Hello Judy, I remember this episode. And enjoyed it. It showed me the true meaning of native American people ancestry, which is something that moved me. When Joseph Spoke about the trail of tears. It definitely moved me. Thank you, Judy.😊❤
Thanks for sharing the controversy BTS! I admire Will Geer and Ralph Waite for their values and courage. I remember the Elder Native American as having great dignity! The Director was good to be patient with the inexperienced actor and elicit such a great performance! In Pennsylvania around the Kinzua Dam there was a similar situation for real. There was a Native American Burial Ground where parts of the Dam were to be built. The Engineers relocated the graves elsewhere and there were protests. I might not have all the details perfect because I was very young when the story was in the newspapers. My family sonetimes drove to Kinzua Dam to be in the mountains and enjoy a picnic. Thank you, Judy. Blessings on Walton's everywhere! ❤
Thanks so much, Judy, for sharing all of the controversy and struggles of filming this episode. I understand the need for experienced actors, but the choice of actual Native Americans for this episode kept with the authenticity, which, in my opinion, is one thing that makes The Waltons series stand out from other shows. In the end, I think the right choice was made. The editors did an outstanding job. This episode was great. Looking forward to your next video.
The episode was edited so well that I never noticed there was an issue with this actor. He seemed so right for the role if he had taken acting lessons he could have had an amazing career
Hi Judy Good morning. i loved this Episode of the worrior. Mr. T. the old indian man played his roll well i loved listening to his storie of his ancestors and how they lived . his storie touched me and moved me. i found it to be touching but loving. thank you for Shareing this Episode. i thought maybe you would cover how Mr. T. told grandpa will greer and john Sr. Ralph Waite about how the barn became his lamd because it was considered his ancestors burial ground. will greer dug up the flooring of dirt inside the barn as he and kami Elizabeth Walton found skulls and pieces of what then indians wore and own potery etc. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
That was one of my favorite episodes! Thank you for sharing. I’m glad they cast Indigenous people for this episode. Mr. Tuskegee’s part in the courthouse was powerful and truthful of American History. I’m half Mexican and half White. My mother’s people were Partly Navajo. The things that were done to the American Indigenous people were appalling and should never be forgotten. Some still live in squalor on old reservations to this day. The languages are being lost to time and that is very sad. The Navajo people were a big part of WWII. They were called Wind Talkers and they kept the Japanese on their toes.
From the viewer's perspective, there is no evidence in the episode of the existence of any tension or difficulty behind the scenes regarding casting or acting. The director produced a final product that was amazing and emotional. For being so young, Kami was simply brilliant. But then there was never an episode that I can recall in which her performance seemed anything less than authentic. You all did magnificent work on the series. Even when some of the lead actors began to leave the series either for health issues or to pursue other opportunities, those remaining for the duration of the run were able to step up and shine with more screen time and deeper plot lines. It was also special when actors who left the series would return to resume their roles on a more permanent basis. In many cases, I don't think actors realize the impact a series such as The Waltons had and still has on many viewers. I don't know if you and your fellow castmates realized your impact early on, but I know you all are absolutely aware of this now. Thanks again for another wonderful video and thanks also for being a huge part of what made The Waltons part of my family,
I can't resist. Soon after we filmed THE WARRIOR Ralph Waite was set to direct a CBS movie for television. Ralph Ferrin, our assistant director on THE WARRIOR, was assigned to be the assistant director on the film. When Ferr!in learned the film was going to have a non-professional crew rather than a union crew, he said to Waite, "You mean you're not going to use real Indians!"
Ralph Senensky, it is so comforting to know that 40-50 years ago, you, Ralph W, and Ralph F (a lot of Ralphs!) were so thoughtful to have considered and chosen to employ authentic characters for the roles depicting history despite the arduous selection process given limited non-caucasian actors at that time.
Judy, this show was great! I like this episode and now knowing the back story, it makes the experience so much richer. I am glad Will and Ralph insisted.
I had read on another site that this episode had some issues during production regarding the casting of the Native Americans and how Will Geer and Ralph Waite had insisted that actual Native Americans be cast. Also, thanks for clearing up the reason why you were not in this episode. Regarding fires in the various episodes, it's interesting to note that each major structure was subjected to fire during the series, the house in the "The Burnout", the barn in this episode, and the mill, which catches fire in the Season 8 episode, "The Kinfolk" when young Jeffrey carelessly drops a cigarette butt inside the mill.
Another wonderful "behind the scenes" video. Thank you! I just watched the episode "The Hot Rod". The great main story was Jim-Bob and Jody returning from the war. The sub-strory involved the recipe, the secretly found recipe room, and the government men removing the still. The Baldwin sisters and Ike and Corabeth were GREAT in it. And how creative the scene was with them moving to the recipe room to get the still. The look on the actors' faces is priceless! And Scott Hamner wrote this wonderful, very creative story! Reminds me of the fantastic supporting cast. 🎉😊❤
Absolutely loved your story-retelling and the difficulties involved with casting, directing and filming. And introducing us to Ralph Senesky, the master director 😁 and Excited about your interview with him as it brings us closer to the comfort and the significance of the Waltons. Thank you Judy! Your channel will always be my favorite one. It really has such a calming effect.
Through your creative compassionate channel, You have truly helped me (and many others) with whatever we are or were struggling with. I know I've said this many times but it bears repeating because life is about gratitude and I'll always be grateful to you. 🧡💛❤
I Remember this episode, it was a very Moving episode in its own way. the speech that the old Indian gave in the courtroom was very moving. God Bless and take care Judy. ♥
This was a wonderful episode! Even as a child, I’ve always felt bad because of treatment of American Indians. This was their land, yet they ended up with so little land or respect. I’m glad they used authenticity with this. Thanks for sharing!
I would agree with Will Geer and Ralph Waite in having a native Indian actor play the parts of the grandfather and the grandson. The story line is about the native Indian and their land. They needed to make this as authentic as they possibly could. Both actors did a great job. I guess it was a barn burner on and off screen. 🙂
@@judynorton2598 Great point Judy. I wonder if he ever shared any of that with any of the cast members or casting or directors/producers. Or even the actor who played the grandson.
Jerardo DeCordovier had been acting for several years before the Warrior episode but was mainly a bit player in films and tv but i guess this was his first major role have a wonderful Thursday Judy and Thank You.🇺🇲📺📺🇺🇲
This episode was an amazing piece of story telling and moved me to tears when I first watched it. The actors chosen were most certainly very authentic in their portrayal of native Americans and added to the authenticity of what the story/episode was trying to convey. I'm amazed that there was so much going on behind the scenes of this episode, you'd never think it from just watching it. Thank you Judy for sharing this information and best wishes as always from your waltonian superfan in a rather unsettled cold and wet England😉
@@judynorton2598 Yes it was very much so! because of your retelling, the episode is even more enriching and I can appreciate the guest stars/Actors that much more.
Hi DarkVader! Good Afternoon to you and yours and to a brighter day in England 😁 Although This episode was filmed in the 70s, it must've been difficult to depict authentically given its 1940's setting. Years ago, I remember helping my son in history about the Oregon Trail. It moved me to tears then, just as it had when I watched the Warrior episode. Ralph's portrayal was outstanding. The part where he almost beat up the grandson was riveting. You can feel the torment and rage in his eyes followed quickly by sheer restraint and compassion as he discovers the truth.
@@LisaLisa-2023 Hi Lisa Lisa, hope this message finds you and yours in great health. Yes, totally agree, Ralph was excellent as always and you could see his inner conflict as he could see both sides of the wider picture presented to him.
@@darkvader7231 ☺DarkVader, There are quite a few Ralph Waite episodes where he chooses to be civil instead of violent. I've always marveled at his natural acting ability. The Hunt is my top 5. His fight with the grizzly bear took my breath away. And the episode where he is confronted by the father whose son was killed in WW2 also shows his humanity first before his outrage. I guess we can agree that Ralph Waite should have been given an Emmy award for his many dramatic portrayals.
Have watched all these episodes countless times.❤ Of course you were always my favorite! I’m back into season nine now where Corabeth played a double part as her sister…❤
Thank you for the time you put into these videos. It is so enjoyable to reminisce about them all these years later. Also thank you for referencing the Trail of Tears.
Wow! You’d never had known there was all that going on in the background! It was a good episode and, apparently, good editing, as I would not have guessed it was necessary because the outcome was good! Mary
I am so glad they went with a Native. It was an incredible episode. Also Judy, whoever came up with the idea to do what you do is innovative and full of love. This is amazing work, and your voice is wonderful. You played one of my favorite characters because Mary Ellen had a Tomboyish yet no nonsense girly side to her. When you acted in scenes with Ms. Learned, she convinced me she was Mary Ellen's mother. Two of my favorites were when you ME got addicted to drugs and when you grew up and you went with mama on horseback somewhere. I don't quite remember the episode.
Hi Judy, Once again, and I know I repeat myself but it really does mean a lot to me the amount of time you and your son put into each of these episodes. It's clear you do a lot of research for each episode and I appreciate your time and effort. This was a fascinating behind-the-scenes episode. I can see both sides of the issue but I still admire Will for standing up for what he believed in. I'm glad nowadays we tend to select actors that are proper for the role so a native American will be played by a native American. A blind woman will be played by a blind woman. Still, I can appreciate having to take an inexperienced actor and throw him into the pit. Pressure on that actor and pressure on the crew to get the scenes shot. Never fun. Wow, I don't have a question? Make note of that Judy - it won't happen again :)
Happy Thursday, Judy! Another great episode! What an amazing story. This episode did turn out amazingly well despite the difficulty. I do understand both sides, but I agree with Will and Ralph it made the episode more realistic, and going with some who may have had better talent, others may have pointed out that it didn't seem real. I really think all of you were so close with your characters that Will and Ralph knew what would work. Thank you for sharing such great back stories!! Have a wonderful weekend, Judy!!! 🥰
Hi Judy, been so busy, have catching up to do. This episode was amazing, but now that you shared this information, it's even more so! No idea the actor who played Olivia's uncle was set to play the elderly Indian and requests and how they pulled altogether to make this work and learning what Amy Cottler noted gave more of an insight on how they did everything possible for what they had at hand to get this episode to work and complete, the scene where the Indian passes in court got me. Thanks Judy and you look beautiful today as always!!!!!
Wow. I’ve always been impressed with the guest actors on episodes including this episode. Like you said, the editor was truly gifted. Maybe even I could have acted on the show with an editor like that. Haha
Thank you for another wonderful behind the scenes and summary of an episode. I haven’t watched this one yet but it’s on my list now. Hoping to purchase a DVD collection of the series soon as I only have season one. From your description and the subject matter contained therein I can appreciate how this could have been a challenging production. I’ve found that sometimes there simply _isn’t_ an easy way or route to telling stories about tough issues or subject matter. I suppose sometimes controversy might require conversations & deliberations over time so folks can process things. I’m so glad I found your channel recently. It’s a real source of uplift and your informative and entertaining format is a wonderful formula for a behind-the-scenes channel. Please keep doing what you’re doing! Thank you. -AJ
Thank you Judy. A superb relating of the filming. I would like to add, I did say to Will at the time: "You know there are also older actors who DON'T HAVE A WEEKLY SERIES who appreciate a chance to work." iate
@@judynorton2598 WOW I cant wait to listen in!! I just came online Judy and I missed a lot. Looking forward to your talk with the one and only Ralph Senesky!!
Hi Ralph Senesky, we have only seen your name credited on the TV Screen. Always wondered who the amazing directors, writers, and producers were (one of whom we fondly know thanks much to Judy, is John Dayton) now we have the honor and The Behind the scenes specials of Judy's to hear from the master himself, about the making of The Warrior and I hope- other episodes that you have so proudly directed and brought into our lives so authentically and memorably. I will wait patiently for Thursday's interview. Thank you!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I just watched this episode yesterday on Amazon. Wonderful episode. I was really listening to when Joseph Teskigi was telling about when the creator created the animals and people to be able to understand each other. I was trying to find that quote on the internet after I got done watching. Couldn't find it. So, I 'll have to watch it again. I watched "The Seashore" today. Another of my favorites.
Very interesting episode. It was intense and heartfelt understanding the Indians beliefs. The actors chosen for those roles were perfect. I know Ralph and Will wanted a true Native American to play the Indian warrior but Eduardo Franz would have been a good choice too, I recognized him as playing Cousin Cody from your episode The Courtship. And actors were occasionally used more than once for different roles on the shows episodes. Thanks Judy..❤️
Hi Judy I hadn't seen your video from Texas gathering when I asked about GW. It was great to see GW, Bobby Bigilo, and Drew. Thanks for your channel. I watch the Waltons every day.
Thank you for sharing the back story to this episode. Amazing strudel. Kudos to Will and Ralph for their stand. But also to everyone for finding a way to make it work in challenging circumstances. Oddly I only have vague memory of this episode so I will need to go back and watch it. 😊
Can you please give us some background on the episode: The Ceremony. Watching it now. Thanks for sharing all the insider information. Love watching the reruns.
@@alphadog3384 Small world, Pera played the younger David Carradine character with a lot of flashbacks. I'll have to check out Judy's interview, thanks.
Well someone did a great job of editing because that was one of the best episodes that was made. I thought the old Indian's presentation was rather restrained so he must have caught on at some point because the conversation Will and he had about their shared love of the land was very touching and not over acted at all.. Oh you younger kids are used to power steering. I learned on what we called "Armstrong steering". You had to be stronger than Jack Armstrong to handle a steering wheel. Truckers had it the worst. You never met a trucker that didn't have big forearms and biceps from handling a big rig with no power steering.
Sorry to hear that. Basically - because film was expensive to use and to print, the producers only wanted 1 print per camera angle. So that even if it took 3 or 4 takes to get the scene right, only take 4 would be printed from the film shot. 1 print for the wide shot, 1 print for a close up, 1 print for another close up etc. If 2 cameras were filming the same scene - say a two-shot where you could see Will and Joseph and the other camera at the same time shooting a close up of Joseph then when the scene was right both cameras would print that take. Say it was take 5. No other takes would be printed. However, if there was a line flubbed in take 5, but that line was not flubbed in take 4 then if you printed both take 4 and take 5 you could in the editing use the in flubbed line from take 4 and other lines in take 5. So Ralph was saying he was double printing - ie: printing take 4 and take 5. Triple printing - he could have been printing take 3, 4 and 5 and using pieces from each take in the editing room. But this would be more expensive so not typically done in TV shows using film. In today’s filming, most shows use digital rather than film, so it doesn’t matter how many takes you need to edit together your best version of someone’s close up as there is no additional cost for a digital take. (think if shooting video on your iPhone - you could shoot the same thing over and over - no printing costs) Did this help answer the confusion?
Hello Judy! Listening to you share with us about the difficulties of this episode it was hard to hear. As I listened, I felt for all involved & I believe, the best I can, that it was a rough way to go. Thank you for sharing this with us, not everything is sunshine & smooth sailing! Thank you, Judy!!! 👍👍
Indeed - even with a show like ours that was generally smooth and positive - challenge happened and the “team” all had to go above and beyond to pull it off. It’s what we do as creative people - we care about the final product. It was a beautiful story and an important message for us to remember.
I loved this episode and the touching scene with chief T. I think the cast pulled it off well. How did you get that old call sheet?? And I wondered if Davids car turn was on purpose! Ever since you noted that cars tend to surge forward after stopping and in park, i notice every time.
I’m enjoying your videos so much! I went back in time to see some of your earlier postings, and I have to say as time moves on, your videos are getting better and better! Of course, the videos were wonderful to start, but now, they’re even more enjoyable! Thank you so much for sharing your insight and genuine love of this series!
Jerado did a great job and the look made it even better very accurate I think . My great grandmother was Native American who married into family of rich lawyer on Mom's side of family lol . I glad you were there to see how long it took , when you are forced to follow bureaucracy that has ruined modern TV in 2000s . Your crew did great job with all the hassles
This is an awesome idea Judy ❤ I know there's a lot to remember, and you are doing an awesome job. It's very interesting how the place was setup, and more so, how each character is so unique. Watching the show gives me insights on life and how to better handle situations, even in these times. Things have changed, but the logic is still very accurate.
@@acebailey60 At the top of each page of comments - right below it says how many comments there are for this video - you should see a picture of me and beside that "Add a comment" - that is the best place to ask your question. That will be at the top of every video comment page. So on any video, go ahead and ask your question right there and I should see it.
I was watching on Quello concerts the Righteous Brothers in concert. The camera panned to the audience and I saw Sally Structures and then I saw the beautiful Judy Norton. Looked like the show was filmed in the late 70's. You remember Judy ?
That's quite the backstory, were are so fortunate to get you story on these beautiful episodes. Like any work place there's always going to be some kind of drama going on. In this case it was drama on top of drama. My house burned down 7 years ago in Northern California up past Calistoga, it couldn't have passed for the Walton's house it was in a small town in the mountains. (Lake County) its still sits as a empty lot. It turns out the oldest indian remains in California were found on my property, seeing grandpa in the hole, reminded me of that fact. No one was hurt when my place burned to the ground it was a Sunday afternoon in August when the fire roared onto town. The Methodist Church nextdoor door to my house had just let out less then a hour earlier. It along with 300 other homes and structures were lost that day. The cause of the fire was a meth crazed arsonists. They caught him, he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.
Having just learned this I thought it was an excellent idea to have cast Native Americans. I also think Heraldo did an excellent job. This was one of my favorite episodes (out of many lol). Perhaps directors are not always correct in casting decisions ? Idk Interesting to know. Have a great week and thank you for sharing.
….🙏🏻Thanks, Judy, For Sharing This ~ It’s So Interesting To See What All It Takes To Make A Show Look So Effortlessly Easy ~ I Always Feel Like I’m Part Of The Show In Some Way🌀….
Thanks Judy. I have the book Goodnight John Boy but did not recall this with the casting. By the way your book looks larger than mine. Excellent read. Need to read it again!!!
Hey kiddo! Having Cherokee in my family, this episode has always touched me. I had no idea the complications. Kudos on the team work on both sides. Hugs to ya!
The patience and repeated support the director gave Jerado certainly shows how every effort was made for a successful filming. His diligence was admirable. Tough call. Perhaps Will and Ralph could have given Jerado a few acting tips - since they lobbied for him.
Today at my job at the senior center, we had a guy named Joey play lots of music for us for 2 hours. He was the road manager of legendary rock n roll artist Chubby Checker
This was quite a moving episode. I have taken several Girl Scout troops to Cherokee NC reservation. They learned about the Trail of Tears. The native Americans there are descendants of the ones who hid in the hills when the soldiers came drive them off their land.
I have to agree that talent should never be sacrificed in order to "check a box." It’s too bad they couldn't find a talented, Native American actor in the right age bracket. My sympathies here are with Ralph (the director).
@ralphsenensky8484 Despite the time and talent issues, you did a fantastic job overcoming Challenges, I appreciated the authentic cast, just as with other episodes with ethnic themes. Westerns with white guy natives were cheese, I think naybe on Gilligan's Island it was okay!
@@ralphsenensky8484 *Hi Ralph Senesky!!* Your name appeared on countless Walton's episodes that we all LOVED!! When Judy Norton Mentioned you in this segment, it was incredible hearing about you and now from you. This was an excellent episode, and the two Actors chosen for this poignant episode along with your direction were impactful and moving to the audience. GREAT work! thank you.
Thanks for talking about this episode....that was something Hollywood got wrong. I seen many westerns over the years in which white actors played Indian's Burt Lancaster played Apache and many others...well done to Will and Ralph... Patrick in Ireland
Thank you for all the insight into this episode. I always felt like this should be an episode I should have enjoyed, but for some reason didn’t. Your explanation makes me understand why I may not have enjoyed it the way I normally would. I know time is always a factor on a weekly series so I wonder if that has something to do with the casting of the role. Do you think the production (or whoever is in charge of casting) felt rushed, and therefore did not have the time to choose the right person to play the Native American grandfather? I do think Will Geer was ahead of his time when he insisted on a Native American in this role but that’s my opinion. Thank you for all of these videos.
Hard to say - clearly a number of factors came into play. This is often the case with the unrelenting schedule of a TV series. Had they tabled the episode until a more qualified Native American actor could be cast - it would have made a difference on the ease of filming, but often that isn’t an option and everyone does they best they can to get the best show under tough circumstances.
*Judy that was a an eye opener to hear about the casting of an First Nation actor to do the part in the episode. Over many years gone by & in recent years in the Western movies, they used First Nation folks... and many went on to have a great career in movies & tv series. Were none of them available at the time to have that part, when things become so difficult?.*
This was 1977, so I don’t know what the acting pool was like for First Nations at that time. Ralph Senensky said there were at least 2 actors he thought would do a great job, but neither were available. Clearly the time constraints played a part.
Thanks for explaining about the filming of this episode. I think Will Gear and John Waite insisting that it be a Native actor was a strong message to being authentic to the story. I know watching older TV shows where the Native people are played by actors who have a lot of make up on and are clearly not Native is almost like making fun of Native people. It sounds very challenging what happened in the production and editing of the episode however the product is a wonderful show with a strong message. This episode has a strong message and it was one I always remember. Thank you.
Yes - you raise good points about how characters are played and represented. There certainly are representations that were done in prior decades that we would never do now. Progress - but still further to go. Glad we did this beautiful storyline - a strong, important message. Glad it spoke to you.
Wow…thank you for this very very interesting behind the scenes. It’s sad that because of the times and seasons there is work that was indeed work. I think today there are also challenges due to the culture that tries to be so inclusive and so correct that sometimes art suffers. I know that’s a controversial comment…we humans struggle don’t we.
Gee, Judy, I thought I was the only one who notices stuff like the thin versus thick vines. I’m glad I’m in good company! I also figured that the porch scene was shot on the sound stage, because as the camera travels, some of the living room decor and furnishings are visible through the window, which would not have been the case had this been shot on the backlot. Thanks for another great video!
I am surprised that Will would insist on a Native American actor after he was black listed himself. The struggles with Jerardo should have indicated that they should have stuck with their original choice. Glad that the editing solved a lot of the problems.
This episode is one of those episodes that puts me into deep thought. I have problems feeding off controversial things because I’m so young that my brain hormones are still playing around in my brain lol. But I still understand this episode and The Walton’s bring meaning in the show, and I accept that. That’s why I love this show.
Hi Judy… I was lucky enough to take a VIP tour of WB a few weeks ago. I specifically asked to see the jungle area and was obliged. Although the house, barn are long gone. The dirt roads still exist and it was interesting seeing them. With Hollywood magic, you would expect miles of dirt road there, as you know it was a tiny area. Quick question for you. As we walked down the dirt road, the far side was fenced off and behind the fence looked like the back of a “rock formation”. Would this be the back of the rock formation that was sometimes seen in episodes near Godseys store like “the Ferris wheel?” It made sense that it was because it looked like behind the fence looped back out to where there is now a parking lot which seems to be where the store, house and barn likely stood. I was able to walk around the outside of the Waltons soundstage but as there were sets set up inside, we were not allowed to go inside. However, with the signed that said “closed set” and the red light that would be flashing during filming it was easy to imagine you and the rest of the cast hanging around or walking into those large metal doors. Thank you for all of the time that you put into these videos…
Oh wow! That is so cool you were able to do the Warner Bros tour. From what you are describing it does indeed sound like the rock formation across from where Ike’s store was. The jungle roads weren’t very long or varied, but different camera angles managed to make them seem more than they were. Your talk of the red light flashing outside Stage 26 does indeed bring back memories of standing outside waiting for the shot to finish and the light to go off so we could enter the stage. Thanks for the memories :)
"Most of us tend to be convinced of the rightness of our heritage, our traditions, our way of life, until some event happens that shakes our deepest beliefs to their foundations. On a day in 1939, two strangers came to our mountain. As a consequence of their visit we were to learn that others had roots there which reached deeper than our own."
@@judynorton2598 JonathanMyers and Judy Norton, I could not have said that so eloquently and truthfully as Earl Hamner, hard as I tried!. thanks for sharing.
The irony of the fight on Mr. Geer's part to have an actual Native American performer to have played the 100-year-old Cherokee grandfather is that, as per IMDB, the performer ultimately cast for the role (Jerado Decouvier [1910-2000]) had actually been born in Pago Pago, American Samoa! I wonder if Mr. Geer ever knew that? Regardless of the casting and behind the scenes turmoil, it was a moving episode that did address an important part of our collective history! Interesting that John was the one who initially refused to believe the Cherokees' claims [and stated that HE was the sole owner of the land- despite Grandpa being very much alive and more sympathetic to the original inhabitants]! Yes, having the grandfather buried in a pristine ridge was a bittersweet compromise (and the whole family had to contend with the evidence that Grandpa unearthed that the family barn was indeed on top of an ancient Cherokee grave). Of course, it's interesting that in the decades since this episode, via archeology digs and LIDAR scans, Native American societies in what's now the US have proven to have been FAR more advanced in terms of technology, organization, trade,etc. than most folks believed in the mid 1970's! Thanks for sharing so MUCH behind the scenes from this particular episode!
My understanding was that Jurado Decouvier had some slight amount of Native American heritage. Whether he lied about this, I’m not sure anyone knows or how it might have been proven true or false at the time. Certainly to episode as far as the storyline on screen and the controversy behind the scenes - raises many debates.
@@judynorton2598 Considering the late Mr. Decouvier's 1910 birth, it would somewhat strain credulity that a potential Native American parent much less a Native American grandparent,etc. would have crossed the Pacific Ocean from what's now the U S Mainland to Pago Pago have conceived him much less a more distant ancestor but I guess that it's possible he may have been a descendant of a group of Polynesians who intermarried with South American Native Americans around 1200 A.D. as per recent genetic findings. Of course, since that performer is longg since deceased and the episode's long since been completed, it's somewhat a moot point but I can't help but wonder if Mr. Geer ever learned of that performer's actual birthplace, ancestry,etc. Regardless, it was an interesting episode with many interesting behind the scenes twists and I thank you for your insight.
@@wardarcade7452 It certainly does raise valid questions. We will likely never know the answer to these questions. For me the two takeaways are - the convictions of Will and Ralph to support and campaign for real Native American's to play those roles, And that ultimately it was still a lovely episode with a strong message. And here we are all these years later with an opportunity to continue the conversation about casting and fair treatment of all. On screen and in life. Would be nice if we stop repeating the mistakes of the past.
In hindsight I think everyone pulled together an excellent production. I can understand the importance of maintaining the authenticity of the production, but that is not always possible.
Dear Judy, It would have been nice to see Eduard Franz return to play Mr .Teskeegee, but the part was played beautifully by the Native American (I forgot the actor's name; I guess I'm getting older). The judge (I think it's Richard Eastland) would return to play Paul Northridge's father late in season 9 and in "A Wedding on Waltons' Mountain". I'm glad Ralph Senensky got that final (and sweet) moment with Will Geer at the end of filming "Grandma Comes Home".
And in the episode "The Hot Rod", the new Ep is in it. I don't remember any episode that dealt with the original Ep's(John Crawford) departure. Perhaps you can. enlighten me. Thanks!
My guess is that John Crawford wasn’t available so they used a “deputy” for that episode. He was back as Ep in a later episode in S9 so he wasn’t gone for good.
Hello Judy, I remember this episode. And enjoyed it.
It showed me the true meaning of native American people ancestry, which is something that moved me. When Joseph
Spoke about the trail of tears.
It definitely moved me.
Thank you, Judy.😊❤
I agree. An important message well executed.
Despite all the problems, it was a wonderful episode. ❤
I thought so, too. I never would have guessed that there were difficulties getting the scenes. It was one of my favorites.
Glad to hear the final result was effective.
Thanks for sharing the controversy BTS! I admire Will Geer and Ralph Waite for their values and courage. I remember the Elder Native American as having great dignity! The Director was good to be patient with the inexperienced actor and elicit such a great performance! In Pennsylvania around the Kinzua Dam there was a similar situation for real. There was a Native American Burial Ground where parts of the Dam were to be built. The Engineers relocated the graves elsewhere and there were protests. I might not have all the details perfect because I was very young when the story was in the newspapers. My family sonetimes drove to Kinzua Dam to be in the mountains and enjoy a picnic. Thank you, Judy. Blessings on Walton's everywhere! ❤
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on it.
Judy looking absolutely Gorgeous this morning as always!!!!!
Aging very well indeed
Very kind of you to say.
@@judynorton2598 you do look wonderful Judy. You were always amazing!!
She really is SO pretty.
I still say Judy looks stunning in Black 🤩🤩
Thanks so much, Judy, for sharing all of the controversy and struggles of filming this episode. I understand the need for experienced actors, but the choice of actual Native Americans for this episode kept with the authenticity, which, in my opinion, is one thing that makes The Waltons series stand out from other shows. In the end, I think the right choice was made. The editors did an outstanding job. This episode was great. Looking forward to your next video.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the subject.
The episode was edited so well that I never noticed there was an issue with this actor. He seemed so right for the role if he had taken acting lessons he could have had an amazing career
Yea, I never caught any gaps in skill...he did okay as the native...
Glad the final edit showcased to it’s best advantage.
The trail of tears passes not far from where I live. So sad part of our history
A tragic part of our country’s history.
Judy hearing you tell us about how this was put together makes it even more amazing. Everyone did a great job. Thanks Judy💕
Glad you enjoyed it
Such a great episode one of my favorites great segment judy as always
Glad you enjoyed it
Sure did enjoyed it
Hi Judy Good morning. i loved this Episode of the worrior. Mr. T. the old indian man played his roll well i loved listening to his storie of his ancestors and how they lived . his storie touched me and moved me. i found it to be touching but loving. thank you for Shareing this Episode. i thought maybe you would cover how Mr. T. told grandpa will greer and john Sr. Ralph Waite about how the barn became his lamd because it was considered his ancestors burial ground. will greer dug up the flooring of dirt inside the barn as he and kami Elizabeth Walton found skulls and pieces of what then indians wore and own potery etc. ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Happy to hear you loved this episode. A beautiful script with a very touching story.
Thank you .... Now that I am retired, I have time to watch The Walton's all over again..
Awesome. Thank you.
That was one of my favorite episodes! Thank you for sharing. I’m glad they cast Indigenous people for this episode.
Mr. Tuskegee’s part in the courthouse was powerful and truthful of American History. I’m half Mexican and half White. My mother’s people were Partly Navajo. The things that were done to the American Indigenous people were appalling and should never be forgotten. Some still live in squalor on old reservations to this day. The languages are being lost to time and that is very sad. The Navajo people were a big part of WWII. They were called Wind Talkers and they kept the Japanese on their toes.
Thank you for sharing your perspective on the issue.
Hello Judy you looking great today Gods blessings for you and all your family keep up the great work and videos
Thank you very much.
From the viewer's perspective, there is no evidence in the episode of the existence of any tension or difficulty behind the scenes regarding casting or acting. The director produced a final product that was amazing and emotional. For being so young, Kami was simply brilliant. But then there was never an episode that I can recall in which her performance seemed anything less than authentic. You all did magnificent work on the series. Even when some of the lead actors began to leave the series either for health issues or to pursue other opportunities, those remaining for the duration of the run were able to step up and shine with more screen time and deeper plot lines. It was also special when actors who left the series would return to resume their roles on a more permanent basis. In many cases, I don't think actors realize the impact a series such as The Waltons had and still has on many viewers. I don't know if you and your fellow castmates realized your impact early on, but I know you all are absolutely aware of this now. Thanks again for another wonderful video and thanks also for being a huge part of what made The Waltons part of my family,
Thank you so much for your lovely comments.
I can't resist. Soon after we filmed THE WARRIOR Ralph Waite was set to direct a CBS movie for television. Ralph Ferrin, our assistant director on THE WARRIOR, was assigned to be the assistant director on the film. When Ferr!in learned the film was going to have a non-professional crew rather than a union crew, he said to Waite, "You mean you're not going to use real Indians!"
Ralph Senensky, it is so comforting to know that 40-50 years ago, you, Ralph W, and Ralph F (a lot of Ralphs!) were so thoughtful to have considered and chosen to employ authentic characters for the roles depicting history despite the arduous selection process given limited non-caucasian actors at that time.
Judy, this show was great! I like this episode and now knowing the back story, it makes the experience so much richer. I am glad Will and Ralph insisted.
Glad you enjoyed this.
I had read on another site that this episode had some issues during production regarding the casting of the Native Americans and how Will Geer and Ralph Waite had insisted that actual Native Americans be cast. Also, thanks for clearing up the reason why you were not in this episode. Regarding fires in the various episodes, it's interesting to note that each major structure was subjected to fire during the series, the house in the "The Burnout", the barn in this episode, and the mill, which catches fire in the Season 8 episode, "The Kinfolk" when young Jeffrey carelessly drops a cigarette butt inside the mill.
Forgot about that last fire Jeffrey set in the barn :)
Love the behind the scenes stories! I enjoy most assuredly, learning what went on & your beautiful explanation Judy! Thank you so much! 👍❤️🙂
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Another wonderful "behind the scenes" video. Thank you! I just watched the episode "The Hot Rod". The great main story was Jim-Bob and Jody returning from the war. The sub-strory involved the recipe, the secretly found recipe room, and the government men removing the still. The Baldwin sisters and Ike and Corabeth were GREAT in it. And how creative the scene was with them moving to the recipe room to get the still. The look on the actors' faces is priceless! And Scott Hamner wrote this wonderful, very creative story! Reminds me of the fantastic supporting cast. 🎉😊❤
Haven’t had a chance to watch that episode in some time. I’ll look forward to it.
Absolutely loved your story-retelling and the difficulties involved with casting, directing and filming. And introducing us to Ralph Senesky, the master director 😁 and Excited about your interview with him as it brings us closer to the comfort and the significance of the Waltons. Thank you Judy! Your channel will always be my favorite one. It really has such a calming effect.
Through your creative compassionate channel, You have truly helped me (and many others) with whatever we are or were struggling with. I know I've said this many times but it bears repeating because life is about gratitude and I'll always be grateful to you. 🧡💛❤
Thank you so much!
@@judynorton2598 you are welcome so much Judy! ❤🧡💛
I Remember this episode, it was a very Moving episode in its own way. the speech that the old Indian gave in the courtroom was very moving. God Bless and take care Judy. ♥
Thank you. Glad you felt that way about it.
@@judynorton2598 yvw!!! Judy.
This was a wonderful episode! Even as a child, I’ve always felt bad because of treatment of American Indians. This was their land, yet they ended up with so little land or respect. I’m glad they used authenticity with this. Thanks for sharing!
I agree. That’s why I loved that they included Elizabeth’s perspective. She related to the sadness and confusion about this treatment.
This is one my favorite episodes.... thanks for sharing 📺❤️📺
Glad you enjoyed it
Love listening to how things were done, show needs to air more, work 2nd shift and always came home unwinding and watching the waltons
Thank you for watching!
I would agree with Will Geer and Ralph Waite in having a native Indian actor play the parts of the grandfather and the grandson. The story line is about the native Indian and their land. They needed to make this as authentic as they possibly could. Both actors did a great job. I guess it was a barn burner on and off screen. 🙂
I would have been interested to know Jerado’s family history and to what degree he felt connected to this piece of his history.
@@judynorton2598 Great point Judy. I wonder if he ever shared any of that with any of the cast members or casting or directors/producers. Or even the actor who played the grandson.
Jerardo DeCordovier had been acting for several years before the Warrior episode but was mainly a bit player in films and tv but
i guess this was his first major role have a wonderful Thursday
Judy and Thank You.🇺🇲📺📺🇺🇲
Yes, that was my understanding from what Ralph Senensky said.
Love all of this inside info. Thanks for sharing Judy. You always give us Walton fans great content. 👍🏻
Happy to hear that. Thank you.
This episode was an amazing piece of story telling and moved me to tears when I first watched it. The actors chosen were most certainly very authentic in their portrayal of native Americans and added to the authenticity of what the story/episode was trying to convey. I'm amazed that there was so much going on behind the scenes of this episode, you'd never think it from just watching it. Thank you Judy for sharing this information and best wishes as always from your waltonian superfan in a rather unsettled cold and wet England😉
Hope it was informative and entertaining at the same time. Thanks for watching.
@@judynorton2598 Yes it was very much so! because of your retelling, the episode is even more enriching and I can appreciate the guest stars/Actors that much more.
Hi DarkVader! Good Afternoon to you and yours and to a brighter day in England 😁 Although This episode was filmed in the 70s, it must've been difficult to depict authentically given its 1940's setting. Years ago, I remember helping my son in history about the Oregon Trail. It moved me to tears then, just as it had when I watched the Warrior episode. Ralph's portrayal was outstanding. The part where he almost beat up the grandson was riveting. You can feel the torment and rage in his eyes followed quickly by sheer restraint and compassion as he discovers the truth.
@@LisaLisa-2023 Hi Lisa Lisa, hope this message finds you and yours in great health. Yes, totally agree, Ralph was excellent as always and you could see his inner conflict as he could see both sides of the wider picture presented to him.
@@darkvader7231 ☺DarkVader, There are quite a few Ralph Waite episodes where he chooses to be civil instead of violent. I've always marveled at his natural acting ability. The Hunt is my top 5. His fight with the grizzly bear took my breath away. And the episode where he is confronted by the father whose son was killed in WW2 also shows his humanity first before his outrage. I guess we can agree that Ralph Waite should have been given an Emmy award for his many dramatic portrayals.
Despite the difficulties in creating this episode it was truly moving and emotional. Hats off to everyone involved.
Glad you enjoyed it.
Have watched all these episodes countless times.❤ Of course you were always my favorite! I’m back into season nine now where Corabeth played a double part as her sister…❤
Thank you for continuing to watch.
Thanks for sharing this episode Judy, it was truly a moving story.
Thank you for watching. Glad you enjoyed it.
Thank you for the time you put into these videos. It is so enjoyable to reminisce about them all these years later. Also thank you for referencing the Trail of Tears.
My pleasure!
Wow! You’d never had known there was all that going on in the background! It was a good episode and, apparently, good editing, as I would not have guessed it was necessary because the outcome was good! Mary
Glad the final result worked for you :)
I remember this one it was a great show Judy your videos are great I have me tv and at noon everyday I'm on that channel thsnkyou
Thank you so much.
I am so glad they went with a Native. It was an incredible episode. Also Judy, whoever came up with the idea to do what you do is innovative and full of love. This is amazing work, and your voice is wonderful. You played one of my favorite characters because Mary Ellen had a Tomboyish yet no nonsense girly side to her. When you acted in scenes with Ms. Learned, she convinced me she was Mary Ellen's mother. Two of my favorites were when you ME got addicted to drugs and when you grew up and you went with mama on horseback somewhere. I don't quite remember the episode.
Thank you so much. This concept in the form it is - was my creation. Glad you like it.
@@judynorton2598 Judy! You have The best openhearted and heartwarming creation that continues to fill the hearts of this audience.
@@judynorton2598 You are gifted, thoughtful, and erupting with love.
Great episode Judy!!!
Thank you.
Hi Judy,
Once again, and I know I repeat myself but it really does mean a lot to me the amount of time you and your son put into each of these episodes. It's clear you do a lot of research for each episode and I appreciate your time and effort.
This was a fascinating behind-the-scenes episode. I can see both sides of the issue but I still admire Will for standing up for what he believed in. I'm glad nowadays we tend to select actors that are proper for the role so a native American will be played by a native American. A blind woman will be played by a blind woman.
Still, I can appreciate having to take an inexperienced actor and throw him into the pit. Pressure on that actor and pressure on the crew to get the scenes shot. Never fun.
Wow, I don't have a question? Make note of that Judy - it won't happen again :)
Yes, lots of issues at play here. No questions - noted :)
Thank you for this video Judy, this was an interesting episode, sorry to hear it was such a tough shoot.
Glad you found it interesting. Thanks for watching.
Happy Thursday, Judy! Another great episode! What an amazing story. This episode did turn out amazingly well despite the difficulty. I do understand both sides, but I agree with Will and Ralph it made the episode more realistic, and going with some who may have had better talent, others may have pointed out that it didn't seem real. I really think all of you were so close with your characters that Will and Ralph knew what would work. Thank you for sharing such great back stories!! Have a wonderful weekend, Judy!!! 🥰
It’s a tough question with lots of nuances. Glad the final show was a strong one due to the collective talent and extra efforts from many.
Hi Judy, been so busy, have catching up to do. This episode was amazing, but now that you shared this information, it's even more so! No idea the actor who played Olivia's uncle was set to play the elderly Indian and requests and how they pulled altogether to make this work and learning what Amy Cottler noted gave more of an insight on how they did everything possible for what they had at hand to get this episode to work and complete, the scene where the Indian passes in court got me. Thanks Judy and you look beautiful today as always!!!!!
Thank you. Glad to hear you enjoyed the final show.
@@judynorton2598 Final show?
Wow. I’ve always been impressed with the guest actors on episodes including this episode. Like you said, the editor was truly gifted. Maybe even I could have acted on the show with an editor like that. Haha
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Thank you for another wonderful behind the scenes and summary of an episode.
I haven’t watched this one yet but it’s on my list now. Hoping to purchase a DVD collection of the series soon as I only have season one.
From your description and the subject matter contained therein I can appreciate how this could have been a challenging production. I’ve found that sometimes there simply _isn’t_ an easy way or route to telling stories about tough issues or subject matter. I suppose sometimes controversy might require conversations & deliberations over time so folks can process things.
I’m so glad I found your channel recently. It’s a real source of uplift and your informative and entertaining format is a wonderful formula for a behind-the-scenes channel. Please keep doing what you’re doing!
Thank you.
-AJ
Thank you so much for you kind comments.
Thank you for telling about the Stress on the Set.
Hope it was informative. Sometimes situations make filming particularly challenging to navigate to a positive outcome.
Thank you Judy. A superb relating of the filming. I would like to add, I did say to Will at the time: "You know there are also older actors who DON'T HAVE A WEEKLY SERIES who appreciate a chance to work."
iate
Thank you, Ralph. I was just looking at the edit for Part 1 of our conversation today. It will go live on Thursday. ❤️
@@judynorton2598 WOW I cant wait to listen in!! I just came online Judy and I missed a lot. Looking forward to your talk with the one and only Ralph Senesky!!
Hi Ralph Senesky, we have only seen your name credited on the TV Screen. Always wondered who the amazing directors, writers, and producers were (one of whom we fondly know thanks much to Judy, is John Dayton)
now we have the honor and The Behind the scenes specials of Judy's to hear from the master himself, about the making of The Warrior and I hope- other episodes that you have so proudly directed and brought into our lives so authentically and memorably. I will wait patiently for Thursday's interview. Thank you!! ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
@@LisaLisa-2023 And thank you for those kind words Lisa
@@ralphsenensky8484Hi Ralph Senensky, you are very welcome. I meant every sentiment posted.
Thankyou so much Judy.
Fascinating behind the scenes info! Thanks very much Judy! And a very well written episode too!
Glad you enjoyed it.
I just watched this episode yesterday on Amazon. Wonderful episode. I was really listening to when Joseph Teskigi was telling about when the creator created the animals and people to be able to understand each other. I was trying to find that quote on the internet after I got done watching. Couldn't find it. So, I 'll have to watch it again. I watched "The Seashore" today. Another of my favorites.
Thank you for watching. I’m so glad you enjoyed it.
Very interesting episode. It was intense and heartfelt understanding the Indians beliefs. The actors chosen for those roles were perfect. I know Ralph and Will wanted a true Native American to play the Indian warrior but Eduardo Franz would have been a good choice too, I recognized him as playing Cousin Cody from your episode The Courtship. And actors were occasionally used more than once for different roles on the shows episodes. Thanks Judy..❤️
Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts.
Hi Judy I hadn't seen your video from Texas gathering when I asked about GW. It was great to see GW, Bobby Bigilo, and Drew. Thanks for your channel. I watch the Waltons every day.
So happy to hear you are enjoying my channel.
Thank you for sharing the back story to this episode. Amazing strudel. Kudos to Will and Ralph for their stand. But also to everyone for finding a way to make it work in challenging circumstances. Oddly I only have vague memory of this episode so I will need to go back and watch it. 😊
Give a watch with all this backstory and I’d be interested to hear your thoughts.
@@judynorton2598 definitely
Have agood
Weekend Judy 🎉❤🌹🐦🌞🙌
Thank you! You too!
Another grt episode. Thank u so much for taking the time to do this. I watch The Waltons everyday but this just adds to it!!
My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Great Episode👍
Happy to hear that.
Can you please give us some background on the episode: The Ceremony. Watching it now. Thanks for sharing all the insider information. Love watching the reruns.
Yea, would be great to have "Grasshopper" as a guest!!
Or crickets holding a can of raid!
@alphadog3384 I don't get it...Grasshopper is Radames Pera...who played the Jewish boy in this episode and was in Kung Fu series...
I do believe Mr. Pera was interviewed many years ago with Judy. Thanks for explaining the meaning behind "grasshopper." 👍 Never watched Kung Fu.
@@alphadog3384 Small world, Pera played the younger David Carradine character with a lot of flashbacks. I'll have to check out Judy's interview, thanks.
Well someone did a great job of editing because that was one of the best episodes that was made. I thought the old Indian's presentation was rather restrained so he must have caught on at some point because the conversation Will and he had about their shared love of the land was very touching and not over acted at all..
Oh you younger kids are used to power steering. I learned on what we called "Armstrong steering". You had to be stronger than Jack Armstrong to handle a steering wheel. Truckers had it the worst. You never met a trucker that didn't have big forearms and biceps from handling a big rig with no power steering.
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Much appreciated.
I got confused trying to under how the prints work🤣Thanks for another video Judy🌹❤️🌹LOVE THESE
Sorry to hear that. Basically - because film was expensive to use and to print, the producers only wanted 1 print per camera angle. So that even if it took 3 or 4 takes to get the scene right, only take 4 would be printed from the film shot. 1 print for the wide shot, 1 print for a close up, 1 print for another close up etc. If 2 cameras were filming the same scene - say a two-shot where you could see Will and Joseph and the other camera at the same time shooting a close up of Joseph then when the scene was right both cameras would print that take. Say it was take 5. No other takes would be printed. However, if there was a line flubbed in take 5, but that line was not flubbed in take 4 then if you printed both take 4 and take 5 you could in the editing use the in flubbed line from take 4 and other lines in take 5. So Ralph was saying he was double printing - ie: printing take 4 and take 5. Triple printing - he could have been printing take 3, 4 and 5 and using pieces from each take in the editing room. But this would be more expensive so not typically done in TV shows using film. In today’s filming, most shows use digital rather than film, so it doesn’t matter how many takes you need to edit together your best version of someone’s close up as there is no additional cost for a digital take. (think if shooting video on your iPhone - you could shoot the same thing over and over - no printing costs)
Did this help answer the confusion?
@judynorton2598 Wow! Perfectly! Thanks so much Judy!!🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹
Thank you !!!!
Thanks for watching.
One of my favs!
Great to hear.
Hello Judy!
Listening to you share with us about the difficulties of this episode it was hard to hear. As I listened, I felt for all involved & I believe, the best I can, that it was a rough way to go.
Thank you for sharing this with us, not everything is sunshine & smooth sailing!
Thank you, Judy!!!
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Indeed - even with a show like ours that was generally smooth and positive - challenge happened and the “team” all had to go above and beyond to pull it off. It’s what we do as creative people - we care about the final product. It was a beautiful story and an important message for us to remember.
I loved this episode and the touching scene with chief T. I think the cast pulled it off well. How did you get that old call sheet?? And I wondered if Davids car turn was on purpose! Ever since you noted that cars tend to surge forward after stopping and in park, i notice every time.
The call sheet was on Ralph Senensky’s website - on his blog about this episode. Senensky.com I don’t think David’s car turn was on purpose :)
@@judynorton2598Ah, cool, I'll check out his website! Thank you!
Hi Judy thank you for sharing this episode very interesting
My pleasure.
This episode was very touching.
Happy to hear that.
I’m enjoying your videos so much!
I went back in time to see some of your earlier postings, and I have to say as time moves on, your videos are getting better and better! Of course, the videos were wonderful to start, but now, they’re even more enjoyable! Thank you so much for sharing your insight and genuine love of this series!
Thank you so much. Always trying to improve. It’s been a learning process.
Jerado did a great job and the look made it even better very accurate I think . My great grandmother was Native American who married into family of rich lawyer on Mom's side of family lol . I glad you were there to see how long it took , when you are forced to follow bureaucracy that has ruined modern TV in 2000s . Your crew did great job with all the hassles
I felt everyone did their best and created a wonderful episode at the end of it. A real team effort.
This is an awesome idea Judy ❤ I know there's a lot to remember, and you are doing an awesome job. It's very interesting how the place was setup, and more so, how each character is so unique.
Watching the show gives me insights on life and how to better handle situations, even in these times. Things have changed, but the logic is still very accurate.
I’m so happy to hear that. Thank you.
@@judynorton2598 Where do I ask you a question? Sometimes there are too many comments in one post
@@acebailey60 At the top of each page of comments - right below it says how many comments there are for this video - you should see a picture of me and beside that "Add a comment" - that is the best place to ask your question. That will be at the top of every video comment page. So on any video, go ahead and ask your question right there and I should see it.
I was watching on Quello concerts the Righteous Brothers in concert. The camera panned to the audience and I saw Sally Structures and then I saw the beautiful Judy Norton. Looked like the show was filmed in the late 70's. You remember Judy ?
Funny, I don’t recall that concert at all. :). Which means, I either don’t recall seeing that concert, or it’s someone who resembles me.
I love this episode!! Didn’t understand it as a child but, this and Infamy are my favorites!
We do watch things differently as adults, don’t we? :)
That's quite the backstory, were are so fortunate to get you story on these beautiful episodes. Like any work place there's always going to be some kind of drama going on. In this case it was drama on top of drama. My house burned down 7 years ago in Northern California up past Calistoga, it couldn't have passed for the Walton's house it was in a small town in the mountains. (Lake County) its still sits as a empty lot. It turns out the oldest indian remains in California were found on my property, seeing grandpa in the hole, reminded me of that fact. No one was hurt when my place burned to the ground it was a Sunday afternoon in August when the fire roared onto town. The Methodist Church nextdoor door to my house had just let out less then a hour earlier. It along with 300 other homes and structures were lost that day. The cause of the fire was a meth crazed arsonists. They caught him, he was sentenced to 14 years in prison.
On no. Quite an experience to have gone through. Glad everyone was alright.
@@judynorton2598 ❤️👍 those were the oldest Indian remains found in California.
Having just learned this I thought it was an excellent idea to have cast Native Americans. I also think Heraldo did an excellent job. This was one of my favorite episodes (out of many lol). Perhaps directors are not always correct in casting decisions ? Idk Interesting to know. Have a great week and thank you for sharing.
Thank you for watching and for sharing your thoughts.
….🙏🏻Thanks, Judy, For Sharing This ~ It’s So Interesting To See What All It Takes To Make A Show Look So Effortlessly Easy ~ I Always Feel Like I’m Part Of The Show In Some Way🌀….
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Judy. I have the book Goodnight John Boy but did not recall this with the casting.
By the way your book looks larger than mine. Excellent read. Need to read it again!!!
Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Hey kiddo! Having Cherokee in my family, this episode has always touched me. I had no idea the complications. Kudos on the team work on both sides. Hugs to ya!
Glad the episode touched you. Certainly the result of the extra efforts of many. xo
@@judynorton2598 ❤️
Thank you.
Thank you so much ❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it.
This was so interesting. Thank you 😊
You are so welcome!
The patience and repeated support the director gave Jerado certainly shows how every effort was made for a successful filming. His diligence was admirable. Tough call. Perhaps Will and Ralph could have given Jerado a few acting tips - since they lobbied for him.
I hope everyone is proud of the final result. A lot of work, but a beautiful story.
Today at my job at the senior center, we had a guy named Joey play lots of music for us for 2 hours. He was the road manager of legendary rock n roll artist Chubby Checker
How cool!
This was quite a moving episode. I have taken several Girl Scout troops to Cherokee NC reservation. They learned about the Trail of Tears. The native Americans there are descendants of the ones who hid in the hills when the soldiers came drive them off their land.
Thank you so much for sharing.
I have to agree that talent should never be sacrificed in order to "check a box." It’s too bad they couldn't find a talented, Native American actor in the right age bracket. My sympathies here are with Ralph (the director).
We tried. None were available.
@ralphsenensky8484
Despite the time and talent issues, you did a fantastic job overcoming Challenges, I appreciated the authentic cast, just as with other episodes with ethnic themes. Westerns with white guy natives were cheese, I think naybe on Gilligan's Island it was okay!
@ralphsenensky8484 You have my admiration for making such a great episode, despite all the challenges. ❤️
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
@@ralphsenensky8484 *Hi Ralph Senesky!!* Your name appeared on countless Walton's episodes that we all LOVED!! When Judy Norton Mentioned you in this segment, it was incredible hearing about you and now from you. This was an excellent episode, and the two Actors chosen for this poignant episode along with your direction were impactful and moving to the audience. GREAT work! thank you.
Thanks for talking about this episode....that was something Hollywood got wrong. I seen many westerns over the years in which white actors played Indian's Burt Lancaster played Apache and many others...well done to Will and Ralph... Patrick in Ireland
Lots of examples across the earlier years in Hollywood of “wrong” casting. Progress has been made, but we’re not there yet.
Thank you for all the insight into this episode. I always felt like this should be an episode I should have enjoyed, but for some reason didn’t. Your explanation makes me understand why I may not have enjoyed it the way I normally would. I know time is always a factor on a weekly series so I wonder if that has something to do with the casting of the role. Do you think the production (or whoever is in charge of casting) felt rushed, and therefore did not have the time to choose the right person to play the Native American grandfather? I do think Will Geer was ahead of his time when he insisted on a Native American in this role but that’s my opinion. Thank you for all of these videos.
Hard to say - clearly a number of factors came into play. This is often the case with the unrelenting schedule of a TV series. Had they tabled the episode until a more qualified Native American actor could be cast - it would have made a difference on the ease of filming, but often that isn’t an option and everyone does they best they can to get the best show under tough circumstances.
*Judy that was a an eye opener to hear about the casting of an First Nation actor to do the part in the episode. Over many years gone by & in recent years in the Western movies, they used First Nation folks... and many went on to have a great career in movies & tv series. Were none of them available at the time to have that part, when things become so difficult?.*
This was 1977, so I don’t know what the acting pool was like for First Nations at that time. Ralph Senensky said there were at least 2 actors he thought would do a great job, but neither were available. Clearly the time constraints played a part.
@@judynorton2598 *cheers.... I am glad that there are more First Nation actors & actresses acting now 🙂.*
Thanks for explaining about the filming of this episode. I think Will Gear and John Waite insisting that it be a Native actor was a strong message to being authentic to the story. I know watching older TV shows where the Native people are played by actors who have a lot of make up on and are clearly not Native is almost like making fun of Native people. It sounds very challenging what happened in the production and editing of the episode however the product is a wonderful show with a strong message. This episode has a strong message and it was one I always remember. Thank you.
Yes - you raise good points about how characters are played and represented. There certainly are representations that were done in prior decades that we would never do now. Progress - but still further to go. Glad we did this beautiful storyline - a strong, important message. Glad it spoke to you.
@@judynorton2598 You are such a sweet lady for taking the time to read your comments and respond. Bless you and thank you.
Nice. I've got to catch up on your posts. Been chatting with Richard T. the last few days, as he's on the road with TKAM.
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Wow…thank you for this very very interesting behind the scenes. It’s sad that because of the times and seasons there is work that was indeed work. I think today there are also challenges due to the culture that tries to be so inclusive and so correct that sometimes art suffers. I know that’s a controversial comment…we humans struggle don’t we.
Humanity does indeed struggle to do the right thing at times.
Gee, Judy, I thought I was the only one who notices stuff like the thin versus thick vines. I’m glad I’m in good company! I also figured that the porch scene was shot on the sound stage, because as the camera travels, some of the living room decor and furnishings are visible through the window, which would not have been the case had this been shot on the backlot. Thanks for another great video!
Good eye :)
This was an interesting episode for sure
I am surprised that Will would insist on a Native American actor after he was black listed himself. The struggles with Jerardo should have indicated that they should have stuck with their original choice. Glad that the editing solved a lot of the problems.
Perhaps feeling he didn’t get opportunities he should have made him more inclined to fight for others he considered weren’t treated fairly.
This episode is one of those episodes that puts me into deep thought. I have problems feeding off controversial things because I’m so young that my brain hormones are still playing around in my brain lol. But I still understand this episode and The Walton’s bring meaning in the show, and I accept that. That’s why I love this show.
It’s not an easy issue. So no worries about thinking through it. :). Glad you enjoy The Waltons.
Hi Judy…
I was lucky enough to take a VIP tour of WB a few weeks ago. I specifically asked to see the jungle area and was obliged.
Although the house, barn are long gone. The dirt roads still exist and it was interesting seeing them. With Hollywood magic, you would expect miles of dirt road there, as you know it was a tiny area.
Quick question for you. As we walked down the dirt road, the far side was fenced off and behind the fence looked like the back of a “rock formation”. Would this be the back of the rock formation that was sometimes seen in episodes near Godseys store like “the Ferris wheel?” It made sense that it was because it looked like behind the fence looped back out to where there is now a parking lot which seems to be where the store, house and barn likely stood.
I was able to walk around the outside of the Waltons soundstage but as there were sets set up inside, we were not allowed to go inside.
However, with the signed that said “closed set” and the red light that would be flashing during filming it was easy to imagine you and the rest of the cast hanging around or walking into those large metal doors.
Thank you for all of the time that you put into these videos…
Oh wow! That is so cool you were able to do the Warner Bros tour. From what you are describing it does indeed sound like the rock formation across from where Ike’s store was. The jungle roads weren’t very long or varied, but different camera angles managed to make them seem more than they were. Your talk of the red light flashing outside Stage 26 does indeed bring back memories of standing outside waiting for the shot to finish and the light to go off so we could enter the stage. Thanks for the memories :)
"Most of us tend to be convinced of the rightness of our heritage, our traditions, our way of life, until some event happens that shakes our deepest beliefs to their foundations. On a day in 1939, two strangers came to our mountain. As a consequence of their visit we were to learn that others had roots there which reached deeper than our own."
Earl always has a wonderful way with words to convey so much.
@@judynorton2598 JonathanMyers and Judy Norton, I could not have said that so eloquently and truthfully as Earl Hamner, hard as I tried!. thanks for sharing.
Hello Judy
Don’t forget Yancy almost burned down the barn too.
Love all the details you share.
Right! Thanks for the reminder.
Yes and in a later episode Rose's grandson Jeffrey started a fire as well but I forgot where.
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In the mill.
I love this episode.
Happy to hear it.
The irony of the fight on Mr. Geer's part to have an actual Native American performer to have played the 100-year-old Cherokee grandfather is that, as per IMDB, the performer ultimately cast for the role (Jerado Decouvier [1910-2000]) had actually been born in Pago Pago, American Samoa! I wonder if Mr. Geer ever knew that?
Regardless of the casting and behind the scenes turmoil, it was a moving episode that did address an important part of our collective history! Interesting that John was the one who initially refused to believe the Cherokees' claims [and stated that HE was the sole owner of the land- despite Grandpa being very much alive and more sympathetic to the original inhabitants]! Yes, having the grandfather buried in a pristine ridge was a bittersweet compromise (and the whole family had to contend with the evidence that Grandpa unearthed that the family barn was indeed on top of an ancient Cherokee grave).
Of course, it's interesting that in the decades since this episode, via archeology digs and LIDAR scans, Native American societies in what's now the US have proven to have been FAR more advanced in terms of technology, organization, trade,etc. than most folks believed in the mid 1970's!
Thanks for sharing so MUCH behind the scenes from this particular episode!
My understanding was that Jurado Decouvier had some slight amount of Native American heritage. Whether he lied about this, I’m not sure anyone knows or how it might have been proven true or false at the time. Certainly to episode as far as the storyline on screen and the controversy behind the scenes - raises many debates.
@@judynorton2598 Considering the late Mr. Decouvier's 1910 birth, it would somewhat strain credulity that a potential Native American parent much less a Native American grandparent,etc. would have crossed the Pacific Ocean from what's now the U S Mainland to Pago Pago have conceived him much less a more distant ancestor but I guess that it's possible he may have been a descendant of a group of Polynesians who intermarried with South American Native Americans around 1200 A.D. as per recent genetic findings.
Of course, since that performer is longg since deceased and the episode's long since been completed, it's somewhat a moot point but I can't help but wonder if Mr. Geer ever learned of that performer's actual birthplace, ancestry,etc.
Regardless, it was an interesting episode with many interesting behind the scenes twists and I thank you for your insight.
@@wardarcade7452 It certainly does raise valid questions. We will likely never know the answer to these questions. For me the two takeaways are - the convictions of Will and Ralph to support and campaign for real Native American's to play those roles, And that ultimately it was still a lovely episode with a strong message. And here we are all these years later with an opportunity to continue the conversation about casting and fair treatment of all. On screen and in life. Would be nice if we stop repeating the mistakes of the past.
In hindsight I think everyone pulled together an excellent production. I can understand the importance of maintaining the authenticity of the production, but that is not always possible.
Ultimately they pulled together a beautiful story with a strong message.
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Who played Josh Foster ? Thanks for the reminders of a great show.
Todd Bridges originally played Josh.
not a favorite episode of the Waltons for me but i will watch it with a different approach the next time I see it. thanks Judy
Thank you.
Dear Judy, It would have been nice to see Eduard Franz return to play Mr .Teskeegee, but the part was played beautifully by the Native American (I forgot the actor's name; I guess I'm getting older). The judge (I think it's Richard Eastland) would return to play Paul Northridge's father late in season 9 and in "A Wedding on Waltons' Mountain". I'm glad Ralph Senensky got that final (and sweet) moment with Will Geer at the end of filming "Grandma Comes Home".
Thank you for sharing your perspective on the episode.
And in the episode "The Hot Rod", the new Ep is in it. I don't remember any episode that dealt with the original Ep's(John Crawford) departure. Perhaps you can. enlighten me. Thanks!
My guess is that John Crawford wasn’t available so they used a “deputy” for that episode. He was back as Ep in a later episode in S9 so he wasn’t gone for good.