Hollow Knight - Speedrunner vs. 4 Hunters

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  • Опубліковано 12 січ 2021
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    A speedrunner vs. four hunters: the speedrunner's goal is to defeat The Hollow Knight in 80 minutes or less. If the hunters stop him, they win. This was played using Hollow Knight's Online Multiplayer Mod with PvP enabled.
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    Speedrunner vs. Hunter Rules:
    - The speedrunner wins on the final hit to The Hollow Knight.
    - The hunters if the speedrunner hasn't won in 80 minutes.
    - Hunters start with 3 HP, Pure Nail, all movement abilities, Dream Gate, Dashmaster, Sprintmaster, Compass, no spells, and no nail arts.
    - Hunters start in Godhome on a completed 112% save file.
    - Hunters have 3 lifelines that they can use to ask the speedrunner which area they are in.
    - Benchwarp is allowed, but only to warp to the last bench you have sat on.
    #multiplayer #pvp #manhunt
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  • @fireb0rn
    @fireb0rn  3 роки тому +3579

    Check out the perspectives of these awesome Hollow Knight UA-camrs!
    Rusty ua-cam.com/video/FOHLP-wkHj0/v-deo.html
    Relyea ua-cam.com/video/_urW59t1Dqw/v-deo.html
    Perpetual Noob ua-cam.com/video/c8Pug70XJyg/v-deo.html

    • @hornetisvoider
      @hornetisvoider 3 роки тому +11

      Yes

    • @jac1871
      @jac1871 3 роки тому +37

      Wait how is this 17 hours ago? The video came out 2 minutes ago. I mean you might’ve private and un private but still.

    • @Robbe-Muylaert
      @Robbe-Muylaert 3 роки тому +6

      You is cool

    • @xXWolf24Xx
      @xXWolf24Xx 3 роки тому +20

      You forgot cranky

    • @hornetisvoider
      @hornetisvoider 3 роки тому +21

      @@xXWolf24Xx plot twist: he doesn't exist

  • @skyecloudd1278
    @skyecloudd1278 3 роки тому +5888

    "The bastard has probably already completed silksong" lmao

    • @bucketface1583
      @bucketface1583 3 роки тому +248

      man’s gonna speedrun silksong before it came out

    • @DokuDoki
      @DokuDoki 3 роки тому +153

      Theory, Fire is helping to playtest the game but he cannot tell us... conclusion, he did indeed complete Silksong

    • @skyecloudd1278
      @skyecloudd1278 3 роки тому +91

      @@DokuDoki he probably already knows every skip and glitch before it's even released

    • @pouncelygrin6699
      @pouncelygrin6699 3 роки тому +4

      lol xD

    • @vperalez06
      @vperalez06 3 роки тому +38

      @@DokuDoki He’s gonna be the reason there are no skips or glitches if that’s the case.

  • @DolanDarker
    @DolanDarker 3 роки тому +11777

    This is such a slick idea, it makes the wait for Silksong a little easier

  • @batturing
    @batturing 3 роки тому +7549

    this man really went without the lantern. through DEEPNEST

    • @lofi219
      @lofi219 2 роки тому +553

      He knows the place like the back of his hand at this point

    • @aetherlynx
      @aetherlynx 2 роки тому +322

      He's fireborn, what do you expect

    • @revivrevalchn3503
      @revivrevalchn3503 2 роки тому +324

      dude probably go through Path of pain Blind folded.

    • @lofi219
      @lofi219 2 роки тому +132

      @@revivrevalchn3503 I refuse to believe he hasn't

    • @Dan-do2pl
      @Dan-do2pl 2 роки тому +204

      @@revivrevalchn3503 bro the path of pain to him is *a path to the grocery store*

  • @Derbycat1
    @Derbycat1 2 роки тому +844

    "His next stop is totally dream nail"
    Fire: "I'm already 4 parallel universes ahead of you."

  • @1th_to_comment.
    @1th_to_comment. 3 роки тому +4260

    "Bastard's probably playing silk song by now!"
    -Rusty. 2021

    • @kelismaincharacter4925
      @kelismaincharacter4925 3 роки тому +81

      That fucking killed me lmfao

    • @Cyceryx
      @Cyceryx 2 роки тому +2

      @@kelismaincharacter4925 same

    • @bridgeseller7004
      @bridgeseller7004 2 роки тому +3

      Timestamp anyone?

    • @bridgeseller7004
      @bridgeseller7004 2 роки тому +4

      @hornet is spider Thanks. Returned to watching this after some time, so I didn't remember it was in the beginning.

  • @CrankyTemplar
    @CrankyTemplar 3 роки тому +3304

    As always, this is much fun learning new stuff with routes.

    • @theknight4254
      @theknight4254 3 роки тому +6

      Yes I'm going to learn how to speedrun good and then come for fire's spot

    • @darklusare7582
      @darklusare7582 3 роки тому +11

      everytime I see you on the screen approaching fireborn, I get menacing vibes
      and totally expect fire to easily die, but he got better

    • @livingzlife4983
      @livingzlife4983 3 роки тому +7

      I watched your Stream awhile ago

    • @XcouchpotatoX1
      @XcouchpotatoX1 3 роки тому +1

      17:12 when he opened that shortcut I was flabbergasted

    • @RaymondR3dd
      @RaymondR3dd 3 роки тому

      You were the only one who did anything to kill him. Others hit him, but otherwise just said “nice” when you landed the final blows.

  • @ramon6783
    @ramon6783 2 роки тому +3283

    Hunters: "that's so dirty!"
    Also Hunters: boss camping
    But man, fire. You're an absolute god. Congrats on the successful monarch wings skip!

    • @TheBluePhoenix008
      @TheBluePhoenix008 Рік тому +39

      It's surprising that even with this, the latter manhunts are much more impressive.
      Also 1 k likes and no replies? Damn.

  • @evewhoo
    @evewhoo 3 роки тому +714

    14:07 Their shock at him having a nail art and being at watchers will never fail to amuse me. I like their new rules, but there’s something so funny about the speedrunner working in the shadows and all of a sudden popping with like two new abilities and a mask and shocking everyone.

  • @mastercrash0683
    @mastercrash0683 3 роки тому +2568

    Imagine he's gone for like 30 minutes, the hunters are all anxious and stuff. They are guarding the dreamers, and waiting for him to show up, and when he finally does, he has abyss shriek, quick slash, strength, and a bunch of other stuff, and he just obliterates them.

    • @Rotem_S
      @Rotem_S 3 роки тому +263

      I really hope he does this in like april fool's while just hiding at crossroads using a cheat engine

    • @wilsonsiregar4737
      @wilsonsiregar4737 3 роки тому +22

      strenght charm should do double damage in multiplayer

    • @themustardman219
      @themustardman219 3 роки тому +16

      He beats NKG just to flex.

    • @riverajustinmarks.
      @riverajustinmarks. 3 роки тому +3

      the strength also has to be unbreakable.

  • @DokuDoki
    @DokuDoki 3 роки тому +5373

    You should equip Thorns of Agony, they'll never kno what hit them

    • @HalfaWaffle601
      @HalfaWaffle601 3 роки тому +381

      The thorns
      Duh

    • @ljpal18
      @ljpal18 3 роки тому +437

      New problem, new suggestion. Hopefully fire reads this.

    • @jerri1918
      @jerri1918 3 роки тому +79

      @@HalfaWaffle601 shhhh they'll never know

    • @PaperLaur
      @PaperLaur 3 роки тому +439

      @@HalfaWaffle601 I mean, given the multiplayer mod's tendency to NOT show things...they might actually never know

    • @hippotripo6145
      @hippotripo6145 3 роки тому +54

      Especially if he’s trying to avoid them in greenpath after Hornet

  • @FrostSylph
    @FrostSylph 2 роки тому +471

    "He's probably going for lantern"
    Fireborn running through a dark area blind: "lantern? I don't require such a crutch."

  • @oliverwithers9736
    @oliverwithers9736 3 роки тому +436

    You should definitely make it so the hunters can’t go into a boss fight multiple times as it creates way to many choke points later on and makes it nearly impossible

    • @jondoh9414
      @jondoh9414 8 місяців тому +8

      That was the fun part. So hilarious to watch when he had to struggle to circumvent their interference. Though maybe camping Uumuu is too unfair.

    • @memerstudio5772
      @memerstudio5772 5 місяців тому +2

      tbh he should have ability to just 1 tap them or hit them once and stun them for 10 sec but he cant damage them in that time

  • @Rusty._
    @Rusty._ 3 роки тому +13646

    These runs will never not be fun

  • @whitewarrior0296
    @whitewarrior0296 3 роки тому +4702

    As much as Rusty [I think it was him, may be wrong] wanted to separate the calls, I feel you'd lose out on a lot of the charm this little series has. Having the hunters talk through what they're doing adds a lot of personality as opposed to silent terrors camping a boss.

    • @dragonheart4332
      @dragonheart4332 3 роки тому +310

      Potentially they could stay in call together but fire has the discord audio not coming into his headset? That way the video still has audio but neither side has each other's

    • @CM-db5cg
      @CM-db5cg 3 роки тому +267

      I also don't think fire would be able to do it without the Intel. Cuz they did overinflate how well he was doing in their heads, constantly thinking he had stuff he didn't.

    • @Chrisbun1
      @Chrisbun1 3 роки тому +196

      Having Fire hear their plans is incredibly fun. Since they have to either resort to mindgames or do something else. Fire working blindly wouldnt be as fun.

    • @rockdeworld
      @rockdeworld 3 роки тому +36

      Yeah especially since as soon as 1 spots him another heads there and as soon as 2 appear it looks like any boss becomes impossible

    • @Zetalight16
      @Zetalight16 3 роки тому +79

      Hunters learning to communicate without giving away their plans/positions is a part of what makes the manhunt format work, IMO. The calls need to stay as-is, they just need to recognize that it's part of the learning curve

  • @VoidIsLonely
    @VoidIsLonely 2 роки тому +664

    I've never seen someone have so much control over their character before holy shit this was so fun to watch

    • @quintonconoly
      @quintonconoly Рік тому +1

      Fr

    • @josuengh4370
      @josuengh4370 9 місяців тому +8

      Yeah, the 16 seconds beat down of Hornet left me speechless

  • @imblackmagic1209
    @imblackmagic1209 3 роки тому +2111

    it's frustrating to watch the hunters gang up on him, basically camp at one mandatory boss, and the run is dead...

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +132

      But that problem is very hard to fix, if you barred boss fights somehow to make it easier on fireborn, it becomes way to hard for the hunters, and that'd be for any speedrunner, not just fireborn

    • @heckingbamboozled8097
      @heckingbamboozled8097 2 роки тому +337

      @@lair9792 Why are you just spamming this exact same thing? Limiting the number of people able to go into the boss arenas would make it so progress isn't literally impossible when they all bench up in the same spot. The Uumuu fight was absolutely unfair, and the only real solution would be to limit the amount of hunter that can be in the boss rooms. You constantly repeating "it'd be too easy then" doesn't align with how ridiculous their grouping up on him was. Would've been even worse had he reached the Hollow Knight

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +47

      @@heckingbamboozled8097 I used the same argument in different comment threads. It wasn't supposed to be spam, my apologies. It seems you have misunderstood what I meant. I never claimed the Uumuu fight wasn't unfair. It was very unfair. However, for a run where the runner can easily avoid everyone for 95% of it, what are the hunters to do? Blindly wander and hope to stumble upon someone? Especially when fireborn can listen in and easily take a route to avoid everyone. My argument isn't "don't limit boss fights," it's "if you are to limit boss fights, the only reliable way to find the runner, there has to be a counter measure for the hunters in place of the restrictions, because without a counter measure, it'd be incredibly easy for the runner to win.

    • @sunsetskye483
      @sunsetskye483 2 роки тому +164

      @@lair9792 But he already has a timer, so it’s not like he can just avoid them forever. And the main goal here is content, and it’s not very entertaining to just watch fire get killed over and over by getting camped.

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +19

      @@sunsetskye483 While I understand and agree with what you say, it also isn't entertaining to see a one sided decimation on the runners side. The hunters are put at a disadvantage by having fewer masks so the only realistic way to fight him is with more than one hunter. This puts them at a disadvantage because it groups them together and gives him more areas to run off too. He can hear all the communication as well. While camping mandatory boss might be scummy and not something I see a whole lot of fun in watching, it was the right decision. There's few areas they know he has to go to, and he can do them in whatever order he likes. It's not that I disagree with what you said, but I'm not so blind to see the advantages fireborn had for the most part.

  • @gamingdragon2361
    @gamingdragon2361 3 роки тому +1415

    I really like how scared they sounded when Fire was at watcher knights with a nail art,
    "He has a nail art?!" 14:00

    • @stacyowl1658
      @stacyowl1658 3 роки тому +40

      the best moment of the whole thing tbh lol

    • @tobias5067
      @tobias5067 3 роки тому +41

      After he died, "Don't thank me, thank Watcher Knights."

    • @Blade.5786
      @Blade.5786 3 роки тому +18

      Basically the reaction of the villain when the main character pulls out his secret technique

  • @Memjahmin
    @Memjahmin 3 роки тому +797

    Templar: Soul Sanctum
    Relyea: Already there. *rising menacingly from the elevator*

    • @laserfast11
      @laserfast11 3 роки тому +65

      25:05 (for those who need it)

    • @lastamuchinabottle4929
      @lastamuchinabottle4929 3 роки тому +33

      *Darth vader music plays in*

    • @kingcyrusrodan6772
      @kingcyrusrodan6772 3 роки тому +16

      (Menacing)

    • @Theoutcome0
      @Theoutcome0 3 роки тому +12

      Yeh I loved this moment.
      Fire: tries to go right. Nope there’s a guy there.
      Heads left.
      Elevator rises.
      “Hello there”

  • @MrMoltakfire
    @MrMoltakfire 3 роки тому +2196

    Ah man, it was fun to watch until I realised they can just enter the boss room when they want. 4+boss v 1 isn’t that fun to watch. :L

    • @themantsang
      @themantsang 3 роки тому +63

      That's the point of a challenge >.>

    • @Eudaletism
      @Eudaletism 3 роки тому +23

      Those are my favorite parts.

    • @jpowel
      @jpowel 3 роки тому +565

      @@themantsang A challenge is no longer a challenge if it is quite literally impossible to complete. This wasn't fair at all as soon as they just started respawning outside the boss rooms and constantly attacking him not allowing him to progress. There should have been rules set up to disallow that and actually make it interesting.

    • @laharlkent
      @laharlkent 3 роки тому +393

      @@jpowel Or they take boss damage also, if they had to avoid everything he did it would make it fairer

    • @infiniteaj8688
      @infiniteaj8688 2 роки тому +39

      @@laharlkent Wouldn't really work, since the bosses all target Fire only. The Hunters would just have to make sure they don't run into the bosses' attacks by accident, otherwise it'd be more or less the same.

  • @littlegirlgogo
    @littlegirlgogo 3 роки тому +175

    while i appreciate the new "announce when you get shit" rules from a balance perspective in the new videos, nothing can compare to this crazy where he disappears for a while and comes back with many more skills and all of the hunters are confused and surprised, or the play where he purposefully didnt dash to keep them guessing at where he went

  • @The_Wallflower
    @The_Wallflower 3 роки тому +3263

    I like how this entire video was just
    “Hey guys, let’s guard [insert spell here]”
    *two minutes later*
    “Hey guys, he’s got [insert ability here]”

    • @brunopagnoncelli975
      @brunopagnoncelli975 Рік тому +91

      Also: agh dang it he got me

    • @kane2440
      @kane2440 Рік тому +9

      good thing i realized the video was trash a min 30 in

    • @SlothyYT
      @SlothyYT Рік тому +88

      @@kane2440it's not

    • @cmtracing101
      @cmtracing101 11 місяців тому +1

      bruh wat

    • @cmtracing101
      @cmtracing101 11 місяців тому

      @@SlothyYT preety much is tho

  • @breadbeard9728
    @breadbeard9728 3 роки тому +2269

    The fact that fire stays almost silent the whole time terrifies me

  • @gavin5410
    @gavin5410 3 роки тому +198

    It would be funny to go for an absolute radiance ending while everyone else is trying to find you on the map

  • @gavinmaretzki6675
    @gavinmaretzki6675 3 роки тому +170

    "He's probably hunting for mask shards, he's gonna be a bear next time we see him"
    *Guess who still has only five masks?*

    • @Aromantic-freak
      @Aromantic-freak Рік тому

      And has 2/3 dreamers, decending dark and shade soul

  • @RelyeaGaming
    @RelyeaGaming 3 роки тому +2440

    This was so much fun. Looking forward to new multiplayer games

    • @frapaiva
      @frapaiva 3 роки тому +15

      It was fun to watch it too

    • @fourcornet1308
      @fourcornet1308 3 роки тому +8

      i have been a fan of your work for ages relyea

    • @frapaiva
      @frapaiva 3 роки тому +2

      @@fourcornet1308 same

    • @milokulp2838
      @milokulp2838 3 роки тому +5

      This'll be fun in silksong

    • @ne2256
      @ne2256 3 роки тому +5

      Who else thinks relyea is underrated... I have got so many abilities like monarch wings, christal heart, mantis claw, etc bcz of him. Next can you please rank all the hollow knight bosses like rusty😁

  • @necr0mancrr
    @necr0mancrr 3 роки тому +412

    The 80 minute time limit helps a lot, I think the main problem of last time was you were essentially guaranteed to win. A limit adds suspense and stakes to it that the previous one was lacking.

    • @blueberrryy
      @blueberrryy 3 роки тому +29

      Personally I think it should be an amount of times they have to kill him, not a time limit.

    • @Abyss10n
      @Abyss10n 3 роки тому +62

      I think the 80 minutes is short though. 120 minutes probably more reasonable.

    • @jellewoort4315
      @jellewoort4315 3 роки тому +11

      @@Abyss10n well he did beat the game in circa 30 minures

    • @Buglin_Burger7878
      @Buglin_Burger7878 3 роки тому +96

      The problem is when all the hunters sit in the room... what can the runner do? It just ends up becoming essentially impossible... and the hunters don't HUNT. They just sit at the boss... and win. By creating a time limit they ensure that he can't get mask shards and soul containers, limiting his options massively... and in turn making a near impossible challenge.
      They can just forgo hunting them the entire time, just wait on the boss they did here... and win.

    • @cameronschiralli3569
      @cameronschiralli3569 3 роки тому +44

      ​@@Buglin_Burger7878 I think that problem spawned less from the time limit and more from the fact that he was straight up out of time. Given a little longer, he could've faked out Uumuu and made his way to the Beast's den (and then possibly bench warped), but because he literally had no time left, his only choice was to throw himself at Uumuu
      Also, keep in mind that he spent a very long time jumping between Soul Sanctum and Watcher Knights, which if he'd been able to deal with sooner, could've also (as they said) done things like get another mask or shade cloak, which would force them to change their positions

  • @theoutspokentheorist9578
    @theoutspokentheorist9578 3 роки тому +450

    Hunters: "This is a pretty good wall we set up here"
    Also Hunters: *camping on one of the bosses who blocks off whole portions of the arena*

  • @Ownniceguy
    @Ownniceguy 2 роки тому +93

    The amount of control this guy has over his character in hollow knight is amazing. I wish I was this good at hollow knight

  • @zzSolsticezz
    @zzSolsticezz 3 роки тому +4687

    “What if Fire had dash and just didn’t use during fights so we didn’t know”
    “That would be AMAZING.”
    Fire: 😉

    • @gersomvanslooten9456
      @gersomvanslooten9456 2 роки тому +154

      I've had Hollow Knight for a week and all the tricks Fire does to skip through the game just boggles my mind!

    • @Pato_Kog
      @Pato_Kog 2 роки тому +12

      666 like here

    • @lastdimensions638
      @lastdimensions638 2 роки тому +5

      I'm 777 like nice

    • @Plantje024
      @Plantje024 2 роки тому +7

      I was literally hearing this while reading this comment

    • @justinsmith9027
      @justinsmith9027 2 роки тому +4

      Whole video was just fire making big brain plays

  • @misdemeanor7083
    @misdemeanor7083 3 роки тому +666

    "what if fire got dash but he was conscious of using dash while fighting you, so he just didn't use it?"
    "that would be next level"
    lmao

  • @KorrieRose
    @KorrieRose 2 роки тому +14

    Hunters: Fire's probably here
    Fire: *three galaxy brains ahead of them*

  • @batturing
    @batturing 3 роки тому +28

    i love how the hunters keep calling your next move right after you finished doing whatever they thought you were heading for

  • @ZettatheCrimson
    @ZettatheCrimson 3 роки тому +2463

    This felt like watching those really bad invaders in Dark Souls that stand by the biggest enemy in the area and take credit for it killing the person they invaded lol.

    • @ciaranhayes3212
      @ciaranhayes3212 3 роки тому +79

      I was playing as a blue sentinel and had an invader who did that today stood beside the pus of man in high wall of lothric with a bunch of poison weapons. Fuck that guy

    • @aboi6638
      @aboi6638 3 роки тому +24

      I mean, as long as you dont suck at the game like a casual it shouldn't be difficult to deal with

    • @slambotv1334
      @slambotv1334 3 роки тому +52

      @@ciaranhayes3212 the pus of man is the hardest enemy in High Wall, but I remember on my first playthrough I was so scared of the blue fatty there but I found out later he’s really easy

    • @aidenallen5922
      @aidenallen5922 2 роки тому +3

      Me with swinging axes in sens

    • @Fallenstartheone
      @Fallenstartheone 2 роки тому +13

      i wish darksouls 3 wasnt infested with cheaters , i would play it to this day , my best moment of all time was killing 3 people in a single blow as they chased me and i charged up my big fire log wearing full onion armor.

  • @ernietime2229
    @ernietime2229 3 роки тому +732

    "He's probably already done"
    "He's probably playing Silksong by now"
    I mean they're not wrong, you probably could've been for all they knew at the time

    • @zerayah2474
      @zerayah2474 3 роки тому

      Timestamp? I think I missed it

    • @Alexsomnia
      @Alexsomnia 3 роки тому

      @@zerayah2474 1:38

  • @anthonyfaiell3263
    @anthonyfaiell3263 3 роки тому +229

    this was pretty awesome. I like the separate discords idea for sure. I would add that a respawn timer for the hunters I think is important. Once the speedrunner gets to those later bosses the hunters were just spam spawning. There should be a reward in the form of reprieve for the speedrunner if he is able to take out any hunters.

  • @Underpantswher
    @Underpantswher 3 роки тому +33

    Fire whenever the hunters say anything: "i am 4 parallel universes ahead of you."

  • @yawshi822
    @yawshi822 3 роки тому +271

    Its funny how the hunters predict fires moves AFTER he makes them

  • @guilhermegigeck5946
    @guilhermegigeck5946 3 роки тому +2326

    The ending was very underwhelming. Since fire was basically cornered and the hunters have no cooldown on death they can simply throw themselves at Fire, no need to fight well. It turned the thrilling time limit into a boring 10 minute stalemate with a default winner.

    • @parkercote6644
      @parkercote6644 3 роки тому +154

      Agreed

    • @ramirochalar1243
      @ramirochalar1243 3 роки тому +713

      A cooldown on death for the hunters would make it so much better

    • @user-yr5pc4qq4h
      @user-yr5pc4qq4h 3 роки тому +35

      My thoughts exactly

    • @MxHavmir
      @MxHavmir 3 роки тому +275

      I think if the hunters could only respawn from like dirtmouth could work.

    • @pinkworm5348
      @pinkworm5348 3 роки тому +117

      Cd on hunter would be a great thing, he should have defenitly bait them to an other dreamer to not confirm this was the last one

  • @lonelywaffles781
    @lonelywaffles781 3 роки тому +19

    36:22 Bro that looked like a powerful anime entrance, gave me goose bumps lol. That looked sooooo cool to me bro.

  • @azureotter2559
    @azureotter2559 Рік тому +21

    The amount of patience you have shocks me. I was getting mad just watching the uumuu fight and you had to live trough that. Props gg

  • @fr6938
    @fr6938 3 роки тому +350

    Rusty: “his next stop is dream nail”
    Fireb0rn: *i am 4 parallel universe ahead of you*

  • @xann2681
    @xann2681 3 роки тому +3834

    I think there should be a penalty for when a hunter dies, since if they catch you in a choke point, they can just respawn pile on you without effort

    • @gothkurata
      @gothkurata 2 роки тому +203

      yeah it makes it really unfair

    • @kapitankapital6580
      @kapitankapital6580 2 роки тому +274

      Yeah, even if there was just a respawn timer or something it would help to ease the dogpiling and mean if you get stuck in a bottleneck there's still some chance.

    • @dragonitegamer7497
      @dragonitegamer7497 2 роки тому +12

      @Georgian Canis Not entirely sure but there could be some restrictions with how the mod works :p

    • @rafaelmoraes1288
      @rafaelmoraes1288 Рік тому +21

      guys, the ideia is to make this really hard, LIKE REALLY HARD. Any penalty that benefits fireb0rn will make this challenge easier.

    • @Sp44ky
      @Sp44ky Рік тому +120

      @@rafaelmoraes1288 because fighting 4 players while fighting umuu with a weak nail and 2/3 spells is fair.

  • @pineskulltree
    @pineskulltree Рік тому +16

    29:12 most heart wrenching moment of the video

    • @gamingcookiereal
      @gamingcookiereal 10 місяців тому +1

      i thought you said heartwarming 😭😭

  • @deluxeincorporated
    @deluxeincorporated Рік тому +22

    The fact that even with 4 hunters you still got so far is a testament to your skill

  • @ShadowHunter-nh3rl
    @ShadowHunter-nh3rl 3 роки тому +1112

    Personally I feel it's great that you're in the same call, and I'd almost like more interaction. Currently the hunters already have a huge advantage, and giving them a bigger advantage by allowing them a separate call not only turns things further to their favor, but it also makes watching the video less entertaining. But hey that's how I feel about it.

    • @blitz7488
      @blitz7488 3 роки тому +32

      Agreed no need to nerf fire, in fact they should have nerfs

    • @Numberplay
      @Numberplay 3 роки тому +57

      they can dreamgate to bosses in a flash, they have more access than you have at the start and they can guess where you need to go so i feel the current ruleset gives them enough

    • @wocxdid8068
      @wocxdid8068 3 роки тому +1

      But that's forgetting how long he was able to evade them though. And the time he has when he's free and alone are a bit boring too.

    • @anthonyfaiell3263
      @anthonyfaiell3263 3 роки тому +5

      curious how it would make the video less entertaining. The speedrunner never spoke anyways, only using text at the bottom of the screen to communicate with the viewers. The 4 hunters on a separate call would be speaking to each other and that would be the audio that plays in video... since ya know... we don't really need to hear the speedrunner talking to themself.
      .
      yes, having them in separate calls would give a bit of an edge to the hunters (this videos whole purpose is to set a challenge for the speedrunner). But I believe that edge balances out by either adding a respawn timer to the hunters, not allowing hunters into boss arenas, or somehow allowing bosses to target hunters as well.

  • @phnargg
    @phnargg 3 роки тому +956

    This was super entertaining!
    I wonder if the runner would have more of a chance here if the hunters were blocked by boss doors as well. They could still enter the boss room ahead of time and wait, but they’d have to be strategic, because once the runner enters the boss room, the hunters are locked either in or out. They’d have to try and stay alive while in the boss room, knowing if they die, they won’t be able to get back into the boss room until the runner either dies or wins. This could prevent unwinnable situations where the hunters can infinitely respawn and make a boss fight impossible. It’d force them to be strategic/defensive in the boss room over just rushing the runner for body damage.

    • @veggiedragon1000
      @veggiedragon1000 3 роки тому +83

      Diane H. Yeah I think this would be a little more fair

    • @joeroberts472
      @joeroberts472 3 роки тому +44

      This!! I really think this would deal with the bottleneck problem but still let them strategize

    • @gophermanX
      @gophermanX 3 роки тому +25

      This would be a huge improvement and I think is necessary if they want to separate the runner/hunter comms next time.

    • @sambews5679
      @sambews5679 3 роки тому +5

      Dream Gate

    • @gophermanX
      @gophermanX 3 роки тому +11

      @@sambews5679 what about it? Just need all the hunters to agree to the rule, not like they don't all know each other

  • @cawareyoudoin7379
    @cawareyoudoin7379 Рік тому +13

    Yeah, the hunters being able to enter the boss arenas was definitely OP.

  • @skyhijinx
    @skyhijinx 7 місяців тому +6

    Hunters: "He's probably farming Geo for Lantern."
    God Gamer: "What's a Lantern?"

  • @Dragonflier001
    @Dragonflier001 3 роки тому +7372

    I disagree with the separate discord thing. This came super close. If he couldn't hear their strats and try and plan around them, it would way too skewed in their favor.

    • @DannehBoyNz
      @DannehBoyNz 3 роки тому +1060

      Yeah, agreed.
      It's also not like they couldn't use it to their advantage either, by throwing out false info every now and again to try bait him.

    • @ryutipscows9712
      @ryutipscows9712 3 роки тому +440

      And the fact that the 3 dreamers are a necessity they can just camp it, umu wasn kinda impossible

    • @QiPunPun
      @QiPunPun 3 роки тому +28

      FACTS

    • @ohno5559
      @ohno5559 3 роки тому +21

      Having a separate discord is good so they don't have to plan around not saying things they don't want him to know, there are other ways to tune the balance

    • @Jhelil
      @Jhelil 3 роки тому +132

      @@ohno5559 nah it takes too much of the fun out of it

  • @bloodybehelit5356
    @bloodybehelit5356 3 роки тому +263

    Monarch wings skip was insane

  • @truedraigongaming5732
    @truedraigongaming5732 3 роки тому +31

    This was uber fun to watch and I can't wait to explore more of your channel. That said, I think they should only get one life per boss attempt. Like, you start a boss fight and they can only enter that boss fight once per attempt. So you kill 2 and they can't rejoin the fight unless you have to attempt the boss again. I'm just trying to add clarity.

  • @JustMe-mr1pr
    @JustMe-mr1pr 3 роки тому +6

    29:11 I felt bad for the little guy, he fully expected he'd be freed

  • @MaxHaydenChiz
    @MaxHaydenChiz 3 роки тому +262

    The greatest achievement here is that fireb0rn is inventing new types of content and solving the drought while we wait for Silksong. Good job.

    • @mptyalln
      @mptyalln 11 місяців тому +2

      for 2 years now

  • @squishish
    @squishish 3 роки тому +3171

    I feel like hunters should definitely be barred from boss fights when the doors are closed. It's just kind of annoying to watch oops- They can go in before it starts but once the gate is down they have to wait. OR! They take damage from bosses too, that could be more fun.

    • @trickytreyperfected1482
      @trickytreyperfected1482 3 роки тому +238

      The reason the hunter's can't be damaged by the bosses is because they're playing on a completed save file whereas Fire is not. I also kind of disagree about them not being allowed in the room after the doors are closed but only because of just how good Fire is and how it would mean that he wouldn't even have trouble winning at that point.

    • @squishish
      @squishish 3 роки тому +344

      @@trickytreyperfected1482 Tbh it's just annoying to watch the camping. Smth to prevent that specifically is what i'd like, but given the perimeters you mentioned that doesn't sound possible. Maybe a limit of how many hunters can be in the boss room at once, depending on the boss and the boss's difficulty..? So like for gruz mother, all 3 hunters can go in. But for something like the watcher knights, only one can go in at a time, but the other two can wait outside the door to go in, once the first hunter dies. Or, maybe a cooldown once they die inside of a boss room until they can enter again..?

    • @trickytreyperfected1482
      @trickytreyperfected1482 3 роки тому +113

      @@squishish ooh, yeah I like that last idea. I think one rule that would be cool is if the hunters aren't allowed to bench meaning they have to travel to get back to the fight. If there was a way to disable contact damage for PvP specifically, that would also be good but I don't think that's possible. I do like the idea of limiting the number of hunters for certain fights but I can see where that might get too limiting.

    • @squishish
      @squishish 3 роки тому +54

      @@trickytreyperfected1482 One of the last games, they did remove certain benches for the hunters! so i think that was a good call. :> It certainly seemed to help, but even then sometimes it was a bit much(they had dreamnail and would put it down nearby). It's certainly something to think about, and i think fire is trying to mend that because of the bench idea happening. :> I'm sure a good solution will happen eventually! So that's good. I need to catch up and see if anymore changes got made ^^

    • @PilloTheStar
      @PilloTheStar 3 роки тому +21

      It'd be better if the hunters weren't allowed to use benches.

  • @spy_magicthing8347
    @spy_magicthing8347 2 роки тому +12

    Man, he really went through deepnest without a lantern, Wayward Compass or a map

  • @roniqroniq2235
    @roniqroniq2235 Рік тому +18

    you should do this again but one of the hunters is secretly helping you and the others are trying to find out who it is

  • @vsptylore3639
    @vsptylore3639 3 роки тому +497

    Absolute MVP moment when fire sneaks past rusty right as rusty talks about how fire might sneak past him to get dash

  • @jlfree12
    @jlfree12 3 роки тому +1249

    Separate discord calls go against what make manhunts so good, don't do that.

  • @Eudaletism
    @Eudaletism 3 роки тому +8

    This is like watching an RTS with commentary and a speedrun at the same time. Awesome!

  • @clintelkins9630
    @clintelkins9630 2 роки тому +14

    Watching this guy take on watcher knights so artfully was just stunning, even if he died

  • @parkobo4264
    @parkobo4264 3 роки тому +3455

    It’s not fair the hunters could just keep respawning outside the boss rooms, it should be one and done

    • @mossytime349
      @mossytime349 3 роки тому +595

      I mean yeah the uumuu thing was ridiculous

    • @batturing
      @batturing 3 роки тому +441

      @@mossytime349 even the soul master fight felt unfair. and the second attempt at watcher knights was ridiculous. PLUS camping the bench

    • @witherwolf3316
      @witherwolf3316 2 роки тому +122

      @@aidenwhiting5131 Maybe there's a highlight on which sector he's in but they have to respawn at Dirtmouth

    • @nehemiastoro3406
      @nehemiastoro3406 2 роки тому +597

      I feel like the only way to balance this is to allow the Hunter to be hit by the bosses, that way everyone is multitasking, not just fireb0rn

    • @nickcrowell6741
      @nickcrowell6741 2 роки тому +28

      @@witherwolf3316 yes agreed

  • @egcart4957
    @egcart4957 3 роки тому +35

    “B*stards probably playing silksong by now”
    Most underrated joke of the century

  • @raisgamesnz325
    @raisgamesnz325 10 місяців тому +5

    That was so intense! The areas where he went without the lantern were insane. I love how many times they were like, he's collecting mask shards!

  • @connorhoffman335
    @connorhoffman335 3 роки тому +925

    "He absolutely has to do the dreamers"
    *1 pantheon of hallownest later*
    "Oh."

    • @Verisity
      @Verisity 2 роки тому +27

      @Family Shands the godhome any% nmg wr is 2hr 44m and 45s so it won’t work

    • @ShadraRune
      @ShadraRune 2 роки тому +3

      @@Verisity but in some of the other runs they didn’t have a time limit, maybe have a run dedicated to godholm, and he does normal ending instead.

    • @ILiekFishes
      @ILiekFishes 2 роки тому +3

      @Family Shands flower isn't needed for godhome ending, it just alters the result.

  • @MylaPandora986
    @MylaPandora986 3 роки тому +766

    It's so hard to watch for beginners like me who spent 10 hours on the game just for a dash.

    • @shuckle9529
      @shuckle9529 3 роки тому +81

      its with every game, not only hollow knight, just watch speedrun of any video game you like and you will feel sad

    • @jasmijn-1419
      @jasmijn-1419 3 роки тому +26

      You should take your time on your first file though

    • @loser_lenny4506
      @loser_lenny4506 3 роки тому +14

      @@jasmijn-1419 please i have like 36 hours on my game and 4 of them have been spent on those knights lmao

    • @charliefranklin8523
      @charliefranklin8523 3 роки тому +5

      @@shuckle9529 tbh the minecraft speedrun is awesome to watch without feeling sad, except for the one-cycle. And magma ravine portals.

    • @ninatheinkling5748
      @ninatheinkling5748 3 роки тому +1

      Heh it took me 80 hours to get the true ending

  • @Evan.Anderson.Sk8
    @Evan.Anderson.Sk8 9 місяців тому

    yo this was so sick fireborn great video I love what you're doing please make many more of these :)

  • @josiahrosado3106
    @josiahrosado3106 2 роки тому +1

    This is my first video I'm seeing from you and I'm subscribing immediately, absolute god tier work

  • @calebmurray4438
    @calebmurray4438 3 роки тому +205

    Just so you know you blew my mind when you opened the shortcut between Cornifer/the bench and the soul sanctum

    • @Bee-rr3ei
      @Bee-rr3ei 3 роки тому +36

      *the*
      *WHAT*

    • @jasmijn-1419
      @jasmijn-1419 3 роки тому +8

      Yeah i wish i had known

    • @calebmurray4438
      @calebmurray4438 3 роки тому +7

      @@Bee-rr3ei my reaction exactly lol

    • @mikuuu2517
      @mikuuu2517 3 роки тому +12

      Same here and I thought I knew everything about this game at that point lol

    • @silksong7277
      @silksong7277 3 роки тому

      saaaameee!

  • @AtleyS
    @AtleyS 2 роки тому

    I assume speedrun races from over a year ago are the reason this is in my recommended algorithm but I'm not complaining. Not sure how long this has been a thing but it's incredibly entertaining and looks like a lot of fun. Thanks for the video fireb0rn!

  • @moramoment3536
    @moramoment3536 2 роки тому +1

    it’s super interesting to watch these types of videos as someone who’s unlocked *most* of the areas in the game but hasn’t gotten very far with items and lore, i just kind of run around, so when there’s items involved i usually don’t know what they are LOL

  • @AzuRemilia
    @AzuRemilia 3 роки тому +116

    Hollow Knight - Speedrunner with a Gun vs. 4 Hunters

  • @zipzop8325
    @zipzop8325 3 роки тому +733

    1. They should not be able to enter boss rooms after death inside
    2.respawn at the second closest bench
    3.hunters lose a random item when they die x amount of times

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +21

      Ah yes, with those changes, it becomes practically, let's watch the speedrunner absolutely destroy everyone. Hell, with those restrictions, I could beat the hunters. Do you understand how skewed that is in favor of the speedrunner?

    • @gigachad7729
      @gigachad7729 2 роки тому +15

      @@lair9792 I would lose 3 and 2 and make 1 after 3 to 5 deaths

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +1

      @@gigachad7729 that could work

    • @gigachad7729
      @gigachad7729 2 роки тому +18

      @@lair9792 it would give the hunters a chance while not completely dooming the speed runner during important bosses

    • @deathhimself1427
      @deathhimself1427 2 роки тому +15

      I like the first rule but not the other two

  • @SashedPotato
    @SashedPotato 8 місяців тому +1

    It's insane how small this makes the map feel, seeing everyone just know it by heart and dashing through at high speed

  • @Nerdynessocity
    @Nerdynessocity 2 роки тому +1

    This had me stupidly giddy with excitement! I hope you do more things like this!

  • @shrugs3233
    @shrugs3233 3 роки тому +446

    ok, i have an idea: so what if when the timer ran out of time you entered overtime, where the runner is now limited to this only life. This way, they could go on but the stakes would be very high. Just think it would pretty cool!

    • @littleduck3686
      @littleduck3686 3 роки тому +21

      There is so much potential to improve this

    • @Dr.Death8520
      @Dr.Death8520 3 роки тому +16

      I feel like it wouldn't change much since the in this run he lost by getting stuck at a bottleneck

    • @lilithriou4536
      @lilithriou4536 3 роки тому +2

      I 3rd this.

    • @sanstheskeleton679
      @sanstheskeleton679 3 роки тому +2

      So the hunters go on a wild goose chase against him just to finish the video, or the hunters just sit at the same spot which makes the video boring at the end

    • @G1MM1CK_W_and_M
      @G1MM1CK_W_and_M 3 роки тому

      I 4th this

  • @toast9219
    @toast9219 3 роки тому +179

    Actually, it was impossible for you to win because in order to truly beat the game you must speak to elderbug

  • @thecursedgamer2707
    @thecursedgamer2707 14 днів тому

    seeing your friends be super nice to you warms my heart

  • @jjmastera6111
    @jjmastera6111 2 роки тому +4

    I recently bought Hollow Knight and have only put about 5-10 hours into the game so far and seeing runs like this is just baffling the amount of skill and precision it takes to do some of these skips is just mind boggling great run

  • @Daft69Punk
    @Daft69Punk 3 роки тому +229

    29:11 let’s take a moment and send our regards to that poor grub

  • @Mottenprophet
    @Mottenprophet 3 роки тому +234

    Unpopular opinion: hunters should get started in abyss

    • @Ascended55
      @Ascended55 3 роки тому +4

      Ух ты я нашёл русскоязычника!

    • @HussiAli123
      @HussiAli123 3 роки тому +7

      Makes sense

    • @jerrellnavs3313
      @jerrellnavs3313 3 роки тому +2

      not an unpopular opinion anymore

  • @pandemicaunt6341
    @pandemicaunt6341 2 роки тому +2

    I never played Hollow Knight, but I watched all of your videos. Great work! You say everything in a way that everyone can understand it. Even tho I did not understand like half of this manhunt, it was so entertaining!

  • @teelang1073
    @teelang1073 9 місяців тому

    that was so cool man, loved this video

  • @anddatkat796
    @anddatkat796 3 роки тому +140

    I like that you put text to explain what you're doing and why you're doing it at certain points, it really helps to understand what's going on :)

  • @colingillespie7635
    @colingillespie7635 3 роки тому +216

    The way he handled some of these situations was so impressive. I was so surprised when he almost beat the watcher knights.

  • @staci80
    @staci80 2 роки тому

    Watching you do this was absolutely mesmerising! I can't describe how fascinating it was to watch this, esp compared to my struggle against the game lol

  • @warsmith1294
    @warsmith1294 2 роки тому

    Yooo I got recommended this when the last time I watched hollow knight was months ago, keep up the Man-hunt content

  • @vincenturquhart1370
    @vincenturquhart1370 3 роки тому +259

    I love how the entire time you are just way ahead of were they think you are

  • @kiencancap
    @kiencancap 3 роки тому +80

    I want to see mossbag next time. He's not gonna hunt anyone, nor will he help anyone. He'll just sit in the call and read aloud all the archive's tablets.

  • @videogameboymichael
    @videogameboymichael 4 місяці тому +1

    1:37 Hearing the joke about Fire "already playing Silksong" and then seeing this video is 3 years old is PAINFUL.

  • @sickfrank
    @sickfrank 3 роки тому +1

    I love all your videos so much! Rusty Realya and noob helped me get through the game and you and Templar are the people I show to my friends to show how hard the game is.

  • @vancesirron9170
    @vancesirron9170 3 роки тому +272

    There needs to be some anti camping rule or other restriction to hunters so this isn't so stacked against the player.

    • @corinabanu7556
      @corinabanu7556 3 роки тому +71

      Ngl it's not fun to watch them just throw themselves at him because there's no skill involved at all. Not only is Fire at a massive disadvantage (no upgrades, while their only drawback is a measly 3 health); but they have infinite spawns and stuff.
      I like watching fire because his point of view shows skill, and talent. The others? I'd rather not waste 40 minutes of my life on a suicide montage.
      Gate these guys out of boss fights or one at a time. Otherwise this is just trite.

    • @swordsmancs
      @swordsmancs 3 роки тому +96

      @@corinabanu7556 I saw another comment basically saying that boss gates should block the hunters, so they can enter the fight ahead of time but if they die in the fight they can’t come back in, which sounds like a great idea to me, to cut out the entire “dude can’t win a boss fight and they can just camp one of them to guarantee the win”

    • @LerRhann
      @LerRhann 3 роки тому +28

      Send em to a random bench when they die lol

    • @randomnpc7773
      @randomnpc7773 3 роки тому +19

      I think whenever they die they should be sent back to the bench at Dirtmouth or something like that

    • @llIlIlllII
      @llIlIlllII 3 роки тому +4

      @@randomnpc7773 heck yes. Some kind of restriction

  • @goldenpig541
    @goldenpig541 3 роки тому +377

    He did not talk to elderbug. that's a lose in my eye.

  • @TheEpitath1
    @TheEpitath1 9 місяців тому

    This is the best one out of all the Speedrunner vs Hunters.

  • @mustafaharb5640
    @mustafaharb5640 3 роки тому +2

    I loved every second of this, nice gameplay you had some sick dodges

  • @crixel7942
    @crixel7942 3 роки тому +476

    blocking the hunters from entering mid bossfight is a must.

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +15

      It'd become way too easy for the speedrunner and that's not just fireborn either. With the way it's set up, if there was a bar to the boss fight, it'd become very difficult for the hunters

    • @manuelespinoza6794
      @manuelespinoza6794 2 роки тому +14

      @@lair9792 then maybe limit how many hunters can enter the boss fight.

  • @lagtduckgirl7993
    @lagtduckgirl7993 3 роки тому +148

    I like to think that Quirrel was like
    "What is happening??" Watching 5 vessels fight

  • @missylib8682
    @missylib8682 Рік тому

    It’s crazy watching speedruns of this game. This is so impressive!

  • @hawlkman
    @hawlkman 9 місяців тому

    First time watching something like this, did not know it was a thing. Very entertaining to watch.

  • @TheDarkfire216
    @TheDarkfire216 3 роки тому +693

    “We need to have separate discord calls next time.”
    Proceeds to curb stomp him at the end...
    Nah dawg I think him having the call makes it fair.

    • @gandalphf2026
      @gandalphf2026 3 роки тому +22

      absolutely if they have all the communication and they dont take dmg from bosses thatd be too op

    • @nihili4196
      @nihili4196 3 роки тому +20

      I would argue that they need a bit of a nerf. Last boss part was ridiculous.

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +10

      @@nihili4196 if you nerfed them at bosses, you'd have to buff them everywhere else. It's basically impossible to find someone that knows where everyone is. He hears all the communication. If you nerfed them at bosses, I could probably beat them. This type of thing is a very hard thing to balance.

    • @IAMIKO_
      @IAMIKO_ 2 роки тому

      @@lair9792 no you wouldn’t

    • @lair9792
      @lair9792 2 роки тому +5

      @@IAMIKO_ right, and you know that. You know how good I am at Hollow Knight? I must ask where you got this information. There's a little something I like to live by. The greatest video game players don't stream, the don't publish themselves online, and we'll never know who they are. I'm by no means claiming I'm a God at video games, but I don't think you see the bigger picture. I'm not looking at the views from a fireborn fan boy perspective, I'm looking at it from a realistic perspective. There are many things that make it way too easy for the runner, and there are also parts that make it way too easy on the hunters. This obviously wasn't something intended by the developers, so it also isn't something that is properly balanced either. If you'd like, I could go into lots of detail on how the manhunt wasn't properly balanced. That's of no fault to the people in the video of course, it's just a matter of fact. Those things take time to work the kinks out of. My personal complaint is when you assume you know my level of skill and that's just not possible. I could be the worst player on the earth, or I could be better than fireborn, but that's not the point. My point is you wouldn't know. With my prior comment, I used expressive language to make a point, I didn't mean to cause any misunderstandings. I do apologize, but I also dislike it when people make baseless claims based off of zero evidence.