This is very important. We "love" a person, and that is not happening. We love our past, the good moments we had with that person: memories, photos, ideas, travels... all so beautiful and endless. If the person reacts or acts differently a time, we are totally dislocated, out of place ; we bet all our lives in a standard behaviour, but the person changes, a total surprise to us, we feel we are right, and the other person is crazy or we cannot trust them. We became robots, machines, we expect the same thing every moment, so we lose the beauty of the moment. That´s why people are always smiling at their pasts, they want to revive them- it is safer than the present: you cannot predict nor be prepared for something new. Thanks for the insight.
Just observe the process of attachment, not only one moment, but from the start to the end. You don't need to try not have attachment, just observe whole process.
If we decide to end attachments, we struggle. This struggle in a way represents attachment with detachment. Thus, attachment still exists. Only when we become an observer do we end attachment in true sense.
❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between good attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed? Waiting for your response. ❤🙏🏽 Regards
@@mtalk828good point. According to me, if we are clear about the purpose of following an attachment which doesn't bring any conflict is a path easy to be attached with. It can be as simple as thinking of becoming a better human every day (there are so many ways that you can detach and attach easily without being in vegetable state) another one.. being kind enough and attached to something you really want to do knowingly that how you will come out of those things later on (knowing clear path of root cause and countermeasures at the same time). I thing if we are attached to something which has a much deeper sense that actually adds value to this world is a good attachment with lesser number of disappointments (if separated from) than someone following a materialistic things. My 2 cents.
@@prashantnrasu - ♥️Being attentive to what's here and now (present awareness) as coming from God, is the greatest attachment. Because if you are not attentive, how can you be understanding and effectively love? Righteous action requires pure awareness to do the will of God. It appears to me, Krishnamurti doesn't know God. And that's very unfortunate. It seemed he viewed the present actions and happenings of life as just happenings that comes out from our experiences and other sources. He doesn't believe in an Intelligent Being that is the primary mover of all things and IN all things. So, how can you sustain shunning the evil and sins in life if you have no "Higher Order" to be accountable to? Note, the God who will judge the world based on every deed, word, and thoughts we entertained. So, how I see it - just being an observer of what's now, saying "don't be attached," and then adding we shouldn't be attached to even God as the All-present One, doesn't make any sense to me. That means the wicked have no One to be accountable to. 🤷🏽♂️ Anything goes. Such a view is "spiritually dangerous" in terms of keeping in tune with the moral laws of the universe. You break these laws, there is intense misery and hell. 🙏🏽♥️ Regards From the Ben Noach side
@@mtalk828 There is no such thing as "good attachment." All attachments lead to afflictive states of mind. You can validate, positively assess, or use a person, idea, or memory, etc., as a point of reference for setting your course in life, BUT you should never become attached to them, because, then, your peace of mind is being dependent on external factors. Also, freeing yourself from attachments doesn’t mean you stop being a person of action. Instead, your actions become less reactive and more responsive-more conscious. Attachments breed reactivity, while observation and meditation foster responsiveness.
Lol so true, its the attachment to the image making process which creates the comparison to feel lonely about. Something living, aware and in wonder has no time to fret, worry or fear.
I feel like if the person is not attached and listened to this and realized this, he could easily move on in the future if he ever encounters such attachments. but if a person is already attached & he listens to you, realize what you are saying but still he won't be able to get over it.
Yeah like half people in these comments act like they understand him while it is not at as easy to understand what he's experiencing . There's no Master K, Annie besant or tibetian astral spirits to boost your energy up while he was "groomed" for this.
That's how it is for all of us. These teachings have always been available for us to learn (because afflictive states of mind arise naturally with consciousness in this earthly life). However, we only begin to truly comprehend them when we are ready to open our eyes. For most of our existence, we live with our eyes closed-not because we choose to, but because we need to walk a path before we are ready to see.
I can't end attachment to all things. yes, I am frightened. I would be absolutely nothing, just observing my life pass on, every moment until I die. I want to believe that there is something else, therefore I search for this something in all forms. Human suffering is tremendous
I think he means you can still have things. He's talking about the nature of your relationship with those items. So you can have your nice house, your nice car, but relinquish your psychological attachment to them. Then each day can be joyous. Because you can be surrounded by wonderful things, without fear of loss.
What about somebody being attached to us ? We actually like that also. It is a certain deficiency in us which craves for it and that is the real reason we get into relationships. Nobody gets into relationships for the other person but for himself✨✨
But if somebody is attach to you talk to him and trust me 90% will be angry and release some energy of hate cuz they think you're arrogant or selfish but so sad this is not love at all , that's a possession and self desires to escape from our chaos inwardly , no?
Humans as a whole live in attachment. Human civilization started in relationships which is a series of attachments. We cannot be without attachment. That's not how we are wired . That's not how we are supposed to be. Now modernity has come and people think they can do whatever they want if they just have enough money while selling a part of their soul everyday .
Attachment is related to continuity with the development of relationship to a person thing or idea where a person wants to not have their comfort in the persistence of a relation disturbed
Speaking of attachment JK's work should become attached to/part of any Psychology courses given to students today Personally I find his work equal if not more valuable then the psychological research ever done, simply because his teachings are about what's happening/operating beyond the mind/psych the thinking, the core of our conflicts. J Kristnamurti asks us to step off the tread wheel or come out the rivers flow to view it's flow (content of mind/consciousness) from the river bank (detached free from are conditioned thoughts/state). Attachment is a major issue. I think where he's taking us is to have insight into the difference between healthy attachment free from fear and attachment motivated by fear ending up with no idea of there being such a thing as attachments at all
The wrong notion,brought about by illogical conclusions that completeness and unending happiness are guaranteed through attachment,is the provocation for the mind to divide into illusory images of " I" and "You",and get attached through relationships.That this attachment is between unequal entities,hence exploitative,has not been understood,because no rational thinking has gone into this( divisive) action.This is why entire humanity gets attached through relationships,and wonder why happiness and completeness still eludes them !!!!
We have to learn to concentrate give more focused attention to understand the greater depth of meaning of his words, something we've never learned/done but only superficially learned to do at schools. He gives us the words to think about as free thinkers to do with what we want. He says I'm not your teacher your guru, you are your own teacher your own authority. Think of it how can it be any other way?
Awareness of the attachment is what ends it. But can one be attached to awareness ? If one is aware that they are attached to awareness itself, is that attachment or awareness?
@@NadBirSingh6440- What if you need to stand up for a righteous cause and fight against evil? How can you do so without being attached to a godly goal?
That is thought and will, and in that there could be conflict. He’s saying just observe even as one gets attached. In that observation, one sees the truth and consequences … Automatically, the freedom from attachment takes place, without the determination / idea to not be attached.
When I move to an other place, whatever place, other location, whatever, especially when it is worse...(?) than my previous situation, I carry with me a few items to remind me of me... and of who I am....😄🥴
This is a playful lecture. I like the way that K. teases the audience. It looks like a nice afternoon in Ojai or somewhere like that. The way K's advice strikes me today is that he is not asking us to give up all attachements, only to think about them more holistically, from begining to end. If we live in attachments without a perspective on their lifecycle with us, then, we are going to suffer abrupt emptiness. Anxiety about abrupt emptiness can cause us to hang on tighter to the attachement. Maybe this anxiety is what defines attachment. Failure to understand the many possible trajectories of relationships among people and situations in a holistic way can deepen the negative effects of attachment. BUT! if we understand our attachements as situations that have a beginning and an (perhaps unforeseeable) end; And when we are OK with that -- if we watch the movement of the attachment (as K puts it) -- then we may enjoy or experience what is happening without trying to hang onto it. I don't think that he means that we should end or renounce relationships or situations that we are associated or identified with. I think he is telling us how we can enjoy attachments or situations or experiences more if we accept --without anticipation-- their non-permananence and unknown duration. To me this doesn't mean that we should end or renounce relationships with people and situations which at this time may look like attachments. All of this can continue and wil be much more satisfying if we do not become attached. In any case, Thank You for posting this. K. is such a deep thinker it is pure magic that people went to the trouble of capturing these moments, and that we cn review them so easily.
I’m not sure if anyone has posed this question, but a simple answer would be that God designed this way, assuming u believe in God. So it’s a powerful innate desire and therefore a stupid question to ask, but ! …if not then it is definitely a very intelligent question.
@@triadtriad9848- ❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between godly attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed? Waiting for your response. ❤🙏🏽 Regards
Well of course, why would God create a world where he wouldnt feel attachment? Its the same reason you go see a movie because you want to be attached to it for the time being
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This is very important. We "love" a person, and that is not happening. We love our past, the good moments we had with that person: memories, photos, ideas, travels... all so beautiful and endless. If the person reacts or acts differently a time, we are totally dislocated, out of place ; we bet all our lives in a standard behaviour, but the person changes, a total surprise to us, we feel we are right, and the other person is crazy or we cannot trust them. We became robots, machines, we expect the same thing every moment, so we lose the beauty of the moment. That´s why people are always smiling at their pasts, they want to revive them- it is safer than the present: you cannot predict nor be prepared for something new. Thanks for the insight.
Fear of losing what we are attached to. Fear of losing our mind that is contented with attachment.
Attachment is fear of being alone...
Attachment is certainty you're alone.
rather its the fear of being nothing
Just observe the process of attachment, not only one moment, but from the start to the end.
You don't need to try not have attachment, just observe whole process.
More people need to hear this❤❤❤
That's what the Buddha said twenty five hundred years ago.. in the Bible it says "to be born again" or " the truth shall set you free"
For me is not very clear the connection between the Bible says and and Buddha' words.
If we decide to end attachments, we struggle. This struggle in a way represents attachment with detachment. Thus, attachment still exists.
Only when we become an observer do we end attachment in true sense.
❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between good attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed?
Waiting for your response.
❤🙏🏽 Regards
@@mtalk828good point. According to me, if we are clear about the purpose of following an attachment which doesn't bring any conflict is a path easy to be attached with. It can be as simple as thinking of becoming a better human every day (there are so many ways that you can detach and attach easily without being in vegetable state) another one.. being kind enough and attached to something you really want to do knowingly that how you will come out of those things later on (knowing clear path of root cause and countermeasures at the same time). I thing if we are attached to something which has a much deeper sense that actually adds value to this world is a good attachment with lesser number of disappointments (if separated from) than someone following a materialistic things. My 2 cents.
@@prashantnrasu - ♥️Being attentive to what's here and now (present awareness) as coming from God, is the greatest attachment. Because if you are not attentive, how can you be understanding and effectively love? Righteous action requires pure awareness to do the will of God.
It appears to me, Krishnamurti doesn't know God. And that's very unfortunate. It seemed he viewed the present actions and happenings of life as just happenings that comes out from our experiences and other sources. He doesn't believe in an Intelligent Being that is the primary mover of all things and IN all things.
So, how can you sustain shunning the evil and sins in life if you have no "Higher Order" to be accountable to? Note, the God who will judge the world based on every deed, word, and thoughts we entertained.
So, how I see it - just being an observer of what's now, saying "don't be attached," and then adding we shouldn't be attached to even God as the All-present One, doesn't make any sense to me. That means the wicked have no One to be accountable to. 🤷🏽♂️ Anything goes. Such a view is "spiritually dangerous" in terms of keeping in tune with the moral laws of the universe. You break these laws, there is intense misery and hell.
🙏🏽♥️ Regards
From the Ben Noach side
@@mtalk828 There is no such thing as "good attachment." All attachments lead to afflictive states of mind. You can validate, positively assess, or use a person, idea, or memory, etc., as a point of reference for setting your course in life, BUT you should never become attached to them, because, then, your peace of mind is being dependent on external factors.
Also, freeing yourself from attachments doesn’t mean you stop being a person of action. Instead, your actions become less reactive and more responsive-more conscious. Attachments breed reactivity, while observation and meditation foster responsiveness.
謝謝！
Thank you for your support
Lol so true, its the attachment to the image making process which creates the comparison to feel lonely about. Something living, aware and in wonder has no time to fret, worry or fear.
"the image is far more important than the person"
oh this is just golden!
Honestly…thank you ❤
Thank you! ❤
I feel like if the person is not attached and listened to this and realized this, he could easily move on in the future if he ever encounters such attachments. but if a person is already attached & he listens to you, realize what you are saying but still he won't be able to get over it.
Yeah like half people in these comments act like they understand him while it is not at as easy to understand what he's experiencing . There's no Master K, Annie besant or tibetian astral spirits to boost your energy up while he was "groomed" for this.
That's how it is for all of us. These teachings have always been available for us to learn (because afflictive states of mind arise naturally with consciousness in this earthly life). However, we only begin to truly comprehend them when we are ready to open our eyes. For most of our existence, we live with our eyes closed-not because we choose to, but because we need to walk a path before we are ready to see.
...You see, you're all so frightened, that is the root of it...
True Wisdom!
ENRICHING / ENLIGHTENING / EMPOWERING.......
I can't end attachment to all things. yes, I am frightened. I would be absolutely nothing, just observing my life pass on, every moment until I die. I want to believe that there is something else, therefore I search for this something in all forms. Human suffering is tremendous
I think he means you can still have things. He's talking about the nature of your relationship with those items. So you can have your nice house, your nice car, but relinquish your psychological attachment to them. Then each day can be joyous. Because you can be surrounded by wonderful things, without fear of loss.
Gene seeks immortality, causing fear and attachment.
What about somebody being attached to us ? We actually like that also. It is a certain deficiency in us which craves for it and that is the real reason we get into relationships. Nobody gets into relationships for the other person but for himself✨✨
So true ,people in north america want to engender others to envy them usually for items that
Demonstrate wealth
demonstrate success achieved.
Yes
But if somebody is attach to you talk to him and trust me 90% will be angry and release some energy of hate cuz they think you're arrogant or selfish but so sad this is not love at all , that's a possession and self desires to escape from our chaos inwardly , no?
Humans as a whole live in attachment. Human civilization started in relationships which is a series of attachments. We cannot be without attachment. That's not how we are wired . That's not how we are supposed to be. Now modernity has come and people think they can do whatever they want if they just have enough money while selling a part of their soul everyday .
Enlightening .......
Attachment is related to continuity with the development of relationship to a person thing or idea where a person wants to not have their comfort in the persistence of a relation disturbed
Speaking of attachment JK's work should become attached to/part of any Psychology courses given to students today Personally I find his work equal if not more valuable then the psychological research ever done, simply because his teachings are about what's happening/operating beyond the mind/psych the thinking, the core of our conflicts. J Kristnamurti asks us to step off the tread wheel or come out the rivers flow to view it's flow (content of mind/consciousness) from the river bank (detached free from are conditioned thoughts/state).
Attachment is a major issue. I think where he's taking us is to have insight into the difference between healthy attachment free from fear and attachment motivated by fear ending up with no idea of there being such a thing as attachments at all
Attachment is also emended in time or in other words time breeds attachment which is part of the structure of ego
I can’t explain the greatness of this lesson, from one of the greatest human beings that ever lived.😮
If you play with something or someone and receive joy fun,happiness for a time habbit becomes attachment
The wrong notion,brought about by illogical conclusions that completeness and unending happiness are guaranteed through attachment,is the provocation for the mind to divide into illusory images of " I" and "You",and get attached through relationships.That this attachment is between unequal entities,hence exploitative,has not been understood,because no rational thinking has gone into this( divisive) action.This is why entire humanity gets attached through relationships,and wonder why happiness and completeness still eludes them !!!!
We have to learn to concentrate give more focused attention to understand the greater depth of meaning of his words, something we've never learned/done but only superficially learned to do at schools. He gives us the words to think about as free thinkers to do with what we want. He says I'm not your teacher your guru, you are your own teacher your own authority. Think of it how can it be any other way?
🙏🏽🙏🏽 Thank U for sharing
🙏❤️🌏🕊
To be completely unattached... to external objects , our body, mind or intellect.. or the panchakoshas... isnt it possible only for a Jivanmuktha ? 🙏🙏
❤
Awareness of the attachment is what ends it. But can one be attached to awareness ? If one is aware that they are attached to awareness itself, is that attachment or awareness?
When you are aware , there is neither the thought of attachment nor the thought of self. There is complete silence.
No space for another word.
I will never EVER get attached. Or is this an attachment in itself?
Delusional
There's no attachment at all if you find out Itself. If there's attachment, there's ego and a illusion of Itself.
@@NadBirSingh6440- What if you need to stand up for a righteous cause and fight against evil? How can you do so without being attached to a godly goal?
That is thought and will, and in that there could be conflict.
He’s saying just observe even as one gets attached. In that observation, one sees the truth and consequences …
Automatically, the freedom from attachment takes place, without the determination / idea to not be attached.
❤🙏🏻🪷💕🪷🙏🏻❤
When I move to an other place, whatever place, other location, whatever, especially when it is worse...(?) than my previous situation, I carry with me a few items to remind me of me... and of who I am....😄🥴
That is identifications with a geographical area, or even objects. It's a behavior to nurture the ego: me, mine, my story.
Yes, of course. My story....
Who am I? without my story?...
@@elenipapa2529 Free
@@elenipapa2529 youre no one brother you re just here to know who you really are ! Just enjoy your life everyday
🙏🙏🙏
I want to understand what is attachment, than i follow K words, but unfortunately i attach to K words. Why?
This is a playful lecture. I like the way that K. teases the audience. It looks like a nice afternoon in Ojai or somewhere like that. The way K's advice strikes me today is that he is not asking us to give up all attachements, only to think about them more holistically, from begining to end. If we live in attachments without a perspective on their lifecycle with us, then, we are going to suffer abrupt emptiness. Anxiety about abrupt emptiness can cause us to hang on tighter to the attachement. Maybe this anxiety is what defines attachment.
Failure to understand the many possible trajectories of relationships among people and situations in a holistic way can deepen the negative effects of attachment. BUT! if we understand our attachements as situations that have a beginning and an (perhaps unforeseeable) end; And when we are OK with that -- if we watch the movement of the attachment (as K puts it) -- then we may enjoy or experience what is happening without trying to hang onto it. I don't think that he means that we should end or renounce relationships or situations that we are associated or identified with. I think he is telling us how we can enjoy attachments or situations or experiences more if we accept --without anticipation-- their non-permananence and unknown duration. To me this doesn't mean that we should end or renounce relationships with people and situations which at this time may look like attachments. All of this can continue and wil be much more satisfying if we do not become attached.
In any case, Thank You for posting this. K. is such a deep thinker it is pure magic that people went to the trouble of capturing these moments, and that we cn review them so easily.
Yes it is actuality to JK, but to me an idea.
That's why nobody listens to you
😮
I just don’t understand
Your talks I wish I could 😢
Yeah, not being attached will lead to being a narcissist zombie.
No, it can lead to unconditional love. A narcissist has many attachments, as it is all about him/her.
Too bad that the video ended in the middle without any conclusion. No point of putting unfinished videos, like a teaser. Frustrating
The description shows you where the excerpt is from. Just enter that into the search box. If that is not too exhausting for you.
@@triadtriad9848 don't even have to search. The link is literally there.
On a lighter note, you are attached to the conclusion 😅
Listen to 100 podcasts J kristnamurti Urgency of change, this alone will keep anyone busy for the rest of their life.
I’m not sure if anyone has posed this question, but a simple answer would be that God designed this way, assuming u believe in God. So it’s a powerful innate desire and therefore a stupid question to ask, but ! …if not then it is definitely a very intelligent question.
There is no place for imagining an image of the answer as a belief.
@@triadtriad9848- ❤And my dear, when one becomes an impartial observer, does he end being a person of action? How is righteousness accomplished? Some attachments are necessary to respond to because they are backed by natural valid reasons. Evil inclinations in us and oppositions requires righteous actions. So, what is the difference between godly attachment and bad attachment? And if being freed from attachment requires observation, does that mean constant observation towards a lazy vegetable state whereby no actions are performed?
Waiting for your response.
❤🙏🏽 Regards
Well of course, why would God create a world where he wouldnt feel attachment? Its the same reason you go see a movie because you want to be attached to it for the time being
And so, when the listener is listening to the question, the real question is which of the two is the correct answer ? Hmm..
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