV-8 and KV-8s, there were no changes to the main armament.
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the kv8/8s used an "automatic" flamethrower, from what I've seen it shot the fuel more like a rifle than a hose
Imagine the 45mm operators dancing on top of 152mm howitzer breeches while they are being loaded and turrets are rotating to separate directions.
This thing is a great example of total ignorance of turret internals like so many fictional tanks.
Wow, this design belongs in World of Tanks as a special game mode. Think of the hilarity of two teams of tanks battling it out with broadsides. And turn team (and self) damage on for even more fun. ;-)
Introducing, World of Warships: Land Battle!
Nahh, it looks good as a tier 8 premium. Just up it's speed to about 50 KM/h
I binged every single video you have in 5 days, and I couldn’t wait for more. Thank you for making this content man!
This is a great idea for a series. I suggest you do the P1000 "Ratte" next - it has an absurd amount of traction in the community for something that when one digs into the actual source material is incredibly sketchy.
When the doctrine "Nut Nuff Dakka" is followed to the letter.
IMO fakes should be shared online as long as they're labeled as such, and provided with sufficient explanation.
Since youtube removed dislike button, trolls have been posting tons of videos of perpetuum mobile machines, and the internet is filled with fake engineering again. These are dark times, and people should be offered education to tell truth from lies --- by teaching them what the lies are.
I support these series.
The dislike button is still there you just can't publically see the number of dislikes...
@@sheilaolfieway1885 Unless you are very severely mentally impaired --- which I do not assume you are --- you should be aware that the removal of publicly-visible dislike count is de facto removal of public opinion, thus the ultimate censorship move. Your opinion does no longer count at all (step-down from counting "very little"), and even if you try to express it through videos instead --- it'll result in a shadowban.
It is a North Korea - tier level of censorship.
Being an engineer, I've had people send me what they thought was "perpetuum mobile" videos, spending money on components with intent on building it, all happening since YT removed the available dislike count. Internet has never been filled with scams this much, with errors, misinformation.
.... and the worst of all is the intent of those censoring us. They are doing so to protect their culturally anarchist agenda, their puppet politicians, their destructive corporations. So, yeah, dislike button isn't there anymore.
@@ShomiTheGreat I'm just clarifying yes it is wrong but it's not a total removal but to the commenters the button is removed.
The KV6 would fit well in the WH40k universe as an ork tank.
Wut are ya talkin' aboot! Not only iz it painted al' wrong, it needs moar DAKKA! Alsa, howz it supposed to be good at krumpin' without the figah-head!
@@SephirothRyu when grammar
@@frost_spirit3314 Yeah, sorry, I'm not always good at properly emulating Orkish grammar. Definitely mixed some Caribbean pirate or something in there somewhere.
It doesn't need to be sent back to the factory for repairs, it needs to be sent back to a shipyard !
There was a limited time game mode in World of Tanks where the ToG 2 was transformed into the HMS TOG. That would be fun to see, even if it’s more of a tank-boat
"It does not need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin!"
...ends up in Tehran
With this tank, there is no need to turn this tank, you only need to drive straight to Berlin!
Love the story, funny as heck! A tank so unbelievably large and armed to the teeth, that it requires the need to use broadside tactics like a battle ship, as to safely fire it’s main dual cannon turret. Which could have possibly of been worked around with a miracle or two, had the tank been able to turn to begin with. love it, that stuff is so amusing, and laughable.
Excellent idea for a video series that will bring in new viewers aside from tank/history buffs. Can't wait to see more!
I feel like I remember my older brother reading me the description of this tank in the early 00s and it just came flooding back when you said the Stalin quote about not needing to turn lol
CONE IS LITERALLY THE GREATEST HISTORIAN ON YT
*Laughs in Mark Felton
*Nicholas Moran*
I'm afraid I have to point over to drachinifel as far as reviewing vehicles goes (specifically, naval ships from age of sail to WW2 for the most part).
Extra History was pretty good too back in the day.
The intro animation looks quite funny, I'll say that.
Keep doing more videos like this. Was both interesting and funny; especially how the prototypes were destroyed. I thought that possible problems were the tank shooting itself and breaking in 2 during crossing ditches, but I never thought about it overturning during firing. Should have realized that with the way ships roll when firing all armament.
0:37
Gotta love how the movie "White Tiger" by sheer accident made opposing tank/main antagonist of the movie Tiger P by using IS-2(big single layer wheels with torsion bar suspension) as basis for model, saying how it's different from other Tigers and mentioning it's unusually thick hull armor.
The movie is rather meh and this wasn't planned, but that's kind of accidentally ties in with that sole command tank that vanished irl.
I hate to be "that guy" but the tank on screen at 0:37 is actually a panzer 4H, at least a really good reproduction of one, not sure what tank would be under that skin though... Though you might have just been talking about the movie in general and i sound like an idiot here.
They had a completely new fake H1 tiger made out of very thin steel, but powertrain issues delayed it so they went for an IS.
Thank you for posting this. As a model builder, I have indeed heard of the notorious KV-6. I wish that Tamiya would come out with a 1/35th scale kit of this. I think it would be fun to build! Maybe they could use their 1970's vintage KV kits as a starting point to keep costs down, now that they've come up with newer, more detailed iterations of the actual KV's.
That is an interesting idea. Tamiya has a history of only releasing relatively few armor kits a year and real ones which is fine with me. If it does come out it will be one of those companies that releases ever single version of a Paper Panzers that never existed:)
@@brianfowler8825 I tend to agree. Sadly, that would mean that the price of any potential KV-VI kit would be astronomical - even if the company could manage to acquire the tooling from Tamiya for their '70's vintage kits to keep costs down. For now, I'm currently working on a German version using three of the classic, 1/32 scale Monogram PzKpfw IV kits. I figure that if Joe Stalin had one of these; Hitler would want one, too . . . .
From what I heard from one old veteran, KV6 was not just a theoretical concept, but a prototype machine. The idea was to fit a 203 mm M1931 howitzer on a heavily modified KV chassis. After some initial testing, the KV6 project was canceled and the chassis utilized in another project. Mind you, he explicitly stated those were rumors they heard from older tankers and engineers, so take it with a grain of salt. Whatever it was, I am grateful to that old man - because of him I educated myself and learned a lot about armored vehicles.
There was a prototype of SPG.
KV hull with 203mm howitzer. It was called S-51.
That was really awesome! I love the deadpan delivery of obviously fake and ridiculous history!
"the cesspool of TikTok" I think that's the most apt description of it I've ever heard.
your videos 5 months ago actually inspired me to go to the german panzer museum up near Munster and it was fantastic! Definitely nerded out over several of my favourite tanks.
The line "It does not need to turn, it will drive straight to Berlin" suits Stalin so perfectly
You missed the part where the KV-6 had a heavy variant, the KV-6H. It was armed with 69 KV-2 turrets and 420 flamethrowers, to account for the immense weight the wheels were removed. Instead the crew was ordered to push the tank around the battlefield by hand.
I heard people said it looked nice but only set itself ablaze...
Нет, it actually used 22 FD-series steam locomotives for propulsion, neatly hidden between the aft 12-inch sponsons. Everyone knows that.
@@davydovua oh, I was sure they picked it and walked it around flintstones style
@@lafox2833 Nah, that's fiction. Imagine how they would have held hold onto it in Russian winter - it's metal, and it's stupid cold!
@@davydovua very true, if only the germans would have though of that with the panzer footvagen 7 they might have not frozen to death.
Yes, it was obviously absurd. But damn, it was also glorious and just absurd enough for the Soviets to have tried! Yes, more content like this please!
As a #shorts hater I do thank you from the bottom of my heart for keeping them in a channel of their own so I can choose to no see them easy.
What i like the most is the ever continuing intro
You convinced me to sub after lurking for weeks. Thanks!
I’m excited for the new series! This video was great.
Next up: Pz.Kpfw. XI "Jagdlöwe", the 160 ton tank destroyer based on the E-100 hull.
While the Ratte design didn't get off the planning phase, its idea to use battleship cannons was deemed promising and an order was given to design a tank destroyer which would use a modified version of the 38cm cannons (38cm SK C/34) used on the Bismarck-class warships. The design was finished and two of these were made, however I haven't been able to figure out what their fates were. I can remember it looking somewhat like an E-100 with a blocky "turret" for the cannon, similar to what the Jagdtiger had. Its cannon also likely didn't have the same kind of power or range as the original as the barrel seemed to have been shortened somewhat. I do remember that it was supposed to be used as a mobile artillery piece and shore defense platform, but I don't think I saw any mentions of how it was eventually used. I can imagine it not having done well, considering the mass of the vehicle, logistics needed for its fuel and ammo supply and the immense recoil such a cannon would have applied on the tank. Not sure if it was one of the "wonderweapons" or not, although considering how ridiculous it was, wouldn't be surprised.
_In case you're wondering, none of this is real; no such tank was ever designed, let alone built. But if we're imagining what the different kinds of cursed imaginary tanks could have been, I'm fairly sure this would have been one of the most german ones out there._
Great video love this new series!!!
Man these intro’s are so well produced. Great vid.
This video gonna be good
Holy shit Cone! You are almost at 250k! Damn keept it up!
Brian's model was originally posted on my web-site back in 1997. I just updated the entry by uploading the missing image. The new URL ends in 12982 (was 119). Note that UA-cam's AI deletes direct links (URL's) so you'll have to manually change the URL.
Tbh, I love 'what if', prototype, and wacky designs
"It does not need to turn, it will go straight to berlin" damn that shit goes hard as hell
Excited for this new series
I'm always a tank nut,so it's a joy to see a new video posted!
I’d love this series! Do continue it please
That intro scene is an awesome play on the OG intro!
Love this channel. And this is why. You DO make history interesting. And, I’m going to take a page from you and talk about something fake to ilustrate a real history.
I’m glad I could make the 1st one!
As a modeller myself this thing is just brilliant, painstaking work probably went into this behemoth, I love it
Fantastic video!
Having seen numerous imaginary tanks in WoTs, I really appreciate this kind of video and would love to see more.
I like the pretty thorough history on this fake tank
Most fake tanks are made for fun or just to fool people with simple history. But this fake tank has some really cool fake history behind it, and you've covered it amazingly.
I'm trying to think of any other fake tanks or tanks you've not done, but I can't think of anything.
Ok but can we all just appreciate the intro? The small battle scene just *aggressive chefs kiss*
Yay I havnt seen any good videos on the kv6 I'm exited that your making a video on it
As ridiculous and impractical as multi-turreted "land battleship" concept tanks are, there's still something about them that really appeals to my inner ten year old. Like, it's a giant rolling fortress with multiple rooms inside of it and rockets and flamethrowers. How is that not fucking awesome.
gotta say, all your intros have gotten way better
Great caption in the thumbnail. A great play on "Stalin's Organ". :)
Ooh! Love this new series format. You could keep this going for years just off the stuff WoT made or the 10.5cm Tiger 2. Or Armored Warfare tanks
Yeah,WoT alone can provide content for half a decade.
Awesome videos, bro!
The photo shop tanks in the intro are impressive, a tiger 1 with a panther D or A turret? love it
I have barely slept in like, several weeks, and was somehow gotten got by this video
Between the "Stalin" quote and the story of each tank's demise, I don't think I've EVER laughed so hard at a "history" video!
Totally down for Fake Tank Friday. :D Will Bolos be featured at some point or you planning on "historical" fake tanks like this one?
I was inspired to build this tank several years ago. There was a lot of surplus Trumpeter models in various shops back then so I was able buy two KV1s and a KV2 for cheaps. I finished the main body and turret emplacement but then I moved on to other models.
When I built it was before Trumpeter was around..I used two Tamiya KV-IE's, Two KV-II's, I recasted in resin Zvezda T-60 turret for the twin 12.7 mm mg's, and two AER T-38 turrets and finally, Italieri B-5 and Katyusha. The tracks were taken from two DML IS-2's.
Right up there with that double barreled SP howitzer they said was fielded around the turn of the century.
Enginer: Sir it couldnt drive to berlin it broke in half Stalin: turn the others into train carriges and pretend this never happned Narrator: and thus the age of the kv6 ended and the age of the soviets unexplainable amount of armored trains started
2:16, that's an interesting suspension, looks kind of like a Horstmann but with two independent springs instead of shared ones.
awesome love this channel
Excellent intro, very well done
I you did my day better because you posted
the lore of this fake tank is bloody hilarious- it's fair to say this was someone with a good gras on History having some good old fashioned troll humour.
Very well done!
This makes the Mamoth from Command and Conquer red alert look normal.
Keep it up every Friday and it'll be awesome, I'd suggest the T110E4 it's super strong in games and I'd love to learn some factual stuff about it.
An other great tank to cover for your new series would be the Japanse heavy tanks. Also that Mark Felton reference was just brilliant
Regarding the KV-6, I always knew about it, but I figured it was about as Real as the Maus. Or... It's been made out of Sheet metal, or cheap replicas have been made, but beyond that, the tank never been explored farther.
I look forward to this series.
Thanks for the great content
This was great to watch
"It doesn't need to turn. It will drive straight to Berlin" is the most Stalin response to a problem I've ever heard in my life.
Love the idea of a series of the fake tanks
Wow we can appreciate enough your videos are amazing please do more of this in the future, 😮😮😮😃
It's actually really interesting. You clearly label it as fake so there will not be any mistakes made by anyone watching. I like that!
It's really interesting how people jump on these kinds of things and almost *wish* them into being. A snapshot of a collective psyche that exists at the time; in a way it is historically relevant, just not quite in as "direct" a way that real tank designs are
great vid keep it up!
The opening footage of the Independence day parade from Kyiv, I live here and been to that parade. Those 64's did rock the ground, loud beasts
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I love the concept of Fake Tank Friday
This was a great video
These intros are the best i’ve ever seen
I love it, its so stupidly awesome!