I have two things to add. First is that you can use charcoal directly if you make it from a really hot fire because under extreme heat it becomes partially graphitized. Because it's still charcoal it has a super high surface area, but it's kind of hard to make a good connection to wires unless your charcoal is super long (the solution with absorb into the charcoal and will degrade your wiring). You can make normal charcoal better by soaking it in urea solution, drying it out, and then heating it in a fire. You can also heat it in the microwave but it will arc a little bit. Finally, you can use about 5% oil and protein powder as a binder because as it heats up it makes very long aromatic chains which holds it all together and the nitrogen content actually makes the charcoal tend more to being graphitic. You do have to heat it up in a fire with no oxygen though.
Thanks for the advice ! I don't understand why urea would help, wouldn't it just decompose in CO2 NH3 and others like cyanuric acid or biuret ? Also did you test the oil and protein powder mix or is it just an idea ? Anyway thanks for all suggestions !
@@jam_kemist3986 The urea can help because one of its pyrolysis products is melam which can then polymerize into graphitic carbon nitride which then provides a place for the carbon to start producing a more conductive graphitic structure. The temperature shouldn't go above 600°C or else the urea will decompose entirely into gaseous products, but a gentle fire shouldn't get it that hot. As for the oil and protein powder, i specifically tried it with the cheapest vegetable oil i could find and (because i happen to have a lot of it) the amino acid phenylalanine. I can't guarantee that whole protein will work, but i don't see why not
The problem is not really the conductivity tbh, the brittlness/density is more important atm. The protein Idea seems pretty good but since I have flour and no protein powder imma stick with this mix for the moment
@@jam_kemist3986 Maybe of interest heptazine, or tri-s-triazine or cyamelurine...as an extension of melamine plane for a poly-aza-graphene; interesting compounds on a detonic theoretic level because of the density increase and nitrogen content. Indeed the chemistry of H2N-CO-NH2 and thermolitic products is awfully complex... NH4OCN, H2N-CN, polymers, H2N-CO-NH-CO-NH2, isocyanuric acid, cyanuric acid and ammonium, uronium salts... PHZ
Hi Jam Kemist, Nice try. Indeed quite handy to be able to make your own carbon-electrodes. I also have some ideas for "PbO2-PbO-Pb and clay pots" ones (to make chlorates and eventually perchlorates; although it would probably be much more easy by dilluted H2SO4 distillation of chlorate (yielding HClO3 below the dangerous zone of 40% and disproportionation leaving HClO4 and setting HCl free; or the thermolysis of NaClO3 that allows for precipitation into molten NaClO3 of NaCl after disproportionation into NaClO4 and NaCl and then extraction of residual NaClO3 and NaClO4 from aceton in wich the later is more soluble; while the NaClO3 is moderately soluble and NaCl unssoluble; then HCl treatment destroys any chlorate left into Cl2, H2O and NaCl leaving only Na perchlorate exempt of risky NaClO3 for pyromixes involving acids generating stuffs (P, S, ...) I would probably test from BBQ charcoal too (or gaphite what is more dense but requires to be extrated from its oils, volatile aromatics and volatile polyaromatics (PAHC) and heteraoaromatics (this can be done via acetone reflux-soxhlet). I will also try to find an unreactive "cement" organic or mineral that can be molten. I also will test for carbon sulfur electrodes; because about 35 years ago I discovered a glassy stuf that was made (with a metalic glow) out of molten sulfur and C black of fumes (ultrafine sooth(*) from candles on a cold surface); if this is conductive; it should solve all your (and mine too) problems with electrodes allowing us to make hard solid electrodes (brittle by hamer yes) and smooth, of nearly any size and shape for a cheap price (sulfur is cheap so is C-black of fumes); the electrodes should be inert towards many chemicals if not too hot or too oxydants; and easily remolded and remade if they corrode after some uses. Kind regards, (*) Black of fume was quite potent for chlorate based black powder NaClO3 or even better KClO3 / S / C / CaCO3 - the CaCO3 is there to fight surfacial acidity of S generating itself upon time via air (and oxygen) oxydation and forming traces of adsorbed SO2 and SO3 (thus H2SO4 after catching moisture from the air); same applies with the unfamous white or red P yielding the sensitive Armstro,g"s mixes (via trace P2O5 and H3PO4); the resulting conc HClO3 from H2SO4 or H3PO4 is of course self igniting and explosive leading to extremely unpredictable sensitivity and uncompatibility of chlorate based pyro-mixes); this Ca(2+) also give a slight rose-orange hue to KClO3 / S / C powder while burning; it burns hot and fast; so probably most colors will fade to white if using other carbonates like Li (red), Sr (red), Ba (green), Cu (blue) (caution this last one may sensitise chlorate mixes). I have had KClO3 / S / C black of fume that was so potent and fast due to fineness of ingredients that could reach D2D in a a few g even into a 3 cm copper pipe open on both sides and put on the ground with one end upside and filled with a coffee spoon of mix poored lose into it without compression and actuated by a long fuse; the pipe was turned into dust - shrapnels - fumes. A fuse made with a plastic straw of 3mm large and 30 cm long lasted like: 10 sec with normal KNO3 BP, 5 secs with fine BP; about 10 sec with KClO3-S-C-CaCO3 gross powder (but way more bright and powerful than the KNO3 one) and this black of fumes / KClO3 / S / CaCO3 mix burned the fuse in less than 1 second (yes ONE second) (the plastic of the straw had barely the time to melt prior the flame front had already reached the bottom; it melted afterwards after a delay. I assume that any usual KNO3 would also perform much faster with it. PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum; yes the very same you spoke about into the begining of this video :o) )
Hi again ! I've never seen on youtube the process you describe for making perchloric acid from chlorate salts via distillation. It seems really interresting, I'll do some research on it for sure ! The carbon sulfur idea seems good as well, I had though about soot as a source of carbon but no idea on how to get large amounts of it sadly. Anyway thanks for your much appreciated suggestions as always ! And are you saying you are hexabromobenzene ?
@@jam_kemist3986 Thanks J.K., The process is indeed quite easy but requires some safety for distillation of HClO4 of 40Hint, I explained it with more details in french into comments of the french YT channel "à fond les ballons" ;o) The easy melting of NaClO3 to NaCl and NaClO4 is quite interesting; it requires temperature control to not heat too high to the NaClO4 decomposition temperature (leading to NaCl and O2); but it is easily observable (O2 bubbles) and precipitation of NaCl or NaClO4 into the clear liquid molten NaClO3. I have made it myself and it is quite good and easy. Sadly NaClO3 is no more accessible OTC into Brico shops or other drogist shops since the regulations of Europe due to ban (the EU did ban many chemicals because they were used to make energetics or did kill people (sadly some stupid people did salt their steak with "sodium chloratum" - insead of sodium chloride and they died what did put the product with a red flag onto the list :o( ) The process was exposed into a YT video of Laboratory of Liptakov (another SM forum member like me). And NO I'm not the SM-forum member hexabromobenzene; I'm PHILOU Zrealone as signed at the bottom of my YT comments; a bit like the cheese "Port Salut" "it is written on it" ;o); I also think that I was busy into the SM forum before he came in. PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)
As acid one can make use of H2SO4 40% or H3PO3 40%; because both are of low valtility vs HCl or HClO4; and the 60% H2O is there for security and remain on the safe side while disproportionation occurs and HClO4 distillation. H2SO4 is watched and restricted due to EU ban (energetic materials) and acts of terror-fool-ism. Maybe H3PO4 can be obtained with much more ease; and recyled for use in close ring production. PHZ (PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)
Heya! If you have issues with self made charcoal, you could use fuel coal coke. It is very conductive (propably less than 0.1ohm) and come in chunks. It is hard though so you would need a steel mortar and pestle to crush it. You should be able to buy it in places that sell fuel coal.
58th comment U got a new sub I want to make sodium chlorate with this one and i want to know whether the anode made by this method will disintegrate over time or will it last long
Realisticaly the potassium is just on the surface after cooking the electrode, and I didn't showed it on camera but yeah you need to wash them before using them. The boron tho is mostly trapped inside the carbon and is insoluble anyway
You probably know it, but you can get these carbon rods out of carbon zinc/heavy duty bateries. Just find an e-waste bin, collect some big R20 batteries and you are done. Taking such battery apart is pretty easy and relatively safe, but it is easy to make quite a mess. Then you heat up these rods slowly to burn out any acid or other substances and thats it. If you don t pre-heat them ant then use them in a high temperature application like an arc lamp, they might explode from the expandig steam inside them so be carefull.
I knew it was a thing but thanks for the precision ! The downside is that you can only make chlorates with those whereas a boron-doped glassy carbon electrode (not exactly the ones I made) can make perchlorates hehe
@@jam_kemist3986 Im sorry, im an electronic hobbyist, not a chemist or anything, i thought that you need just a resistive to corrosion material for doing electrolysis. I read online that you can dope graphene (probably graphite as well) with boron but the price of chemicals to do so exceeds the price of already doped graphite. Why is boron so important? I watched a guy making a rocket from table salt and he said that he could make sodium perchlorate by just doing electrolysis of salt water, though it would take a very long time, like a week or more at a few amps. Sorry for my bad englisch, if it is bad...
@@jam_kemist3986 There is also the possibility to use gaphite from drawing shops; I have some that are 1 sq cm diameter, shiny and smooth like a pencil end for about 15 cm long. It is a common item and doesn't cost a lot :o)
Yes probably but at this point you'll need a ball mill, which I will try to make, and very dry carbon so that it doesn't clump, it adds a few steps but might be worth trying
@@DecayedPage maybe but without tests, it's hard to tell, to be a good binder it needs to form the less gazes possible and decompose into mostly carbon
@@DecayedPage nice if you have any results, I'd love to discuss on discord, I personnaly want to try phenol-formaldehyde resin while it's decomposing to see if it would make a solid block or if I need to compress it as well
Thanks for the suggestion, Can you explain tho how would MgSO4 make the electrodes waterproof if it's itself soluble in water ? Maybe I misunderstood 🤔
@@jam_kemist3986 I guess he wants to precipitate MgCO3 into the pores of the charcoal by the reaction Na2CO3 (aq) + MgSO4 (aq) --> MgCO3(s) + Na2SO4 (aq)
I really dont like adding stuffs to graphite to shape it. Just use a carbon based compound or dont ! Because when the rod corrodes it will gonna react with solution. Just use the pure carbon/graphite. The low conductivity or (resistance) is when the mineral in wood is not brunt !!. First the wood truns into carbon (including some potassium in it), with the high pressure and high temperature it truns into graphite !!. You know about wood ash yeah ? A potassium bicarbonate, just remove it from fine carbon powder before proceeding. Theres about 14% fine potassium in it. I just the pure and perfect stuffs. Use a steal pipe and hidrolic-press to compress the fine carbon powder !! And set the steel on metal-melting oven (not a wood stove), cuz metal-melting oven dilivers enough temperature to trun it into graphite. Once it truns into graphite rod, it will take a shape and be strong, no need to shape it with additives.
@@jam_kemist3986 No 😂 they use Starch and coal dust from the wooden chare coal production and press them into little round bricks called brickets. The are pretty hard and when you pyrolize them they sound like care coal and are shiny like chare coal /graphic like? but are harder then charcoal. I didn't messure conductivity though. It might be electrode like. You need some good amount of pressure. I'm not sure about the mixing ratio starch to coal dust though. I look it up and will post the ratio here.
Dude im not sure if you can make perchlorates from carbon/graphite anodes ive made lots of k chlorate though just from battery carbons and stainless steel butter knife good luck though man im looking forward to the attempt
Thanks for the appreciation ! From what I understand boron doped glassy carbon electrodes can, but I'm not there yet hehe... Glassy carbon is just the name for a mix of graphite and usual carbon made when you heat carbon really hot but not to complete graphitisation temperatures
Nothings better than cave chemistry change my mind
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When you live in Mountain have access to woods, have access to pine trees, have a garden.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE publish more fails. also this video, really good, really enjoyed it! Keep up this evolution my man.
Haha thanks a lot ! It was a my longuest project on this channel, hopefully more to come ! 🦅🦅🦅
The distillable solvent from pine resin is called turpentine.
Thanks for the info mate !
I have two things to add. First is that you can use charcoal directly if you make it from a really hot fire because under extreme heat it becomes partially graphitized. Because it's still charcoal it has a super high surface area, but it's kind of hard to make a good connection to wires unless your charcoal is super long (the solution with absorb into the charcoal and will degrade your wiring).
You can make normal charcoal better by soaking it in urea solution, drying it out, and then heating it in a fire. You can also heat it in the microwave but it will arc a little bit.
Finally, you can use about 5% oil and protein powder as a binder because as it heats up it makes very long aromatic chains which holds it all together and the nitrogen content actually makes the charcoal tend more to being graphitic. You do have to heat it up in a fire with no oxygen though.
Thanks for the advice !
I don't understand why urea would help, wouldn't it just decompose in CO2 NH3 and others like cyanuric acid or biuret ?
Also did you test the oil and protein powder mix or is it just an idea ?
Anyway thanks for all suggestions !
@@jam_kemist3986 The urea can help because one of its pyrolysis products is melam which can then polymerize into graphitic carbon nitride which then provides a place for the carbon to start producing a more conductive graphitic structure. The temperature shouldn't go above 600°C or else the urea will decompose entirely into gaseous products, but a gentle fire shouldn't get it that hot. As for the oil and protein powder, i specifically tried it with the cheapest vegetable oil i could find and (because i happen to have a lot of it) the amino acid phenylalanine. I can't guarantee that whole protein will work, but i don't see why not
The problem is not really the conductivity tbh, the brittlness/density is more important atm.
The protein Idea seems pretty good but since I have flour and no protein powder imma stick with this mix for the moment
@@jam_kemist3986
Maybe of interest heptazine, or tri-s-triazine or cyamelurine...as an extension of melamine plane for a poly-aza-graphene; interesting compounds on a detonic theoretic level because of the density increase and nitrogen content.
Indeed the chemistry of H2N-CO-NH2 and thermolitic products is awfully complex... NH4OCN, H2N-CN, polymers, H2N-CO-NH-CO-NH2, isocyanuric acid, cyanuric acid and ammonium, uronium salts...
PHZ
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new jam kemist upload 😎
Hell yeah 😎
Hi Jam Kemist,
Nice try.
Indeed quite handy to be able to make your own carbon-electrodes.
I also have some ideas for "PbO2-PbO-Pb and clay pots" ones (to make chlorates and eventually perchlorates; although it would probably be much more easy by dilluted H2SO4 distillation of chlorate (yielding HClO3 below the dangerous zone of 40% and disproportionation leaving HClO4 and setting HCl free; or the thermolysis of NaClO3 that allows for precipitation into molten NaClO3 of NaCl after disproportionation into NaClO4 and NaCl and then extraction of residual NaClO3 and NaClO4 from aceton in wich the later is more soluble; while the NaClO3 is moderately soluble and NaCl unssoluble; then HCl treatment destroys any chlorate left into Cl2, H2O and NaCl leaving only Na perchlorate exempt of risky NaClO3 for pyromixes involving acids generating stuffs (P, S, ...)
I would probably test from BBQ charcoal too (or gaphite what is more dense but requires to be extrated from its oils, volatile aromatics and volatile polyaromatics (PAHC) and heteraoaromatics (this can be done via acetone reflux-soxhlet).
I will also try to find an unreactive "cement" organic or mineral that can be molten.
I also will test for carbon sulfur electrodes; because about 35 years ago I discovered a glassy stuf that was made (with a metalic glow) out of molten sulfur and C black of fumes (ultrafine sooth(*) from candles on a cold surface); if this is conductive; it should solve all your (and mine too) problems with electrodes allowing us to make hard solid electrodes (brittle by hamer yes) and smooth, of nearly any size and shape for a cheap price (sulfur is cheap so is C-black of fumes); the electrodes should be inert towards many chemicals if not too hot or too oxydants; and easily remolded and remade if they corrode after some uses.
Kind regards,
(*) Black of fume was quite potent for chlorate based black powder NaClO3 or even better KClO3 / S / C / CaCO3
- the CaCO3 is there to fight surfacial acidity of S generating itself upon time via air (and oxygen) oxydation and forming traces of adsorbed SO2 and SO3 (thus H2SO4 after catching moisture from the air); same applies with the unfamous white or red P yielding the sensitive Armstro,g"s mixes (via trace P2O5 and H3PO4); the resulting conc HClO3 from H2SO4 or H3PO4 is of course self igniting and explosive leading to extremely unpredictable sensitivity and uncompatibility of chlorate based pyro-mixes); this Ca(2+) also give a slight rose-orange hue to KClO3 / S / C powder while burning; it burns hot and fast; so probably most colors will fade to white if using other carbonates like Li (red), Sr (red), Ba (green), Cu (blue) (caution this last one may sensitise chlorate mixes).
I have had KClO3 / S / C black of fume that was so potent and fast due to fineness of ingredients that could reach D2D in a a few g even into a 3 cm copper pipe open on both sides and put on the ground with one end upside and filled with a coffee spoon of mix poored lose into it without compression and actuated by a long fuse; the pipe was turned into dust - shrapnels - fumes.
A fuse made with a plastic straw of 3mm large and 30 cm long lasted like:
10 sec with normal KNO3 BP,
5 secs with fine BP;
about 10 sec with KClO3-S-C-CaCO3 gross powder (but way more bright and powerful than the KNO3 one)
and this black of fumes / KClO3 / S / CaCO3 mix burned the fuse in less than 1 second (yes ONE second) (the plastic of the straw had barely the time to melt prior the flame front had already reached the bottom; it melted afterwards after a delay.
I assume that any usual KNO3 would also perform much faster with it.
PHZ
(PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum; yes the very same you spoke about into the begining of this video :o) )
Hi again !
I've never seen on youtube the process you describe for making perchloric acid from chlorate salts via distillation. It seems really interresting, I'll do some research on it for sure !
The carbon sulfur idea seems good as well, I had though about soot as a source of carbon but no idea on how to get large amounts of it sadly.
Anyway thanks for your much appreciated suggestions as always !
And are you saying you are hexabromobenzene ?
@@jam_kemist3986
Thanks J.K.,
The process is indeed quite easy but requires some safety for distillation of HClO4 of 40Hint, I explained it with more details in french into comments of the french YT channel "à fond les ballons" ;o)
The easy melting of NaClO3 to NaCl and NaClO4 is quite interesting; it requires temperature control to not heat too high to the NaClO4 decomposition temperature (leading to NaCl and O2); but it is easily observable (O2 bubbles) and precipitation of NaCl or NaClO4 into the clear liquid molten NaClO3.
I have made it myself and it is quite good and easy. Sadly NaClO3 is no more accessible OTC into Brico shops or other drogist shops since the regulations of Europe due to ban (the EU did ban many chemicals because they were used to make energetics or did kill people (sadly some stupid people did salt their steak with "sodium chloratum" - insead of sodium chloride and they died what did put the product with a red flag onto the list :o( )
The process was exposed into a YT video of Laboratory of Liptakov (another SM forum member like me).
And NO I'm not the SM-forum member hexabromobenzene; I'm PHILOU Zrealone as signed at the bottom of my YT comments; a bit like the cheese "Port Salut" "it is written on it" ;o); I also think that I was busy into the SM forum before he came in.
PHZ
(PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)
@@philouzlouis2042 sorry for my misunderstanding, I thought you had multiple accounts 😂
As acid one can make use of H2SO4 40% or H3PO3 40%; because both are of low valtility vs HCl or HClO4; and the 60% H2O is there for security and remain on the safe side while disproportionation occurs and HClO4 distillation.
H2SO4 is watched and restricted due to EU ban (energetic materials) and acts of terror-fool-ism.
Maybe H3PO4 can be obtained with much more ease; and recyled for use in close ring production.
PHZ
(PHILOU Zrealone from the Science Madness forum)
Very useful information. Thanks. Do this type use for arc welder?
Thanks a lot ! I'm going to test this in the next video because I need to turn the electrodes into glassy carbon using high temperatures :p
@@jam_kemist3986 OK.im waiting for it.thanks a lot.your video is perfect.
Heya! If you have issues with self made charcoal, you could use fuel coal coke. It is very conductive (propably less than 0.1ohm) and come in chunks. It is hard though so you would need a steel mortar and pestle to crush it. You should be able to buy it in places that sell fuel coal.
Thanks for the suggestion !
I'm going to search for it and try it If I find some
13:38 The copper wire is what's electrolyzing the water!
The electrode was also doing the job as you can tell by bubbles where the copper is not present
Nah !
Don't u see the electrode bubbling?
yes that is wood
58th comment
U got a new sub
I want to make sodium chlorate with this one and i want to know whether the anode made by this method will disintegrate over time or will it last long
I will probably test it in the next electrodes video hehe
@@jam_kemist3986 ok thank u
Won't Potassium (from the ash) and Boron (from the Boric acid) contaminate anything you try to use these in?
Realisticaly the potassium is just on the surface after cooking the electrode, and I didn't showed it on camera but yeah you need to wash them before using them.
The boron tho is mostly trapped inside the carbon and is insoluble anyway
Nice
Thanks !
You probably know it, but you can get these carbon rods out of carbon zinc/heavy duty bateries. Just find an e-waste bin, collect some big R20 batteries and you are done. Taking such battery apart is pretty easy and relatively safe, but it is easy to make quite a mess. Then you heat up these rods slowly to burn out any acid or other substances and thats it. If you don t pre-heat them ant then use them in a high temperature application like an arc lamp, they might explode from the expandig steam inside them so be carefull.
I knew it was a thing but thanks for the precision !
The downside is that you can only make chlorates with those whereas a boron-doped glassy carbon electrode (not exactly the ones I made) can make perchlorates hehe
@@jam_kemist3986
Im sorry, im an electronic hobbyist, not a chemist or anything, i thought that you need just a resistive to corrosion material for doing electrolysis. I read online that you can dope graphene (probably graphite as well) with boron but the price of chemicals to do so exceeds the price of already doped graphite. Why is boron so important? I watched a guy making a rocket from table salt and he said that he could make sodium perchlorate by just doing electrolysis of salt water, though it would take a very long time, like a week or more at a few amps. Sorry for my bad englisch, if it is bad...
@@jam_kemist3986
There is also the possibility to use gaphite from drawing shops; I have some that are 1 sq cm diameter, shiny and smooth like a pencil end for about 15 cm long. It is a common item and doesn't cost a lot :o)
Could you get a higher density by grinding the charcoal finer?
Yes probably but at this point you'll need a ball mill, which I will try to make, and very dry carbon so that it doesn't clump, it adds a few steps but might be worth trying
Let me know when you figure out how to make wood from electrodes
Make a powder from the electrodes, and plant a seed 😎
I wonder, would bitumen work as a binder?
@@DecayedPage maybe but without tests, it's hard to tell, to be a good binder it needs to form the less gazes possible and decompose into mostly carbon
@@jam_kemist3986 Yea I might do some tests on that, for the pyrolisis chamber im probably just gonna heat a soupcan with a high current MOT
@@DecayedPage nice if you have any results, I'd love to discuss on discord, I personnaly want to try phenol-formaldehyde resin while it's decomposing to see if it would make a solid block or if I need to compress it as well
use bicarb and water proof it with epsom salt solution, but it takes many dips for it to be fully water proof. but prob only get low conductivity.
Thanks for the suggestion,
Can you explain tho how would MgSO4 make the electrodes waterproof if it's itself soluble in water ?
Maybe I misunderstood 🤔
@@jam_kemist3986 it reacts with the sodium bicarbonate to make magnesium bicarbonate (water insoluable)
@@jam_kemist3986
I guess he wants to precipitate MgCO3 into the pores of the charcoal by the reaction
Na2CO3 (aq) + MgSO4 (aq) --> MgCO3(s) + Na2SO4 (aq)
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I guess ball milled charcoal would work better.
Thanks for suggestion ! I tryed but had a fiew issues with my homemade ball mill, hopefully I can make it work 🙏
il do it
Tell me if you get interresting results !
Ok
I really dont like adding stuffs to graphite to shape it. Just use a carbon based compound or dont !
Because when the rod corrodes it will gonna react with solution. Just use the pure carbon/graphite.
The low conductivity or (resistance) is when the mineral in wood is not brunt !!. First the wood truns into carbon (including some potassium in it), with the high pressure and high temperature it truns into graphite !!. You know about wood ash yeah ? A potassium bicarbonate, just remove it from fine carbon powder before proceeding. Theres about 14% fine potassium in it. I just the pure and perfect stuffs. Use a steal pipe and hidrolic-press to compress the fine carbon powder !!
And set the steel on metal-melting oven (not a wood stove), cuz metal-melting oven dilivers enough temperature to trun it into graphite.
Once it truns into graphite rod, it will take a shape and be strong, no need to shape it with additives.
Don't forget you have delivery consistent pressure while heating. You can just do it by hands if you don't have hydro-press.
Ah yes I'm going to press manually a 1000°c rod with my hands
Science doesn't care about what you like lol. boron doped diamond is an exemple of it. Stop saying bs when you don't know it will help you
You can also use Starch instead of sweat flower
Yep that's definitly a good idea, needs to be tested, hopefully I'll have the time
Thanks for the suggestion !
@@jam_kemist3986 i know that from the coal brickets production. in Germany are coal brickets popolare
@@icebluscorpion what do you mean ? I should use german coal ?
@@jam_kemist3986 No 😂 they use Starch and coal dust from the wooden chare coal production and press them into little round bricks called brickets. The are pretty hard and when you pyrolize them they sound like care coal and are shiny like chare coal /graphic like? but are harder then charcoal. I didn't messure conductivity though. It might be electrode like. You need some good amount of pressure. I'm not sure about the mixing ratio starch to coal dust though. I look it up and will post the ratio here.
I found the patent but I probably are not allowed to post it because the stupid algorithm will delete my comment
what happened to your weight
Do you mean my scale ?
Yeah my English is kinda bad
No problem mate ! Yeah basically it's just very old and rusty, I'll get a newer more precise one in a few month
Dude im not sure if you can make perchlorates from carbon/graphite anodes ive made lots of k chlorate though just from battery carbons and stainless steel butter knife good luck though man im looking forward to the attempt
Thanks for the appreciation !
From what I understand boron doped glassy carbon electrodes can, but I'm not there yet hehe...
Glassy carbon is just the name for a mix of graphite and usual carbon made when you heat carbon really hot but not to complete graphitisation temperatures